Yes, it does hurt Scripture! Any teaching about the Kingdom of God without reference to what Jesus says about the need to be born of the Spirit (John 3) before you can enter it leaves the undiscerning listener with false expectations about how the Kingdom is found. It suggests that one can enter the Kingdom through following Jesus' example, ... no need for His death and resurrection then. And no need for receiving the Holy Spirit. Very misleading, sorry.
What is he trying to say @ 2:00? That we should make murderers, rapists, and people like that our FRIENDS?????? LOL - Screwed up theology to the max. ONE WORLD RELIGION supporter, right there....... LOL
@deborahjoshuajustin2:00 easily gives away that he isn't a true Christian. Jesus did NOT say that you should be friends with everybody and that NOBODY is your enemy! When Jesus was saying this, He was saying that as believers WE should lead others to Himself - NOT ignore people's bad behavior and agree with THEIR lifestyle!!!
@deborahjoshuajustin I suggest you to read the sermon on the mount.I'm not a great fan of emerging movement, but this video doesn't hurt Scripture at all.
his understanding of the kingdom of God is a panentheistic understanding of the kingdom. Because of this, he can't distinguish the difference between the earthly kingdom and heavenly kingdom. His ideas are also pegalian. The kingdom is all GOd's work rather than man's work. Also, within the new heaven and hew earth, there will be hierarchy not the abstract notion of equality that many of the emerging church have adopted. John Calvin and CS Lewis states that noone will be equal in heaven
Jesus reigns in the hearts of all believers, God has written his laws in the hearts and minds of all believers. When you get baptized into Christ you become a new man, a new creation in Christ. Your old man is put of, and you put on Christ. You no longer live according to this world of the flesh, but you live in the spirit. The holy spirit is your only teacher, and it is he that makes you want to do the will of your father in heaven. The Kingdom of God is not a earthly kingdom.
Gods Kingdom is not of this world, its a heavenly kingdom where Jesus sits and reigns now. Christians belong to the Isreal from above, the heavenly Isreal. Where there is no temple, because the temple is the body of believers, its a spiritual temple been built up in the likeness of Christ. Each believer is a royal preist and a liiving stone. Real Christians put no faith in the creation (the earth) but the creator. Christians are the "called out ones" who's lives are hid with Christ.
I believe our struggle for Kingdom of God and His justice ((Mt 6, 33) begins here on Earth as well - through our change of heart, cleansing of mind and repentance with God´s power, inspiration and our free will we can then ask, and we will be given; seek, and we will find; knock, and it will be open unto us (Mt 7, 7). Let the change (turn) happen, succumb to His will, accept and use His gifts accordingly and be vigilant for His return to fulfil and rule the Kingdom in full glory and justice.
@originaltbyrd you could probably say the same thing about Jesus... I read *some* or his teachings and man... he had a lot of things wrong. Blessed are the poor in spirit? What an idiot. The poor in spirit aren't blessed! Those who mourn... they lose. That's not how the world works. He obviously has no clue. Flee his deceitful teachings!
Or... maybe McLaren is right, at least some of the time, about the teachings of Jesus... He really DOES want us to work with him and bring heaven to now
Luke 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is (1) within you. (1) Or in the midst of you)
Matthew 6:33 But seek* ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. * the Greek word zeteo - one of the meanings is "aspire after"
Oh dear....., how come you talk about the Kingdom without talking about the cross? God is holy and we should all be crushed by Him and His fierce anger. Our own works are nothing, no change of heart is possible without God making us "worms" into new creatures in Christ. Wake up! Jesus talked more about hell than any of the apostles. Surely Christ came to bring some of us to heaven and the rest to hell. If not what would you say Jesus did on the cross?
To me the Kingdom of God on earth is one who abids by the government He brings and after the Judgement it is one of Justice, where as waters over the earth, people will have the Knowledge of God, i.e. all are reborn. and that Day will not be followed by night, we become one global community where He has lead us into all truth. Imagine and age of Justice and one where all are clearly conscious of God, all know the face of God,and it will be the age of Maturity, No more silliness.
HE was talking about both, the Kingdom on Earth, and in your soul, which is attainment to --certitude in Chirst., a maturity in your spiritual life, completed the process if rebirth.
and the true marks of one who is a citizen,who truely has jesus as his king is OBEDIENCE TO HIS LAWS. it isnt obedience that makes you a citizen of his kingdom, but entering the kingdom thru him and making him you king. but the proof that he is your king is obedience to his laws..and his laws are not grevious, but it is the perfect law of liberty. those who hate his laws are tyrants, and they will be removed and distroyed in the end.
and acording to the gospel of john, he is not only "the word" and "the seed" that must fall to the ground and die to bare much fruit, he is alsoTHE DOOR, THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE....at the center of all of jesus teachings is himself, because he is God in the flesh, and king og this kingdom, and the only way of entrance into it. if you are not born again into this kingdom through him, by repentance and faith in him, he is not your king, and you are not a citizen of his kingdom.
he was the first fruits of the resurection..and the children of the kingdom must now continue to grow and mature in the power of the holy spirit until the day of the harvest when the king returns to sit on his throne and the angels gather the wheat from the tares, and the tares are burned in the fire.
because the word..the seed, became flesh...and this seed, as he began to teach somewhere in the middle of his ministry, had to die and be sown, to bring forth much fruit. in the parable of the wheat and the tares the seed is the children of the kingdom growing among the seed of the wicked one. this is because jesus falling to the ground as a grain of wheat in the process sowed more seeds which were the children of the kingdom. jesus, rising from the grave became the firstfruits .
the reason he spoke this way was because, he himself was the seed being sown...the word of the kingdom in matther..in mark the seed is explained as 'the word" and in luke, "the word of God." in john we see that the word is God who became flesh. in revelations 19 his name is "the word of God." and out of his mouth goes a sharp sword. in rev. ch 1 it is a two edged sword. in hebrews 4 the word of God is sharper than any twoedged sword..and all the charactoristics of the word of God were in jesus.
jesus continually compares the kingdom of God to a growing crop. and all though the message was preached as at hand in those days, yet he said it was in their midst...since the time of john the baptist till christ, he said every man pressed into it. it was in the hearts of those who accepted the Gospel of the kingdom. but the centerpiece of all of this was always jesus christ. he kept them at that time thru the name of the father.but most of the parables spoke of the near future and distant .
I hope God will open many people's eyes and hearts about this message because it will, not get anyone very far with God. When salvation becomes me bringing God's kingdom into this world-I do not think it ever worked out. The Catholics thought they were dloing that and 100 yrs ago liberals preached the exact same message about heaven on eartyh. Liberals reached McKinley and saw after we stopped fighting Spain-that if we bought the Philippines we would see heaven on earth over there
Jesus said not OF this world..because the Kingdom is in you, those who accepted Jesus and it needs to be put into action so you can bring that Kingdom here on earth.that is His purpose for humans here on earth to bring back the kingdom that was lost to Adam. the earth is of the Lord and EVERYTHING that dwells in it. the WORLD you are speaking of is the sin of mankind and material lust.
listen to Dr. Myles Munroe for deeper understanding of the Kingdom of God. Talking about the King, His Territory, His Law and Government, His Subjects and His purpose to advance Heaven's Kingdom here on earth thru His subjects.
What a wonderful message,.That is the same way in which I view the Kingdom of God..It is here now, God's will be done NOW! That is what the gospels are all about!
Walking in obedience to our God, and sharing his love worldwide! And it will be even greater at the time of The Rapture, that is when we will be reconciled with God forever in his Kingdom!
I don't know this man's teachings except this video. But it sounds like religion. Unless there is a second birth and the indwelling of the Spirit of God that precipitates these things spoken about in this video. Then it is all mans work trying to do something for God. (religion)
Religion (even the Christian Religion) is evil. Kingdom life is gracious given, and is life eternal.
@yeshua4U Not sure if I would agree with all you said but you do hit on some good points. For myself even more so today there is an element missing that being faith in Christ. I used to query because of the criptures of why did God use people who were maybe not as smart or blessed with a lot of wealth(not that God does notuse those either) but to me the whole point of this is to see God uses the weak, the profane, stupid, and anythingwe can think of-why-because only God will get the credit
Jesus teaches The KINGDON of Heaven and the KINGDON of GOD, First public statement and even after his death, Repent for the KINGDON of HEAVEN is near!!!!!
All through Matthew, thats all he talked about!!!!!Matthew 3:1
Brian always floors me by how much good he can say and yet how much damage all the good can be framed to do. With all his talk of post-modern "both-and" thinking- why he makes this an either or is beyond me. Mark's Gospel shows Jesus' message primarily was- repentance and faith bring forgiveness and with it kingdom citizenship. That includes us in the eternal kingdom to come and the community of the kingdom now- which lives out the ethic and proclaims the invitation to God's forgiveness.
The Kingdom of GOD is something far more important. It is what Christ was sent for (Luke 4:43].This Kingdom has yet to take place. Remember, ''Prove all things'' 1Thessalonians5:21. Want to know what the KOG is?
REV2V26, REV5V9, REV11V15, MATT 19V27-29, MATT5V5, 1COR6, MICAH4, ISAIAH 11, REV20V1-6, REV 1V5-7,DAN7V18, 27, Luke 1:32–33, LUKE19V15, JHN5V28-29
AFTER 1000 YR REIGN
REV20V7-15 ----Satan loosed for a short time, White throne judgement
what he says in this video is for the most part correct, but overall, this man's teaching is the doctrine of demons that the New Testament warns against.
bravo friend- you are correct! the KINGDOM OF GOD- IS JESUS GOSPEL about the Kingdom to come "HERE ON EARTH" with JESUS as the KING! for now satan is the GOD of this world (earth) but will be removed soon! AWESOME-
Mat 5:29 And if your right eye causes you to offend, pluck it out, and cast it from you: for it is better for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:29 And if your right eye causes you to offend, pluck it out, and cast it from you: for it is better for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
paul borto is closed minded....i appreciate this video for giving a fresh outlook on jesus' original message of love and the school of the cynics .. Bravo !
Christianity and Catholicism aren't separate - Protestantism and Catholicism are separate - and not by that much. No matter how one tries to separate their protestant (i.e. Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, etc) faith from Catholicism - much of Catholicism is retained - the bible you read from was put together by the early Catholic Church. So the criticizing the Catholic faith is simply criticizing another branch of the Christian faith, which is of course your right, as you seek truth.
If the half of Christianity would understand the history of the 66 books of the bible, especially the new testament writings - and understand the interpretation of those text through Western eyes - they would understand they are much off the mark. Brian has captured the essence of Jesus message before Paul repackaged it for the masses, who happened to be polythiestic. Read and study the anatomy of the Bible and understand that Yeshua came preaching THE KINGDOM now - and not "pie in the sky"-
Re:14:6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,Re:14:7:.Lu:12:51: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: M't:10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword
.M't:24:7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
2Pe:3:7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the
heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe:3:13: Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
M't:24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Heb:11:13: These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Bruce McLaren is teaching the heresy there is no lake of fire for the wicked when they die (Rev. 20:11-15). He believes everyone goes to heaven whether they believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior or not! To be saved from your sins you must believe in the gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Gods only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Lets pray for Bruce and his followers to seek after the true gospel, not the false gospel of universalism.
This gospel , well , is OK.! And as we are the ecclesia, there is still a lot we can do to see God's kingdom here on earth, win souls ,affect our generation, advance the kingdom and even see revival in our time. However ,there is another side too, our time here is finite and small, we must remember where we are going to spend eternity. It is there that we will be rewarded for all that we accomplished on this side of eternity What is the point if we gain the whole world but lose out in eternity?
Ummm St3ven50 I believe Brian was saying that we have edited the Lords' Prayer in the way we act, and he was highlighting the actual words it uses. If you think about he isn't editing it at all. I wish people would listen to what this man says and not to what other people say about him. The whole Left and Right thing in the US is not from God. Can't we just agree on Jesus and take bread and wine together? After all the first words of the Lords prayer are "Our Father"
There is also a huge difference between Christianity and Catholicism.
And I will tell you the difference, Christianity teachers the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, OF GOD, 1Co:15:50: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
Catholicism. TEACHERS that the KINGDOM, OF GOD, is a mixture of RELIGION AND POLITICS, alien to the EARLY CHURCH.
Brian's message gives us much to think about. However, I dont totally agree with Brian. Ive met so many do-gooders in the world, people who are not Christians but who do many good things. A Christian is one who can and should do all these good things, but who also speaks the saving truth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for our sins, was raised from the dead and ascended into heaven so that we could have eternal and abundant life. That's the kingdom of heaven that Jesus lives for.
Wolfs in sheeps clothes how did the Pope get the PAGAN title PONIFEX MAXIMUS, PONTIFF POPE,PAPA,
And who gave the catholic church the authority to turn the church of the living God, in to a riligio-political system.and to Install the inquisition and put to death bible believing Christians,
Its as plain, as the nose on your face that the millings that were saluted would not have happened without the political arm of the Papacy, THAY SALT NOT KILL, Hypocrites.
What man can ever EDIT the words the King of Kings said? Who is man to even compare to God... For out of our mouths are just words, but when God speaks the Heavens shake, and Creation is born! So what man can say let us CHANGE the Lords prayer... The Answer: There is None!
Jeez...you didnt get it did you? He is saying the way christians behave we might as well change the Lord's prayer to "our father, may we go to heaven." when Jesus said, "Thy kingdom come, they will be done, on EARTH as it is in heaven!"
By the way Brian, Beautiful video this is great I realized this truth too. Jesus speaks clearly about what your saying in the bible and I applaud and enjoy the fact that you speak truth. I don't really understand why you say the message is "disturbing" unless you mean the fact that so many people don't actually follow the teachings.
The kingdom of God is completly the opposite the kingdom of men. If you move with ease through this kingdom you are not in God's kingdom. The modern church opperates no different that any company in the US.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
He also said faith alone does not bring you into the kingdom of heaven but works. Don't be ignorant. If you don't believe you will never follow and if you never follow you will never recieve God's blessings. You don't just "believe" what does that mean anyways. You could believe that you believe but that doesn't mean you actually believe you just "think" you do. True belief is shown through practice and showing an example. The churches today astound me with their ignorance.
Jesus said "don't be a hypocrite decieving yourselves." If you only "Believe" whatever that means? You are a hypocrite, for example, I could go on a shooting spree and say "I believe in Christ". Obviously my actions prove that I don't really believe in it. You have to purify your heart to enter the kingdom of heaven and recieve God's Grace. And the way to purify your heart is through prayer and following Jesus's word by becoming sinless.
In other words you will not see the beauty(Heaven) that is on this earth until you purify your heart and become sinless. Once you are sinless continue praying and blessings should come into your life.
I see many people who quote Jesus in a very ignorant way and like I said it astounds me, I don't see why it is so hard to understand that you do actually have to put an effort into following Jesus's word and not just "Believe". It is like your trying to justify laziness and sins by saying "All you have to do is Believe." No the truth is you believe and do, and your doing shows that you believe.
wow, thats alot of posts! well, i will respond for the last time, to just one thing because this can keep going on and on :) ... *Don't lean to your own understanding*..now having watched a multitude of youtube videos and read about the different sets of rules and faiths within the Christian tradition. And there are MANY. If fact it seems, someone is always undercutting someone else. No i have the truth, oh no I have it!!..seems there are many different *own* understandings of the bible already.
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." There will be a new heavens and a new earth! People will live in an earthly paradise and that is why Jesus said to pray for God's Will to come onto this earth. The New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven. Read about it in Revelations 21. The 144,000 chosen will ascend into heaven at the end of times to reign as kings and priest under Christ Jesus.
What if we are in the New Heavens and earth NOW....Sounds impossible until one sees what world Jesus was speaking of.
Jesus defined the world in John 15:18-25... the world that hated Jesus and His disciples did so because it was written in their Law... consider... who had the Law... therein is the answer of what world ended in the true Last days nearly 2000 years ago.
Read the scriptures asking God for vision... they will open up in a whole new light.
S.T.F.U Mclarin.. false teacher. Blind as a bat. YOU know nothing about the Lord's Prayer. go get a life as a social worker or a politician.....YOU KNOW NOTHING about JESUS and THE FATHER.
The Kingdom of God is. It can't be built, expanded, etc... It is the rule and reign of Christ. Its powers can be felt in the present and is demonstrated by our love for one another. Words are cheap, the Gospel is a lifestyle accompanied by words.
All the people saying the Brian is a heretic and that he doesn't preach repentance need to stop listening to what everyone is telling them and pick up his book " A Generous Orthodoxy." and read chapter 4. The whole Chapter is about sin, repentance and God's Judgement. Mclaren points out that salvation involves both Judgement and Forgiveness. He is a true man of God and has a lot more fruit than all his critics and haters. Who are doing zero to point people to Christ.
I wonder how his words are wrong...that Jesus taught us to live - that faith would transform our lives and how we treat other people. I don't understand how living what Jesus taught is wrong...Lots of people seem to think Brian McLaren is the antichrist or something. He just raises some great questions about how Jesus would want us to be living out our faith.
Living what Jesus taught is not wrong, but repentance and faith are very much a part of the equation. Brian McLaren denies that the Lord Jesus Christ, paid the penalty for sins, which is the cardinal doctrine of salvation. You can live the life of Jesus, until you take your dirt nap, and if you are not born again, you will be cast into eternal punishment.
(Matthew 7:21,22). It is not our faith that transforms, it is The Holy Spirit who lives and works in His children
Friend, being born again = living like Jesus. One cannot claim faith in Christ without walking in his footsteps.
Jesus did not call us to just be believers, but to be followers.
True it is His grace that saves us, not our deeds. And His Holy Spirit that transforms us, not our own effort. But the Spirit wont transform us if we don't cooperate with it.
You become more like Christ by walking with him, meaning doing the work he did, work to build the Kingdom here on earth through acts of love.
yeah....a change like in you? .... You can most probably be *saved* by being a good person and showing deep humanism, aka empathy and compassion to other human beings. More than you can be *saved* by just being a die hard fundamentalist christian. Who like you, dont seem to be very forgiving ironically, where s your empathy to those so called *emergent trash*?
*We were all trash in God's eyes once so stop being emotional.*...... er......ok....
i think what you say speaks for itself. You may be christian, but you strike me neither as kind, sympathetic, compassionate or well reasoned. And THIS is what you call glory to God, who im sure had specifically THIS type of glory in mind. In order for it to be ...*on earth as it is in heaven* .... you really need to check out some of that love Jesus was talking about. I believe he said it was for EVERYBODY.
If we could combine all the experiences of all the people on this planet and all those who ever lived. We may understand a little more about what is this, central truth. Anyways, the whole saving thing is quite outmoded. Are you saying that people before the *birth* of jesus were not saved? if so, fundamentalist christianity still has a long way to go before reaching the love *Jesus* was talking about.
We were never trash in God's eyes. If we were, He obviously would have never cared enough about us to send Jesus. I think there is too much Augustinianism in your statement and not enough Scripture. We are spiritually depraved before we are saved and baptized by God's Spirit, but He never saw us as worthless. Emotionality is as human as rationality -- Jesus was emotionally sensitive.
I thought placing one's faith in Christ is what saves a person. Faith isn't just belief. It's a way of living.
Different traditions have different emphases. God is transcendent and holy, but God is also immanent and relational.
God IS sovereign to save whom He wills. But the way you talk ("to demonstrate His attributes") I'd wager you're a Calvinist, but I agree with you here because I'm a Christian universalist. The attribute that most characterizes God is love. Nowhere does the Bible say "God is sovereignty" or "God is holiness," although He is both of those things, but it does say "God is love."
I haven't taking one side of the coin. That God is a consuming fire is metaphor. Fire refines. God can be comprehended through his revelation, and the greatest revelation is in the person of Jesus. If God were so Other that his attributes were incomparable to our own, it would be utterly meaningless to say "God is just," because we'd have no idea what could possibly be meant by this. He condescends to our level because, though we are fallen and backward, he still loves us and wants us.
That is a metaphor. A literal interpretation would be that God is a plasmic state of matter -- but I think we can safely rule out this option.
I believe that all three personae of the Trinity are divine, although I wouldn't say I'm totally okay with how the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed describes their relationship. My view is more subordinationistic.
First, Psalms isn't the book for constructing a sound theology. It's men speaking of God, not God speaking of men. Second, hate does not mean "loathe." God did not "loathe" the feasts he himself established (Amos). He was disgusted by them. God did not "loathe" Esau (Malachi, Romans). God's character is revealed in Jesus, the most compassionate person to ever live.
Setting Hebrew hyperbole aside, in the NT, Jesus did not ask us to "loathe" our parents. In Greek, hate, when paralleled with love, is an idiom for preferring one over another. Even so, humanity has a different relation with God because of Jesus. God still exercises wrath, but we're living in an age of grace and reconciliation. It was God's plan from the beginning to raise up humanity, but just as a parent is firm and restrictive with a child, God was firm and restrictive with the Israelites.
"2 Tim. 3:16 says all of Scripture is...God-breathed, so you cannot simply pick and choose what part of Scripture you want to emphasis and give greater meaning to."
If you take all Scriptures to be literal or equally normative, you're going to run into a lot of problems. Do you emphasize the book of James as much as you do Romans? lol
I said, when structured parallel to the word "love," it is part of an idiom -- to prefer one thing over another. The word by itself does not have this meaning.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. But since Jesus is the ultimate self-revelation of God, shouldn't we use his life and character to measure and perhaps properly reinterpret the events and dealings with God in the OT?
Some Neo-Calvinists (the theonomists) wouldn't even go that far. They'd say that civil laws still should be used to bring the secular world into submission to Christ.
Who said no one is going to hell? I didn't. I believe the last thing to perish is death itself and that all things will eventually be subject to Christ, and that all who died in Adam will be made righteous in Jesus (Rom 5:18). But I do believe in the lake of fire. The meaning of the word "aionios" in Greek is debatable, but other things such that God intends to save -- and Christ died for -- all people. Those are some reasons I embrace the doctrine of universal reconciliation.
"Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men."
With this structure, "all" can't mean "all individuals" in the first case and "all kinds" in the second. That's pure eisegesis.
The Puritans were tyrannical legalists, who were terrified that they weren't members of "the elect." I don't read them for their theology, but for their literature's historical value.
Ana oun os enos paraptomatos eis pantas anthropous eis katakrima, outos kai oi enos dikaimatos eis pantas anthropous eis dikaisin zoes.
The words prosphero (offer) and charismatos (gift) is not even in the clause. Corrupt Catholic texts? The Catholics have their own manuscripts? lol I don't like the NIV. I do usually use the NASB. But I usually check the Greek if I'm really interested in a passage.
Alexandrian manuscripts are some of the oldest and most reliable in the NT. The Textus Receptus, if I recall, was based off of the Byzantine Majority text, and its manuscripts are from a much later period. It's an outdated collection, and we have better manuscripts now, ones that are closer to the source. But I'm not going to argue over KJVOism and its conspiracy theories.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Linus was the first bishop of Rome. I agree that Peter did not found the Roman church. It was most likely founded by Roman Jews who were in Jerusalem for Pentecost.
The KJV wasn't the first English Bible or even the first "authorized" English Bible.
The Comma Johanneum SHOULD be removed. It's most likely a later insertion. It's missing in the Codices Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, and Vaticanus, the Syriac and Coptic traditions, and most church fathers' translations.
Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Hippolytus of Rome, Tertullian (the first one to use the term "Trinity"!), and Cyprian don't have the Comma in their translations. Irenaeus was the disciple of Polycarp, the disciple of John himself, and even HE doesn't include the Comma. What more evidence do you need?
Actually, "upon" would be a better translation if the preposition used were epi. Eis is usually translated "into." Paul often leaves out verbs, expecting his readers to know what he means, and the English translations fill them in. Here there is no word "came" in the aorist or any other tense.
The doctrine of penal substitution is only as old as Calvin. It was based off of Anselm's satisfaction theory, but the theory of atonement for the first thousand years of Christian history was that Christ came to save us primarily from Satan, sin, and death -- not from his Father. God's mercy lies IN his justice and his justice in his mercy. They are not contradictory attributes. We are justified through Christ's life as well as his death, and we are also saved through his resurrection.
"Theory shmeory. I don't get my doctrines from men, but the Bible. If the Bible says it then I believe it. Are you lukewarm? Maybe you are looking for a God that doesn't exist, but I tell you if you lack repentance you will perish."
So you don't believe the Bible requires interpreting (for you)? And you honestly don't think that your interpretations are the product of millenia of doctrinal development? Don't preach at me. I'm a Christian.
Eventually, yes. I think God loves Adolph Hitler, too. And Stalin. And Mao. And Pol Pot. And me. And you. We can either experience the Spirit of God as sweet and serene in this life, or tormenting and unpleasant in the next. I don't know what this entails. Either way his spirit will refine us, make us what he wants us to be, and we will all confess Jesus to the glory of God the Father -- God is not glorified through lip service, only sincere faith.
"The emergent church movement is NOT historical Christianity and is a cult."
Calvinism is also NOT historical Christianity. Puritan literature is nothing like early Christian literature. Your definition of "cult" must be pretty inclusive. Do you even know what postmodernism is?
I don't mind arguing with other Christians, as long as it's cordial and in the interest of finding God's truth. Sorry if I got a little cool with you. =]
Comparing Brian Mclaren to Jesus is like comparing horse manure to Gold. Brian Mclaren denies every cardinal doctrine of the Faith, and is the spirit of antichrist. and unlike most of of his followers who are ignorant of scripture, HE KNOWS THE TRUTH and denies it...Mr. Mclaren is not a heretic, he is an apostate... and as each day passes he comes closer to his final judgement...
thats what you have been tought i assume? That anybody who does not think as you or hold the same dogmas as you do is bound for hell? How is that different from any islamic or hindu fundamentalist? As much as you may feel you need to judge this man just try to let go of that....
Hey boomac62, The historic doctrines of the Christian faith are CLEARLY taught in God's Word, the Holy Bible, and exclusivity is one of the things That Jesus Christ was very clear about. He was also very clear about The doctrine of HELL and Eternal punishment for those who refuse to believe...Brian Mclaren Denies these and most other doctrines of the faith. It is not a matter of what I have been taught, It is a matter of What the Bible says...
well....thats not really true, at least in part. eternal punishment you say? Find the greek word translated 'eterna;" in the NT, then also find out all the other ways that word was translated, i think you may be putting you faith in a persons translation and not the original word....it is important to study hard....
Actually I have done a Greek word study on the word Aion, which is often translated "eternal," "everlasting" and "ever and ever." And although it is true that Aion can refer to different spans of time, There is usually a scripture, often within the context of the verse that confirms the translation
as Eternal... for example Matthew 18:8-9, gehenna is called "everlasting" (Aionios) Fire.
The parellel passage in Mark 9:44-48 states that Gehenna is where "the fire is not quenched." _continued-
By comparing parellel passages we see that fire that is not quenched, continually burns, or ...is eternal. Another verse is John 3:16 States that believers have "Everlasting" life, qualified by the next phrase in the verse, "Shall not perish. if you never perish, then you live forever....everlasting life. A third and perhaps the most important example is found in Matthew 25: 46 where aionios is translated both "Everlasting" life and "Eternal' PUNISHMENT.
From John 3:16 we see that that the life of the believer, is eternal,
Then it logically follows that the everlasting life and Eternal Punishment in Matthew are the same duration of time....everlasting... Jesus was Contrasting the types of afterlife, and shown that both were of equal duration...
Now... if The Fire of Gehenna is eternal, and punishment is eternal, Is there a specific passage that states the unsaved will be eternally punished in hell?- yes...Revelation 14 verse 10 -continued-
Revelation 14 verse 10 and 11 states that "the smoke of the torment, Will rise "forever and ever," (AION used twice) the duration of the torment is shown to be Eternal by the fact that they "have NO REST, The tormented will never have rest, therefore, their punishment must be eternal, because logicly if the duration of the punishment was not eternal, they would eventually have rest...
Context, comparison, and contrast all show the validity of Eternal punishment in the Bible...
The emergent types will tell you that it is the Height of Arrogance to claim to Know the truth, I say, You CAN know the truth, and if you know it, and continue in it you are set free... This statement is from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself. Sorry i had to post so much. Afterlife is not something you can discuss in a 500 character post...lol Thanks for your reply...
I love Brian's clear and concise take on theology. It makes so much more sense than this "personal" faith so many people profess but who lack compassion for others.
WARNING!! Brian McLaren is not a REAL Christian! He is making up lies about the Bible and is now attacking Christians for believing in Jesus and his return and denies that The state of Israel and the jewish people are God's chosen as stated in the Bible. Brian Mclaren is also Obama's new assistant on a new bill passed called the hate crime bill and stated he wants to destroy the Christian majority and its belief as Jesus will return. He is a Heretic! Brian Mclaren is a wolf in sheeps clothing
"Not from individuals per se but from entire societies"
You just contradicted scipture, God mentions many times in the bible that ww should come OUT of the ways of this world, which are in majority, corrupt and sinful.
'Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins Rev 18:4
God has destroyed entire cities when only a few of Gods people have come out of her for safety. It is the individual and not society, which is sick, that God wants.
Yes, it does hurt Scripture! Any teaching about the Kingdom of God without reference to what Jesus says about the need to be born of the Spirit (John 3) before you can enter it leaves the undiscerning listener with false expectations about how the Kingdom is found. It suggests that one can enter the Kingdom through following Jesus' example, ... no need for His death and resurrection then. And no need for receiving the Holy Spirit. Very misleading, sorry.
gcombrinck 4 hours ago
What is he trying to say @ 2:00? That we should make murderers, rapists, and people like that our FRIENDS?????? LOL - Screwed up theology to the max. ONE WORLD RELIGION supporter, right there....... LOL
deborahjoshuajustin 1 week ago
@deborahjoshuajustin 2:00 easily gives away that he isn't a true Christian. Jesus did NOT say that you should be friends with everybody and that NOBODY is your enemy! When Jesus was saying this, He was saying that as believers WE should lead others to Himself - NOT ignore people's bad behavior and agree with THEIR lifestyle!!!
deborahjoshuajustin 1 week ago
@deborahjoshuajustin I suggest you to read the sermon on the mount.I'm not a great fan of emerging movement, but this video doesn't hurt Scripture at all.
vicscorsi 1 week ago
his understanding of the kingdom of God is a panentheistic understanding of the kingdom. Because of this, he can't distinguish the difference between the earthly kingdom and heavenly kingdom. His ideas are also pegalian. The kingdom is all GOd's work rather than man's work. Also, within the new heaven and hew earth, there will be hierarchy not the abstract notion of equality that many of the emerging church have adopted. John Calvin and CS Lewis states that noone will be equal in heaven
daming209 3 weeks ago
Jesus reigns in the hearts of all believers, God has written his laws in the hearts and minds of all believers. When you get baptized into Christ you become a new man, a new creation in Christ. Your old man is put of, and you put on Christ. You no longer live according to this world of the flesh, but you live in the spirit. The holy spirit is your only teacher, and it is he that makes you want to do the will of your father in heaven. The Kingdom of God is not a earthly kingdom.
SwordOfTheSpirit25 1 month ago
Gods Kingdom is not of this world, its a heavenly kingdom where Jesus sits and reigns now. Christians belong to the Isreal from above, the heavenly Isreal. Where there is no temple, because the temple is the body of believers, its a spiritual temple been built up in the likeness of Christ. Each believer is a royal preist and a liiving stone. Real Christians put no faith in the creation (the earth) but the creator. Christians are the "called out ones" who's lives are hid with Christ.
SwordOfTheSpirit25 1 month ago
I believe our struggle for Kingdom of God and His justice ((Mt 6, 33) begins here on Earth as well - through our change of heart, cleansing of mind and repentance with God´s power, inspiration and our free will we can then ask, and we will be given; seek, and we will find; knock, and it will be open unto us (Mt 7, 7). Let the change (turn) happen, succumb to His will, accept and use His gifts accordingly and be vigilant for His return to fulfil and rule the Kingdom in full glory and justice.
PatricianVet 1 month ago
Beware, this guy is clearly a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Lengarces 1 month ago
@Lengarces Clearly? Explain please.
LickitungSushi 1 month ago
i have read some of mclaren's material and i can tell you he is a WOLF in sheep's clothing. flee his deceitful teachings!
originaltbyrd 2 months ago
@originaltbyrd you could probably say the same thing about Jesus... I read *some* or his teachings and man... he had a lot of things wrong. Blessed are the poor in spirit? What an idiot. The poor in spirit aren't blessed! Those who mourn... they lose. That's not how the world works. He obviously has no clue. Flee his deceitful teachings!
Or... maybe McLaren is right, at least some of the time, about the teachings of Jesus... He really DOES want us to work with him and bring heaven to now
BraveSaintStuart 1 month ago
Supportive verses (American Standard Version):
Luke 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is (1) within you. (1) Or in the midst of you)
Matthew 6:33 But seek* ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. * the Greek word zeteo - one of the meanings is "aspire after"
PatricianVet 2 months ago
Oh dear....., how come you talk about the Kingdom without talking about the cross? God is holy and we should all be crushed by Him and His fierce anger. Our own works are nothing, no change of heart is possible without God making us "worms" into new creatures in Christ. Wake up! Jesus talked more about hell than any of the apostles. Surely Christ came to bring some of us to heaven and the rest to hell. If not what would you say Jesus did on the cross?
PerZetterberg 4 months ago
Great video. I just posted it in my blog. I recently finished a book about Hell & eternity that will be out soon...
whatthehellbook . com
alyssafaithbaer 5 months ago
If you'd like to read some article on the Emergent Church and on Rob Bell and his book, Love Wins, visit: HELLS BELL DOT NET
PreachingJesus 5 months ago
Mixing some lies in with the truth still makes it a lie. This video has "New Age Movement" written all over it.
SonofThor73 5 months ago
Thank you for sharing
AngieDonohue 6 months ago
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
1John 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Gen 6:6, Ezek 9:6 Sin breaks God's heart. You must not willfully sin.
go to sermonindexdotnet and look up Milton Green, become a true disciple.
servant714 7 months ago
To me the Kingdom of God on earth is one who abids by the government He brings and after the Judgement it is one of Justice, where as waters over the earth, people will have the Knowledge of God, i.e. all are reborn. and that Day will not be followed by night, we become one global community where He has lead us into all truth. Imagine and age of Justice and one where all are clearly conscious of God, all know the face of God,and it will be the age of Maturity, No more silliness.
Beulah502 10 months ago
HE was talking about both, the Kingdom on Earth, and in your soul, which is attainment to --certitude in Chirst., a maturity in your spiritual life, completed the process if rebirth.
Beulah502 10 months ago
Good Video
MrJoeman211 11 months ago
and the true marks of one who is a citizen,who truely has jesus as his king is OBEDIENCE TO HIS LAWS. it isnt obedience that makes you a citizen of his kingdom, but entering the kingdom thru him and making him you king. but the proof that he is your king is obedience to his laws..and his laws are not grevious, but it is the perfect law of liberty. those who hate his laws are tyrants, and they will be removed and distroyed in the end.
david81672able 11 months ago
and acording to the gospel of john, he is not only "the word" and "the seed" that must fall to the ground and die to bare much fruit, he is alsoTHE DOOR, THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE....at the center of all of jesus teachings is himself, because he is God in the flesh, and king og this kingdom, and the only way of entrance into it. if you are not born again into this kingdom through him, by repentance and faith in him, he is not your king, and you are not a citizen of his kingdom.
david81672able 11 months ago
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david81672able 11 months ago
he was the first fruits of the resurection..and the children of the kingdom must now continue to grow and mature in the power of the holy spirit until the day of the harvest when the king returns to sit on his throne and the angels gather the wheat from the tares, and the tares are burned in the fire.
david81672able 11 months ago
because the word..the seed, became flesh...and this seed, as he began to teach somewhere in the middle of his ministry, had to die and be sown, to bring forth much fruit. in the parable of the wheat and the tares the seed is the children of the kingdom growing among the seed of the wicked one. this is because jesus falling to the ground as a grain of wheat in the process sowed more seeds which were the children of the kingdom. jesus, rising from the grave became the firstfruits .
david81672able 11 months ago
the reason he spoke this way was because, he himself was the seed being sown...the word of the kingdom in matther..in mark the seed is explained as 'the word" and in luke, "the word of God." in john we see that the word is God who became flesh. in revelations 19 his name is "the word of God." and out of his mouth goes a sharp sword. in rev. ch 1 it is a two edged sword. in hebrews 4 the word of God is sharper than any twoedged sword..and all the charactoristics of the word of God were in jesus.
david81672able 11 months ago
jesus continually compares the kingdom of God to a growing crop. and all though the message was preached as at hand in those days, yet he said it was in their midst...since the time of john the baptist till christ, he said every man pressed into it. it was in the hearts of those who accepted the Gospel of the kingdom. but the centerpiece of all of this was always jesus christ. he kept them at that time thru the name of the father.but most of the parables spoke of the near future and distant .
david81672able 11 months ago
I hope God will open many people's eyes and hearts about this message because it will, not get anyone very far with God. When salvation becomes me bringing God's kingdom into this world-I do not think it ever worked out. The Catholics thought they were dloing that and 100 yrs ago liberals preached the exact same message about heaven on eartyh. Liberals reached McKinley and saw after we stopped fighting Spain-that if we bought the Philippines we would see heaven on earth over there
daveme7 1 year ago
@ergotrof
Jesus said not OF this world..because the Kingdom is in you, those who accepted Jesus and it needs to be put into action so you can bring that Kingdom here on earth.that is His purpose for humans here on earth to bring back the kingdom that was lost to Adam. the earth is of the Lord and EVERYTHING that dwells in it. the WORLD you are speaking of is the sin of mankind and material lust.
youtube.com/user/nisac03?feature=mhum#p/a/2FFAD32D927B423D/0/2jjf7uiFfxI
nisac03 1 year ago
listen to Dr. Myles Munroe for deeper understanding of the Kingdom of God. Talking about the King, His Territory, His Law and Government, His Subjects and His purpose to advance Heaven's Kingdom here on earth thru His subjects.
youtube.com/user/nisac03?feature=mhum
nisac03 1 year ago
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Shellesway 1 year ago
What a wonderful message,.That is the same way in which I view the Kingdom of God..It is here now, God's will be done NOW! That is what the gospels are all about!
Walking in obedience to our God, and sharing his love worldwide! And it will be even greater at the time of The Rapture, that is when we will be reconciled with God forever in his Kingdom!
Shellesway 1 year ago
I don't know this man's teachings except this video. But it sounds like religion. Unless there is a second birth and the indwelling of the Spirit of God that precipitates these things spoken about in this video. Then it is all mans work trying to do something for God. (religion)
Religion (even the Christian Religion) is evil. Kingdom life is gracious given, and is life eternal.
yeshua4U 1 year ago
@yeshua4U Not sure if I would agree with all you said but you do hit on some good points. For myself even more so today there is an element missing that being faith in Christ. I used to query because of the criptures of why did God use people who were maybe not as smart or blessed with a lot of wealth(not that God does notuse those either) but to me the whole point of this is to see God uses the weak, the profane, stupid, and anythingwe can think of-why-because only God will get the credit
daveme7 1 year ago
Jesus teaches The KINGDON of Heaven and the KINGDON of GOD, First public statement and even after his death, Repent for the KINGDON of HEAVEN is near!!!!!
All through Matthew, thats all he talked about!!!!!Matthew 3:1
This was good!!!!
fonz1231 1 year ago
Brian always floors me by how much good he can say and yet how much damage all the good can be framed to do. With all his talk of post-modern "both-and" thinking- why he makes this an either or is beyond me. Mark's Gospel shows Jesus' message primarily was- repentance and faith bring forgiveness and with it kingdom citizenship. That includes us in the eternal kingdom to come and the community of the kingdom now- which lives out the ethic and proclaims the invitation to God's forgiveness.
nagibson1 1 year ago
The highest spiritual attribute is kindness.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon
one fine-tuning correction:
The highest spiritual attribute is kindness to God.
blainer19er 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
The Kingdom of GOD is something far more important. It is what Christ was sent for (Luke 4:43].This Kingdom has yet to take place. Remember, ''Prove all things'' 1Thessalonians5:21. Want to know what the KOG is?
REV2V26, REV5V9, REV11V15, MATT 19V27-29, MATT5V5, 1COR6, MICAH4, ISAIAH 11, REV20V1-6, REV 1V5-7,DAN7V18, 27, Luke 1:32–33, LUKE19V15, JHN5V28-29
AFTER 1000 YR REIGN
REV20V7-15 ----Satan loosed for a short time, White throne judgement
then REV21 AND 22 --new Heaven and Earth
Patriotsmarch1776 1 year ago
what he says in this video is for the most part correct, but overall, this man's teaching is the doctrine of demons that the New Testament warns against.
nineteen19candles 1 year ago
@nineteen19candles Tell me all you know about demons. It should take about 3 seconds.
k0smon 1 year ago
Complete the pronunciation of sentence please, for me translate to portuguese:->
you know up............ (continue please)... the purpose Jesus come .... try help us ... heaven after we died.
jam89nik 1 year ago
bravo friend- you are correct! the KINGDOM OF GOD- IS JESUS GOSPEL about the Kingdom to come "HERE ON EARTH" with JESUS as the KING! for now satan is the GOD of this world (earth) but will be removed soon! AWESOME-
ICthelies 1 year ago 8
@ICthelies Sounds like the messiah that the Jews were looking for - an earthly king with power to right the wrongs done to the Israelites.
k0smon 1 year ago
Nice Video and i think you are 120% right about the kingdom of god. makes perfect sense
TheLastdaysaint 1 year ago
Nice points. We are eternal, living in eternity now.
macpduff 1 year ago 4
@macpduff
If we are living in eternity now than why do people die?
MatthewJohn5 1 year ago
@MatthewJohn5 Only the physical dies. The spirit (the real you), lives on. The body is the womb of your soul.
k0smon 1 year ago
Mat 5:29 And if your right eye causes you to offend, pluck it out, and cast it from you: for it is better for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.
TCMAO0 1 year ago
Mat 5:29 And if your right eye causes you to offend, pluck it out, and cast it from you: for it is better for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.
TCMAO0 1 year ago
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
TCMAO0 1 year ago
paul borto is closed minded....i appreciate this video for giving a fresh outlook on jesus' original message of love and the school of the cynics .. Bravo !
checkersq 1 year ago
This is jehovah's witness doctrine. You Have the Kingdom of Heaven confused with The Kingdom of God. Ye Must Be Born Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HolinessHighway 1 year ago
Christianity and Catholicism aren't separate - Protestantism and Catholicism are separate - and not by that much. No matter how one tries to separate their protestant (i.e. Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, etc) faith from Catholicism - much of Catholicism is retained - the bible you read from was put together by the early Catholic Church. So the criticizing the Catholic faith is simply criticizing another branch of the Christian faith, which is of course your right, as you seek truth.
eternaldeacon 1 year ago
If the half of Christianity would understand the history of the 66 books of the bible, especially the new testament writings - and understand the interpretation of those text through Western eyes - they would understand they are much off the mark. Brian has captured the essence of Jesus message before Paul repackaged it for the masses, who happened to be polythiestic. Read and study the anatomy of the Bible and understand that Yeshua came preaching THE KINGDOM now - and not "pie in the sky"-
eternaldeacon 1 year ago
Re:14:6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,Re:14:7:.Lu:12:51: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: M't:10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword
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hoffabrando 1 year ago
.M't:24:7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
2Pe:3:7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the
heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
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hoffabrando 1 year ago
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe:3:13: Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
M't:24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Heb:11:13: These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
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hoffabrando 1 year ago
Bruce McLaren is teaching the heresy there is no lake of fire for the wicked when they die (Rev. 20:11-15). He believes everyone goes to heaven whether they believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior or not! To be saved from your sins you must believe in the gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Gods only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Lets pray for Bruce and his followers to seek after the true gospel, not the false gospel of universalism.
paulbortolazzo 1 year ago
very nice, thank you
Katryd1 1 year ago
This gospel , well , is OK.! And as we are the ecclesia, there is still a lot we can do to see God's kingdom here on earth, win souls ,affect our generation, advance the kingdom and even see revival in our time. However ,there is another side too, our time here is finite and small, we must remember where we are going to spend eternity. It is there that we will be rewarded for all that we accomplished on this side of eternity What is the point if we gain the whole world but lose out in eternity?
segunoikelome 1 year ago
Ummm St3ven50 I believe Brian was saying that we have edited the Lords' Prayer in the way we act, and he was highlighting the actual words it uses. If you think about he isn't editing it at all. I wish people would listen to what this man says and not to what other people say about him. The whole Left and Right thing in the US is not from God. Can't we just agree on Jesus and take bread and wine together? After all the first words of the Lords prayer are "Our Father"
nikolatte 1 year ago
There is also a huge difference between Christianity and Catholicism.
And I will tell you the difference, Christianity teachers the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, OF GOD, 1Co:15:50: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
Catholicism. TEACHERS that the KINGDOM, OF GOD, is a mixture of RELIGION AND POLITICS, alien to the EARLY CHURCH.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite.
FunnessOfOneness 2 years ago
Brian's message gives us much to think about. However, I dont totally agree with Brian. Ive met so many do-gooders in the world, people who are not Christians but who do many good things. A Christian is one who can and should do all these good things, but who also speaks the saving truth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for our sins, was raised from the dead and ascended into heaven so that we could have eternal and abundant life. That's the kingdom of heaven that Jesus lives for.
AlbatrossSky 2 years ago
Wolfs in sheeps clothes how did the Pope get the PAGAN title PONIFEX MAXIMUS, PONTIFF POPE,PAPA,
And who gave the catholic church the authority to turn the church of the living God, in to a riligio-political system.and to Install the inquisition and put to death bible believing Christians,
Its as plain, as the nose on your face that the millings that were saluted would not have happened without the political arm of the Papacy, THAY SALT NOT KILL, Hypocrites.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
What man can ever EDIT the words the King of Kings said? Who is man to even compare to God... For out of our mouths are just words, but when God speaks the Heavens shake, and Creation is born! So what man can say let us CHANGE the Lords prayer... The Answer: There is None!
Stev3n50 2 years ago
Jeez...you didnt get it did you? He is saying the way christians behave we might as well change the Lord's prayer to "our father, may we go to heaven." when Jesus said, "Thy kingdom come, they will be done, on EARTH as it is in heaven!"
kellann55 2 years ago
The Lord's Prayer is the answer. God bless
bocharfaris 2 years ago
Not to be funny but what is the question?
boomac62 2 years ago
@boomac62 The question is, what is the kingdom of God.
JakeRadan 2 years ago
By the way Brian, Beautiful video this is great I realized this truth too. Jesus speaks clearly about what your saying in the bible and I applaud and enjoy the fact that you speak truth. I don't really understand why you say the message is "disturbing" unless you mean the fact that so many people don't actually follow the teachings.
HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago
The kingdom of God is completly the opposite the kingdom of men. If you move with ease through this kingdom you are not in God's kingdom. The modern church opperates no different that any company in the US.
Pfsif 2 years ago
What you are saying is not a lie, but what will a change conduct bring to the dead(us). We must believe in him to have life, not to change it.
excusia 2 years ago
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
excusia 2 years ago
He also said faith alone does not bring you into the kingdom of heaven but works. Don't be ignorant. If you don't believe you will never follow and if you never follow you will never recieve God's blessings. You don't just "believe" what does that mean anyways. You could believe that you believe but that doesn't mean you actually believe you just "think" you do. True belief is shown through practice and showing an example. The churches today astound me with their ignorance.
HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago
Jesus said "don't be a hypocrite decieving yourselves." If you only "Believe" whatever that means? You are a hypocrite, for example, I could go on a shooting spree and say "I believe in Christ". Obviously my actions prove that I don't really believe in it. You have to purify your heart to enter the kingdom of heaven and recieve God's Grace. And the way to purify your heart is through prayer and following Jesus's word by becoming sinless.
HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago
In other words you will not see the beauty(Heaven) that is on this earth until you purify your heart and become sinless. Once you are sinless continue praying and blessings should come into your life.
HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago
I see many people who quote Jesus in a very ignorant way and like I said it astounds me, I don't see why it is so hard to understand that you do actually have to put an effort into following Jesus's word and not just "Believe". It is like your trying to justify laziness and sins by saying "All you have to do is Believe." No the truth is you believe and do, and your doing shows that you believe.
HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago
wow, thats alot of posts! well, i will respond for the last time, to just one thing because this can keep going on and on :) ... *Don't lean to your own understanding*..now having watched a multitude of youtube videos and read about the different sets of rules and faiths within the Christian tradition. And there are MANY. If fact it seems, someone is always undercutting someone else. No i have the truth, oh no I have it!!..seems there are many different *own* understandings of the bible already.
saintgerty 2 years ago
i cant see how anyone can shoot him down here. he has said nothing heretical. in fact the point he makes is great.
TheEndtymsnatzal; what did he say that sparked such a response?
roggenbrot1000 2 years ago
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." There will be a new heavens and a new earth! People will live in an earthly paradise and that is why Jesus said to pray for God's Will to come onto this earth. The New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven. Read about it in Revelations 21. The 144,000 chosen will ascend into heaven at the end of times to reign as kings and priest under Christ Jesus.
stamosenterprises 2 years ago
What if we are in the New Heavens and earth NOW....Sounds impossible until one sees what world Jesus was speaking of.
Jesus defined the world in John 15:18-25... the world that hated Jesus and His disciples did so because it was written in their Law... consider... who had the Law... therein is the answer of what world ended in the true Last days nearly 2000 years ago.
Read the scriptures asking God for vision... they will open up in a whole new light.
Peace
ChristianNewsWatch 2 years ago
S.T.F.U Mclarin.. false teacher. Blind as a bat. YOU know nothing about the Lord's Prayer. go get a life as a social worker or a politician.....YOU KNOW NOTHING about JESUS and THE FATHER.
TheEndtymsnatzal 2 years ago
Amen! Sola Scriptura
ztstar 2 years ago
If Brian McLaren was so concerned about the poor and the forgotten, then why has he said nothing about giving them the Word (Luke 4:4)?
The kingdom of God is expanded when sinners repent and put their faith in Jesus Christ.
xpur304 2 years ago
The Kingdom of God is. It can't be built, expanded, etc... It is the rule and reign of Christ. Its powers can be felt in the present and is demonstrated by our love for one another. Words are cheap, the Gospel is a lifestyle accompanied by words.
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moptopdrummer 2 years ago
AMEN!!!
xev1n777 2 years ago
I wonder how his words are wrong...that Jesus taught us to live - that faith would transform our lives and how we treat other people. I don't understand how living what Jesus taught is wrong...Lots of people seem to think Brian McLaren is the antichrist or something. He just raises some great questions about how Jesus would want us to be living out our faith.
1leahsmom 2 years ago
Living what Jesus taught is not wrong, but repentance and faith are very much a part of the equation. Brian McLaren denies that the Lord Jesus Christ, paid the penalty for sins, which is the cardinal doctrine of salvation. You can live the life of Jesus, until you take your dirt nap, and if you are not born again, you will be cast into eternal punishment.
(Matthew 7:21,22). It is not our faith that transforms, it is The Holy Spirit who lives and works in His children
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
Friend, being born again = living like Jesus. One cannot claim faith in Christ without walking in his footsteps.
Jesus did not call us to just be believers, but to be followers.
True it is His grace that saves us, not our deeds. And His Holy Spirit that transforms us, not our own effort. But the Spirit wont transform us if we don't cooperate with it.
You become more like Christ by walking with him, meaning doing the work he did, work to build the Kingdom here on earth through acts of love.
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
yeah....a change like in you? .... You can most probably be *saved* by being a good person and showing deep humanism, aka empathy and compassion to other human beings. More than you can be *saved* by just being a die hard fundamentalist christian. Who like you, dont seem to be very forgiving ironically, where s your empathy to those so called *emergent trash*?
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*We were all trash in God's eyes once so stop being emotional.*...... er......ok....
i think what you say speaks for itself. You may be christian, but you strike me neither as kind, sympathetic, compassionate or well reasoned. And THIS is what you call glory to God, who im sure had specifically THIS type of glory in mind. In order for it to be ...*on earth as it is in heaven* .... you really need to check out some of that love Jesus was talking about. I believe he said it was for EVERYBODY.
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
If we could combine all the experiences of all the people on this planet and all those who ever lived. We may understand a little more about what is this, central truth. Anyways, the whole saving thing is quite outmoded. Are you saying that people before the *birth* of jesus were not saved? if so, fundamentalist christianity still has a long way to go before reaching the love *Jesus* was talking about.
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We were never trash in God's eyes. If we were, He obviously would have never cared enough about us to send Jesus. I think there is too much Augustinianism in your statement and not enough Scripture. We are spiritually depraved before we are saved and baptized by God's Spirit, but He never saw us as worthless. Emotionality is as human as rationality -- Jesus was emotionally sensitive.
I thought placing one's faith in Christ is what saves a person. Faith isn't just belief. It's a way of living.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
Prophet - you say you want less tolerance and more doctrine.
Therefore I ask you, do you want God to be less tolerant of you? I surely hope not!
DopoNotte 2 years ago
Different traditions have different emphases. God is transcendent and holy, but God is also immanent and relational.
God IS sovereign to save whom He wills. But the way you talk ("to demonstrate His attributes") I'd wager you're a Calvinist, but I agree with you here because I'm a Christian universalist. The attribute that most characterizes God is love. Nowhere does the Bible say "God is sovereignty" or "God is holiness," although He is both of those things, but it does say "God is love."
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I haven't taking one side of the coin. That God is a consuming fire is metaphor. Fire refines. God can be comprehended through his revelation, and the greatest revelation is in the person of Jesus. If God were so Other that his attributes were incomparable to our own, it would be utterly meaningless to say "God is just," because we'd have no idea what could possibly be meant by this. He condescends to our level because, though we are fallen and backward, he still loves us and wants us.
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That is a metaphor. A literal interpretation would be that God is a plasmic state of matter -- but I think we can safely rule out this option.
I believe that all three personae of the Trinity are divine, although I wouldn't say I'm totally okay with how the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed describes their relationship. My view is more subordinationistic.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
First, Psalms isn't the book for constructing a sound theology. It's men speaking of God, not God speaking of men. Second, hate does not mean "loathe." God did not "loathe" the feasts he himself established (Amos). He was disgusted by them. God did not "loathe" Esau (Malachi, Romans). God's character is revealed in Jesus, the most compassionate person to ever live.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
Setting Hebrew hyperbole aside, in the NT, Jesus did not ask us to "loathe" our parents. In Greek, hate, when paralleled with love, is an idiom for preferring one over another. Even so, humanity has a different relation with God because of Jesus. God still exercises wrath, but we're living in an age of grace and reconciliation. It was God's plan from the beginning to raise up humanity, but just as a parent is firm and restrictive with a child, God was firm and restrictive with the Israelites.
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"2 Tim. 3:16 says all of Scripture is...God-breathed, so you cannot simply pick and choose what part of Scripture you want to emphasis and give greater meaning to."
If you take all Scriptures to be literal or equally normative, you're going to run into a lot of problems. Do you emphasize the book of James as much as you do Romans? lol
I said, when structured parallel to the word "love," it is part of an idiom -- to prefer one thing over another. The word by itself does not have this meaning.
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Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. But since Jesus is the ultimate self-revelation of God, shouldn't we use his life and character to measure and perhaps properly reinterpret the events and dealings with God in the OT?
Some Neo-Calvinists (the theonomists) wouldn't even go that far. They'd say that civil laws still should be used to bring the secular world into submission to Christ.
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Who said no one is going to hell? I didn't. I believe the last thing to perish is death itself and that all things will eventually be subject to Christ, and that all who died in Adam will be made righteous in Jesus (Rom 5:18). But I do believe in the lake of fire. The meaning of the word "aionios" in Greek is debatable, but other things such that God intends to save -- and Christ died for -- all people. Those are some reasons I embrace the doctrine of universal reconciliation.
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
"Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men."
With this structure, "all" can't mean "all individuals" in the first case and "all kinds" in the second. That's pure eisegesis.
The Puritans were tyrannical legalists, who were terrified that they weren't members of "the elect." I don't read them for their theology, but for their literature's historical value.
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Your translation is off.
Ana oun os enos paraptomatos eis pantas anthropous eis katakrima, outos kai oi enos dikaimatos eis pantas anthropous eis dikaisin zoes.
The words prosphero (offer) and charismatos (gift) is not even in the clause. Corrupt Catholic texts? The Catholics have their own manuscripts? lol I don't like the NIV. I do usually use the NASB. But I usually check the Greek if I'm really interested in a passage.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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Alexandrian manuscripts are some of the oldest and most reliable in the NT. The Textus Receptus, if I recall, was based off of the Byzantine Majority text, and its manuscripts are from a much later period. It's an outdated collection, and we have better manuscripts now, ones that are closer to the source. But I'm not going to argue over KJVOism and its conspiracy theories.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure Linus was the first bishop of Rome. I agree that Peter did not found the Roman church. It was most likely founded by Roman Jews who were in Jerusalem for Pentecost.
The KJV wasn't the first English Bible or even the first "authorized" English Bible.
The Comma Johanneum SHOULD be removed. It's most likely a later insertion. It's missing in the Codices Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, and Vaticanus, the Syriac and Coptic traditions, and most church fathers' translations.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Hippolytus of Rome, Tertullian (the first one to use the term "Trinity"!), and Cyprian don't have the Comma in their translations. Irenaeus was the disciple of Polycarp, the disciple of John himself, and even HE doesn't include the Comma. What more evidence do you need?
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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Actually, "upon" would be a better translation if the preposition used were epi. Eis is usually translated "into." Paul often leaves out verbs, expecting his readers to know what he means, and the English translations fill them in. Here there is no word "came" in the aorist or any other tense.
lol It was good talking to you. =]
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
The doctrine of penal substitution is only as old as Calvin. It was based off of Anselm's satisfaction theory, but the theory of atonement for the first thousand years of Christian history was that Christ came to save us primarily from Satan, sin, and death -- not from his Father. God's mercy lies IN his justice and his justice in his mercy. They are not contradictory attributes. We are justified through Christ's life as well as his death, and we are also saved through his resurrection.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
"Theory shmeory. I don't get my doctrines from men, but the Bible. If the Bible says it then I believe it. Are you lukewarm? Maybe you are looking for a God that doesn't exist, but I tell you if you lack repentance you will perish."
So you don't believe the Bible requires interpreting (for you)? And you honestly don't think that your interpretations are the product of millenia of doctrinal development? Don't preach at me. I'm a Christian.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
"So you think Hitler will be saved?"
Eventually, yes. I think God loves Adolph Hitler, too. And Stalin. And Mao. And Pol Pot. And me. And you. We can either experience the Spirit of God as sweet and serene in this life, or tormenting and unpleasant in the next. I don't know what this entails. Either way his spirit will refine us, make us what he wants us to be, and we will all confess Jesus to the glory of God the Father -- God is not glorified through lip service, only sincere faith.
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
"Are you truly saved? Examine yourself."
Good grief. e_e
"Also, works don't save you. Sounds to me like your believe faith is you paying homage to God by feeding the poor or being a "good person"."
You don't know me at all. Have you ever read the book of James? Our faith is justified by our works.
"Why are you friends with Jesse Morrell? He's a heretic."
That's not stalkerish at all...
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
"The emergent church movement is NOT historical Christianity and is a cult."
Calvinism is also NOT historical Christianity. Puritan literature is nothing like early Christian literature. Your definition of "cult" must be pretty inclusive. Do you even know what postmodernism is?
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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PropheticVindicator 2 years ago
I don't mind arguing with other Christians, as long as it's cordial and in the interest of finding God's truth. Sorry if I got a little cool with you. =]
ElasticGiraffe 2 years ago
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And Brian McLaren has never denied the atonement, that is a fallacy spread by critics of the Emergent Movement. God bless ya friend!
RockerXAdam 2 years ago 2
Comparing Brian Mclaren to Jesus is like comparing horse manure to Gold. Brian Mclaren denies every cardinal doctrine of the Faith, and is the spirit of antichrist. and unlike most of of his followers who are ignorant of scripture, HE KNOWS THE TRUTH and denies it...Mr. Mclaren is not a heretic, he is an apostate... and as each day passes he comes closer to his final judgement...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
thats what you have been tought i assume? That anybody who does not think as you or hold the same dogmas as you do is bound for hell? How is that different from any islamic or hindu fundamentalist? As much as you may feel you need to judge this man just try to let go of that....
boomac62 2 years ago
Hey boomac62, The historic doctrines of the Christian faith are CLEARLY taught in God's Word, the Holy Bible, and exclusivity is one of the things That Jesus Christ was very clear about. He was also very clear about The doctrine of HELL and Eternal punishment for those who refuse to believe...Brian Mclaren Denies these and most other doctrines of the faith. It is not a matter of what I have been taught, It is a matter of What the Bible says...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
well....thats not really true, at least in part. eternal punishment you say? Find the greek word translated 'eterna;" in the NT, then also find out all the other ways that word was translated, i think you may be putting you faith in a persons translation and not the original word....it is important to study hard....
boomac62 2 years ago
Actually I have done a Greek word study on the word Aion, which is often translated "eternal," "everlasting" and "ever and ever." And although it is true that Aion can refer to different spans of time, There is usually a scripture, often within the context of the verse that confirms the translation
as Eternal... for example Matthew 18:8-9, gehenna is called "everlasting" (Aionios) Fire.
The parellel passage in Mark 9:44-48 states that Gehenna is where "the fire is not quenched." _continued-
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
By comparing parellel passages we see that fire that is not quenched, continually burns, or ...is eternal. Another verse is John 3:16 States that believers have "Everlasting" life, qualified by the next phrase in the verse, "Shall not perish. if you never perish, then you live forever....everlasting life. A third and perhaps the most important example is found in Matthew 25: 46 where aionios is translated both "Everlasting" life and "Eternal' PUNISHMENT.
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
From John 3:16 we see that that the life of the believer, is eternal,
Then it logically follows that the everlasting life and Eternal Punishment in Matthew are the same duration of time....everlasting... Jesus was Contrasting the types of afterlife, and shown that both were of equal duration...
Now... if The Fire of Gehenna is eternal, and punishment is eternal, Is there a specific passage that states the unsaved will be eternally punished in hell?- yes...Revelation 14 verse 10 -continued-
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
Revelation 14 verse 10 and 11 states that "the smoke of the torment, Will rise "forever and ever," (AION used twice) the duration of the torment is shown to be Eternal by the fact that they "have NO REST, The tormented will never have rest, therefore, their punishment must be eternal, because logicly if the duration of the punishment was not eternal, they would eventually have rest...
Context, comparison, and contrast all show the validity of Eternal punishment in the Bible...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
The emergent types will tell you that it is the Height of Arrogance to claim to Know the truth, I say, You CAN know the truth, and if you know it, and continue in it you are set free... This statement is from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself. Sorry i had to post so much. Afterlife is not something you can discuss in a 500 character post...lol Thanks for your reply...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
I love Brian's clear and concise take on theology. It makes so much more sense than this "personal" faith so many people profess but who lack compassion for others.
llamaladytnb 2 years ago
WARNING!! Brian McLaren is not a REAL Christian! He is making up lies about the Bible and is now attacking Christians for believing in Jesus and his return and denies that The state of Israel and the jewish people are God's chosen as stated in the Bible. Brian Mclaren is also Obama's new assistant on a new bill passed called the hate crime bill and stated he wants to destroy the Christian majority and its belief as Jesus will return. He is a Heretic! Brian Mclaren is a wolf in sheeps clothing
opios80 2 years ago
Amen, Opios80.
NazareneEvangelists 2 years ago
They accused Jesus of being not a "real Jew." He contradicted the priests and the scribes of God's "chosen people."
Did he throw the moneychangers out of the temple for nothing?
Did he come to say, "hey, you all, you're doing a great job; keep it up?"
Hardly.
Everything must change.
The government of Israel are *not* God's chosen people. God demands righteousness and justice. Not from individuals per se but from entire societies.
llamaladytnb 2 years ago
"Not from individuals per se but from entire societies"
You just contradicted scipture, God mentions many times in the bible that ww should come OUT of the ways of this world, which are in majority, corrupt and sinful.
'Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins Rev 18:4
God has destroyed entire cities when only a few of Gods people have come out of her for safety. It is the individual and not society, which is sick, that God wants.
Are you a communist or something?
opios80 2 years ago