As a Roman Catholic and an aspiring history teacher, I adore the Byzantine variant of polyphonic chant as well as the pre-Gregorian form....it is so much closer to the Byzantine style that it's quite haunting. I completely agree with you, littlerudegirrrrl. As someone who is perfectly comfortable attending Mass in Western or Eastern Rite churches as well as Orthodox, I see the sanctity in both and wish everyone could focus on the points we SHARE, not the points that divide us.
Growing up Greek Orthodox, I wonder. Why must you guys always talk about how other churches changed so much? Yeah, maybe the west didn't want to be like the guys in the east. So what? everyone goes through life questioning whatever's being thrown at them, so they ended up splitting and having their own points of view about faith. So what? i know I been through that! Now I'm a "heathen"
Byzantine chanters always seem to have deeper voices than Old Roman chanters. Or maybe it's just that here they speak Greek (thus making it Byzantine), while in the West, they spoke Latin (making it Old Roman). Really makes the Byzantine chanting unmistakable. But Old Roman seriously does sound almost the same, I wish Holy Mother Church could reinstitute Old Roman Chant for the holiest basilicas.
@IlStudioso They sound the same because it's the same singers singing them! I thought the same thing about Mozarabic Chant, until I realized that the cd I have was made by the same group of Greek Byzantine Cantors. They're doing all different types of chants in the Church.
@Azariah197 : Actually there is only one chanter who is the same in these chants, Mr Lycourgos Angelopoulos. In byzantine chants he is directing his own choir, the Greek Byzantine Choir. In Old Roman chants or Mozarabic chants etc he is only a guest performer of the group Ensemble Organum, which has nothing to do with his own choir. His interpretation in western chants, although flavoured by his personal style is in the lines of the Ensemble and its director...
@Azariah197 : Also, most people tend to say old roman chants sound like byzantine ones based only on the similarity of style. This similarity comes from the fact that Ensemble Organum tries to interpret western chants on non-tempered scales, as they were performed back in the 1st millenium. Of course they have been influenced by eastern chanters but I can tell you that I know byzantine music and these chants sound quite western to me, despite the certain eastern flavour.
@IlStudioso The Roman Church has changed much since then. They are now a religious organisation apart from true Church of Christ because of their pride. The True Church still preserves the holy Tradition intact
A major difference is that this music is still in use in the Eastern (Orthodox) Church and thus it is part the act of worship, whereas Old Roman Chant unfortunately has passed into a state of a "museum exhibit".
The byz. chant is unmistakable not because of deeper voices, but because of special intervals (used very precisely by L. Angelopouos and his choir). Simply, compared with the latin singing, in the gammut C D E F G a h c ... the tones E and h are lower (intervals DE, ah are a 3/4+ tone, not a whole tone).
As a Roman Catholic and an aspiring history teacher, I adore the Byzantine variant of polyphonic chant as well as the pre-Gregorian form....it is so much closer to the Byzantine style that it's quite haunting. I completely agree with you, littlerudegirrrrl. As someone who is perfectly comfortable attending Mass in Western or Eastern Rite churches as well as Orthodox, I see the sanctity in both and wish everyone could focus on the points we SHARE, not the points that divide us.
vampirehunteramanda 7 months ago
Growing up Greek Orthodox, I wonder. Why must you guys always talk about how other churches changed so much? Yeah, maybe the west didn't want to be like the guys in the east. So what? everyone goes through life questioning whatever's being thrown at them, so they ended up splitting and having their own points of view about faith. So what? i know I been through that! Now I'm a "heathen"
littlerudegirrrrl 8 months ago
@littlerudegirrrrl ..........a Wiccan??! .
acerb45666555 5 months ago
@acerb45666555 not neccesarily i do want to explore Wicca but my current beliefs involve the Norse and Greek gods
littlerudegirrrrl 5 months ago
you are singing in this choir?
danielklistos 9 months ago
This is so beautiful! With such passion
MariaVesper 10 months ago
Hellenic Byzantine Choir directed by Lykourgos Aggelopoulos.
One of the 2-3 best choirs in the Christianity.
pavloskouris 10 months ago
music para el maestro de maestros
coronuevajerusalen 1 year ago
I've never heard of this type of chant, just gregorian
DARKSHATOW 1 year ago
@DARKSHATOW :
To put it simply:
- Gregorian chant is the medieval sacred chant of Christian Churches following the Roman Rite.
- Byzantine chant is the medieval sacred chant of Christian Churches following the Constantinopolitan Rite.
Callixtinus 1 year ago
Αναστασεως Ημερα.Η πιο χαρμοσυνη ημερα της Χριστιανοσυνης.
7koloniotis 1 year ago
Byzantine chanters always seem to have deeper voices than Old Roman chanters. Or maybe it's just that here they speak Greek (thus making it Byzantine), while in the West, they spoke Latin (making it Old Roman). Really makes the Byzantine chanting unmistakable. But Old Roman seriously does sound almost the same, I wish Holy Mother Church could reinstitute Old Roman Chant for the holiest basilicas.
IlStudioso 2 years ago 10
@IlStudioso They sound the same because it's the same singers singing them! I thought the same thing about Mozarabic Chant, until I realized that the cd I have was made by the same group of Greek Byzantine Cantors. They're doing all different types of chants in the Church.
Azariah197 1 year ago
@Azariah197 : Actually there is only one chanter who is the same in these chants, Mr Lycourgos Angelopoulos. In byzantine chants he is directing his own choir, the Greek Byzantine Choir. In Old Roman chants or Mozarabic chants etc he is only a guest performer of the group Ensemble Organum, which has nothing to do with his own choir. His interpretation in western chants, although flavoured by his personal style is in the lines of the Ensemble and its director...
Callixtinus 1 year ago
@Azariah197 : Also, most people tend to say old roman chants sound like byzantine ones based only on the similarity of style. This similarity comes from the fact that Ensemble Organum tries to interpret western chants on non-tempered scales, as they were performed back in the 1st millenium. Of course they have been influenced by eastern chanters but I can tell you that I know byzantine music and these chants sound quite western to me, despite the certain eastern flavour.
Callixtinus 1 year ago
@Callixtinus I thought (and hoped) that you'd respond ;) I'd been curious about these serie for quite some time now. Thanks for the info.
Azariah197 1 year ago
@IlStudioso The Roman Church has changed much since then. They are now a religious organisation apart from true Church of Christ because of their pride. The True Church still preserves the holy Tradition intact
Seraphimion 1 year ago
A major difference is that this music is still in use in the Eastern (Orthodox) Church and thus it is part the act of worship, whereas Old Roman Chant unfortunately has passed into a state of a "museum exhibit".
kokoskrikkos 10 months ago
The byz. chant is unmistakable not because of deeper voices, but because of special intervals (used very precisely by L. Angelopouos and his choir). Simply, compared with the latin singing, in the gammut C D E F G a h c ... the tones E and h are lower (intervals DE, ah are a 3/4+ tone, not a whole tone).
VelkyInkvizitor 9 months ago
His voice is unmistakable :)
franzsapka 2 years ago 2
So mystical beauty of the byzantine chant
Charby10 3 years ago 6
Lycourgos Angelopoulos isn't it ?
Rafostro 3 years ago 2
Yes
Callixtinus 3 years ago