While it's true there are a lot of idiots in charge at the USPS, there are also a lot of good people in amongst the chaos. I've been fortunate enough to work with several of these highly organized, intelligent, and very caring people with great senses of humor that would do almost anything for someone in trouble.
It's not fair to stereotype mail carriers as uneducated drunkards who don't deserve the money they make. Believe me.. they do.
Try driving to work one day in the middle of a blizzard.
jenlans, I have a college degree and I deliver mail by foot, snow or rain or hell fire from above! You too will get your mail everyday. Now go fuck yourself!
jenlans, you wouldnt be able to handle the elements, true you don't need any college education, but the weather is education enough, I'd like to see your bitch ass get out there in -20 degree weather and do what we do. Try it, then open your dumb ass snaggle toothed mouth, your opinions are moronic.
Most of the people that work as carriers are uneducated and make decent money for someone that has no backround in anything. They still have no money though bc they spend on booze, give to the church and other charities, kids who are probably not their's, and rims. I think it's great though bc I'll always know that some 30 to 50 yr old will be delivering my mail in a responsible way who probably knocked his girlfriend up in highschool instead of some teenager who doesent care about his job. .
Don't get discouraged, the post office takes foreverrr to get you in the building but once you are it is a great job! I'm going for my test friday to be a rural carrier, my husband is already a city carrier. He goes through a lot of bull in the office but at the end of the day it's good pay great benefits etc! and it's better then sitting behind a desk!!!!
You have to score at least 70% to get on the roster. If you go for an interview, you might not get hired if your score was below someone else butttt often times the person that gets the job washes out before they even get started due to lies on the aps about driving record or whatever.
as a person who works for the PO I have to say that you are talking out your ass. There is a test if you pass it you get hired if you don't you wont just that simple. in fact there are more whites working for the company. I guess it depends on where you live as to what you will see. It's a shame that someone would try to claim reverse discrimination because they couldn't get hired. SMH its just sad.
Apparently they weren't more qualified if they didn't score higher than the others on their test. The higher the test score you make the higher you are in the register you doofus. Thats why the U.S Postal Service is so diverse because they don't look at your skin color, they look at your score. Enough said.
No White people can score a 100 and they will still hire a black who makes a 70 first. Its not diverse they have too many blacks working there assface
the postal service hires people with a score with at least a 70, then they is a interview, background check, a physical and drug screening....that is the criteria to be hired in
Hank, I don't know where you got some of your info. I got 10 years in at the post offce currently make $52203/year. No layoff, 4 weeks annual leave a year, work close enough to home i go there for lunch and to use the toilet.
Most people would love to have these kind of benefits!
STOP transferring and get some senority so they will leave you alone!
Good for you but most dont work like that. In Pittsburgh, AFTER ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS - most city carriers are STILL fucked outta an hour or more of OT EVERYDAY for pivoting. Those that grind it out by the manual or simply take the time are a few among many. There are PTF's on over a quarter of routes in here and they run there asses off. Many stations have been inspected and evaluated three times in as many years and yet 7 MORE 204'B'S HAVE POPPED UP IN ONE MAIN OFFICE. The end is near
I've been a city carrier for almost 8 years now. It took me 3 years, 2 months to make regular. With all the transitional employees that they hire and with FSS coming in the spring of 2008, the exam probally won't be coming up anytime soon. For those of you who don't know, FSS is the seqencing of the flat mail(magazines,catalogs etc.)Letter carriers will no longer case these in the morning or not much at all. This means more street time and less office time. Which means less routes and less jobs!
don't you people make about 50,000 a year? it's hilarious because with all of your complaining, i bet you won't quit the post office so someone else can make good money and appreciate that job that you cry about and say is so bad.
Wow....very ignorant statement made from someone that knows nothing about what goes on at the post office...You prob. think we just drive a truck all day, and finish the route whenever we want and go home...Not the case buddy...with the bullshit we deal with, we should earn 100,000...but you know what, I dont complain, because there are people out there without jobs!!
Very well said. But I have to disagree with your last comment. There are plenty of jobs out there. However, most people are unwilling to provide the amount of work some jobs require!! Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for my life and my job. But given the chance to start again, I wouldn't work for the post office. I worked in a blast furnace at a steel
mill before I got on with the P.O. At the time, it was a step up. Now, I'm not so sure... My chances of getting lung cancer have decreased!?!?
I had to laugh at this comment (I'm sure I'm not alone). People like this are usually the first ones to quit. They see the mailman in movies; it's a nice day, he's only carrying a handful of leters, no big deal!! Jeez, there isn't enough space to write here. Tell you what. Read 'Post Office', by Charles Bukowski. That will give you some insight on what it was like being a postal employee in the sixties. And then, multiply his experience
BTW, only the most senior employees top out, monetarily. And it's not 50,000!!
Regardless of the pay, you have to consider what the average 55 year old goes through for that pay. He's soaking wet, burning hot, or freezing cold, he's chased by dogs, trying to calm irrate customers on drugs looking for a check from so-and-so, all the while coping with a snot-nosed 25 year old manager, that has never carried a piece of mail in his life, telling him/her; you're not working hard enough!?!?
Of course, it's so easy for anyone to pick up and relocate!! How would you feel if the shoes were on your feet? It's a little different situation when you think about it that way, isn't it? Perhaps, you're feeling overworked because you're trying to cram those pivots into your 8 hour day. Well, let me tell you something, honey. The more you run, the more work you're going to get! And the more you run, the less emphasis is put on covering those vacant routes.
Why would the P.O. hire a full time employee to do a job that's being covered by the exsisting employees? I don't know how big your route is, but I've worked in enough offices to know that; most routes are every bit, if not more, than 8 hours - IF you're following your M-39 completely, the way THEY want you to do the job. You shouldn't have any down time. It sounds like you're letting them create your down time with DOIS reports and intimidation tactics.
I am a transfer, several times over. I have been evaluated more times than any other postal employee, I know of. There is always question why I can't carry a pivot in addition to my route. Every time they pull that crap, I offer them to ride with me. I haven't carried a pivot in a very, very long time!! I offer the postal service a fair days work, for a fair day's pay! Perhaps, you need to read your, Carriers Duties and Responsibilities handbook again!! That is what saves jobs!!
A few good excuses and loop holes for a few good pay cuts and new creative ways to get you to tote more mail for less money than you made in 2000 and lastly a self absorbed whip cracking bonus counting management team and you too can become a pack mule.
It is not always an easy job, nor is it always a bad job--though it IS hard work, with often long hours. I've been doing this job since January '04 (age 24), and just made regular this past June ('07). I know some folks who waited more than six years for that opportunity, others who only waited a few months. I worked well over 40 hours a week for most of my time as a PTF, with a few weeks of 14 days straight through (gotta love Express Mail Sundays!). But the benefits are there as well.
If you enjoy having ambitious, self-absorbed managers treating you like a pack animal, this job is for you. You can never, ever go fast enough for these bastards.
I started at 22yrs old. Came from the military. I love it! Pay is Ok (dog,weather,customers)I wouldn't trade it for no other. Buy stamps people, keep me employed
I have no idea about how to apply for the job. We just got 4 new carriers in Las Cruces NM and I don't even know how they did it! I'm told that you have to go to usps dot com and check for when they are accepting tests.
go to the post office and ask a clerk when the next postal exam is. they can find out. Never an opening because nobody ever quits..around here anyway. I just got in after 6 years of waiting. Thats 3 tests
Don't they only give tests if there are openings? Can i go to usps website and apply or do you have to ask the clerk when the test is. I took the rural carrier associate exam and got an interview but they haven't called me yet. Its been over a month. Should just take the rural 460 exam again?
no, they give the test regardless. don't know about the website. you may have to walk a lot more as a city carrier but the pay difference is worth it so I would suggest going for city. So long as you score an 80+ on your exam you have the chance of being called in for interviews.
When you fill out the job history part, do you have to write down every single place that you worked? Can they find out where your worked even if you don't write it down? There was a couple of jobs I had where I quit within a week.
Don't know for sure Stimey105. Try either way that makes you feel the most honest. You can go over reasons for leaving at the interview. I'll warn you. As a PTF carrier you will have no life but the money is good. I go in at 7:30am and come home at 6:30pm. 1500 take home for 2 weeks
I'm studying to take the 473 in 2 weeks. I thought city carriers finish work around 3 or 4pm. Do you know and talk to the city carriers at your office? Is city carrier good for introvert type people? I want to do this because I hate jobs where you sit at the office for 8 hours. I like to work outside and move place to place.
City carrier starts out as Part Time. No choice in the matter in which you have to work when they say you work. Don't let the part time part fool you though. It's not part time. Once you make regular you can work to just 4, or once you get done with your route you go home but not at Part time.
As for being an introvert. You will be perfect so long as you can get the work done in time. Word of advice too. Your Supervisor is NOT your friend. Listen to the carriers if you get in. Do what the Super tells you to do but they are not working in your best interest.
Not exactly sure what that means, so I guess NO lol!! I guess you mean, if Im a vet and received extra points on my exam? If so, the answer is still NO lol!!
I was hired 4 years ago at the age of 21. 25 now and ITs a good job but since im still young im alwasy looking for something different because this job can really be a stressful pain in the ass. good luck.
You have to work your way up to City Carrier from a PTF position. Its a seniority issue. Just like the guy in the office thats been there the longest will have the sweetest route. Its just the post office way. When/if a carrier retires or quits is when you have the chance to put in for a permanent position IF you are the top ranking PTF in the office. Or if the top (seniority again) PTF doesnt want to go regular (idiot if he doesnt) then the next in line puts in for it if he/she wants it
While it's true there are a lot of idiots in charge at the USPS, there are also a lot of good people in amongst the chaos. I've been fortunate enough to work with several of these highly organized, intelligent, and very caring people with great senses of humor that would do almost anything for someone in trouble.
It's not fair to stereotype mail carriers as uneducated drunkards who don't deserve the money they make. Believe me.. they do.
Try driving to work one day in the middle of a blizzard.
minion734 1 year ago 2
Why the hell would anyone want to work here? The USPS is a piece of shit, and so are the supervisors. Fuck Them.
Russ0257821 1 year ago
jenlans, I have a college degree and I deliver mail by foot, snow or rain or hell fire from above! You too will get your mail everyday. Now go fuck yourself!
thewidowsson1 1 year ago
jenlans, you wouldnt be able to handle the elements, true you don't need any college education, but the weather is education enough, I'd like to see your bitch ass get out there in -20 degree weather and do what we do. Try it, then open your dumb ass snaggle toothed mouth, your opinions are moronic.
PetrifiedFungus 1 year ago
Most of the people that work as carriers are uneducated and make decent money for someone that has no backround in anything. They still have no money though bc they spend on booze, give to the church and other charities, kids who are probably not their's, and rims. I think it's great though bc I'll always know that some 30 to 50 yr old will be delivering my mail in a responsible way who probably knocked his girlfriend up in highschool instead of some teenager who doesent care about his job. .
jenlans 1 year ago
30 $ an hour
cmbatwnded 2 years ago
hmm the rural mail carrier i see who delivers mail doesnt wear that uniform, he just wears his own clothes
quest8899 2 years ago
Don't get discouraged, the post office takes foreverrr to get you in the building but once you are it is a great job! I'm going for my test friday to be a rural carrier, my husband is already a city carrier. He goes through a lot of bull in the office but at the end of the day it's good pay great benefits etc! and it's better then sitting behind a desk!!!!
usastillstrong4me 2 years ago
You have to score at least 70% to get on the roster. If you go for an interview, you might not get hired if your score was below someone else butttt often times the person that gets the job washes out before they even get started due to lies on the aps about driving record or whatever.
usastillstrong4me 2 years ago
as a person who works for the PO I have to say that you are talking out your ass. There is a test if you pass it you get hired if you don't you wont just that simple. in fact there are more whites working for the company. I guess it depends on where you live as to what you will see. It's a shame that someone would try to claim reverse discrimination because they couldn't get hired. SMH its just sad.
leslady64 2 years ago
How come the post office hires so many black people??
CelestialWoodway 3 years ago
Why does it matter who they hire as long as they do the job?
lbkloco 3 years ago
It is discrimination against more qualified white people.
CelestialWoodway 3 years ago
Apparently they weren't more qualified if they didn't score higher than the others on their test. The higher the test score you make the higher you are in the register you doofus. Thats why the U.S Postal Service is so diverse because they don't look at your skin color, they look at your score. Enough said.
lbkloco 3 years ago
No White people can score a 100 and they will still hire a black who makes a 70 first. Its not diverse they have too many blacks working there assface
CelestialWoodway 2 years ago
I guess if you dont like it, you can write to the postmaster general. Have fun and good luck. HA HA.
lbkloco 2 years ago
I don't want to work this shitty job that bad
CelestialWoodway 2 years ago
Then dont bitch about it then!
lbkloco 2 years ago
the postal service hires people with a score with at least a 70, then they is a interview, background check, a physical and drug screening....that is the criteria to be hired in
TheLonewolf313 2 years ago
yea thats true stay in 1 place and u will get senority i been t-6 for 6 years everytime u transfer u lose time stupid
KandL201 3 years ago
Hank, I don't know where you got some of your info. I got 10 years in at the post offce currently make $52203/year. No layoff, 4 weeks annual leave a year, work close enough to home i go there for lunch and to use the toilet.
Most people would love to have these kind of benefits!
STOP transferring and get some senority so they will leave you alone!
MikeS91712 3 years ago
Good for you but most dont work like that. In Pittsburgh, AFTER ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS - most city carriers are STILL fucked outta an hour or more of OT EVERYDAY for pivoting. Those that grind it out by the manual or simply take the time are a few among many. There are PTF's on over a quarter of routes in here and they run there asses off. Many stations have been inspected and evaluated three times in as many years and yet 7 MORE 204'B'S HAVE POPPED UP IN ONE MAIN OFFICE. The end is near
DarthFurious 3 years ago
No wonder they go insane...
TheOriginalOwnage 3 years ago
Yea ending saturday delivery would cut out the need for floaters. They better get a clue and try and get a route b4 that happens.
lovablelibra 3 years ago
sorry, 2009 the flats will be sequenced.
peewee2627 3 years ago
I've been a city carrier for almost 8 years now. It took me 3 years, 2 months to make regular. With all the transitional employees that they hire and with FSS coming in the spring of 2008, the exam probally won't be coming up anytime soon. For those of you who don't know, FSS is the seqencing of the flat mail(magazines,catalogs etc.)Letter carriers will no longer case these in the morning or not much at all. This means more street time and less office time. Which means less routes and less jobs!
peewee2627 3 years ago
Spring 2008? did you mean Spring 2009...I have yet to hear of a set date
safboogie83 3 years ago
don't you people make about 50,000 a year? it's hilarious because with all of your complaining, i bet you won't quit the post office so someone else can make good money and appreciate that job that you cry about and say is so bad.
rmitch23 3 years ago
Wow....very ignorant statement made from someone that knows nothing about what goes on at the post office...You prob. think we just drive a truck all day, and finish the route whenever we want and go home...Not the case buddy...with the bullshit we deal with, we should earn 100,000...but you know what, I dont complain, because there are people out there without jobs!!
safboogie83 3 years ago
Very well said. But I have to disagree with your last comment. There are plenty of jobs out there. However, most people are unwilling to provide the amount of work some jobs require!! Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for my life and my job. But given the chance to start again, I wouldn't work for the post office. I worked in a blast furnace at a steel
mill before I got on with the P.O. At the time, it was a step up. Now, I'm not so sure... My chances of getting lung cancer have decreased!?!?
hanktwofan 3 years ago
I had to laugh at this comment (I'm sure I'm not alone). People like this are usually the first ones to quit. They see the mailman in movies; it's a nice day, he's only carrying a handful of leters, no big deal!! Jeez, there isn't enough space to write here. Tell you what. Read 'Post Office', by Charles Bukowski. That will give you some insight on what it was like being a postal employee in the sixties. And then, multiply his experience
by 10!!
hanktwofan 3 years ago
BTW, only the most senior employees top out, monetarily. And it's not 50,000!!
Regardless of the pay, you have to consider what the average 55 year old goes through for that pay. He's soaking wet, burning hot, or freezing cold, he's chased by dogs, trying to calm irrate customers on drugs looking for a check from so-and-so, all the while coping with a snot-nosed 25 year old manager, that has never carried a piece of mail in his life, telling him/her; you're not working hard enough!?!?
hanktwofan 3 years ago
BOO HOO
CelestialWoodway 2 years ago
Hmmmmm a colege recruiter video. yea just what i want./ get a degree and work for dopey managers
daeel97 3 years ago
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nenebobb 3 years ago
Ending saturday delivery would eliminate 35,000 T-6 positions across the country. Any more ideas on saving jobs??
hanktwofan 3 years ago
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nenebobb 3 years ago
Of course, it's so easy for anyone to pick up and relocate!! How would you feel if the shoes were on your feet? It's a little different situation when you think about it that way, isn't it? Perhaps, you're feeling overworked because you're trying to cram those pivots into your 8 hour day. Well, let me tell you something, honey. The more you run, the more work you're going to get! And the more you run, the less emphasis is put on covering those vacant routes.
hanktwofan 3 years ago
Why would the P.O. hire a full time employee to do a job that's being covered by the exsisting employees? I don't know how big your route is, but I've worked in enough offices to know that; most routes are every bit, if not more, than 8 hours - IF you're following your M-39 completely, the way THEY want you to do the job. You shouldn't have any down time. It sounds like you're letting them create your down time with DOIS reports and intimidation tactics.
hanktwofan 3 years ago
I am a transfer, several times over. I have been evaluated more times than any other postal employee, I know of. There is always question why I can't carry a pivot in addition to my route. Every time they pull that crap, I offer them to ride with me. I haven't carried a pivot in a very, very long time!! I offer the postal service a fair days work, for a fair day's pay! Perhaps, you need to read your, Carriers Duties and Responsibilities handbook again!! That is what saves jobs!!
hanktwofan 3 years ago
A few good excuses and loop holes for a few good pay cuts and new creative ways to get you to tote more mail for less money than you made in 2000 and lastly a self absorbed whip cracking bonus counting management team and you too can become a pack mule.
LilWonderDucky 4 years ago
It is not always an easy job, nor is it always a bad job--though it IS hard work, with often long hours. I've been doing this job since January '04 (age 24), and just made regular this past June ('07). I know some folks who waited more than six years for that opportunity, others who only waited a few months. I worked well over 40 hours a week for most of my time as a PTF, with a few weeks of 14 days straight through (gotta love Express Mail Sundays!). But the benefits are there as well.
corvusalatus 4 years ago
If you enjoy having ambitious, self-absorbed managers treating you like a pack animal, this job is for you. You can never, ever go fast enough for these bastards.
Haruspexio 4 years ago
you aint never lied!!!
safboogie83 4 years ago
LOL!! when i was a ptf i used to run routes out like a f-in moron. Now im regular. Whole new world.
ceaserballs 3 years ago
I started at 22yrs old. Came from the military. I love it! Pay is Ok (dog,weather,customers)I wouldn't trade it for no other. Buy stamps people, keep me employed
gonepostal2007 4 years ago
Worst fucking job I've ever had. It pays but you pay back. Fuck that - go to school.
DarthFurious 4 years ago
lol true..you def. pay back. GO TO SCHOOL!
ceaserballs 3 years ago
I have no idea about how to apply for the job. We just got 4 new carriers in Las Cruces NM and I don't even know how they did it! I'm told that you have to go to usps dot com and check for when they are accepting tests.
TheBoxingGuru 4 years ago
It's harder than it looks!
TheBoxingGuru 4 years ago
That's for sure
Scottishmindset 4 years ago
How come there is never any openings for city carriers? How do you apply for city carrier?
stimey105 4 years ago
go to the post office and ask a clerk when the next postal exam is. they can find out. Never an opening because nobody ever quits..around here anyway. I just got in after 6 years of waiting. Thats 3 tests
dargno 4 years ago
Don't they only give tests if there are openings? Can i go to usps website and apply or do you have to ask the clerk when the test is. I took the rural carrier associate exam and got an interview but they haven't called me yet. Its been over a month. Should just take the rural 460 exam again?
stimey105 4 years ago
no, they give the test regardless. don't know about the website. you may have to walk a lot more as a city carrier but the pay difference is worth it so I would suggest going for city. So long as you score an 80+ on your exam you have the chance of being called in for interviews.
dargno 4 years ago
They don't seem to hire young people though. I'm 23.
stimey105 4 years ago
Youngest in our office is 26. I'm 29. It could happen! :)
dargno 4 years ago
When you fill out the job history part, do you have to write down every single place that you worked? Can they find out where your worked even if you don't write it down? There was a couple of jobs I had where I quit within a week.
stimey105 4 years ago
Don't know for sure Stimey105. Try either way that makes you feel the most honest. You can go over reasons for leaving at the interview. I'll warn you. As a PTF carrier you will have no life but the money is good. I go in at 7:30am and come home at 6:30pm. 1500 take home for 2 weeks
dargno 4 years ago
I'm studying to take the 473 in 2 weeks. I thought city carriers finish work around 3 or 4pm. Do you know and talk to the city carriers at your office? Is city carrier good for introvert type people? I want to do this because I hate jobs where you sit at the office for 8 hours. I like to work outside and move place to place.
stimey105 4 years ago
City carrier starts out as Part Time. No choice in the matter in which you have to work when they say you work. Don't let the part time part fool you though. It's not part time. Once you make regular you can work to just 4, or once you get done with your route you go home but not at Part time.
dargno 4 years ago
As for being an introvert. You will be perfect so long as you can get the work done in time. Word of advice too. Your Supervisor is NOT your friend. Listen to the carriers if you get in. Do what the Super tells you to do but they are not working in your best interest.
dargno 4 years ago
that is the definate truth!!!
safboogie83 4 years ago
Im 24, started at 23... got an 83 on the exam and was hired within two weeks of taking the test!!
safboogie83 4 years ago
are you a 10 point vet?
flavadavis 3 years ago
Not exactly sure what that means, so I guess NO lol!! I guess you mean, if Im a vet and received extra points on my exam? If so, the answer is still NO lol!!
safboogie83 3 years ago
I was hired 4 years ago at the age of 21. 25 now and ITs a good job but since im still young im alwasy looking for something different because this job can really be a stressful pain in the ass. good luck.
ceaserballs 3 years ago
How come there is never any openings for city carriers? How do you apply for city carrier?
stimey105 4 years ago
You have to work your way up to City Carrier from a PTF position. Its a seniority issue. Just like the guy in the office thats been there the longest will have the sweetest route. Its just the post office way. When/if a carrier retires or quits is when you have the chance to put in for a permanent position IF you are the top ranking PTF in the office. Or if the top (seniority again) PTF doesnt want to go regular (idiot if he doesnt) then the next in line puts in for it if he/she wants it
dargno 4 years ago