XBMC on Raspberry Pi SCALE 10x 2012

[renkinjutsu01]

I wonder what distro it's running in order to take advantage of the gpu

[HiroshiOu]

Damn, I remembered back in the day the XBMC on Xbox 1 couldn't even run 480P H264 smoothly at times. This is truly awesome!

[AltamishM]

5 people will never find happiness.

[darjanator]

What if video has DTS audio? Will the Raspberry be able to decode and output via HDMI?

[bubblewaretechnology]

Like the usb drive, Rock Chalk

[barfoneandonly]

@g00mp visit the project website

[g00mp]

@barfoneandonly Will do! Thanks!

[barfonne]

Goto raspberrypi(.org) for details. Available end of Feb 2012 no preordering allowed

[g00mp]

@barfonne are you serious? That's like when someone tells you: "oh I have to tell you something, then the mofo changes his/her mind and says: "nawww it's better if I don' tell you".

I fucking hate that lol

[ramas456]

I want this cigarette box size pc right now!!! where i can buy one?

[Fekillix]

@ramas456 As said, check out RaspberryPI(.)com, it will be released in a few weeks :3

[srgtfx]

overflow?

[JasonJavac]

very nice, works better thanboth my xbmc4xbox and my old 1.7GHz laptop running a live version of xbmc from flash, both at way lower res, can't wait for the R_Pi to go on general release :)

[brianmel92]

this is my idea for purchasing the Raspberry Pi

[52pkk]

@brianmel92

same here can't wait to get my hands on one of these bad boys

[alienhddna]

are they going have a case for it

[iopqu]

is it supposed to be playing only at 8 fps?

[suxatguitar1]

@iopqu He addressed this, it's incorrect. The video clearly plays smoothly.

[ehab007bob]

is it available for sale ?

[gc3k]

can you imagine 5-10 years from now buying a do-everything pc for like $10 at walmart O_O

[Smaug]

Hello guys... does the OS support soft subtitles?

[azcension]

buying soon

[DeadlyDad]

1080P video on a computer the size of a deck of cards for only $35? MIND. BLOWN.

[TonyVisi0n]

Where do you get this??

[FixMyCodeBlog]

I will cross-compile the ass out of my software.

[mobeen1982]

U COCK TEASING BASTARDS

[magnatrope]

KU Jayhawks REPRESENT

[Greendogo]

That sure is a nice Jayhawk on that thumb drive you have there.

[ShoTown]

Well played, well played.

[xGenGameplays]

8 fps? Lololol

[PTNLemay]

Will it run VLC?

[HornetBlack]

@PTNLemay Yes, but you need to cross-compile it for ARM. VLC have yet to release a ARM ready version. You need to compile the thing your self.

it's a bit hard when there's multiple different version of ARM. (ARM is an instruction set and architecture, like x86)

[PTNLemay]

@HornetBlack

Well... it's original purpose was to help people learn computer programming and code. I guess I'll just have to force myself to learn! lol

I just really like VLC, it's light, simple, and plays almost anything.

[HornetBlack]

@PTNLemay Well VLC was made as a university assignment so yes. Cross-compiling into ARM is a lot harder than most things in computing (hence why everyone uses Arduino, it's easy) CodeSourcery I have found to be the most reliable. VLC is based on FFmpeg (the software that does all the leg work) So does XBMC, also VLC is written in Qt (graphics), Which Nokia have managed to put on this device. So there's not a lot of work to do. Just learn Cross Compiling. Grab eclipse and CodeSourcery.

[TheAwesomeSherman]

@HornetBlack While VLC and XBMC both use FFmpeg, I have found XBMC to be much more reliable, easy to use, and videos just look better on it. Right now I run XBMC on my main PC using my TV as a Secondary Monitot (@ 1080p of course).

I've run tests with XBMC vs VLC in playing 1080p Videos, and upscaling SD Videos (with various formats, and ensuring that my Graphics card had the same settings for each program).

XBMC always won. The colours appeared to be much better, it upscaled better

[TheAwesomeSherman]

, and it was just simply less buggy.

Also I just like XBMC as I've been using it on my xbox for years and it's always been amazing.

I only recently got an HDTV, so my xbox has now been retired as my media player.

It can output 1080i, but can only decode SOME 720p videos reliably.

It does upscale SD stuff nicely though, not as well as my PC can but for the hardware it has, very impressive.

Anyway, that's just my opinion

[HornetBlack]

@TheAwesomeSherman XBMC is geared towards this sort of application, it was originally designed to be a media centre application for the Xbox. I'm simply looking at the possibility for it to run on an ARM cpu. Most open source products will, all you need to do is get it to compile, as well as having the OS to run it. XBMC has a version with OS included, I would recommend it for this sort of device. (you don't have to find an OS, install the OS, then install the program)

[HornetBlack]

@HornetBlack MythTV would also be a good option. As long as you can get it to work.

[dingumfCallofDuty]

Will it run hi10p profile for x264?

[keithah]

@dingumfCallofDuty is hi10p the 10bit color stuff? If so, I'm told very few (if any) hardware decoders support that. XBMC itself does, but on devices like this we are at the mercy of the hardware decoder.

[dingumfCallofDuty]

@keithah Yes it is video that use 10 bit for better compression. Knowing how new hi10p is, raspberry pi probably won't support it.

[Batteripakke60]

Just release it already! D:

[YTBYlover]

"plays some 1080p videos"

There are 1080p videos it can't play?

[keithah]

@YTBYlover Correct. VP8, MPEG2, MPEG4 ASP and various other formats are not handled by the hardware decoder that the R-Pi utilizes. It is only licensed for H.264.

[vedranart]

Tell me, how fine are working videos from 10-25GB, like FULL HD/Blu Ray videos on Raspberry Pi?

Because, when I tried to play some on my PC (which is faster then RPi), it stuttered badly...

Also, is there a way of ordering RaspberryPi online and ship in Europe? Tnx! ;)

[Vu1turEMaN]

@vedranart faster means absolutely nothing. Your video card must be able to handle them, and the video drivers must be up to date.

FYI, this is the same test video that Broadcomm used to demo their CrystalHD video processing chip on the Inspiron 1012 netbook (which rocks it pretty hard by the way). v=dkhIZqOePps

[saxon161]

@vedranart

Its not out yet, also when it does the initial shipment will be uk only

The Pi's main board can be found in media players, thats why it playes so well

Also, the 1080p video needs to be in specific formats, but normal use would only require 720p, unless you want to waste space for the film. Unless its avatar :)

[sstproductionsmi]

@saxon161

Initial shipment will be world wide.

Resolution has nothing to do with file formats. The units for sure play x264. Any other file container requires licensing, which may be more money than the foundation wants to spend. They haven't yet released what types of media the Pi will be able to play. Please don't talk about things that you have no clue about.

[keithah]

@vedranart The size of the file has nothing to do with the ability for a hardware decoder to play it.

If it's stuttering it's usually either CPU or network bottleneck. Hitting 'o' while a video is playing in XBMC is helpful in debugging this, but copying it locally helps too.

Since we're using a hardware decoder, the speed of the CPU (yours or the R-Pi's) doesn't make a diff.

[ThalesII]

Can it run Linux from a flash drive?

[sstproductionsmi]

@ThalesII

It's in the FAQ at their site, but it will boot from the SD slot.

[ThalesII]

...but will it blend?

[dmarkes42]

i'm throwing my wallet at the screen but nothing is happening

[ripperzane]

@dmarkes42 This was the best comment EVER!

[nunspa]

@dmarkes42 Sir you win the internet... I'm shutting off my laptop now and going to sleep.. well played sir... well played

[TheRagadavi]

@dmarkes42 i know wtf! I WANT TO PRE ORDER NOW!!!!

[aliancemd]

Anyone has any idea how to make a WiFi/Bluetooth remote control for it? I want to put Ubuntu with a Internet TV program and XBMC on it and then connect a wifi or bluetooth receiver to the board and with a WiFi/Bluetooth transmiter to control it...

[Methanoid]

Is nobody else concerned about the CPU usage (90% around 38s into the video). Does the Pi have enough grunt?

[aliancemd]

@Methanoid You can overclock the CPU

[Methanoid]

@aliancemd can you? how and how far?

[aliancemd]

@Methanoid That's the problem, I don't know how to make one, I'm asking if someone knows. I found DIY WiFi Transmiter and Receiver for 25$(200m distance) but I was hoping that I can make it myself.

[sstproductionsmi]

@Methanoid

No, as that's only on the menu. Video playback is handled by the GPU, and CPU usage will drop to around 10% from the other demos I've seen. Also, I don't know for sure which build of XBMC this is, but older versions had to redraw the entire frame on the menu. Newer, Pre-Eden beta versions use dirty regions, which means that only items that have changed need to be re-rendered. CPU usage should be no issue.

[jabbarman04]

So little... yet so powerful. And cheap too

[ZNahum81208]

If xbmc finally includes tv tuner recording, I will buy this in an instant!

[pejeno]

My Money: Take it!

[ElectricMuffinDude]

I know this might be a stupid question but i'm going to ask it anyway, will i se a difference in framerate if i run h264 video of a non animated film?

[DaVince21]

It works so well! It's... *sniff*... beautiful...

[apopheniacMCMLXXXIX]

Oh check it out, someone from Kansas.

I'm not a Jawyhawk fan though >.>

[Tyrantulas]

1) Put camera on tripod

2) Realize that YouTube offers at least 10 minutes per video, so no need to zoom through the important things that people want to see

3) Repost video following points 1 & 2

:|

[njbetzen]

@Tyrantulas Apologies. When we shot the video, our only option was my iPhone. Live and learn, I guess.

[keithah]

@Tyrantulas

1) We didn't have one at SCALE, where we were at.

2) What do you want to see we missed?

3) Unable to repost, the 2 guys who posted it aren't near each other as well. We had it for SCALE. We made a quick little video. We will not have another chance for that until after release.

[Tyrantulas]

@keithah

1) In the future, move your demonstration to where the where the real equipment is at and prepare for the fact that you're going to be giving the first presentation of your product to eager fans, not shooting "Girls with Low Self Esteem vol 8."

2) I'd like to see this same demonstration, presented at a speed not reserved for "get your pants on, I think my parents are home"

3) Skype does exist. One person shoot the video, the other person present the narration. Just work it out.

[pinoyjr]

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!

[Redhotsmasher]

What's with the frame rate numbers on screen in this video? 0.00hz? 24fps video obviously being played back at 24fps with the frame rate counter indicating 8.?? fps? Buggy beta software?

[Redhotsmasher]

@Redhotsmasher Oh, and if the answer to this is mentioned by the narrator I didn't hear it, my speakers are switched off as it's 1 am.

[t0rakka2007]

@Redhotsmasher The overlay is *updated* at 8 fps, the video is p24.

[OwtDaftUK]

is it dangrous to have all the parts exposed wont you get electrocuted?

[daoneTM]

@OwtDaftUK electrocuted by 5V?

[OwtDaftUK]

@daoneTM I know nothing about that stuff lol.

[vchris407]

What's xbmc stand for? Sorry I just heard about this

[jvsjmedia]

@vchris407 XBMC was in the past at first developed for a modded Xbox 1. The name is: XBox Media Center. However, this media solutions was so succesful, so they kept developing/porting it for many devices.

[silentthunder890]

pretty cool... but don't most HDTVs come with a USB slot anyway?!

[WnuckVader]

@silentthunder890

Maybe, but they may not have the codecs you need.

[keithah]

@silentthunder890 And they're not very useful. Most TVs don't support MKV and if they do no downmixing of AC3/etc. Check out XBMC if you haven't already.

[scienide77]

Can't wait for this to come out ... I build a low power tv server using tvheadend this weekend and i would love to test the raspberry out as xbmc/tvheadend clients on my tv's !

[keithah]

@scienide77 Me too and I'm sure the R-PI will work, once theres a XBMC-PVR build for it. I use TVHeadend with my ATV2 and it works well (except on HD mpeg2 streams, because the hardware decoder for both ATV2 and R-PI is not licensed for MPEG2)

[scienide77]

@keithah No problem, there are hardly any mpeg2 hd channels around anymore, at least i couldnt find any in the list of channels in my favorites, as long as it handles h264 im a happy camper. Can record from HD mpeg2 channels anyway, so it's not a big deal.. Exciting times ahead, can't wait to get one of these...

[keithah]

@scienide77 All QAM and ATSC channels I can access are mpeg2. Where do you live?

[scienide77]

@keithah Netherlands, access to sky uk, canal digitaal on dvb-s2 and a provider on dvb-c ...

[keithah]

@scienide77 Lucky! Everything in the US is still MPEG2 as far as free options. I wish I didn't have to do the cablecard stuff and had a real standard like DVB out here.

[scienide77]

@keithah h264 is the future, i dont expect hd mpeg2 to be around much longer...

[keithah]

@scienide77 I fully expect it to be around another 10 years, at least, since it's what the ATSC standard uses and we(united states) has gear that only does MPEG2 for our OTA broadcasting. It might be like NTSC which survived what, 30-40 years?

[DBBruijn]

This is perfect, I've made a post on Reddit a couple of days ago titled: project idea: RaspberryTV

One of the steps was Install XBMC on you RaspberryPI board, but that created a discussion if it was possible or not to port XBMC on a RaspberryPI.

You guys have made my project so much easier thanks a million times! reddit/r/raspberry_pi/comments­/on1fn/project_idea_raspberryt­v/

[scienide77]

@DBBruijn I am building a low power tv server with tvheadend and these raspberrypi boards look great to use as a client, i never expected that the system would be capable of that much performance, i hope openelec will support the raspberry pi soon!

[silentstealth1248]

I CAME RASPBERRIES

[CagedTurkey]

*faints*

[whoiscuriousgeorge]

The potential of this is mind-boggling. With a Pi and 2.5" USB SATA HDD caddy you could have 1TB of content and a machine to play it in your pocket, potentially using your smartphone or cheap IR remote to control it.

Any place that has a TV with HDMI input can become a media centre within seconds. And that's incredible.

[ElBeefcake]

I've been wondering if the Pi can decode 5.1 DTS and Dolby.

[keithah]

@ElBeefcake Yup, pretty sure the GPU can handle that, if not, XBMC does it in software. The video definitely has AC3 and I'm sure DTS works too.

[babyjokes250]

so i heard this is for 25/35 bucks? Im sold where do I buy? and when is the date this gonna be release?

[WnuckVader]

@babyjokes250

you can buy it at the store at the homepage raspberrypi org soon.

The first 10.000 pieces are only the 35 Bucks boards with 256 mb ram and ethernet.

A final release date isn't out, yet.

[combatLaCarie]

can it play those 8gb mkvs over the lan?

[keithah]

@combatLaCarie Of course, just like everything XBMC runs on!

[Peddster1]

Shut up and take my money

[bigzaqui]

@Peddster1 the awkward moment when I was going to write the same damn thing xD

[HAUDEGEN20]

GIVE IT TO ME!!!

[Bloodred16ro]

@AquaFox89 No, that was the framerate of the information overlay window, the video framerate was 24FPS, look above.

[candIejac]

all of my wants

[AquaFox89]

8 fps? Is the video showing at 8 fps?

[eightbowl]

@AquaFox89 Did you even watch the video? He said it was incorrect. Also the video clearly shows the video is running.

[WnuckVader]

@AquaFox89

yes, but that's wrong.

remember, that's an alpha version of a software for a hardware which isn't on the market, yet.

[shaurz]

Surprised how well this works! What video formats can it play?

[keithah]

@shaurz H.264 stuff in hardware for HD, most other SD formats in software decoding.

[shaurz]

@keithah No MPEG4, VP8?

[keithah]

@shaurz MPEG-4 is too generic. Yes it supports MPEG-4, but only licensed for AVC. ASP(Advanced Simple Profile) might be supported in HW in addition to VP8, but theres not licensing for them so they are disabled.

Sorta like how the Apple hardware decoder can probably do it.

Not to say some aspiring hardware hacker couldn't get it and figure out how-to enable it, as it stands the R-PI only does H.264 hardware decoding.

[cycletank]

Bring on the cheap computing revolution!

[blablameh]

Mmm, raspberry pie

[VilianAtmadzhov]

"Total memory: 122MB

Free memory: 94MB"

Is this the Model A with 128MB RAM,6MB given to the GPU?

Or this is the Model B with 256MB RAM,with 134MB!!! given to the GPU?

Or the alpha boards are a bit different to what we will get?

[Reallynotnick]

@VilianAtmadzhov It's a Model B, it has an Ethernet port and 2 USB ports.

[VilianAtmadzhov]

@Reallynotnick Then the Model As will not have much RAM to play with if the GPU takes more than half of it.

[Reallynotnick]

@VilianAtmadzhov Correct assuming the numbers it gives are correct and that is actually the amount of RAM it needs and isn't over allocating RAM to the GPU. Not to mention this software is probably very unoptimized at this point, so I would expect it to improve.

[grimly64247]

Will this board run with the new xorg-server-1.11?

[turbis]

will videos run out of the box or do i need to convert them to a standard format for the rpi?

[ktownskates]

Wow this is great. Can't wait for the release.

[d341d]

and it looking beautiful!

[StormadoMan]

Another potential customer coverted into a real customer..!



[0815something]

@StormadoMan With 35 bucks per Pi, how can one not be a "real customer"? You can always donate it to a school, should you decide not to like it ;)

[StormadoMan]

@0815something :) very true! Thing is I really think I will like it even more now..

[sacpelicancom]

WOW i'm so impressed. Great job !

[paulwebsteruk]

Would be good to see how CPU (rather than GPU) decoding of non H.264 source material works (GPU not licensed to handle other formats it seems - to keep retail price down)

[av21389]

The port described as digital audio in this video is actually composite video output. Unfortunately the only digital audio out is through HDMI.

[maiaadriano]

Seeing it in action is just flabbergasting... Impressive!

Is it possible to do a breakdown of what formats/resolutions/codecs the R-Pi is able to handle? I'm assuming 1080p3D is out of the question, as well as 1080p60 and/or very high bitrate streams, right? And what about audio? Should I even be worried if I connect it to a receiver capable of handling 5.1 DTS-MA?

By the way, GREAT WORK!

[wttwoa]

@maiaadriano i think the only codec it has is h.264

[maiaadriano]

@wttwoa I seriously hope that doesn't mean I'll be needing to transcode my complete collection to h.264 to be able to play it with the R-Pi... I think quite a good chunk of it already has been encoded using that codec, but it would be a COLOSSAL pain for the files that aren't...

[wttwoa]

what is the Serial connection used for?

[mdd4545]

the orange Coax is used for digital audio or composite video?

[maiaadriano]

@mdd4545 Composite video out. Audio out is either 3.5mm analog or HDMI digital. Check the cool reference sheet over at the FAQs page on the Raspberry Pi website.

[maiaadriano]

@mdd4545 Oh, by the way, that is an alpha board. Beta boards are smaller, and lack the buttons (and I believe also the LEDs), to save on costs, but have the same I/O options (I think serial is being derived from the GPIO connector on this board).

[JuraganLED]

Extremely want this raspberry pi!!!

[jjjjango]

Just awesome!

[FireflyTi]

Amazing. Happened to see that there's still 94MB of RAM left, which makes me extremely happy!

[notslim1]

move over atv2

[pants613]

@notslim1 My thoughts exactly. The ATV2's inability to playback 60fps encoded video has me hoping this thing is ready soon.

[keithah]

@pants613 Don't count on this doing 60fps either, since its out of blu-ray spec.

[zwete]

@notslim1 Why? I thought people were satisfied without support for common formats and 720p video only.