You people are really stupid first of all its of zero importance if an armenian genocide happened or not because you stupids all forget what armenians did towards other people.
Armenia was before 1914 40% Azeri Turkish and today it is ZERO. Why? Because armenians killed or expelled them, nobody remembers their fate.
Do not forget what armenians did in 1994. They killed 40,000 Azeri people and expelled almost a MILLION people from their homes and AGAIN NOBODY CARES it is always armenian genocide.
You Turks should understand one thing. In contrast to the "Turkish and Middle Eastern historians" we, Europeans, have strength, courage and conscience to admit that we can be wrong and can commit mistakes and crimes. LEt me repeat" STRENGTH, COURAGE and CONSCIENCE.
And you, people, are always right, no matter what you do. Because you have neither strength, nor courage to acqnowledge that you had done something wriong. As for the conscience, you do not apply it to the "infidels".
History is written not only in archives and books. It's also "recorded" on the landscape, and memories of many generations.. There are thousands of Armenian churches in Eastern Turkey, but no one to look after them. No Armenian population left. Oh yes, that was (highly selective) "famine" and "deseases", circa 1915 .. probably, "facilitated" by Turkish Government's "medical assistance".
Yes... While fighting British and French in Gallipoli, Russians in Sarıkamış, British in Egypt, British in Iraq Ottomans had enough soldiers to kill Armenians....
@Baltvilks Most of the Ottoman/Middle East historians do not agree with genocide claims... Armenian genocide is mostly supported by Armenian scholars, some politicians and some historians...
There are tons of articles and essays about this issue that I can give you.
@Baltvilks 1) There are between 1 or 1.5 millions Armenian lived in Ottoman Empire. The number of 1 million death Armenian is ridiculus.
2) Young Turk goverment was not a racist/fascist goverment nor it had any racist/fascist agenda that consisted of eleminating other races or nations.
3) Most of the deaths was caused by femine and disiase. It is proven that Ottoman goverment payed salary to every deported Armenian and send them doctors and food even when their own army was starving.
@MrDenocan Yea, sure. Famine and deseases were very selective: they killed 95% Armenians (and other christian minorities) in Turkey, while bypassing Turks. Do you believe in your oun legend? And yes, Young Turk government WAS a facsist one.
@Baltvilks 4) Armenians were revolting against Ottoman empire and they were collaborating with Russia against Ottoman empire in war time. Ottomans had two choice. One was to opress the revolt with immense power which they didn't have because their army was already spread thin enough with battles. Second one was to deport them. They choosed second option.
@Baltvilks Armenians talk about 1.5/3 million death. There were 1/1.5 million Armenian in Ottoman Empire and 1.5 million in Russian controled areas. There are 12 million Armenians in the world right now. If Ottomans killed 1.5 million Armenian then it is only possible if al of the Armenian gave birth to 6 baby and this consist of men too. Men and women needed to gave birth to 5 baby each to reach this number. And it is absurd.
@MrDenocan Apology! There are no 12 million Armenians in the world today!
There about 3.100 000 in Armenia and KArabakh combined, plus some 3 000 000 all over the world (most of them only half-Armenians). If the Turks killed or starved to death some 600 - 900 000 people - there were still enough left for the reproduction. Plus, hondreds thousands Armenians lived in Europe and Asia before 1915.
@Baltvilks There are now around 75.000 Armenians still live in Turkey and aroun 200.000 Armenians work as illegal immigrants. Do you tink that they would come and live in Turkey if Turkey really was that hostile as Armenians made it out to be?.
@Baltvilks To be blunt, Armenian genocide claims is the only thing that keeps Armenians all around the world as a nation and keeps them from assimilating. Whenever a politican say that Armenian genocide in Armenia they are clapped and congradulated...
Armenia now is a landlock nation and only survive thanks to Iran. Their only hope as a country to advance more than this moment is to take land from Turkey and this could obly be done by Armenian genocide claims...
@MrDenocan To be blunt, those Armenians who now live in Europe and America are descendants of those who somehow survived / escaped from the massacres in 1915-1922 in Turkey, moving out of the country. Those events are in their family history, in many cases - documented. Go ahead tell Aznavour (and millions of others) that their grand parents lied to them, collectively.
@Baltvilks Real numbers of death Armenians are around 200.000-600.000.Armenains started a rebellion and they lose the civil war. They need to accept that and to be blunt, move on with their lifes...
Number of death Turkish civilians in 1915 was between 100.000-150.000... Does that sound like a genocide or does that sound like a civil war?
@MrDenocan It was a civil war in Turkey. Plus, Turkish-Armenian War of 1920, after which Turkey gained half of the pre-war "Russian Armenia" as well. The Armenians lost both wars, no question.
BAd thing is that both wars were accom[anied by ethnic cleansings (from both sides).
@MrDenocan I have no problem admitting there was a violence from Armenian army to Turkish population in 1918, in Kars region. Nor do I have any problem admitting there was mostly muslim population in Eastern (Russian) Armenia, before the flood of refugees from Turkish Armenia in there, since 1915. Because, history should not be lied about. Now, why do YOU have problem admitting there was an Armenian genocide in your country? Because, thats not official in your country.
@xXplayaSzXx You say its ur contry ur music ur culture? oky. I have ever heard armenian music yet if those are your lands... come and get it guyz. If you take rifles aganist us and try to regain some turkish cities of course u gonna die and perish. So stay in armenia, i spose there should be somethn to keep u guyz busy. And we really didnt do a genocide. If we did you were not alive today. Imagine. And if u dont believe us come and see the sites. We find turkish, ALEVİ bones too. Yet i am one.
@Tarsuslualevi1 The Alawites in the region were killed by the Armenians in the most brutal way just because they protected the ethnic Turks in the city center of Adana from being massacred. Before that we had no conflict with Armenians. But it was the year 1918/1919. However the Armenians were massacred by the Ottomans in 1915, and then the Alawites had hidden orphans to protect them. These happenings still occur in the legends told by the elder and are well documented. Read M. Ghalib et-Tavil
@Nickname997 There is plenty of real documentation of women and children. Alot fo it didn't get out, but some did. You can deny all you want, but the fact is that alot of women and innocent children were simply destroyed like sheep by soldiers wearing uniforms and carrying guns.
@macofdeath There is no documentation at all. Its all made up by armenians using their fantasy like this propoganda movie. How stupid brainwashed armenians brainwash themselves and the world.
armenians were sent to Syria they were not killed after WW1 there were 200,000 armenians in syria and 200,000 in Turkey and 500,000 in Russia, before war armen population was 1,5 million, 0,6 million armens died of disease or famine not bullets in the same time 3 million Turks died.
this is an act of few people not the whole nation, and there must be some reason,behid it, what happened is worng, very very woring but it happened inGermany and other places of the world, we need to forget and start new begining, hate is not the solution, nor the cursing the whole turkish nation.
@mohammadshareefusa You want to forget the murder and torture of 2 million people? Comeon. There is such a thing as justice, no matter what religion or nation. What if this had happened to your ancestors, especially if they couldn't fight back?
@friendlyfitters Really? And there are assholes, who gave your comment "likes" o.O
And may God punish all the Christians for the cruelties they commited during the crusades, inqusition and all the lifes they have taken and destroyed, because of their intolerance.
PS.: В самом конце 1918 г. перед концом Войны турки попытались помириться с армянами. Извинились и предложили даже отдать небольшую полосу территории в "турецкой Армении", но армяне не захотели: надеялись, что теперь, когда Антанта разгромила турок,- как раз шанс создать "Великую Армению", не думая о том, насколько проект нереален с самого начала.
В конце 1919 турки даже предложили отдать Ван и Эрзерум, но и этого армянам казалось мало. А "союзники" армян предали и бросили их туркам и РСФСР.
@Baltvilks Мне неизвестны эти факты (пропаганда - она ведь не только с "их" стороны, и с "нашей"), но вполне допускаю, что это правда. В конце концов: тезис о том, что "пострадавший - безвинен" - лжив. При ближайшем рассмотрении, практически всегда оказывается, что "жертва" как минимум сама на 50% ответственна за свои проблемы. Армянская полит. элита начала века вела себя как стадо баранов, и безответственно играла с судьбой нации. Результат известен.
@bossart88 Поэтому в армянской диаспоре нужно, грубо говоря, перестать страдать "фигней" и заняться делом. Признание Геноцида - это очень важно, но во-первых, мертвые не воскреснут, а во-вторых, земли не вернут. Даже если и вернули бы - там уже нет армянского населения. Да к тому же это и не самоцель. Армении надо хотя бы состояться в тех границах, в которых она уже есть. Пока этот вопрос по-прежнему открытый. Гораздо важнее, на мой взгляд, диаспоре начать диалог с турецким обществом.
@bossart88 В конце концов, среди турков, как и в любом другом народе, полно адекватных людей - с которыми можно выстраивать отношения. В конце концов, если уж на то пошло, невинные жертвы (пусть намного меньше, но) были и с их стороны - наши ведь тоже были не ангелами, и где имели возможность - мстили за резню. Но для этого диалога надо сначала сбить обвинительный пафос и сосредоточиться на конструктиве. Начать с культурного обмена. Восстановить там наши церкви. И т.д.
@bossart88 Седи турков есть очень даже адекватные люди. Я имею турецких друзей (из числа военных), их дети у меня гостили и называли "дядей". Но... до конца я все равно ни одному турку не верю (хотя я и ни на один процент не армянин, насколько знаю). Они (магометане) могут быть очень адекватными и добрыми людьми, но если свистнет хан или мулла - пойдут туда же, куда и все ихнее стадо. И горло будут резать. Может быть даже плакать, но резать.
@Baltvilks Да, есть у них такая особенность. Ну так, во-первых, с ними не детей крестить, а хотя бы, для начала, не враждовать, а еще лучше - взаимовыгодно сотрудничать. А во-вторых, договариваться о чем бы то ни было лучше в первую очередь с "ханом" / "муллой", и подкрепить эти договоренности вескими аргументами, на случай нарушения... И, на всякий случай, никогда не поворачиваться к ним спиной :) Армяне, к слову сказать, тоже далеко не ангелы. Не кровожадны, но кидать порой умеют..)
@bossart88 Уже послал Вам и нформацию про книгу и кое-какие линки.
Кстати... я ошибся в одном из предыд. постов: последнее турецкое предложение было не в 1919, а в 1920 на конференции в Ке д'Орсэ. И Эрзерум они все-таки не предлагали, а только Ван. Эрзерум оставался хоть и на самой границе, предлагаемой турками, как "последний шанс", но все же на турецкой ее стороне. (иногда полезно перечитывать собственные тексты :)))
@bossart88 Совершенно согласен. В принципе, в тексте Карссского договора примирение прописано. Обе стороны (и турки и армяне) обязались "прсотить друг другу все преступления и ошибки, совершенные взаимно с 1915 по 1920 гг" (это - так, по памяти, но текст договора несложно найти).
Другое дело, что тот договор подписало уже не легитимное армянское правительство (советское), но то - детали.
PS.: Вы и по-русски, оказывается, пишете так же хорошо, как и по-английски.
@bossart88 Как человек, готовящий к печати собственную книгу в т.ч. и на указанную тему (продукт более, чем десятилетнего труда), утверждаю, что это - доказанный факт могу дать точные ссылки на документы. Ну да лучше - в "личке"
(Окончание) А русская армия, которая должна была "освобождать Армению" специально продерживала наступление, чтобы турки и кудры успели поубивать побольше армян. Потому что включился другой план, о котором армянам не сообшали: взять турецкую Армению БЕЗ АРМЯН и заселить колонистами.
Ну потом, когда русские все-таки пришли, с ними пришли армянские ополченцы, которые начали мстить и делать то, что делали с ними. Ну и... Ну и вот. А потом был 1917. Русские ушли, и турки продолжили начатое дело.
@Baltvilks Возвращаясь к событиям того времени, могу констатировать, что с таким уровнем политической культуры и самоуправления, которое было у армянского общества тогда, у армян было было очень мало шансов создать Армению на большей территории, чем есть сейчас. Самое лучшее, на что тогдашнее армянское общество оказалось способно - это дать бой в Ване, спасти часть нации, и переместить на территорию сегодняшней Армении. Где, кстати, на тот момент, жили в основном татары-азербайджанцы.
@bossart88 Еще одна ирония заключается в том, что за большую часть своих сегодняшних "проблем" Азербайджан должен "благодарить" братьев-турков... И за то, что армяне (отчасти) "выместили" свою "историческую месть" за уничтожение Западной Армении - в Арцахе. И за 500 тыс. армянских беженцев, которые, спасшись от армянской резни в Турции, переселились на территорию нынешней Армении, где, на тот момент, во многих местах превалировало тюркское население. Впрочем, это уже отдельная тема.
@bossart88 Ну... это да. Я, изучив вопрос, понял, что это вообье на грани чуда, что армянам удалось восстановить хоть то, что сейчас считается Арменией. Жалко, что потеряли Нахичеван-Гохтан. Эта полоска земли - куда важнее Арцаха, но... Могло и этого не остаться.
PS.: Если-бы на военно-разбойный гений Нжде, разбивавшего даже совместные турецко-советские контингенты, то и Зангезура бы не было.
@MMadatov A правда - вот где (она - простая и страшная, как сама жизнь):
Лет сто с лишним назад некоторые очень серьезные люди (в массе своей отнюдь НЕ армяне) решили поиграть с проектом "Великая Армения". Одно из обещаний было создание огромного "армянского государства" под протекторатом России и Франции. Армяне, которых на самом деле обижали в Турции, на это клюнули. Ну и турки узнали тоже. С этого момента те, кто считал себя армянами и те, кто - турками, стали несовместимы на одно
@MMadatov (Продолжение) стали несовместимы на одной территории.
Турки начали убивать мужчин, которые могли поднять на них оружие, а женщин и детей прогонять. Ну а курды и прочие местные мусульмане стали просто всех резать - особенно детей - чтобы они не вернулись и не стребовали назад землю и отобранный скот (курды - народ практичный). Так вот и понеслось...
А русская армия, которая должна была "освобождать турецкую Армению" специально продерживала наступление, потому что (продолжу)
This is only movie, there are no facts! You and also any armenian sheep can make this film for propaganda! You are not murdered by anyone! But your murdered in Karabagh a lot Azerbaijan Turks! This is a fact. And the UN has charters about Azerbaijani genocidee in krabagh!
@friendlyfitters, who the fuck are you saying this ? friendly ? if so, germans were worst and japanese were no better, so dont just come and talk like a piece of shit ignorant and say provoking stuff, you are a nothing but an ignorant garbage... I know armenia and armenians better than you and most, yes to my beliefs ottomans commident this crimes and that should concern the part of time and history, not speading hate and lies like you do, so think and talk...
Turks were able to defend their state and build a strong and successful country. Good for them. We, unfortunately, were not - at least, in the Western part of our Homeland. No one (else) to blame. We can't change the history, but we can shape our future.
We are no mourners and losers - not anymore. Not after we won the Artsakh war. Time to build the country. Stop hatred and stop making enemies. Let's try to make friends and find common grounds with our neighbors. Yes, with Azeris, too.
@Baltvilks Thank you. Unfortunately, this is a minority opinion. People prefer to blame others to admitting their own mistakes. "Genocide issue" helps preserve nation in diaspora (spyurk people), but at the expense of negativity and hatred to Turks. Doesn't work. For we could help preserve our nation in Spyurk with our great culture, music, traditions, history, etc.. BTW there are millions of (mostly islamized) Armenians in Turkey.. Hatred doesn't help anyone. We should make friends.
@bossart88 Totally agree with you. I am Christian and to a significant extent support most of what is called "the Armenian case" but... certain things should have been done during the first two decades of the 20th century. Both in terms of fighting and in terms of reaching a compromise. Had certain Turkish proposals been taken in 1918-19, Armenia would be significantly bigger today.
Right now it's a bit too late to talk about re-gaining "Western Armenia" (to be continued)
@Baltvilks We've had too many idiots, traitors and bastards in Armenian political elite then .. And still have too many of them, now. Including the current "president", Mr. Sargsyan... As a consequence, Armenia is dying now - economically, and demographically.. It's a nonsense to claim any part of "Western Armenia" when you can't even properly manage the "Eastern" one... This is the real issue, not passing some controversial bills in foreign parliaments and pumping hatred to Turks...
@bossart88 That's exactly what I mean. Imagine a miracle: Armenia gets back some parts of Western Armenia (let say, as per the Treaty of Sevres) and another miracle: all the Muslims are evacuated from there... Whom would you settle the territory with? I know that Armenia is in serious danger in term of demographics and economy, thus the most important issue today is to make the remaining Armenia at least sustainable if not prosperous (and also preserve some conquests in Artsakh).
BTW, being Armenian, I neither hate Turks nor believe the French law is a good idea. Limiting freedom of speach gives nothing. I believe Turkey is a great country and some day you Turks will admit that Armenians are part of YOUR history, culture, and - blood. You'll admit the crimes of past - the sooner, the better.
2 fellow Armenians. Armenia now is a failed state - let's face it. Let's focus on helping it out and making it strong and successful - not blaming others. Stop making enemies ...
1. Armenian Genocide is a fact. You Turks can't deny your own history.
2. Yes, there was a war, and Armenians fought with Russians, and French - against Turkey. Most likely, there were casualties from the Turkish side.
3. Armenian massacres happened also in Istanbul, Izmir, and many other places where they had nothing to do with the war.
4. Don't speak of Turkish "hospitality": Armenians lived on lands that were called "Armenia" long before Seljuk Turks came here. So, it was THEIR country, too.
@arazqarayev80 I'm not. Read the history books not the official propaganda of Aseri state. BTW, we'll some day return the occupied Azeri soil (Agdam, Fisuli, etc.) - but no sooner than you stop war mongering, seeking "revenge", and trying to "ruturn karabagh". Agdam is Azeri soil, Mardakert is not. Wanna "return" it? "Welcome" to the hell of another war.
@HBARDHI olur gideriz.amın oğlu kimin gücü yetti bizi anadoludan atmaya kaç kere haçlı seferi düzenlediler.satılmış köpek. inşallah bigün sahiplerinde seni bizi arkadan vurduğun gibi vururda görürsün ebenin amını.
@sssakoian senin gibi bir malın sözüyle mi söyleyecez. orospunun evladı ermineler osmanlıda en çok sevilen azınlıktı. biz kendi güvenliğimiz için kışkırtmalara gelmesin diye göç ettirdik. senin gibi anası sikikler burada bişey bilip bilmeden ahkam kesmesin sikerim!
Why do you lose time with these genocide lies ? Work for a better , richer , more industrialized Armenia ? Armenia is suffering in great poverty . Diasporia are living in great wealth . They manipulate Armenia . You are losing time by dreaming .
Armenians ARE Real Murders, did killed in Anatolia 532.000 Turkish peoples! Did killed Turkish diplomats by Diaspora ASALA terorist organization! Did killed Azeri peoples and did genocide Azeri peoples in Khoadjali! JUSTICE? FOR WHO? WE ARE WANT JUSTICE! ARMENIAN KILL, BURN, RAPE THESE PEOPLES AFTER WANT JUSTICE?? ARE YOU KIDDING TO ME? MAYBE YOU CAN MISTAKE OTHER PEOPLES BUT YOURS NEVER MISTAKE TURKS!
"The reality is that there is no more Armenian presence in Anatolia, where they used to live for the past 3,000 years," Gengiz Aktar. turkish scholar.
Oran Pamuk is a turkish novelist and a Nobel Prize winner. google him or search on youtube regarding history between turkey and Armenians.
Fatma Muge Gocek, a Turkish-born sociologist who teaches at the University of Michigan, said it was only a matter of time before the Turkish government came to grips with its past.
İyi yapmışız orospu çocuklarına bu toprakları osmanlının güçsüzlüğünden faydalanıp almak isteyenler sonlarını gördü bu topraklar bize atalarımızdan miras benim büyük dedem bu piçlerin çetelerine karşı Kars'ta savaş vermiş abisini de kaç parçaya ayırmışlar kanımızın son damlasına kadar bizim bu vatan o amblem olarak kullandıkları Ağrı dağı da götlerine girsin piç kurularının. Yavşak ermeniler işte ne olacak acındırın kendinizi zaten içiniz geçmiş sizin :D
İf u want to Turk's land, if u fight for this idea. Turk's is right cause Turk's always protect inheritance cauntry... Armenian is a fake country pitiable people :)))
how stupid you are. There are pictures of you Turks KILLING them.. And every Turk sees them. They are also in front of YOUR eyes.. and you are really saying that we lie?
Thats like i would have on dollar in my hand, and you would say i dont!
just now nearly 8000 armenian citizen from Armenia are working now in Turkey without any trouble, for exact numbers please ask Mr. sarkisyan(president of Armenia)
Armenians claim Anatolia, some Iranian soils, Karabagh, Balcans too...You are sticky Insects armenians...Griboyedov(russian dipomat, 1828) letter to Tsar: "My Tsar, do not let armenians migration to russian lands or they will cling those lands as they do now in Small Caucasus!" Pushkin: "You are lier, you are slave, you are thief you are an armenian"..FROM OLD TİMES ARMENİAN CHARACTER WAS KNOWN TO EVERYBODY!!! wake up world..HİSTORY HAS PENİS İN ARMENİAN ASS!!))
Its Tottally wrong . If we make genocide how this peoples become a country. While ottoman empire at war who attack to womens which husband or father at war?
its enough
Maybe there is some wrong things but no genocide. More turkish peoples killed then armenians. Stiil there ara lots of armenian live in Turkiye and we are a family. Videos like this not show the truth.
Its Tottally wrong . If we make genocide how this peoples become a country. While ottoman empire at war who attack to womens which husband or father at war?
its enough
Maybe there is some wrong things but no genocide. More turkish peoples killed then armenians. Stiil there ara lots of armenian live in Turkiye and we are a family. Videos like this not show the truth.
i really sad for those armenians, they are such a loser people, crying every platform that they found .. and spread their lies... then tell me little armenian shits, before the 1915, why you killed the muslim people in eastern anatolia? why you trait us in our hardest time, when we were fighting against many enemy like russia, france, england, arab traitors etc. you trait us, you killed the muslim people in east anatolia with russians. and you take your answer so hard! fucking gypsies
for all those brainwashed people who believes in the armenian genocide : you have to watch the next video " ARMENIAN SO CALLED GENOCIDE " and please whatch all the 7 episodes!!!!!
This is the real story, and not only told by Turks but by people all over the world!!!!!!!!! So fuck all ya fucking haters, you will never get Turkey bend over! We never bend over and will never bend over!!! We are still growing and dont give a fuck about EU and the USA, Fuck all ya!!!!!!!!
for all those brainwashed people who believes in the armenian genocide : you have to watch the next video " ARMENIAN SO CALLED GENOCIDE " and please whatch all the 7 episodes!!!!!
This is the real story, and not only told by Turks but by people all over the world!!!!!!!!! So fuck all ya fucking haters, you will never get Turkey bend over! We never bend over and will never bend over!!! We are still growing and dont give a fuck about EU and the USA, Fuck all ya!!!!!!!!
for all those brainwashed people who believes in the armenian genocide : you have to watch the next video " ARMENIAN SO CALLED GENOCIDE " and please whatch all the 7 episodes!!!!!
This is the real story, and not only told by Turks but by people all over the world!!!!!!!!! So fuck all ya fucking haters, you will never get Turkey bend over! We never bend over and will never bend over!!! We are still growing and dont give a fuck about EU and the USA, Fuck all ya!!!!!!!!
Turks have been killing Christians not only in Armenia and Asyria but also in a big part of europe such as greece, bulgaria Hungary Czechoslovakia etc... andthat is a FACT. The least the world can do is support the Genocide bill ! At least this will not happen ever again by the turks.. Now we have means to defend our selfs and defen we will should this happen again. If it does, we will take Constantinople back and kick turks further shouth )
If Turks had really committed GENOCIDE to Armenians, no single Armenian would be alive today! What a bunch of lie! Ottoman Government looked after the whole Armenian people during deportation. Infact the real genocide has been committed to Turks by Armenians. Armenian people are terrorist! We all know very well why you do this..! You are after MONEY and a LAND. ASALA, PKK, HIZBULLAH are all your dirty terrorist organisations. EVIL TERRORISTS!
Stupid clip horse blankets are blue-red armenian flag colours. You can see how armenians stupid. First they charged to Turks with Tashnak guerillas . Kill and rape the people in cities and towns . They are not white as milk. Action-reaction. If you decide to kill someone you must wait for killer.
those armenians deserved, they backstabbed our hospitality, but since the frenches offered a state for armenians if ottoman empire dissambles, then those armenians started to kill turks to weaken them....but they made a mistake, the turks got enraged because the armenians betrayed the hospitality....so they drove them out, some killed the murderer of their lost families...so this is what you get...and the most pathetic is, the whole western world are also making a propaganda against turkey
WAKE UP ARMENIAN ASSHOLES!!! YOU ARE RUSSIAN'S ,FRENCH'S AND AMERICAN'S SLAVES!! LOOK AT HISTORY !! WE WERE MAINTAINED YOU ONETIME! BUT YOU ALWAYS HAIN TO US!!!!!!
@Baltvilks More than 100.000 Armenians live Turkey now. While Armenians were migrating in the Syria, unfortunately most of the Armenians killed and some of them were killed by Turks. As you know, in Eastern Turkey Turks and Kurds people were killed by Armenians. Why do you mention about it?
@Baltvilks all of them migrated. and some of them show themselves as "kurds" . dont you know this fucking armenoid. hey armenian bastards. i am a Türk, and i have bad news for you. 100.000 armenian women work in Türkey illegally. and you know whats their profession? they are prostitutes. yes, all of them are prostitutes, believe me or not, their customers are mostly kurds. armenians sell themselves to only 10$. because they are Fuck damn ugly ! take your women back ! we dont need your ugly horn
@Baltvilks They're everywhere. They even form an official ethnic group in turkey called suryaniler. You fucking morons are so ignorant. I have soooo many Armenian friends in turkey. its only a small group of fucks that licked the asshole of europe because they where christian too.
@Baltvilks dude its a lie.so is the burning of smyrna.we all know the greeks did it.thats why the only place of smyna that didnt get burn was the turkish neighborhood.just like in pontus the 350.000 dead bodies discovered in the massive grave were most likely turks dressed as pontic greeks for fun.and then they killed themshelfes for fun or something like that.am i right?
@Baltvilks they have returned their own country after killed babies, wifes and old people in Turkey villages at east while turkish army were fighting in first world war. You are just writing before you learn the truth ,go get learn some information about things armenians done to turkish citizens in years between 1900-1920 ... ignorants
@anulik251 im not turk, im ladino jew only im living turkey. In fact, you change the history, such as france. ur racist, ur abuse at hurl. go to hell scurvy!
@oktayhamza Listen i am extremely patient,but you are really getting on my nerves.Why want you shut up and be quite.You can't change the history.We are strong and you are weak.You cannot defeat Armenians.The plan no Armenians no problems fail,and it always will.
@oktayhamza Armenian genocide is a lie, Greek genocide is a lie, Assyrian genocide is a lie, Kurdish genocide (cultural and physical) is a lie. Guess who is saying it is a lie? Only and only Turks. No one other than Turks in the world say it is a lie. Need I say more?
Armenians, Kurds was genocide .. hamidiye alayları
kemalintikam 3 days ago
Abdul Hamid and the Kurds killed Armenians Union and Progress
kemalintikam 3 days ago
You people are really stupid first of all its of zero importance if an armenian genocide happened or not because you stupids all forget what armenians did towards other people.
Armenia was before 1914 40% Azeri Turkish and today it is ZERO. Why? Because armenians killed or expelled them, nobody remembers their fate.
Do not forget what armenians did in 1994. They killed 40,000 Azeri people and expelled almost a MILLION people from their homes and AGAIN NOBODY CARES it is always armenian genocide.
Nickname997 6 days ago
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Garadaghli Genocide --
On February 17, 1992. Armenian Army attacked Karadaghli village of Azerbaijan.
The village was completely destroyed during the occupation, peaceful people, including
women and children were brutally killed, tortured and taken hostages. Nearly 80 of 110
villagers were killed, 6 became missing and according to the witnesses, 9 people were taken hostage.
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batya405 1 week ago
And, by the way, your attitude towards "the infidels" all amply proves how you are not sure about your faith.
Sorry. I wrote what I think. I bet you are unable to understand even half of what I wrote, but that's OK.
Baltvilks 1 week ago
You Turks should understand one thing. In contrast to the "Turkish and Middle Eastern historians" we, Europeans, have strength, courage and conscience to admit that we can be wrong and can commit mistakes and crimes. LEt me repeat" STRENGTH, COURAGE and CONSCIENCE.
And you, people, are always right, no matter what you do. Because you have neither strength, nor courage to acqnowledge that you had done something wriong. As for the conscience, you do not apply it to the "infidels".
Baltvilks 1 week ago
Hey Kebab shop turks....go and get your greasy rat ridden shops in order..instead of wasting time here..writing badly written stupid comments.
friendlyfitters 1 week ago
History is written not only in archives and books. It's also "recorded" on the landscape, and memories of many generations.. There are thousands of Armenian churches in Eastern Turkey, but no one to look after them. No Armenian population left. Oh yes, that was (highly selective) "famine" and "deseases", circa 1915 .. probably, "facilitated" by Turkish Government's "medical assistance".
bossart88 1 week ago
nice propaganda how about armenians killed turks and kurds and burn villages................
humannism 1 week ago
Yes... While fighting British and French in Gallipoli, Russians in Sarıkamış, British in Egypt, British in Iraq Ottomans had enough soldiers to kill Armenians....
What an idiotic claim...
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan So, where are the Turkish Armenians then?
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@Baltvilks Most of the Ottoman/Middle East historians do not agree with genocide claims... Armenian genocide is mostly supported by Armenian scholars, some politicians and some historians...
There are tons of articles and essays about this issue that I can give you.
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan I can give you tons of various articles as well.
However, the questuion still remains unanswered: WHERE ARE THE TURKISH ARMENIANS who lived in Turkey before the Great War?
And, by the way, where are the Greeks from western Anatolia?
Any ideas about their mysterious disappearence?
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@Baltvilks You know that Greece and Turkey signed an agreement about population exchange right?
Greeks who lived in Turkey moved to Greece
Turks who lived in greece moved to Turkey....
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan I know that. And why did they sign that agreement? Why were the people who lived where they lived for many generations had to leave?
They had to do that because of mutual extermination
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@Baltvilks there was a mistake in birth numbers... I am logging on from my Iphone. It should be 5 and not 6.
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@Baltvilks 1) There are between 1 or 1.5 millions Armenian lived in Ottoman Empire. The number of 1 million death Armenian is ridiculus.
2) Young Turk goverment was not a racist/fascist goverment nor it had any racist/fascist agenda that consisted of eleminating other races or nations.
3) Most of the deaths was caused by femine and disiase. It is proven that Ottoman goverment payed salary to every deported Armenian and send them doctors and food even when their own army was starving.
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan Right! 1-1.5 000 000 Armenians lived in Turkey before 1915.
All of them have been expelled OR murdered.
Sorry, do not believe in the salary paid during the deportation.
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@MrDenocan Yea, sure. Famine and deseases were very selective: they killed 95% Armenians (and other christian minorities) in Turkey, while bypassing Turks. Do you believe in your oun legend? And yes, Young Turk government WAS a facsist one.
bossart88 1 week ago
@Baltvilks 4) Armenians were revolting against Ottoman empire and they were collaborating with Russia against Ottoman empire in war time. Ottomans had two choice. One was to opress the revolt with immense power which they didn't have because their army was already spread thin enough with battles. Second one was to deport them. They choosed second option.
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan Armenians revolted and were collaborating with the Russians and French. True. There were two reasons for that:
1. The Armenians had regularly been massacred by the Ottoman Turks before, and they had enough of discriminarion.
2. The Armenians were PROVOKED by the French and Russians who wanted them to revolt against the Turks and left them to their own destiny.
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@Baltvilks Armenians talk about 1.5/3 million death. There were 1/1.5 million Armenian in Ottoman Empire and 1.5 million in Russian controled areas. There are 12 million Armenians in the world right now. If Ottomans killed 1.5 million Armenian then it is only possible if al of the Armenian gave birth to 6 baby and this consist of men too. Men and women needed to gave birth to 5 baby each to reach this number. And it is absurd.
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan Apology! There are no 12 million Armenians in the world today!
There about 3.100 000 in Armenia and KArabakh combined, plus some 3 000 000 all over the world (most of them only half-Armenians). If the Turks killed or starved to death some 600 - 900 000 people - there were still enough left for the reproduction. Plus, hondreds thousands Armenians lived in Europe and Asia before 1915.
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@Baltvilks There are now around 75.000 Armenians still live in Turkey and aroun 200.000 Armenians work as illegal immigrants. Do you tink that they would come and live in Turkey if Turkey really was that hostile as Armenians made it out to be?.
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@Baltvilks To be blunt, Armenian genocide claims is the only thing that keeps Armenians all around the world as a nation and keeps them from assimilating. Whenever a politican say that Armenian genocide in Armenia they are clapped and congradulated...
Armenia now is a landlock nation and only survive thanks to Iran. Their only hope as a country to advance more than this moment is to take land from Turkey and this could obly be done by Armenian genocide claims...
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan To be blunt, those Armenians who now live in Europe and America are descendants of those who somehow survived / escaped from the massacres in 1915-1922 in Turkey, moving out of the country. Those events are in their family history, in many cases - documented. Go ahead tell Aznavour (and millions of others) that their grand parents lied to them, collectively.
bossart88 1 week ago
@Baltvilks Real numbers of death Armenians are around 200.000-600.000.Armenains started a rebellion and they lose the civil war. They need to accept that and to be blunt, move on with their lifes...
Number of death Turkish civilians in 1915 was between 100.000-150.000... Does that sound like a genocide or does that sound like a civil war?
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan It was a civil war in Turkey. Plus, Turkish-Armenian War of 1920, after which Turkey gained half of the pre-war "Russian Armenia" as well. The Armenians lost both wars, no question.
BAd thing is that both wars were accom[anied by ethnic cleansings (from both sides).
Baltvilks 1 week ago
@MrDenocan I have no problem admitting there was a violence from Armenian army to Turkish population in 1918, in Kars region. Nor do I have any problem admitting there was mostly muslim population in Eastern (Russian) Armenia, before the flood of refugees from Turkish Armenia in there, since 1915. Because, history should not be lied about. Now, why do YOU have problem admitting there was an Armenian genocide in your country? Because, thats not official in your country.
bossart88 1 week ago
@friendlyfitters ))))))))) stupid! God is one! But religion is 3
Rapira01 1 week ago
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TurkisBoyMert 2 weeks ago
@xXplayaSzXx You say its ur contry ur music ur culture? oky. I have ever heard armenian music yet if those are your lands... come and get it guyz. If you take rifles aganist us and try to regain some turkish cities of course u gonna die and perish. So stay in armenia, i spose there should be somethn to keep u guyz busy. And we really didnt do a genocide. If we did you were not alive today. Imagine. And if u dont believe us come and see the sites. We find turkish, ALEVİ bones too. Yet i am one.
Tarsuslualevi1 2 weeks ago
@Tarsuslualevi1 How are you so proud of the massacre of women and children just because they were a different ethnicity and religion?
macofdeath 2 weeks ago
@Tarsuslualevi1 The Alawites in the region were killed by the Armenians in the most brutal way just because they protected the ethnic Turks in the city center of Adana from being massacred. Before that we had no conflict with Armenians. But it was the year 1918/1919. However the Armenians were massacred by the Ottomans in 1915, and then the Alawites had hidden orphans to protect them. These happenings still occur in the legends told by the elder and are well documented. Read M. Ghalib et-Tavil
EbuEsed 1 week ago
How stupid people are! They think this is real!
This is not reality it is just a stupid fictional armenian shit propoganda movie
Nickname997 2 weeks ago
@Nickname997 There is plenty of real documentation of women and children. Alot fo it didn't get out, but some did. You can deny all you want, but the fact is that alot of women and innocent children were simply destroyed like sheep by soldiers wearing uniforms and carrying guns.
macofdeath 2 weeks ago 2
@macofdeath There is no documentation at all. Its all made up by armenians using their fantasy like this propoganda movie. How stupid brainwashed armenians brainwash themselves and the world.
armenians were sent to Syria they were not killed after WW1 there were 200,000 armenians in syria and 200,000 in Turkey and 500,000 in Russia, before war armen population was 1,5 million, 0,6 million armens died of disease or famine not bullets in the same time 3 million Turks died.
Nickname997 2 weeks ago
this is an act of few people not the whole nation, and there must be some reason,behid it, what happened is worng, very very woring but it happened inGermany and other places of the world, we need to forget and start new begining, hate is not the solution, nor the cursing the whole turkish nation.
mohammadshareefusa 2 weeks ago
@mohammadshareefusa You want to forget the murder and torture of 2 million people? Comeon. There is such a thing as justice, no matter what religion or nation. What if this had happened to your ancestors, especially if they couldn't fight back?
macofdeath 2 weeks ago
turkish people =kültürsiz,göcebe kitapsiz mongol köpekler. ne mutlu makedon lider mustafa kemal diyene
radiomerdin 2 weeks ago
@friendlyfitters Really? And there are assholes, who gave your comment "likes" o.O
And may God punish all the Christians for the cruelties they commited during the crusades, inqusition and all the lifes they have taken and destroyed, because of their intolerance.
ArsArmatoria 3 weeks ago
thanks for sharing...
so sad....
DerHumanismus 3 weeks ago
In my head I was screaming "Lay down and play dead, lay down and play dead!!"
BurningMountin 3 weeks ago
PS.: В самом конце 1918 г. перед концом Войны турки попытались помириться с армянами. Извинились и предложили даже отдать небольшую полосу территории в "турецкой Армении", но армяне не захотели: надеялись, что теперь, когда Антанта разгромила турок,- как раз шанс создать "Великую Армению", не думая о том, насколько проект нереален с самого начала.
В конце 1919 турки даже предложили отдать Ван и Эрзерум, но и этого армянам казалось мало. А "союзники" армян предали и бросили их туркам и РСФСР.
Baltvilks 4 weeks ago
@Baltvilks Мне неизвестны эти факты (пропаганда - она ведь не только с "их" стороны, и с "нашей"), но вполне допускаю, что это правда. В конце концов: тезис о том, что "пострадавший - безвинен" - лжив. При ближайшем рассмотрении, практически всегда оказывается, что "жертва" как минимум сама на 50% ответственна за свои проблемы. Армянская полит. элита начала века вела себя как стадо баранов, и безответственно играла с судьбой нации. Результат известен.
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Поэтому в армянской диаспоре нужно, грубо говоря, перестать страдать "фигней" и заняться делом. Признание Геноцида - это очень важно, но во-первых, мертвые не воскреснут, а во-вторых, земли не вернут. Даже если и вернули бы - там уже нет армянского населения. Да к тому же это и не самоцель. Армении надо хотя бы состояться в тех границах, в которых она уже есть. Пока этот вопрос по-прежнему открытый. Гораздо важнее, на мой взгляд, диаспоре начать диалог с турецким обществом.
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 В конце концов, среди турков, как и в любом другом народе, полно адекватных людей - с которыми можно выстраивать отношения. В конце концов, если уж на то пошло, невинные жертвы (пусть намного меньше, но) были и с их стороны - наши ведь тоже были не ангелами, и где имели возможность - мстили за резню. Но для этого диалога надо сначала сбить обвинительный пафос и сосредоточиться на конструктиве. Начать с культурного обмена. Восстановить там наши церкви. И т.д.
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Седи турков есть очень даже адекватные люди. Я имею турецких друзей (из числа военных), их дети у меня гостили и называли "дядей". Но... до конца я все равно ни одному турку не верю (хотя я и ни на один процент не армянин, насколько знаю). Они (магометане) могут быть очень адекватными и добрыми людьми, но если свистнет хан или мулла - пойдут туда же, куда и все ихнее стадо. И горло будут резать. Может быть даже плакать, но резать.
Baltvilks 3 weeks ago
@Baltvilks Да, есть у них такая особенность. Ну так, во-первых, с ними не детей крестить, а хотя бы, для начала, не враждовать, а еще лучше - взаимовыгодно сотрудничать. А во-вторых, договариваться о чем бы то ни было лучше в первую очередь с "ханом" / "муллой", и подкрепить эти договоренности вескими аргументами, на случай нарушения... И, на всякий случай, никогда не поворачиваться к ним спиной :) Армяне, к слову сказать, тоже далеко не ангелы. Не кровожадны, но кидать порой умеют..)
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Как называется Ваша книга, где ее планируете издавать, и как ее можно приобрести? (можно в личку).
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Уже послал Вам и нформацию про книгу и кое-какие линки.
Кстати... я ошибся в одном из предыд. постов: последнее турецкое предложение было не в 1919, а в 1920 на конференции в Ке д'Орсэ. И Эрзерум они все-таки не предлагали, а только Ван. Эрзерум оставался хоть и на самой границе, предлагаемой турками, как "последний шанс", но все же на турецкой ее стороне. (иногда полезно перечитывать собственные тексты :)))
Baltvilks 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Кидать умеют все, кто является человеком :))))))))
Baltvilks 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Совершенно согласен. В принципе, в тексте Карссского договора примирение прописано. Обе стороны (и турки и армяне) обязались "прсотить друг другу все преступления и ошибки, совершенные взаимно с 1915 по 1920 гг" (это - так, по памяти, но текст договора несложно найти).
Другое дело, что тот договор подписало уже не легитимное армянское правительство (советское), но то - детали.
PS.: Вы и по-русски, оказывается, пишете так же хорошо, как и по-английски.
Baltvilks 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Как человек, готовящий к печати собственную книгу в т.ч. и на указанную тему (продукт более, чем десятилетнего труда), утверждаю, что это - доказанный факт могу дать точные ссылки на документы. Ну да лучше - в "личке"
Baltvilks 3 weeks ago
(Окончание) А русская армия, которая должна была "освобождать Армению" специально продерживала наступление, чтобы турки и кудры успели поубивать побольше армян. Потому что включился другой план, о котором армянам не сообшали: взять турецкую Армению БЕЗ АРМЯН и заселить колонистами.
Ну потом, когда русские все-таки пришли, с ними пришли армянские ополченцы, которые начали мстить и делать то, что делали с ними. Ну и... Ну и вот. А потом был 1917. Русские ушли, и турки продолжили начатое дело.
Baltvilks 4 weeks ago
@Baltvilks Возвращаясь к событиям того времени, могу констатировать, что с таким уровнем политической культуры и самоуправления, которое было у армянского общества тогда, у армян было было очень мало шансов создать Армению на большей территории, чем есть сейчас. Самое лучшее, на что тогдашнее армянское общество оказалось способно - это дать бой в Ване, спасти часть нации, и переместить на территорию сегодняшней Армении. Где, кстати, на тот момент, жили в основном татары-азербайджанцы.
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Еще одна ирония заключается в том, что за большую часть своих сегодняшних "проблем" Азербайджан должен "благодарить" братьев-турков... И за то, что армяне (отчасти) "выместили" свою "историческую месть" за уничтожение Западной Армении - в Арцахе. И за 500 тыс. армянских беженцев, которые, спасшись от армянской резни в Турции, переселились на территорию нынешней Армении, где, на тот момент, во многих местах превалировало тюркское население. Впрочем, это уже отдельная тема.
bossart88 3 weeks ago
@bossart88 Ну... это да. Я, изучив вопрос, понял, что это вообье на грани чуда, что армянам удалось восстановить хоть то, что сейчас считается Арменией. Жалко, что потеряли Нахичеван-Гохтан. Эта полоска земли - куда важнее Арцаха, но... Могло и этого не остаться.
PS.: Если-бы на военно-разбойный гений Нжде, разбивавшего даже совместные турецко-советские контингенты, то и Зангезура бы не было.
Baltvilks 3 weeks ago
а где правда ?????
MMadatov 4 weeks ago
@MMadatov A правда - вот где (она - простая и страшная, как сама жизнь):
Лет сто с лишним назад некоторые очень серьезные люди (в массе своей отнюдь НЕ армяне) решили поиграть с проектом "Великая Армения". Одно из обещаний было создание огромного "армянского государства" под протекторатом России и Франции. Армяне, которых на самом деле обижали в Турции, на это клюнули. Ну и турки узнали тоже. С этого момента те, кто считал себя армянами и те, кто - турками, стали несовместимы на одно
Baltvilks 4 weeks ago
@MMadatov (Продолжение) стали несовместимы на одной территории.
Турки начали убивать мужчин, которые могли поднять на них оружие, а женщин и детей прогонять. Ну а курды и прочие местные мусульмане стали просто всех резать - особенно детей - чтобы они не вернулись и не стребовали назад землю и отобранный скот (курды - народ практичный). Так вот и понеслось...
А русская армия, которая должна была "освобождать турецкую Армению" специально продерживала наступление, потому что (продолжу)
Baltvilks 4 weeks ago
fuck turkay
armenia237 4 weeks ago
This is only movie, there are no facts! You and also any armenian sheep can make this film for propaganda! You are not murdered by anyone! But your murdered in Karabagh a lot Azerbaijan Turks! This is a fact. And the UN has charters about Azerbaijani genocidee in krabagh!
Rapira01 4 weeks ago
@Rapira01 Whom are you addressing this posting, Turkish sheep?
Baltvilks 4 weeks ago
@friendlyfitters, who the fuck are you saying this ? friendly ? if so, germans were worst and japanese were no better, so dont just come and talk like a piece of shit ignorant and say provoking stuff, you are a nothing but an ignorant garbage... I know armenia and armenians better than you and most, yes to my beliefs ottomans commident this crimes and that should concern the part of time and history, not speading hate and lies like you do, so think and talk...
vandumbass 1 month ago
MUSLIM TURKS NEVER KİLL WOMEN AND CHİLDREN,SO THİS VİDEO AND ALSO ALL ARMENİAN GENOCİDE STUFFS ARE LİE!
ARMENİANS HAVENT GOT MERCY,THEY START TO KİLL OUR PEOPLE FİRST with TORTURE,and WE MUST TO PROTECT OUR PEOPLE AND OUR LANDS...THEY BETRAY TO TURKS.
ARMENİANS=MURDERER,LİAR,UNGRATEFUL.Like wild pigs...
Kocharibarna 1 month ago
ne bila genocid , bilo tolko pridatelstvo armyanov . vse znayut eto ..
arazqarayev80 1 month ago
Turks were able to defend their state and build a strong and successful country. Good for them. We, unfortunately, were not - at least, in the Western part of our Homeland. No one (else) to blame. We can't change the history, but we can shape our future.
We are no mourners and losers - not anymore. Not after we won the Artsakh war. Time to build the country. Stop hatred and stop making enemies. Let's try to make friends and find common grounds with our neighbors. Yes, with Azeris, too.
bossart88 1 month ago
@bossart88 Very wise opinion. Respect and support.
Baltvilks 1 month ago
@Baltvilks Thank you. Unfortunately, this is a minority opinion. People prefer to blame others to admitting their own mistakes. "Genocide issue" helps preserve nation in diaspora (spyurk people), but at the expense of negativity and hatred to Turks. Doesn't work. For we could help preserve our nation in Spyurk with our great culture, music, traditions, history, etc.. BTW there are millions of (mostly islamized) Armenians in Turkey.. Hatred doesn't help anyone. We should make friends.
bossart88 1 month ago
@bossart88 Totally agree with you. I am Christian and to a significant extent support most of what is called "the Armenian case" but... certain things should have been done during the first two decades of the 20th century. Both in terms of fighting and in terms of reaching a compromise. Had certain Turkish proposals been taken in 1918-19, Armenia would be significantly bigger today.
Right now it's a bit too late to talk about re-gaining "Western Armenia" (to be continued)
Baltvilks 1 month ago
@Baltvilks We've had too many idiots, traitors and bastards in Armenian political elite then .. And still have too many of them, now. Including the current "president", Mr. Sargsyan... As a consequence, Armenia is dying now - economically, and demographically.. It's a nonsense to claim any part of "Western Armenia" when you can't even properly manage the "Eastern" one... This is the real issue, not passing some controversial bills in foreign parliaments and pumping hatred to Turks...
bossart88 1 month ago
@bossart88 That's exactly what I mean. Imagine a miracle: Armenia gets back some parts of Western Armenia (let say, as per the Treaty of Sevres) and another miracle: all the Muslims are evacuated from there... Whom would you settle the territory with? I know that Armenia is in serious danger in term of demographics and economy, thus the most important issue today is to make the remaining Armenia at least sustainable if not prosperous (and also preserve some conquests in Artsakh).
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Baltvilks 1 month ago
BTW, being Armenian, I neither hate Turks nor believe the French law is a good idea. Limiting freedom of speach gives nothing. I believe Turkey is a great country and some day you Turks will admit that Armenians are part of YOUR history, culture, and - blood. You'll admit the crimes of past - the sooner, the better.
2 fellow Armenians. Armenia now is a failed state - let's face it. Let's focus on helping it out and making it strong and successful - not blaming others. Stop making enemies ...
bossart88 1 month ago
1. Armenian Genocide is a fact. You Turks can't deny your own history.
2. Yes, there was a war, and Armenians fought with Russians, and French - against Turkey. Most likely, there were casualties from the Turkish side.
3. Armenian massacres happened also in Istanbul, Izmir, and many other places where they had nothing to do with the war.
4. Don't speak of Turkish "hospitality": Armenians lived on lands that were called "Armenia" long before Seljuk Turks came here. So, it was THEIR country, too.
bossart88 1 month ago
@bossart88 you lier.
arazqarayev80 1 month ago
@arazqarayev80 I'm not. Read the history books not the official propaganda of Aseri state. BTW, we'll some day return the occupied Azeri soil (Agdam, Fisuli, etc.) - but no sooner than you stop war mongering, seeking "revenge", and trying to "ruturn karabagh". Agdam is Azeri soil, Mardakert is not. Wanna "return" it? "Welcome" to the hell of another war.
bossart88 1 month ago
@HBARDHI olur gideriz.amın oğlu kimin gücü yetti bizi anadoludan atmaya kaç kere haçlı seferi düzenlediler.satılmış köpek. inşallah bigün sahiplerinde seni bizi arkadan vurduğun gibi vururda görürsün ebenin amını.
Oguzhanpasa1907 1 month ago
Islamic Evil Will Be Judged Soon Not By The Force Of Man! But By The Force Of Our Ancestors!
Keep that in mind, Free and True People.
Youkn8wm9 1 month ago
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REAL HISTORY:
1821<1890<1915
1821 = GREEKS CUT OTTOMANS
1890=ARMENIAN REBEL FORCE DASHNAKSUTIUN FOUNDED IN TIFLIS
1915= ARMENIAN TERRORIST LEADERS ARRESTED BY OTTOMANS...
DON'T CHANGE HISTORY!
00thelastottoman00 1 month ago
@sssakoian senin gibi bir malın sözüyle mi söyleyecez. orospunun evladı ermineler osmanlıda en çok sevilen azınlıktı. biz kendi güvenliğimiz için kışkırtmalara gelmesin diye göç ettirdik. senin gibi anası sikikler burada bişey bilip bilmeden ahkam kesmesin sikerim!
Oguzhanpasa1907 1 month ago
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Why do you lose time with these genocide lies ? Work for a better , richer , more industrialized Armenia ? Armenia is suffering in great poverty . Diasporia are living in great wealth . They manipulate Armenia . You are losing time by dreaming .
undencem 1 month ago
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Armenians ARE Real Murders, did killed in Anatolia 532.000 Turkish peoples! Did killed Turkish diplomats by Diaspora ASALA terorist organization! Did killed Azeri peoples and did genocide Azeri peoples in Khoadjali! JUSTICE? FOR WHO? WE ARE WANT JUSTICE! ARMENIAN KILL, BURN, RAPE THESE PEOPLES AFTER WANT JUSTICE?? ARE YOU KIDDING TO ME? MAYBE YOU CAN MISTAKE OTHER PEOPLES BUT YOURS NEVER MISTAKE TURKS!
MegaSahmaran 1 month ago
Independence for Armenia. Shame on Turkey to deny the Armenian Genocide. The Pacific Island nations will never forget.
jusitke07 1 month ago
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"The reality is that there is no more Armenian presence in Anatolia, where they used to live for the past 3,000 years," Gengiz Aktar. turkish scholar.
Oran Pamuk is a turkish novelist and a Nobel Prize winner. google him or search on youtube regarding history between turkey and Armenians.
Fatma Muge Gocek, a Turkish-born sociologist who teaches at the University of Michigan, said it was only a matter of time before the Turkish government came to grips with its past.
filmodee 1 month ago
İyi yapmışız orospu çocuklarına bu toprakları osmanlının güçsüzlüğünden faydalanıp almak isteyenler sonlarını gördü bu topraklar bize atalarımızdan miras benim büyük dedem bu piçlerin çetelerine karşı Kars'ta savaş vermiş abisini de kaç parçaya ayırmışlar kanımızın son damlasına kadar bizim bu vatan o amblem olarak kullandıkları Ağrı dağı da götlerine girsin piç kurularının. Yavşak ermeniler işte ne olacak acındırın kendinizi zaten içiniz geçmiş sizin :D
MrCihanyurtseven 1 month ago
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İf u want to Turk's land, if u fight for this idea. Turk's is right cause Turk's always protect inheritance cauntry... Armenian is a fake country pitiable people :)))
MrCihanyurtseven 1 month ago
BİG ARMENİAN LIES..
MrTurk3737 1 month ago
@MrTurk3737
how stupid you are. There are pictures of you Turks KILLING them.. And every Turk sees them. They are also in front of YOUR eyes.. and you are really saying that we lie?
Thats like i would have on dollar in my hand, and you would say i dont!
xXplayaSzXx 2 weeks ago
yazık bir toplumun beyni nasıl yıkanır onun dersi bu olsa gerek
power700 1 month ago
watch?v=nUlnnUz7KiQ
watch it for truth
abibilgin1 1 month ago
just now nearly 8000 armenian citizen from Armenia are working now in Turkey without any trouble, for exact numbers please ask Mr. sarkisyan(president of Armenia)
ilganis 1 month ago 3
@ilganis Does not surprise me.
People are often ready to serve those who killed their family.
Baltvilks 1 month ago
@Baltvilks who killed their families please exactly give the names!
ilganis 1 month ago
THANK U FRANCE, MERCI MES AMIS, LOVE U FRANCE
Mooneyere1 1 month ago
go to hell ermeninan fuck you ermenian
asicene 1 month ago
ԱՅ ԵՍ ՈՃՐԱԳՈՐԾՈՒԹՅԱՆ ՀԱՄԱՐ ԵՆ ՀԻՄԱ ԴԱՏԱՊԱՐՏՎՈՒՄ ՈՒ ՎԱՂ ԹԵ ՈՒՇ ՀԱՏՈՒՑԵԼՈՒ ԵՆ ԱԶԳՈՎԻ
barcifan84 1 month ago
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1890<1915
1890 = ARMENIAN ARF FOUNDED IN TIFLIS (DASHNAKSUTIUN)
SOGOMON TEHLIRIAN KILLED OTTOMAN PRESIDENT TALAT PASHA IN BERLIN IN 1921... HE NEVER ENTERED TO JAIL, GERMANY LET HIM TO GO..
TÜRKİYE KNOW HISTORY VERY WELL, NO NEED TO PUSH TURKS FOR CHANGING HISTORICAL TRUTHS...
ALL DATES AND EVENTS ARE CLEAR TO UNDERSTAND REALITY...
1890<1915
00thelastottoman00 1 month ago
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Armenians claim Anatolia, some Iranian soils, Karabagh, Balcans too...You are sticky Insects armenians...Griboyedov(russian dipomat, 1828) letter to Tsar: "My Tsar, do not let armenians migration to russian lands or they will cling those lands as they do now in Small Caucasus!" Pushkin: "You are lier, you are slave, you are thief you are an armenian"..FROM OLD TİMES ARMENİAN CHARACTER WAS KNOWN TO EVERYBODY!!! wake up world..HİSTORY HAS PENİS İN ARMENİAN ASS!!))
Tural192 1 month ago
fuck greece and fuck armenia
they are criminals and animals!!!
turkey 4 life!!!
jijed2 1 month ago
@jijed2 mesajlarında küfür kullanma küfretmek acizlik ibaresidir.adamlara haklılığımızı bilimsel yolla ispatla
ilganis 1 month ago
@jijed2
don´t forget fuck your grandmother ( maybe an assimilated christian slave)
MrArmangeddon 1 month ago
big fucking lie from armenians!!
they want money so they lie about bullshit like this!!!
FUCK ARMENIA DEATH TO ARMENIAN DOGS!!
TURKEY FOREVER!!!
jijed2 1 month ago
@jijed2
You Turks don´t have enough money to pay for that. stupid child!
MrArmangeddon 1 month ago
armenian be ready for second genocide
ahahahahahahah............
vermilion1333 1 month ago
@vermilion1333
get ready to loose your ass! Peace of shit!
MrArmangeddon 1 month ago
YOU TURKISH PEOPLE ARE PUSSIES.
DJVBasil 1 month ago
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Its Tottally wrong . If we make genocide how this peoples become a country. While ottoman empire at war who attack to womens which husband or father at war?
its enough
Maybe there is some wrong things but no genocide. More turkish peoples killed then armenians. Stiil there ara lots of armenian live in Turkiye and we are a family. Videos like this not show the truth.
erturkcan01 1 month ago
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Its Tottally wrong . If we make genocide how this peoples become a country. While ottoman empire at war who attack to womens which husband or father at war?
its enough
Maybe there is some wrong things but no genocide. More turkish peoples killed then armenians. Stiil there ara lots of armenian live in Turkiye and we are a family. Videos like this not show the truth.
erturkcan01 1 month ago
@nostre81
Dont forget the genocide in 1915 ! 1 000 000!!! Dont forget the Milos Obilic and Skanderberg motherfucking turkey !!! motherfucking !!!
BuddydeRock423 1 month ago
MAN UP ALREADY YOU TURKIC MONGOLS. ADMIT IT.
DJVBasil 1 month ago
@DJVBasil Man up? If i see you in real life i would do stuff to you that makes me want to admit it
bugiej 1 month ago
@bugiej OK OK, YOU INTERNET COMMANDO.
DJVBasil 1 month ago
Armenia is strong? Come on, i am not Turk, Ladino Jew only I am living Turkey. In fact, You change the history, such as France.
oktayhamza 1 month ago
its the true....
feuerdrache2007 1 month ago
@okadar40
You do not seem to know much about Hocali.
Not to mention that before Hocali there was Baku and Sumghait (1990 and 1989) where Armenians were slaughtered just for being Armenians
Baltvilks 1 month ago
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AS A TURK!!! TRUTH BEING CENONOCIDE, BECAUSE ARMANIAN ARE TWISTING THE TRUTH FOR POLITICAL REASONS, MY HOPE ONE DAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT.
edcboatman 2 months ago
turkish genocide /watch?v=Frw4HkJ_TLc
Mardinli47MHP 2 months ago
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I get the hard feeling that the Turks denying this genocide still look at the Armenians as dogs!
But they're not dogs! They are humans!
mamc1986 2 months ago
i really sad for those armenians, they are such a loser people, crying every platform that they found .. and spread their lies... then tell me little armenian shits, before the 1915, why you killed the muslim people in eastern anatolia? why you trait us in our hardest time, when we were fighting against many enemy like russia, france, england, arab traitors etc. you trait us, you killed the muslim people in east anatolia with russians. and you take your answer so hard! fucking gypsies
Oyrad58 2 months ago
ohh mein Gott!!! ich kann nicht das sehen....
Vikko4ka 2 months ago
The Turks will pay a day... RIP my Armenian antcesters
vabilas28 2 months ago
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for all those brainwashed people who believes in the armenian genocide : you have to watch the next video " ARMENIAN SO CALLED GENOCIDE " and please whatch all the 7 episodes!!!!!
This is the real story, and not only told by Turks but by people all over the world!!!!!!!!! So fuck all ya fucking haters, you will never get Turkey bend over! We never bend over and will never bend over!!! We are still growing and dont give a fuck about EU and the USA, Fuck all ya!!!!!!!!
TheFuckgeertwilders 2 months ago
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for all those brainwashed people who believes in the armenian genocide : you have to watch the next video " ARMENIAN SO CALLED GENOCIDE " and please whatch all the 7 episodes!!!!!
This is the real story, and not only told by Turks but by people all over the world!!!!!!!!! So fuck all ya fucking haters, you will never get Turkey bend over! We never bend over and will never bend over!!! We are still growing and dont give a fuck about EU and the USA, Fuck all ya!!!!!!!!
TheFuckgeertwilders 2 months ago
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for all those brainwashed people who believes in the armenian genocide : you have to watch the next video " ARMENIAN SO CALLED GENOCIDE " and please whatch all the 7 episodes!!!!!
This is the real story, and not only told by Turks but by people all over the world!!!!!!!!! So fuck all ya fucking haters, you will never get Turkey bend over! We never bend over and will never bend over!!! We are still growing and dont give a fuck about EU and the USA, Fuck all ya!!!!!!!!
TheFuckgeertwilders 2 months ago
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HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VIDEO ON THE SUBJECT:
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PLEASE PEOPLE FIST LEARN AND THEN TALK
greywolve1453 2 months ago
Turks have been killing Christians not only in Armenia and Asyria but also in a big part of europe such as greece, bulgaria Hungary Czechoslovakia etc... andthat is a FACT. The least the world can do is support the Genocide bill ! At least this will not happen ever again by the turks.. Now we have means to defend our selfs and defen we will should this happen again. If it does, we will take Constantinople back and kick turks further shouth )
MarkoInvindible 2 months ago
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If Turks had really committed GENOCIDE to Armenians, no single Armenian would be alive today! What a bunch of lie! Ottoman Government looked after the whole Armenian people during deportation. Infact the real genocide has been committed to Turks by Armenians. Armenian people are terrorist! We all know very well why you do this..! You are after MONEY and a LAND. ASALA, PKK, HIZBULLAH are all your dirty terrorist organisations. EVIL TERRORISTS!
SEMRAUZ 2 months ago
Stupid clip horse blankets are blue-red armenian flag colours. You can see how armenians stupid. First they charged to Turks with Tashnak guerillas . Kill and rape the people in cities and towns . They are not white as milk. Action-reaction. If you decide to kill someone you must wait for killer.
adygha73 2 months ago
@adygha73 how could they kill anyone if they almost didnt exist and that they were going to perish.. thing logic hayvan
MrGarodig 2 months ago
Armenians, the Kurds was genocide.
m96918 2 months ago
those armenians deserved, they backstabbed our hospitality, but since the frenches offered a state for armenians if ottoman empire dissambles, then those armenians started to kill turks to weaken them....but they made a mistake, the turks got enraged because the armenians betrayed the hospitality....so they drove them out, some killed the murderer of their lost families...so this is what you get...and the most pathetic is, the whole western world are also making a propaganda against turkey
12081985 2 months ago
HERE COME AND RESEARCH HISTORY !
aligevis 2 months ago
LOOK AT HISTORY!!!
aligevis 2 months ago
REALITY CHECK!!
aligevis 2 months ago
WAKE UP ARMENIAN ASSHOLES!!! YOU ARE RUSSIAN'S ,FRENCH'S AND AMERICAN'S SLAVES!! LOOK AT HISTORY !! WE WERE MAINTAINED YOU ONETIME! BUT YOU ALWAYS HAIN TO US!!!!!!
aligevis 2 months ago
ahahaha, horrible un propaganda film.
unchas 2 months ago
so called armenian genocide :)
CoolThumbMan123 2 months ago
Yes indeed we fightet back when turkey came to us capital, we where raging at that moment!! ;l
No one is gonna destroy are capital ;L Even if it is fucking america
Legoman1ish 3 months ago
It is a huge lie!!!
oktayhamza 3 months ago 2
@oktayhamza
If it is the lie then where are the Armenians in Turkey?
Baltvilks 3 months ago 2
@Baltvilks More than 100.000 Armenians live Turkey now. While Armenians were migrating in the Syria, unfortunately most of the Armenians killed and some of them were killed by Turks. As you know, in Eastern Turkey Turks and Kurds people were killed by Armenians. Why do you mention about it?
oktayhamza 3 months ago
@Baltvilks
we deported all of them to ottoman syria an lebanon after most of them moved to France and other Europe countries and USA
mammaTurki 2 months ago
@Baltvilks where are the Muslims in Armenia? 50% was Kurds.... fuck you Armenians you are big Nazis look at wwII you helped to kill Jews
nostre81 2 months ago
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@Baltvilks all of them migrated. and some of them show themselves as "kurds" . dont you know this fucking armenoid. hey armenian bastards. i am a Türk, and i have bad news for you. 100.000 armenian women work in Türkey illegally. and you know whats their profession? they are prostitutes. yes, all of them are prostitutes, believe me or not, their customers are mostly kurds. armenians sell themselves to only 10$. because they are Fuck damn ugly ! take your women back ! we dont need your ugly horn
Oyrad58 1 month ago
@Baltvilks They're everywhere. They even form an official ethnic group in turkey called suryaniler. You fucking morons are so ignorant. I have soooo many Armenian friends in turkey. its only a small group of fucks that licked the asshole of europe because they where christian too.
bugiej 1 month ago
@Baltvilks dude its a lie.so is the burning of smyrna.we all know the greeks did it.thats why the only place of smyna that didnt get burn was the turkish neighborhood.just like in pontus the 350.000 dead bodies discovered in the massive grave were most likely turks dressed as pontic greeks for fun.and then they killed themshelfes for fun or something like that.am i right?
panosmel97 1 month ago
@Baltvilks they have returned their own country after killed babies, wifes and old people in Turkey villages at east while turkish army were fighting in first world war. You are just writing before you learn the truth ,go get learn some information about things armenians done to turkish citizens in years between 1900-1920 ... ignorants
Lordares2323 1 month ago
@oktayhamza I Agree with Baltvilks comment on this, dumbass
Legoman1ish 3 months ago
@Legoman1ish Stupid, talk properly!
oktayhamza 3 months ago
@oktayhamza WELL WELL WELL WHAT HAVE WE GOT HERE???........ANOTHER UNEDUCATED IDIOT
anulik251 2 months ago
@anulik251 fuck u dumbass !!!!
oktayhamza 2 months ago
@oktayhamza FUCK U AND UR RACE FUCKHED!
anulik251 2 months ago
@anulik251 Armenian bastard, my race, fuck armenians like u! racist shit!!
oktayhamza 2 months ago
@oktayhamza IMA FUCK UR FACE UP MOTHERFUCKING IDIOT. UR ASS MAKES US RACIST BITCH!!
anulik251 1 month ago
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@anulik251 im not turk, im ladino jew only im living turkey. In fact, you change the history, such as france. ur racist, ur abuse at hurl. go to hell scurvy!
oktayhamza 1 month ago
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@oktayhamza no i dont believe this ofcourse huge lie
but LONG LIVE OTTOMAN EMPIRE
TheFuckgeertwilders 2 months ago
@oktayhamza FACK YOU
GoodGameBaller 2 months ago
@GoodGameBaller fuck off dumbass!!
oktayhamza 2 months ago
@oktayhamza dumbass cunt bag go fuck yourself u stupid TURK!
GoodGameBaller 2 months ago
@oktayhamza Listen i am extremely patient,but you are really getting on my nerves.Why want you shut up and be quite.You can't change the history.We are strong and you are weak.You cannot defeat Armenians.The plan no Armenians no problems fail,and it always will.
Striker6901 1 month ago
@oktayhamza Armenian genocide is a lie, Greek genocide is a lie, Assyrian genocide is a lie, Kurdish genocide (cultural and physical) is a lie. Guess who is saying it is a lie? Only and only Turks. No one other than Turks in the world say it is a lie. Need I say more?
amelli5555 1 month ago