back 5 years ago (more or less) i knew about parker thanks to writer julio cortazar, and one day i went to this library and they put on a jazz record that i didnt knew, i never have listened to it before but i i was so sure, i felt that charlie parker was playing and i immediately approached to an employer and asked the name of the record :"charlie parker" he said.
Most of them in sensational shape... real jam session atmosphere. Ross showing that he was one of the greatest of this swing-to-bop period. So bad that he went into drug-induced ovblivion. Willie Smith - sorry to all Bird fans - outblowing Parker. Nobody remembers him nowadays. But when I play him to my wife (learning alto) she's going crazy.
@MrJimmienoone Willie Smith outblowing Parker! - Not on this he doesn't. I think you just prefer Willie's playing (I like it to) but no way could he outplay Parker on anything.
Then, after the bass solo, one of the players actually pushed Lester Young up to (continued) the microphone to try to follow. That's why the second solo sounds far away as it starts- he is being pushed to the microphone. The order was supposed to be Parker, then Young. I guess on the record they decided to cut out the bass solo-- my copy from a CD is 11:08, not the 9 minutes of the record! It really shows just how amazing this solo really was-- it left everyone else stunned into silence.
I'll try to repeat a neat thing I heard on "Bird Flight", the daily Charlie Parker show on WKCR in NYC, many years ago: what we hear on this track is not exactly what was played at the show. What actually happened after Parker's solo was that everyone was speechless, and no one would follow Bird after what he just played. The other horn players just stood there looking at him. The bass player started improvising a bass solo for about 2 minutes or so.
first you hear bird doing a symphony then prez starts the descent, then soon the rompin' stompin' "head arrangement" gerry mulligan used to call it. the old hot jazz is like the fossil fuel industry, heavy, crude, barbaric and swinging, but sustainable civilization, bebp progressive jazz, is the clean renewable energy of solar and wind, and is hopefully the real future of humanity, or we've got no future. uh oh did I mix music with issues of politics? shame on me.
@soulrebel68 I knew someone was gonna criticise me for favoring more advanced modern music over it's primative beginnings. "Shame on me." Bird lives in my fingers so it's more my music than yours, racist blowhard. Like making war to kill and get oil? Shame on you.
@pvelectric "Primative"? Pfft. The only primates present are you imitative, exploitative, thieving fuckers. Bird lives in YOUR fingers? Like hell. War? Your people's war, not mine. Read a book. I recommend Blues People.
Bird doesn't live in your fingers because you perhaps are not a musician. But anyone can hear from my music the Parker influence upon my own improvising. Also Konitz and Rollins, and yes some early work by Hodges which you might want to listen to on some of the duet and gospel earlier style "primitive" sounding songs of my own I've uploaded.
I do like Leroy Jones by the way, heard him a while back on KPFK radio station. Will check out Blues People, you read "Soul On Ice"?
@pvelectric Ok, maybe I misjudged you. But here's something from another racist blowhard: "I am not now, nor have I ever been, a white man...But I am an Ofay Watcher...we exist concealed in the shadows wherever colored people have known oppression by whites, by white enslavers, colonizers, imperialists and neo-colonialists." (Cleaver, Soul on Ice) But of course the guy who started as a Black Muslim and then a Black Panther became a Mormon and a Republican, so don't put too much stock in it.
@soulrebel68 pvelectric Thanks, back at you. I've an interview of Eldridge on Charlie Rose show I recorded during the mid-eighties,and he explains his registering as a Republican. Main reason are the party is less hypocritical, more respectful of minority input from within their own ideological frames (this struck me as he wanting to be bigger fish in a small pond of minority Republicans. He sure seemed relaxed and content with his life. Maybe I can find the old vid and post a minute of it.
@pvelectric Ok, maybe I misjudged you. But here's something from another racist blowhard: "I am not now, nor have I ever been, a white man...But I am an Ofay Watcher...we exist concealed in the shadows wherever colored people have known oppression by whites, by white enslavers, colonizers, imperialists and neo-colonialists." (Cleaver, Soul on Ice) But of course the guy who started as a Black Muslim and then a Black Panther became a Mormon and a Republican, so don't put too much stock in it.
Lovely bit of history you have there - I cherish my original Savoy copy of "KOKO" by Parker as well as all the early Diz/Bird collaborations. I love the fact that Bird turns Gershwin into the Blues!
The label says Arnold Ross on piano. Found this blurb online, "Arnold Ross will always be best-remembered for the brilliant chorus he took on the Jazz At The Philharmonic version of "Lady Be Good" that directly preceded Charlie Parker's classic solo in 1946."
First heard this on an old clef LP i grew up listening to, and now got it on CD (on the complete JATP on verve 1944-49). You got yerself a find cd, don't let it go 4 money, marbles or chalk!! ;-D
Sounds almost like the proper needle was used, but a bit noisy. Be sure that it's a 3 mil, and diamond. If a stereo cartridge is used, the two channels can be wired in parallel for excellent vertical modulation cancellation. If the stylus shank is cut so that the stylus is very close to the rubber yoke, results will be best. Shellac records can sound quite good with little surface noise.
Along with the exquisite music, I adore your lap dissolve from the still image to the moving disc---awesome! I am going to have to pay you royalties when I start posting new and original 78 rpm blues and jazz releases, will do it the exact same way. I just pulled from my record closet some 12" 78 rpms I had totally forgotten about on the Keystone, Philo, Signature and Comet labels, old, dusty and, like your disc here, with a warp. Thanks a million for posting. Will consider relasing 12" 78 rpms
Yep - as far as I know, this wasn't in any album set, but it's part of Norman Granz' Jazz At The Philharmonic series. From the same concert that produced the original JATP Volumes 2 & 3 (not only is the personel identical, the original number - 2005 - goes right after my Vol. 3 12" 78's of Disc label #'s 2003 & 2004).
$.50? Warped but no cracks? You've got a piece of jazz history for a song, my friend (pun intended ;) ).
I've got this same concert on my computer (in excellent quality). It says Mercury 11075 - Concert recorded for Mercury Records at Philharmonic Auditorium, Los Angeles, date;1/28/46 w/Howard McGhee, Al Killian (tpt), Willie Smith (as), Lester Young (ts), Arnold Ross (p), Billy Hadnott (b), Lee Young (d) .It is 11 minutes and 7 seconds in duration.
anyway ... .right or wrong, that's the information I have
Howard McGee dominates this tune. With all due respect to the other masters in attendence
samadjhi 2 months ago
Lester young is swinging, but Howad McGhee supplies the energy the first time I heard this I thought the trumpet was Roy Eldridge
samadjhi 4 months ago
You're a legend..thanx 4 rescuing this gold.......The Pres 4eva
kevinherbert 8 months ago
Yes master............
samadjhi 8 months ago
back 5 years ago (more or less) i knew about parker thanks to writer julio cortazar, and one day i went to this library and they put on a jazz record that i didnt knew, i never have listened to it before but i i was so sure, i felt that charlie parker was playing and i immediately approached to an employer and asked the name of the record :"charlie parker" he said.
2047alvi 10 months ago
Oh, you know :) straight off vinyl!
locomotifx 11 months ago
You get used to listening to these,or rather i do, but they're better on vinyl.
locomotifx 11 months ago
i dont like that cutting off the bass solo, it was great!
2047alvi 1 year ago
Most of them in sensational shape... real jam session atmosphere. Ross showing that he was one of the greatest of this swing-to-bop period. So bad that he went into drug-induced ovblivion. Willie Smith - sorry to all Bird fans - outblowing Parker. Nobody remembers him nowadays. But when I play him to my wife (learning alto) she's going crazy.
MrJimmienoone 1 year ago
@MrJimmienoone Willie Smith outblowing Parker! - Not on this he doesn't. I think you just prefer Willie's playing (I like it to) but no way could he outplay Parker on anything.
conn6m 10 months ago
Then, after the bass solo, one of the players actually pushed Lester Young up to (continued) the microphone to try to follow. That's why the second solo sounds far away as it starts- he is being pushed to the microphone. The order was supposed to be Parker, then Young. I guess on the record they decided to cut out the bass solo-- my copy from a CD is 11:08, not the 9 minutes of the record! It really shows just how amazing this solo really was-- it left everyone else stunned into silence.
jcard22 1 year ago
@jcard22
Sounds likely to me. The applause after Bird's solo seems to have been 'cut off'' prematurely. Your explanation certainly explain that. Cool! thanks.
cdbpdx 1 year ago
I'll try to repeat a neat thing I heard on "Bird Flight", the daily Charlie Parker show on WKCR in NYC, many years ago: what we hear on this track is not exactly what was played at the show. What actually happened after Parker's solo was that everyone was speechless, and no one would follow Bird after what he just played. The other horn players just stood there looking at him. The bass player started improvising a bass solo for about 2 minutes or so.
jcard22 1 year ago
@jcard22 so does that mean lesters solo is edited in after bird? Cause he comes in only a few measures after
nyshoefly 1 year ago
It is Arnold Ross on piano
dramabeats111 1 year ago
I have this recording...it was reissued as a JATP concern in Los Angeles on the Verve label...def Arnold Ross on piano
dramabeats111 1 year ago
UNUSUAL concert with such talented Black musicians
Bumblebee38 1 year ago
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pvelectric 1 year ago
Wow! A piece of history here; some of the early JATP with Bird in full flight.
jazzpianoman01 1 year ago
pres and bird it doesnt get better thanks
tarzan73875 1 year ago
a great find. Thanks for sharing.
karinablacktie 1 year ago
first you hear bird doing a symphony then prez starts the descent, then soon the rompin' stompin' "head arrangement" gerry mulligan used to call it. the old hot jazz is like the fossil fuel industry, heavy, crude, barbaric and swinging, but sustainable civilization, bebp progressive jazz, is the clean renewable energy of solar and wind, and is hopefully the real future of humanity, or we've got no future. uh oh did I mix music with issues of politics? shame on me.
pvelectric 2 years ago
@pvelectric
Romper Stomper: Isn't that a neo-Nazi
flick? Isn't Gerry Mulligan some longhair
white guy? Progressive jazz? have you
read LeRoi Jones/Baraka or even Kofsky?
What is it with you people?! This isn't your muic.
soulrebel68 1 year ago
@soulrebel68 I knew someone was gonna criticise me for favoring more advanced modern music over it's primative beginnings. "Shame on me." Bird lives in my fingers so it's more my music than yours, racist blowhard. Like making war to kill and get oil? Shame on you.
pvelectric 1 year ago
@pvelectric "Primative"? Pfft. The only primates present are you imitative, exploitative, thieving fuckers. Bird lives in YOUR fingers? Like hell. War? Your people's war, not mine. Read a book. I recommend Blues People.
soulrebel68 1 year ago
Bird doesn't live in your fingers because you perhaps are not a musician. But anyone can hear from my music the Parker influence upon my own improvising. Also Konitz and Rollins, and yes some early work by Hodges which you might want to listen to on some of the duet and gospel earlier style "primitive" sounding songs of my own I've uploaded.
I do like Leroy Jones by the way, heard him a while back on KPFK radio station. Will check out Blues People, you read "Soul On Ice"?
pvelectric 1 year ago
@pvelectric Ok, maybe I misjudged you. But here's something from another racist blowhard: "I am not now, nor have I ever been, a white man...But I am an Ofay Watcher...we exist concealed in the shadows wherever colored people have known oppression by whites, by white enslavers, colonizers, imperialists and neo-colonialists." (Cleaver, Soul on Ice) But of course the guy who started as a Black Muslim and then a Black Panther became a Mormon and a Republican, so don't put too much stock in it.
soulrebel68 1 year ago
@soulrebel68 pvelectric Thanks, back at you. I've an interview of Eldridge on Charlie Rose show I recorded during the mid-eighties,and he explains his registering as a Republican. Main reason are the party is less hypocritical, more respectful of minority input from within their own ideological frames (this struck me as he wanting to be bigger fish in a small pond of minority Republicans. He sure seemed relaxed and content with his life. Maybe I can find the old vid and post a minute of it.
pvelectric 1 year ago
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@pvelectric Ok, maybe I misjudged you. But here's something from another racist blowhard: "I am not now, nor have I ever been, a white man...But I am an Ofay Watcher...we exist concealed in the shadows wherever colored people have known oppression by whites, by white enslavers, colonizers, imperialists and neo-colonialists." (Cleaver, Soul on Ice) But of course the guy who started as a Black Muslim and then a Black Panther became a Mormon and a Republican, so don't put too much stock in it.
soulrebel68 1 year ago
Hey have you heard the versions of I got Rhythm and Sweet Georgia Brown from the same gig, truly incredible.
grfellows 2 years ago
Lovely bit of history you have there - I cherish my original Savoy copy of "KOKO" by Parker as well as all the early Diz/Bird collaborations. I love the fact that Bird turns Gershwin into the Blues!
toddehill 2 years ago
charlie parker has great compositions he and miles davis are a great team nice video
Eric4Cartman 2 years ago
I thought this was Oscar Peterson on piano
henrywasserman 2 years ago
The label says Arnold Ross on piano. Found this blurb online, "Arnold Ross will always be best-remembered for the brilliant chorus he took on the Jazz At The Philharmonic version of "Lady Be Good" that directly preceded Charlie Parker's classic solo in 1946."
cdbpdx 2 years ago
Lee Young was alive in LA in 2006...
mymusicdiscovery 2 years ago
What a delightful find -- thanx for sharing!
bronxbarbiedolla 2 years ago
bird lives!
valeo626 2 years ago
great...
Gigsixstring 2 years ago
First heard this on an old clef LP i grew up listening to, and now got it on CD (on the complete JATP on verve 1944-49). You got yerself a find cd, don't let it go 4 money, marbles or chalk!! ;-D
kennyrocksable 2 years ago
Sounds almost like the proper needle was used, but a bit noisy. Be sure that it's a 3 mil, and diamond. If a stereo cartridge is used, the two channels can be wired in parallel for excellent vertical modulation cancellation. If the stylus shank is cut so that the stylus is very close to the rubber yoke, results will be best. Shellac records can sound quite good with little surface noise.
td1238 2 years ago
After a long day its great to sit back and Hear the Bird along with the vinyl scratches!!!!
Station75 2 years ago
Along with the exquisite music, I adore your lap dissolve from the still image to the moving disc---awesome! I am going to have to pay you royalties when I start posting new and original 78 rpm blues and jazz releases, will do it the exact same way. I just pulled from my record closet some 12" 78 rpms I had totally forgotten about on the Keystone, Philo, Signature and Comet labels, old, dusty and, like your disc here, with a warp. Thanks a million for posting. Will consider relasing 12" 78 rpms
KojiRecords 2 years ago
Congratulations!
BeJi74 2 years ago
It's also worth noting that drummer Lee Young is, in fact, the brother of Lester Young.
SwingMan1937 2 years ago
Yep - as far as I know, this wasn't in any album set, but it's part of Norman Granz' Jazz At The Philharmonic series. From the same concert that produced the original JATP Volumes 2 & 3 (not only is the personel identical, the original number - 2005 - goes right after my Vol. 3 12" 78's of Disc label #'s 2003 & 2004).
$.50? Warped but no cracks? You've got a piece of jazz history for a song, my friend (pun intended ;) ).
SwingMan1937 2 years ago
I've got this same concert on my computer (in excellent quality). It says Mercury 11075 - Concert recorded for Mercury Records at Philharmonic Auditorium, Los Angeles, date;1/28/46 w/Howard McGhee, Al Killian (tpt), Willie Smith (as), Lester Young (ts), Arnold Ross (p), Billy Hadnott (b), Lee Young (d) .It is 11 minutes and 7 seconds in duration.
anyway ... .right or wrong, that's the information I have
panlight 2 years ago 2
Sounds good to me. Thanks!
cdbpdx 2 years ago