Jizya tax by the way is for non-Muslims but Muslims have to pay a parallel tax zakat (which at the time was collected from the people, it's compulsory not a choice) which the non Muslims don't have to. Plus the non Muslims don't have to fight in the wars but the Muslims have to. It's very misleading to say that non Muslims are taxed when infact the Muslims had to pay their zakat (collected compulsory)
i cant believe the ignorance of the christians,beth doesnt have a clue and i think this way jay at his worst,thumbs up to adnan and hamza,alhamdolillah
It's a shame commercial airliner black boxes are not made of the same indestructable material as Mr Muhhamed Atta's passport. How do several of the alleged hijackers of 9/11 somehow turn up alive and well?
ALLAH GUIDE US ALL. subhanallah these type of debates arent constructive at all....i think allhumdulilah that i think that a woman goes thru a lot more than physical pain during menstation.......also if a woman and man are both on the same religion they will both understand the laws ordained to them....allah guide us all. we will all be held to account for our actions..allah guide us all.
Hamza needs to refer more to the quran as a reference for his wisdom then to keep saying we use knowledge and wisdom for our way of living, where are his references?
why bring a girl to a mans fight. beth needs another women for her testamony. she is clearly lieing and does not know any thing about the way of life(ISLAM).
@TheTheman45 Yes, the Muslim way is to hide women in the corner and not allow them to speak except through notes on paper. That's what you'd like, right?
It's people like Jay Smith who distort Islam with the lack of Intellectual knowledge in understanding Islam or even trying to do so. Beth is a dummy ( Big time ignorant) ask me if I am oppressed,I am muslim woman,and please learn Islam from a qualified teacher, before debating the next time...May be just maybe you might get librated... cause that's what the truth of Islam does to you... it liberates you.
may allah guide this man jay smith.. he completely no idea of what he is talking! he thinks that although he has a little knowledge of islam(not to mention a fractin of a fraction) he talks like he knows the whole religion itself. ignorant ignorant..
It is not Jay Smith who needs God. It is you who needs Him. Come to Jesus He will give you rest and peace.
He is the redeemer of sinners like you. He has already redeemed Jay Smith. He is now Gods child unlike you. Face up like a real human and accept Jesus Christ.
The title is "What is more relevent for England.......Islam or Christianity?" However, the title appears over the flag for the British state and not the English flag.
"it is actually in the whole hadith.....i just dont have the rest of it with me right now" - beth....how convenient...make a claim and pretend like you forgot the rest of you proof to back it up. There is so much distortion here. I tried my best to be objective in my view in this debate but the amount of distortion beth and jay really killed their credibility. Once
Its ridiculous how many times Jay Smith completely manipulated quotes to fit his own view. Especially in terms of the treaty issues. He got his manipulation exposed on national radio. Wow....... his whole credibility went down the drain. I really hope all the listeners caught that.
@pje85254 Why do I need religious restraints? Coz, atheism does not have a standard of morality. ex: One atheist can drink, another says it is immoral act to be drunk. Religion has it. Remember the statistics, more than 90% of human being pray just before they die (Even many so called atheists do it as well). Why? Because religion is a hope. Therefore, religion can play a positive role in a human's life. Why do we have to ban it? Why do we have to eliminate religion from our lives?
@pje85254 Look, I am not religious, but I have respect to those people who believe in their god(s). Because I have lived in the biggest atheist community in the world for 18 years. And I have witnessed the "awesome" results of this beautiful atheism. About science, can u give me a name of a religion which denounce or reject science? And can u tell me a scientist who could prove there is no god? Every violent conflict on the planet was caused by politics not religions. why r u angry abt religion?
its clearly a fact that non muslims know nothin bout islam,that serves our case meaning it makes our job easier but we do really want ppl 2 really know bout islam
Why in very debate, Christians are unprepared, don't know Islam and use too much fales statements and as a result: busted?!!! I am a Muslim, and I am ready to change my belief if you Christians satisfy me by giving a rational argument supported by a correct statement. PLEASE learn what a debate is guys!!! PLEASE!!! I now deeply believe in Islam. Thank Allah for every thing given to me.
THE BIBLE SAYS A WOMEN IS UNCLEAN DURING HER PERIODS AND SHOULD NOT ENTER THE CHURCH DURING HER PERIODS :D it also says in the bible that a women is UNCLEAN for 1 MONTH after she gave birth and she should be kept in ISOLATION for an entire month :D so there goes your JUDEACHRISTIAN values
Where does it say that women shouldn't enter church? Please give a reference, I don't know of any. Some of the details in the rest of what you say aren't acurate either.
@TurkishMujahid unclean in this sence is ritually unclean not literally unclean there is a very big difference. what on earth does this have to do with judeochristian values?! isolation in ritual context simply means that she can't go to temple or come in contact with those people who perform at the temple or come into contact with items that these people will touch while performing their duties. isolation by no means being cast out or forbiden to communicate with members of society.
SubhanAllah, Jay Smith and Beth were blown away....they just could not even provide any factual evidence and were exposed big time...The truth stands out clear...Based on Jays arguement the society we live in today in the west is better than ever before and thats due to Christianity....this society is crumbling and it dont take a genius to see that...It needs Islam to revive and revive us all
She have no knowledge about islam!!! Go study qur'an and hadith!!!! kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!! cover your hear and your body women!!! even your bible says that!!!
Hamza was speaking if Islamic Law is applied, then it would solve humanity problems and he referred to golden ages in islamic history. Jay smith is referring to the bad condiitons of muslim countries today. The problem with Jay's argument is that these muslim countries are not currently applying Sharia law.
Solve humanities problems?? Really? Do you know ANYTHING about Islamic Law? Look at states like Saudia, or the Afghanistan during Taliban rule. People living under Islamic law live lives of oppression and injustice. Especially the women.
Cutting off people's limbs, whippings, beatings, women treated like half of a human being...yeah, that sounds like solutions alright....
It's apparent that Jay Smith and the other woman have not studied Islam as they should have, for the arguments they made can be refuted by Muslims beginning their preliminary studies of Islam. However, I was disappointed at how fataawa of Imam Malik, Shafi'i, etc were waved aside as not representing Islam. They have contributed a lot to our religion, as have many scholars of the early generations who have shed light on Qur'anic verses and hadith, may Allah have mercy on them.
this debate is a joke,was a waste of time for hamza n adnan .is clearly beth and jay have no knowledge of islam,they have been caught numbers of time trying to change the hadith and the quran to support their points.beth said she did her thesis in malik school of thought i wonder how could her supervisor allow her while she doesn't know the tafsir of quran and the hadith
@souljahood You're right the dabate is a joke - neither of these religions (nor any religion) is relevant to the UK in the 21st Century. Only through human rational critical thought can society progress.
Hi guys if you want to see real debate, ex muslims whose scales have fallen from their eyes like paul, debating with Muslim who scales have not yet fallen, but about to. google faithfreedomorg or Ali Sina. Watch Ali Sina wiping the floor with Tzortzis and Nadir Ahmed. Thousands of intelligent muslims are visiting this site and after listening to what Islam is doing to muslims are leaving the faith
I have read hamza debate with Ali Sina. Ali Sina made him look like an idiot. He was desperately trying to validate, the muslims only claim that the Quran itself is a literary miracle. Ali Sina wiped the floor with him. Ali Sina is an ex muslim who is now proving to the world how assinine Islam is. google faith freedom
jay is a loser..a polytheist..he worships creation instead of the Creator..jay is headed for the FIRE..dumb ass christians worshipping a man God,total blasphemy..surely they will pay the price 1day,and on the day of judgement they will of the losers...deaf dumb n blind they return not to the true path
This is for any Muslims wanting to know the truth about Banu Qurayza or the so called slaughter of the Jews in Madina. It is unanimously agreed upon by the scholars of the time of Ibn Ishaq and afterwards, that Ibn Ishaq was a complete liar or an imposter.
Even Ibn Hashim, omitted some of the stories Ibn Ishaq had written because they were so outrageous. Imam Malik, who was a contemporary of Ibn Ishaq called him a liar. Please do research on this matter and you will see clearly.
Islam means a full submission to almighty God who doesn't have partner. Islam is a way of life to love the humanity and spread the peace and liberate the people who used to be tortured and killed under Crusaders who lived in the dark age. Muslim were really strong in their belief and they dedicated their lives to help to humanity. Read the history and see how non believers practiced their religions freely in Muslim countries. Read the history of Muslims you will know the truth.
@anatyeb If Islam loves humanity exsplain what do you do with these verses in the Quran. We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12 Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28,Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65, Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them, 9:5,Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14.
@FiiyaMan If he is such a laugh. Why so many promanent muslims want to debate him. Why so many death threats. Why no one can shut him up with a decent response. He has even comfirmed for me that Zakir Naik is an idiot. I always thought Zakir Naik was a fraud and Sina has clearly demonstrated. I tell you man Muslim be careful of that one. He is a man on a mission. I bet a muslim would like to do a Theo on him.
@mjr2168 ali sina is a nobody trust me. Ive read the debates and its clear to me who wins. Ali sinas lack of knowledge is shocking ive seen people have a better go than him.
@FiiyaMan Could you tell me what technique of textual criticism or logic did you use to come to that conclusion. Can you direct me to some valid sources that could make me think otherwise. Or has you blind, hero woshipping, feeling taken leave of you senses. You have heard the man say over and over again, that he would close his site if anybody defeated him. I believe he does not have to do that, if somebody does defeat him, that site would implode on itself. I trust reason only.
@FiiyaMan You dimwit the site would close by imploding into itself, because people would recognise the fallacy in the site. Clever muslims with their clever apologetics would disprove his accusations and everyone would see how correct they are and would automatically stop visiting his site. Think outside the box man.
@rodrimic1 i think u are the dimwit here matey, Ive read the debates, i know who won i dont need you to tell me who did. if he is so good why doesnt he come out and have a debate. And dont give me this nonsense about being scared for his life. There have been many debates carried out in a civilised manner.
@FiiyaMan yeah, you said it three times already. Just like a stunned mullet. Keep on repeating it to yourself like a mantra and maybe it may become a reality for you.
@FiiyaManThey were so strong in their beliefs that there came a time when it hardly mattered what exactly those beliefs were; they all fused into a single stubbornness.
@strangerlover11 Bukhari, volume 9, #57Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Are you blind or fooling yourself. Read Read
@strangerlover11 You dumbass, Luke 10:27 is a part of a parable about the return of the king. A parable is a story with spiritual meaning. Dont you muslims believe in the return of Jesus. This is exactly what he is referring to in this parable. You guys love shooting yourself in the foot dont ya. By misquoting scripture does not take Islam off the hook. Do you see christians doing that, you imbecile.
What's this brainless girl's name? Does she know what her corrupt bible say about her menstruation and her uncleanliness? This woman would be crucified by the standards of her bible
@Daz20sYou could be right mate, but at the same time the topic on mensturation could be a corrupt portion of the Bible. Poor stupid muslim women. Because of them suffering from stockholm syndrome they fail to realise their de humanisation. Check this out "I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541
LOL...its funny how non muslims say that muslim women ar oppressed...r u for real? Aint this the land of democracy and "free will" its nothing but a delusion. And when debating on this, they never seem to ask a MUSLIM women but rather someone who is biased and also say that she has muslom friends. Tut tut trust me if muslim women were oppressed, especially in this country, then this wouldn't be raised because the mass people wearing the veil/hijab wouldn't exist. Get your facts striaght
She doesn't have Muslim friends.She is a missionary who studied for a degree at university based on lies and distortions and now she spends her time lying and trying to brainwash desperate refugees, especially those from Muslim countries.She pretends to be helping them but she only wants them to leave their religion and become like her,believing god is a man and that he died on a cross and rose again. if jesus is god and he died who was in charge of the world when he died?
Sadly, Muslims have proven over and over again that when they are in the minority, they want open minded thinking; when they are in the majority, ...too bad, you're doing it our way. This has already been proven.
Bayah means to give allegiance to your country, to the governmental and to your people. If I was a citizen of a country and then I caused distress by terrorising my neighbours, by raping the land, the people ,and threatening the stability of the country what would the government do? Would they send me roses and a letter commending me on my freedom?
Of course you don't understand Islam, you don't understand your self, your purpose in this life or even your future aspirations... you might as well die or live in a vacuum for the rest of your life. With the prevailing attitude you have formed no one will respect you, not even a dog.
You have oppressed your self, you have become less than a human, Islam will humanise you again, and in-still the correct moral values
Hamza talks about Oppression giving the bible and food to the refugees! well firstly if i were a refugee i'd throw out the bible and eat to survive. No charity foundation is forcing the weak to either convert or DIE as islam professes to do. Whats OPPRESSIVE is when women are forced to wear the niqab, not by will but by state enforcement. Women are vilified if they don't sleep with their husbands wants the wife in bed. When the men are given rights to HIT their wives! THAT IS OPPRESSION!
No they TAKE the Bible in ORDER for food to be put in their mouths. That is being OPPRESSIVE. Islam does not not kill the poor you liar. Don't lie and then make exaggerated inflated superficial claims that have no basis in Islam. What's oppressive is when Paul says women will be shaves clean if they don't wear the hijab in the temple, so don't be a hypocrite you filthy deviant. The ate does not enforce such a law, it is the LAW of God, and we submit to his will entirely.
Islam has a special para-dime, an encompassing faith, with a sophisticated judicial system far superior to the government systems of today. If you want to interpret the implementation of law to its citizens as being oppressive then you have certainly deluded your self.
words of guys, it looks that shariya law (as i also investigated into the fact) has a brilliantly impressive history centuries ago and they r very flexible.
faithful and trustworthy of what they were saying. Also as a matter of fact the current system of government increases poverty and hav huge amount of forced laws and taxes and crime as well. But if the muslim guys r correct then shariya law looks interesting as far as they do not force me to accept that there is something superficial called God for which, from the words of
& clear to me when i see the debate & they looked to b very strictly narrow minded). So the problem was with the christian guys and for their behaviour, which i already said was based on misinterpretations, wrong quotations and misunderstandings, they get
negative points. And as i found out that, as the muslim guys said, there is no muslim country under islamic sharia law is very true. So the
muslim party in the debate was very much felt to be faithful and
(i.e. these were original text languages) than who they come explain them better than the two muslim guys when the later also know Arabic & Hebrew?? As an atheist i found Jay and the lady to be totally adherent against the Shariya law and debating with ignorance of the past (as they most of the time found to talk in air without references and were successfully counter attacked by the muslim guys at those times when the former seem to create falsehood - which is very true & clear
Jay and the lady do not look to be quoting the references very much and when ever they quoted it was most of the time argued by the opposition holding the fact that the said verses were not from the Shariya law base authentic sources rather from other sources that led to misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the Shariya law by the Jay & lady- which was bad from their(Jay & lady) side, and it is very true that Jay & lady can not really understand the Arabic or Hebrew(i.e. these
what do these people even know about Christianity/Judaism they dont even speak hebrew or aramaic. they dont even understand "son of god" means servent of god, its not literal.
Jay is a twat and a snake u got exposed haha. u were just cutting and pasting u are such a muppet, well done Adnan bro and Hamza. PS DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE NAME OF THE NASHEED AT THE END PLEASE.
Islime is so stuck in dark ages that it is pathetic how this can be called anything but appropriate for humankind. LOL......
Oh, btw, mooooooslims know that this century is their last century. So this is why they try....and try....and try to prove islime works, whereas it does not.
The difference between Muslims and Christians is that they invent a lot of things to present Christianity where as Muslims just have to quote the Qur'an.
You don't understand the Muslim mind. The reason we Muslims believe in God is because it is the truth. There is no point in telling you a lie or believe in some lies to defend Islam, it is not going to take any Muslim anywhere. You need to understand that Muslims do not believe in craps. That's the reason the Muslims have devised a scientific method to verify the authenticity of the Hadith. We do not just accept all the Hadith people quote because it has to fit in with the method.
I don't care if it does or not as i'm a muslim i believe already that Quran was a miracle,a book with no doubt and we worship one god and we only have 1 Quran version and 2 Text versions [Different Fonts written same time]
Asalamu alaikum to the muslims , i just hate when christians lie about quran and hadith thats the worse sin you can do plus i almost loose control i feel like beating that jay smith guy he is a utter joke ive seen the debate with brother shabir , shabir won the debate but it shows you that christian is not the word of god it is just a man made illusion.
do you non muslims see what is going on here? are you brain dead? wake up!!
what the muslims are saying in this video is simple they are saying give us power to rule you ; we know best ,so trust us to give you a beneficent form of dictatorship!!
we'll protect you. trust us
muslims dont get it !! we dont want to be under their laws or control.
screw them the UK needs to deport them
hmm something tells me that them muslim hosts cant be trusted
YOU PEOPLE BETTER GET RIGHT WITH GOD READ YOUR Twenty-third Scroll, Ninth Verse GET RIGHT WITH GOD;GOD LOVES YOU.
Beware the beast man, for he is the devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his jungle lair: For he is the harbinger of death."
i loved the argument whereby hamza says that if islamic law was implemented you will not need 'so called missionairies' who provide charity in one hand and the bible on the other' that made laugh lol its so true
if a women give birth to a boy she be unclean for 40 days but if the same women give birth to a girl..she be unclean
for 80 days..unjustice..what bible talk about rape.LEVITICUS 11:10-12 , LEVITICUS 25:44-45 , JUDGES 21:10-24 EATING shell fish is in abomination But slavery and rape is oke
LMAOOOOOOOOO....Why would a religion that doesnt even allow free mixing of men and women outside marriage.. or sex b4 marriage.. why wud such a religion.. or N E RELIGION advocate rape LMAOOO... that one statement from the christian sister shows us how badly they are struggling in their arguements lol
@strangerlover11 YEP, we are not compulsed to follow a FAKE god's book, that was written by man, then was tried to be passed off as a book from a God! WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
@strangerlover11 ooohh wooww that was ur idea of a joke? hahahahahahahahahahaah looooll... << im laffin.. u have issues son.. ur a freshy that cant understand english properly by the looks of it.. coz u seem to be a muslim aswell from ur profile.. and yet disagreeing with my statement.. u show ur stupidity .. u have issues son, major issues.
@strangerlover11 LOOOOLL...you misinterpreted my comment or simply cannot read properly... read my comment again.. slowly... theres a reason why it has soo many thumbs up.. because i DID NOT give right for sex outside marriage... read it PROPERLY.. ur making urself look like a fool... im totally against sex outside marriage... u should relii keep away from arguing if u cant somprehend English properly.. no disrespect but u evidently cannot grasp the comment correctly.
@strangerlover11 hahahhahaah no but ur dad must of been, because the onli way he cudda given birth to a stupid son of a bitch like you was by fucking another man... admit it, ur the product of incest from ur father and ur ur uncle or suttin yeah?
"hahaahhahahhahha" < lmaoo ... ya poxy fool.. get a life.
You are so mad helloooooooo i did not fuck the vagina of your mom go ask them
who fuck your street whore mother you son of bitch i did not abused your mom but surely you must be son of bitch and a son of elligetamate..he before sleep must check your mother room.....its means .you are a gay.......hahahhaha
@strangerlover11 wat was dat? wat was dat? ur mum was impregnated by a dog?? ooOOoOhhh ..taht explains ur stupidity... i mean "elligetamate" is spellt "illegitimate"... spose i cant blame you, i mean ur mum was done by a dog to give birth to thee. "hahahahahah" loool...dumb motherfucker.
@strangerlover11 you is freshy bastorr and you kent ispeak enlish properly... are u sexually frustrated? why you tok bout ur ammah like thet? heh betteh? ut ammeh "vagina" very loose.. uknwo why? becuse u keep isitik ur head in it =D u sone of a bitch =) "HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!" lool U FAGGOT SHIT.
@strangerlover11 you wat? ur just proving that you are a product of incest.. ur intellectual ability matches that of a microcephalic inbred offspring... seriously, ur just proving urself to be a born retard. Its either in ur genetic make up to be a prick or your mother pbviously got boned by a donkey to conceive you.
@strangerlover11 WHAHAHA! Since your language is atrocious, there is no way you can be a TRUE religious believer. WHAHAHAHAHAH!
Your God would never allow such talk and will punish you severely for it. Get ready brother. How are you going to explain your BAD actions to a God? How are you going to convince a God that you were a good little boy, when all you do is INSULT people????????????????
wow wow wow and your god have given you free world whats come in your mind
use it against other now honestly think to yourself whe started frist abusing mother me or you if its started by you than shame on you....i never abuse any one mother unless they don't abuse my mother because have no mistake to be abuse.
lol Jay got caught lying. Maybe debtors should have the ability to playback what the other person said as the Muslim guy just did to Jay Smith and caught exposed him lying.
Jay lied and then he tries to talk over them and change the subject and generalize lol.
Why do Christians always have to be low and try to smear Islam. I have only seen two Christians debate with integrity and thats John Gilchrist and another guy.
I am sure glad I learned the truth and converted to Islam Ahumduallah.
1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created(all that exists),
2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen
5. Has taught man that which he knew not.
Clearly indicating a must, encouragement && neccessity to read, learn && write which are the basic principles of achieving academic success. Plus the success of Islam is clearly evident in History known as the Golden Era.
And Jay mentioned knowledge, education, literacy, the ability to read && write being incredibly low in the now so called "Muslim countries" or more rather the "highly Muslim populated countries" without the correct implementation of "Shari'a," yet he fails to understand that the very first revelation of the Qur;an was:
Assalamu 'alaikum, the ending documents are sooo beautiful in distrubuting && entitling everyone to equity && protection subhan Allah.
Secondly, I guess the chair of this debate was slightly bias && permitted Jay to speak up && defend more in comparison to the others including Beth. Thirdly, Hamza made a great contribution masha'Allah, && how impolite of the chair to assume he was "half-greek."
Lastly, selectively picking && choosing Qur'anic material is a technique well used by critics.
I'm glad you posted this and also followed with ayat-ul-Qur'an. May Allah grant to the Muslims all of what is good in this life and the ultimate success in the Akhirah.
The people of the book are convinced that their "wealth", "high literacy", and "freedom" is success, so let them have it. They do not realize that those are trials from Allah, and they surely will be questioned as to how they made use of the wealth, education, and freedom. We will see then what is success.
In just 40 minutes Isalmic students able to clarify their point of view well.Look at those learned christian brother and sister even with loud voice and multiple misquoats they were unable to point anything good rather repeat same old story that believe in a man god created by Paul and church will bring inner peace. The social evil prsent in the last 200 yrs such as alcohol ,poverty.pornography,divorce,intrest ,war and armsdealing etc are byproduct of this false belief.
It's taken 2000 years for the churches to go empty?!! Binge drinking? Highest rates ever of mental problems and depression? Is this where Chistianity has bought us? Surely, if we really believed Jesus to be the Lord, then we would adpot Christianity both at a state level as well as a personal level? How can this supposed God, Jesus not come into play in stately issues?!! I converted to Islam, after seeing the moral decline amongst so called Christians. By the way,Jesus prayed as Muslims do today
Today the western countries have prospered well comparativly to the so called Muslim countries.
The problem with this comparision is most of the so called Muslim countries are still suffering the effects of imperialistic past.The right comparision should be this.
In the middle ages,when Chruch held sway,the Islamic world was the most pewrful,wealthy,healthy,culturally sophicated etc.
salam, topic is about which is appropriate to europe at this point in time, islam or christianity, the three guys stated their ideas at the very start while the only lady listen and the moment she talks, she nails the coffin, as always it is the fans who calls better officiating than the referee and the players themselves, the lady won...
if this lady (beth) wants to quote the qur;an and haditz, she needs to go to shcolar of haditz and also using tafseer. quranic verses and haditz can not just simply picked and choose as she does. One more point, maybe you guys forgot that women in islamic populated countries even has reached the highest political position such as president , prime minister, (pakistan, indonesia, india, bangladesh)
maliki, hanafi, hambali and safii is not a shariah law, it's schools of thought withing islamic teaching. If you guys want to asses shariah law, it;s to be based on qur'an and shahih haditz.
i think hamza is very intelligent
ThePeaceWisdom 3 weeks ago 3
Jizya tax by the way is for non-Muslims but Muslims have to pay a parallel tax zakat (which at the time was collected from the people, it's compulsory not a choice) which the non Muslims don't have to. Plus the non Muslims don't have to fight in the wars but the Muslims have to. It's very misleading to say that non Muslims are taxed when infact the Muslims had to pay their zakat (collected compulsory)
amatulla1 4 months ago
@ThePeaceMissile women are considered as toys. Also the Koran says women are fields that men can enter and till as they please!!!!
irishxxkelt 4 months ago
@irishxxkelt jannah.org/sisters/womqursun (dot) html
WeAreGhuraba 4 months ago
Muslims do not understand debate, Jay Smith grew up in Northern India. Many Muslims grow up in ignorance. They do not know the Koran nor the Hadiths
irishxxkelt 4 months ago
@irishxxkelt Oh Muslims in india know nothing about Islam, and YOU in Ierland know everything about Islam?
Oh Pul-lease, give us a freaking break! DEDAT RAPED YOUR PASTORS lol
CrazyKitten00 4 months ago
@irishxxkelt I think you are being the ignorant one.
NiyyatAlinsan 2 months ago
@irishxxkelt
What the heck?!?! "Muslims do not understand debate" ...Are you implying that Hamza/Adnan didn't just RAPED Smith and that girl? O.o C'mon lol
auzer1000 2 weeks ago
i cant believe the ignorance of the christians,beth doesnt have a clue and i think this way jay at his worst,thumbs up to adnan and hamza,alhamdolillah
exposemyfoes 4 months ago
Jay smith is a devout undercover Muslim who act like a Christian evangelist in order to make Christianity look hopeless
Hamza5274 5 months ago
@ShotTakeFilms It's not a competition, it's a place of learning.
CheekiShit 5 months ago
Adnan: "The Sharia comes from the Quran and the Hadith"
The Female debater: "That's what you say the Sharia is"
no..seriously who invited that girl...she landed in a wrong spot.
lol that's what I call fail.
xXKyotachiXx 7 months ago
Agent Jay Smith
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
@ShotTakeFilms
It's a shame commercial airliner black boxes are not made of the same indestructable material as Mr Muhhamed Atta's passport. How do several of the alleged hijackers of 9/11 somehow turn up alive and well?
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
Muslims
Hamza5274 9 months ago
Christians only win debates when they don't invitebm
Hamza5274 9 months ago
ALLAH GUIDE US ALL. subhanallah these type of debates arent constructive at all....i think allhumdulilah that i think that a woman goes thru a lot more than physical pain during menstation.......also if a woman and man are both on the same religion they will both understand the laws ordained to them....allah guide us all. we will all be held to account for our actions..allah guide us all.
CALLUMILYAS1974 10 months ago
57:53 ----> owned lol
Domna7 10 months ago
Hamza needs to refer more to the quran as a reference for his wisdom then to keep saying we use knowledge and wisdom for our way of living, where are his references?
seantrammell 1 year ago
Sum1 pliz tell me the nasheed at 0:27
riazxfiles 1 year ago
I dont realy know what i should call smith and that lady,liar or a dummy.....?
i think i'll go for dummy lol
z4Peace 1 year ago
why bring a girl to a mans fight. beth needs another women for her testamony. she is clearly lieing and does not know any thing about the way of life(ISLAM).
TheTheman45 1 year ago
@TheTheman45 Yes, the Muslim way is to hide women in the corner and not allow them to speak except through notes on paper. That's what you'd like, right?
mapleavenue77 1 year ago
@TheTheman45 they bring Female to prove fakely that they treat them equally... they even bring female in man's Shaving Cream ADD.. hehee
revosys 11 months ago
why bring a girl to a mans fight.
TheTheman45 1 year ago
Relationship with your Allah is silm, the inaner peace you can only get by being Muslim.
Muslim means one who submits and get the silm as a result.
And, submission means you stay away from haram (forbidden)through Continuous Self Improvement, also referred to as the bigger jihad.
Allah is extremely forgiving and merciful, and values good intentions & seriousness.
Muslim lives revolve around conducting oneself in life is to die a Muslim (submitted) earn eternal peace and paradise
alfatourist 1 year ago
It's people like Jay Smith who distort Islam with the lack of Intellectual knowledge in understanding Islam or even trying to do so. Beth is a dummy ( Big time ignorant) ask me if I am oppressed,I am muslim woman,and please learn Islam from a qualified teacher, before debating the next time...May be just maybe you might get librated... cause that's what the truth of Islam does to you... it liberates you.
55muslima 1 year ago
why do Christians even try every time they get owned. The only debate ive seen Christians win is when they forget to invite the muslims
torn424 1 year ago
@torn424 lol good 1 ikee
abdurrauf02 1 year ago
may allah guide this man jay smith.. he completely no idea of what he is talking! he thinks that although he has a little knowledge of islam(not to mention a fractin of a fraction) he talks like he knows the whole religion itself. ignorant ignorant..
91sherry 1 year ago
@91sherry
It is not Jay Smith who needs God. It is you who needs Him. Come to Jesus He will give you rest and peace.
He is the redeemer of sinners like you. He has already redeemed Jay Smith. He is now Gods child unlike you. Face up like a real human and accept Jesus Christ.
alshabbah 1 year ago
The title is "What is more relevent for England.......Islam or Christianity?" However, the title appears over the flag for the British state and not the English flag.
DIBBY40 1 year ago
hahahahaha!! these muslims are good historians!! never make sense on any thing!!
and they look so suspecious.
shalimaar444 1 year ago
@shalimaar444 How, show me.. lol.
edlgotbanged 1 year ago
"it is actually in the whole hadith.....i just dont have the rest of it with me right now" - beth....how convenient...make a claim and pretend like you forgot the rest of you proof to back it up. There is so much distortion here. I tried my best to be objective in my view in this debate but the amount of distortion beth and jay really killed their credibility. Once
DeltaMartialArt 1 year ago
Its ridiculous how many times Jay Smith completely manipulated quotes to fit his own view. Especially in terms of the treaty issues. He got his manipulation exposed on national radio. Wow....... his whole credibility went down the drain. I really hope all the listeners caught that.
DeltaMartialArt 1 year ago
Why don't they reflect upon the Scriptures with proper, unbiased understanding?
Come to common terms as between us & you. We should worship none but Allah, the One who has power over all.
mohammad7aman 1 year ago
@pje85254 Why do I need religious restraints? Coz, atheism does not have a standard of morality. ex: One atheist can drink, another says it is immoral act to be drunk. Religion has it. Remember the statistics, more than 90% of human being pray just before they die (Even many so called atheists do it as well). Why? Because religion is a hope. Therefore, religion can play a positive role in a human's life. Why do we have to ban it? Why do we have to eliminate religion from our lives?
UighurKnight 1 year ago
@UighurKnight one thing to remember my brother u will never find a athiest on a sinking ship lol
exposemyfoes 1 year ago
@pje85254 Look, I am not religious, but I have respect to those people who believe in their god(s). Because I have lived in the biggest atheist community in the world for 18 years. And I have witnessed the "awesome" results of this beautiful atheism. About science, can u give me a name of a religion which denounce or reject science? And can u tell me a scientist who could prove there is no god? Every violent conflict on the planet was caused by politics not religions. why r u angry abt religion?
UighurKnight 1 year ago
its clearly a fact that non muslims know nothin bout islam,that serves our case meaning it makes our job easier but we do really want ppl 2 really know bout islam
HIMAZZZ1991 1 year ago
jay can't even look at the brothers - it's funny because he stinks the most out of the other three in the room. learn how to make ghusl, jay.
agreeableviews816 1 year ago
Can you offer me a link with the source and the text with all the treaties?
MrNiceGuy114 1 year ago
Why in very debate, Christians are unprepared, don't know Islam and use too much fales statements and as a result: busted?!!! I am a Muslim, and I am ready to change my belief if you Christians satisfy me by giving a rational argument supported by a correct statement. PLEASE learn what a debate is guys!!! PLEASE!!! I now deeply believe in Islam. Thank Allah for every thing given to me.
UighurKnight 1 year ago
THE BIBLE SAYS A WOMEN IS UNCLEAN DURING HER PERIODS AND SHOULD NOT ENTER THE CHURCH DURING HER PERIODS :D it also says in the bible that a women is UNCLEAN for 1 MONTH after she gave birth and she should be kept in ISOLATION for an entire month :D so there goes your JUDEACHRISTIAN values
TurkishMujahid 1 year ago
@TurkishMujahid
Where does it say that women shouldn't enter church? Please give a reference, I don't know of any. Some of the details in the rest of what you say aren't acurate either.
RedrawS 1 year ago
@TurkishMujahid unclean in this sence is ritually unclean not literally unclean there is a very big difference. what on earth does this have to do with judeochristian values?! isolation in ritual context simply means that she can't go to temple or come in contact with those people who perform at the temple or come into contact with items that these people will touch while performing their duties. isolation by no means being cast out or forbiden to communicate with members of society.
RedLetterChristian 1 year ago
SubhanAllah, Jay Smith and Beth were blown away....they just could not even provide any factual evidence and were exposed big time...The truth stands out clear...Based on Jays arguement the society we live in today in the west is better than ever before and thats due to Christianity....this society is crumbling and it dont take a genius to see that...It needs Islam to revive and revive us all
h45an 1 year ago 2
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messageOFmessengers 1 year ago
She have no knowledge about islam!!! Go study qur'an and hadith!!!! kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!! cover your hear and your body women!!! even your bible says that!!!
xukun0 1 year ago
Hamza was speaking if Islamic Law is applied, then it would solve humanity problems and he referred to golden ages in islamic history. Jay smith is referring to the bad condiitons of muslim countries today. The problem with Jay's argument is that these muslim countries are not currently applying Sharia law.
alcapon2 1 year ago 37
@alcapon2
Solve humanities problems?? Really? Do you know ANYTHING about Islamic Law? Look at states like Saudia, or the Afghanistan during Taliban rule. People living under Islamic law live lives of oppression and injustice. Especially the women.
Cutting off people's limbs, whippings, beatings, women treated like half of a human being...yeah, that sounds like solutions alright....
Zackerybob 6 months ago
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nasreen51 5 months ago
hello jay smith...People of the Book does not include Zoroastrians....
salaf83 1 year ago
It's apparent that Jay Smith and the other woman have not studied Islam as they should have, for the arguments they made can be refuted by Muslims beginning their preliminary studies of Islam. However, I was disappointed at how fataawa of Imam Malik, Shafi'i, etc were waved aside as not representing Islam. They have contributed a lot to our religion, as have many scholars of the early generations who have shed light on Qur'anic verses and hadith, may Allah have mercy on them.
stoni501 1 year ago
Wow, Andreas Tzortzis is fully Greek.
snoiprocs16 1 year ago
jay smith owned
pirub 1 year ago
Relevant??? What do you mean? Both are idiocies!
coppens 1 year ago
this debate is a joke,was a waste of time for hamza n adnan .is clearly beth and jay have no knowledge of islam,they have been caught numbers of time trying to change the hadith and the quran to support their points.beth said she did her thesis in malik school of thought i wonder how could her supervisor allow her while she doesn't know the tafsir of quran and the hadith
souljahood 1 year ago 45
@souljahood You're right the dabate is a joke - neither of these religions (nor any religion) is relevant to the UK in the 21st Century. Only through human rational critical thought can society progress.
gartner101 11 months ago
is this vid diffirent from
the one that says trinity and shirk?
5graffitiartist5 1 year ago
@5graffitiartist5 yes
rahatkhan 1 year ago
Great debate brothers. lets carry on exposing jokers like jay smith.
cinista2002 1 year ago
Hi guys if you want to see real debate, ex muslims whose scales have fallen from their eyes like paul, debating with Muslim who scales have not yet fallen, but about to. google faithfreedomorg or Ali Sina. Watch Ali Sina wiping the floor with Tzortzis and Nadir Ahmed. Thousands of intelligent muslims are visiting this site and after listening to what Islam is doing to muslims are leaving the faith
mjr2168 1 year ago
I have read hamza debate with Ali Sina. Ali Sina made him look like an idiot. He was desperately trying to validate, the muslims only claim that the Quran itself is a literary miracle. Ali Sina wiped the floor with him. Ali Sina is an ex muslim who is now proving to the world how assinine Islam is. google faith freedom
mjr2168 1 year ago
GOOD VIDEO!
mawnyz1 1 year ago
jay is a loser..a polytheist..he worships creation instead of the Creator..jay is headed for the FIRE..dumb ass christians worshipping a man God,total blasphemy..surely they will pay the price 1day,and on the day of judgement they will of the losers...deaf dumb n blind they return not to the true path
hich101 1 year ago
This is for any Muslims wanting to know the truth about Banu Qurayza or the so called slaughter of the Jews in Madina. It is unanimously agreed upon by the scholars of the time of Ibn Ishaq and afterwards, that Ibn Ishaq was a complete liar or an imposter.
Even Ibn Hashim, omitted some of the stories Ibn Ishaq had written because they were so outrageous. Imam Malik, who was a contemporary of Ibn Ishaq called him a liar. Please do research on this matter and you will see clearly.
Salam Alaikom
therock92555 1 year ago
Islam means a full submission to almighty God who doesn't have partner. Islam is a way of life to love the humanity and spread the peace and liberate the people who used to be tortured and killed under Crusaders who lived in the dark age. Muslim were really strong in their belief and they dedicated their lives to help to humanity. Read the history and see how non believers practiced their religions freely in Muslim countries. Read the history of Muslims you will know the truth.
anatyeb 1 year ago
@anatyeb If Islam loves humanity exsplain what do you do with these verses in the Quran. We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12 Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28,Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65, Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them, 9:5,Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14.
mjr2168 1 year ago
@mjr2168 hahah ali sina u having a laugh? lol i read the debate, and Hamza destroys him. Ali Sina is a fraud lol
FiiyaMan 1 year ago
@FiiyaMan If he is such a laugh. Why so many promanent muslims want to debate him. Why so many death threats. Why no one can shut him up with a decent response. He has even comfirmed for me that Zakir Naik is an idiot. I always thought Zakir Naik was a fraud and Sina has clearly demonstrated. I tell you man Muslim be careful of that one. He is a man on a mission. I bet a muslim would like to do a Theo on him.
mjr2168 1 year ago
@mjr2168 ali sina is a nobody trust me. Ive read the debates and its clear to me who wins. Ali sinas lack of knowledge is shocking ive seen people have a better go than him.
FiiyaMan 1 year ago
@FiiyaMan Could you tell me what technique of textual criticism or logic did you use to come to that conclusion. Can you direct me to some valid sources that could make me think otherwise. Or has you blind, hero woshipping, feeling taken leave of you senses. You have heard the man say over and over again, that he would close his site if anybody defeated him. I believe he does not have to do that, if somebody does defeat him, that site would implode on itself. I trust reason only.
rodrimic1 1 year ago
@rodrimic1 u can stop blindly following urs for starters. why the fuck wud he close his site down lol. u really believe him ure deluded mate.
FiiyaMan 1 year ago
@FiiyaMan You dimwit the site would close by imploding into itself, because people would recognise the fallacy in the site. Clever muslims with their clever apologetics would disprove his accusations and everyone would see how correct they are and would automatically stop visiting his site. Think outside the box man.
rodrimic1 1 year ago
@rodrimic1 i think u are the dimwit here matey, Ive read the debates, i know who won i dont need you to tell me who did. if he is so good why doesnt he come out and have a debate. And dont give me this nonsense about being scared for his life. There have been many debates carried out in a civilised manner.
FiiyaMan 1 year ago
@FiiyaMan yeah, you said it three times already. Just like a stunned mullet. Keep on repeating it to yourself like a mantra and maybe it may become a reality for you.
rodrimic1 1 year ago
@rodrimic1 and u carry on searching for a hero lol. I shall carry on repeating what I believe is right
FiiyaMan 1 year ago
@FiiyaManThey were so strong in their beliefs that there came a time when it hardly mattered what exactly those beliefs were; they all fused into a single stubbornness.
rodrimic1 1 year ago
@ajizbilal .. jazakAllah brother .. for informing . May Allah reward u
younus1932 1 year ago
does anyone know which is the nasheed that comes in the start of the video .. please please someone who knows do reply .. jazakAllah
younus1932 1 year ago
does anyone know which is the nasheed that comes in the start of the video .. please please someone who knows do reply .. jazakAllah
younus1932 1 year ago
@younus1932 The nasheed is called "Samtan" by Ahmad Bukhatir.
ajizbilal 1 year ago
killing apostasy is not a sharia law but its a opinions as he said for those whom
just accept isalm to blamesh....Quran clearly says no compulsion in religion while
bible says...luke 10:27 jesus those who do not accept me bring them and kill them
infront of me...........hahahahahah
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 The Quran clearly says that you will be roasted in a fire if you don't believe in him. Surat an nisa 56
WAHHAAHAHAHAH
srexob715 1 year ago
@srexob715
Thats right but not roasted like a bread but more than that....hahahhahah
but jesus also said.....luk 19:27 those who do not accept me bring them infornt of
me and kill them.............hahahhahaha
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 WHAHAHAHAH The Quran promising you punishment for 'lack of belief' IS COMPULSION.
But yet your Quran says there is NO compulsion, but THEN it compulses you to believe! AHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA
srexob715 1 year ago
@srexob715
the verse about compulsion in religion is meant for non muslims, but if you are a muslim you have to follow islam.
malakoz 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 100% compulsion. So is your book lying or just wrong? Is it just wrong or wrong with the intent to deceive?
srexob715 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 Bukhari, volume 9, #57Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Are you blind or fooling yourself. Read Read
mjr2168 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 You dumbass, Luke 10:27 is a part of a parable about the return of the king. A parable is a story with spiritual meaning. Dont you muslims believe in the return of Jesus. This is exactly what he is referring to in this parable. You guys love shooting yourself in the foot dont ya. By misquoting scripture does not take Islam off the hook. Do you see christians doing that, you imbecile.
mjr2168 1 year ago
Alhamdullilah
Diyo85 1 year ago
What's this brainless girl's name? Does she know what her corrupt bible say about her menstruation and her uncleanliness? This woman would be crucified by the standards of her bible
Daz20s 1 year ago
@Daz20s lol thats what i am trying to say...sarcasm really doesnt work well when typing lol :)
MsSamosa123 1 year ago
@Daz20sYou could be right mate, but at the same time the topic on mensturation could be a corrupt portion of the Bible. Poor stupid muslim women. Because of them suffering from stockholm syndrome they fail to realise their de humanisation. Check this out "I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541
mjr2168 1 year ago
LOL...its funny how non muslims say that muslim women ar oppressed...r u for real? Aint this the land of democracy and "free will" its nothing but a delusion. And when debating on this, they never seem to ask a MUSLIM women but rather someone who is biased and also say that she has muslom friends. Tut tut trust me if muslim women were oppressed, especially in this country, then this wouldn't be raised because the mass people wearing the veil/hijab wouldn't exist. Get your facts striaght
MsSamosa123 1 year ago
@MsSamosa123
She doesn't have Muslim friends.She is a missionary who studied for a degree at university based on lies and distortions and now she spends her time lying and trying to brainwash desperate refugees, especially those from Muslim countries.She pretends to be helping them but she only wants them to leave their religion and become like her,believing god is a man and that he died on a cross and rose again. if jesus is god and he died who was in charge of the world when he died?
Daz20s 1 year ago
Sadly, Muslims have proven over and over again that when they are in the minority, they want open minded thinking; when they are in the majority, ...too bad, you're doing it our way. This has already been proven.
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
alhamdulillah brothers.
1anj1 1 year ago
Bayah means to give allegiance to your country, to the governmental and to your people. If I was a citizen of a country and then I caused distress by terrorising my neighbours, by raping the land, the people ,and threatening the stability of the country what would the government do? Would they send me roses and a letter commending me on my freedom?
Stop dreaming you filthy animal.
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
Of course you don't understand Islam, you don't understand your self, your purpose in this life or even your future aspirations... you might as well die or live in a vacuum for the rest of your life. With the prevailing attitude you have formed no one will respect you, not even a dog.
You have oppressed your self, you have become less than a human, Islam will humanise you again, and in-still the correct moral values
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
happy happy... sure you are
its all a delusion, you have deluded yourself
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
Hamza talks about Oppression giving the bible and food to the refugees! well firstly if i were a refugee i'd throw out the bible and eat to survive. No charity foundation is forcing the weak to either convert or DIE as islam professes to do. Whats OPPRESSIVE is when women are forced to wear the niqab, not by will but by state enforcement. Women are vilified if they don't sleep with their husbands wants the wife in bed. When the men are given rights to HIT their wives! THAT IS OPPRESSION!
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago
No they TAKE the Bible in ORDER for food to be put in their mouths. That is being OPPRESSIVE. Islam does not not kill the poor you liar. Don't lie and then make exaggerated inflated superficial claims that have no basis in Islam. What's oppressive is when Paul says women will be shaves clean if they don't wear the hijab in the temple, so don't be a hypocrite you filthy deviant. The ate does not enforce such a law, it is the LAW of God, and we submit to his will entirely.
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
Islam has a special para-dime, an encompassing faith, with a sophisticated judicial system far superior to the government systems of today. If you want to interpret the implementation of law to its citizens as being oppressive then you have certainly deluded your self.
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
words of guys, it looks that shariya law (as i also investigated into the fact) has a brilliantly impressive history centuries ago and they r very flexible.
Thanks everyone!
well nice debate by religious people!!
wellgate07 1 year ago
faithful and trustworthy of what they were saying. Also as a matter of fact the current system of government increases poverty and hav huge amount of forced laws and taxes and crime as well. But if the muslim guys r correct then shariya law looks interesting as far as they do not force me to accept that there is something superficial called God for which, from the words of
[contd...]
wellgate07 1 year ago
& clear to me when i see the debate & they looked to b very strictly narrow minded). So the problem was with the christian guys and for their behaviour, which i already said was based on misinterpretations, wrong quotations and misunderstandings, they get
negative points. And as i found out that, as the muslim guys said, there is no muslim country under islamic sharia law is very true. So the
muslim party in the debate was very much felt to be faithful and
[contd...]
wellgate07 1 year ago
(i.e. these were original text languages) than who they come explain them better than the two muslim guys when the later also know Arabic & Hebrew?? As an atheist i found Jay and the lady to be totally adherent against the Shariya law and debating with ignorance of the past (as they most of the time found to talk in air without references and were successfully counter attacked by the muslim guys at those times when the former seem to create falsehood - which is very true & clear
[contd...]
wellgate07 1 year ago
Jay and the lady do not look to be quoting the references very much and when ever they quoted it was most of the time argued by the opposition holding the fact that the said verses were not from the Shariya law base authentic sources rather from other sources that led to misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the Shariya law by the Jay & lady- which was bad from their(Jay & lady) side, and it is very true that Jay & lady can not really understand the Arabic or Hebrew(i.e. these
[contd...]
wellgate07 1 year ago
not quite: christianity doesnt separate the state from the church; church has been a part of the state until the latter become secular.
clustergarde 1 year ago
what do these people even know about Christianity/Judaism they dont even speak hebrew or aramaic. they dont even understand "son of god" means servent of god, its not literal.
tryingtobegood1 1 year ago
Jay is a twat and a snake u got exposed haha. u were just cutting and pasting u are such a muppet, well done Adnan bro and Hamza. PS DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE NAME OF THE NASHEED AT THE END PLEASE.
2bigy 1 year ago
Islime is so stuck in dark ages that it is pathetic how this can be called anything but appropriate for humankind. LOL......
Oh, btw, mooooooslims know that this century is their last century. So this is why they try....and try....and try to prove islime works, whereas it does not.
barbarza 1 year ago
The difference between Muslims and Christians is that they invent a lot of things to present Christianity where as Muslims just have to quote the Qur'an.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago 2
@voiceofreasoning But Muslims don't quote the Quran for some say the Quran mentions 'speed of light', but it does not!!!
Muslims will TWIST the Quran to fit science! You MUST!
srexob715 2 years ago
srexob715
You don't understand the Muslim mind. The reason we Muslims believe in God is because it is the truth. There is no point in telling you a lie or believe in some lies to defend Islam, it is not going to take any Muslim anywhere. You need to understand that Muslims do not believe in craps. That's the reason the Muslims have devised a scientific method to verify the authenticity of the Hadith. We do not just accept all the Hadith people quote because it has to fit in with the method.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago 3
I don't care if it does or not as i'm a muslim i believe already that Quran was a miracle,a book with no doubt and we worship one god and we only have 1 Quran version and 2 Text versions [Different Fonts written same time]
and tons of translations..
ShockerDirectX 1 year ago
bible***
hydromalik 2 years ago
Asalamu alaikum to the muslims , i just hate when christians lie about quran and hadith thats the worse sin you can do plus i almost loose control i feel like beating that jay smith guy he is a utter joke ive seen the debate with brother shabir , shabir won the debate but it shows you that christian is not the word of god it is just a man made illusion.
hydromalik 2 years ago 3
do you non muslims see what is going on here? are you brain dead? wake up!!
what the muslims are saying in this video is simple they are saying give us power to rule you ; we know best ,so trust us to give you a beneficent form of dictatorship!!
we'll protect you. trust us
muslims dont get it !! we dont want to be under their laws or control.
screw them the UK needs to deport them
hmm something tells me that them muslim hosts cant be trusted
why should anyone submit to them muslims?
xspettacolare 2 years ago
YOU PEOPLE BETTER GET RIGHT WITH GOD READ YOUR Twenty-third Scroll, Ninth Verse GET RIGHT WITH GOD;GOD LOVES YOU.
Beware the beast man, for he is the devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his jungle lair: For he is the harbinger of death."
xspettacolare 2 years ago
EXPOSED !
Tchado1000 2 years ago 2
Who am I?
Is there a God?
What are the natures of God, Soul and the cosmos?
What is my relationship with God and the worldly things?
What is the reason for happenings in life over which one has no control?
Such questions often arise in any philosophical system. Saiva Siddhanta gives plausible answers and explanations to them.
princegoutham 2 years ago
i loved the argument whereby hamza says that if islamic law was implemented you will not need 'so called missionairies' who provide charity in one hand and the bible on the other' that made laugh lol its so true
jihadulnafs 2 years ago 7
I think Stephen Hawking was watching Jay Smith and Beth Grove when he quoted
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge
genieric 2 years ago 4
This is the best excellent and intelligent
debate between christians and musims
i love both of them i mean both party....
now i just try quote from bible about the
women clean and unclean.....Bible says
if a women give birth to a boy she be unclean for 40 days but if the same women give birth to a girl..she be unclean
for 80 days..unjustice..what bible talk about rape.LEVITICUS 11:10-12 , LEVITICUS 25:44-45 , JUDGES 21:10-24 EATING shell fish is in abomination But slavery and rape is oke
strangerlover11 2 years ago
Leviticus 20:13 God demands the death of Homosexuals
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers
So Bible clearly giving so strong punishment while Quran does not
strangerlover11 2 years ago
I think christians are not following what
jesus said so.......if you not better than
jews there is no heaven for you so i am
asking dear christians is they bettter than
jews today....
and second christians also must keep
the old command if not than you are not
true christians that what jesus said so
strangerlover11 2 years ago
LMAOOOOOOOOO....Why would a religion that doesnt even allow free mixing of men and women outside marriage.. or sex b4 marriage.. why wud such a religion.. or N E RELIGION advocate rape LMAOOO... that one statement from the christian sister shows us how badly they are struggling in their arguements lol
TheKhalipha 2 years ago 42
@TheKhalipha
mixing men and womens without marriage and have a sex before marriage...yes
you right animals do that animals have fully freedom sex before marry like you
hahahhahahah
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 YEP, we are not compulsed to follow a FAKE god's book, that was written by man, then was tried to be passed off as a book from a God! WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
srexob715 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 ooohh wooww that was ur idea of a joke? hahahahahahahahahahaah looooll... << im laffin.. u have issues son.. ur a freshy that cant understand english properly by the looks of it.. coz u seem to be a muslim aswell from ur profile.. and yet disagreeing with my statement.. u show ur stupidity .. u have issues son, major issues.
TheKhalipha 1 year ago
@TheKhalipha
Yes i am Muslims but your statements give right for unlawful sex with only brings
disease disturbing in family and more trouble to those girls whom pregnants with
that kind of free sex and her sex partner refuse them while they realized that she
is pregnant now........so free sex or before marry sex...creature only problems.
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 LOOOOLL...you misinterpreted my comment or simply cannot read properly... read my comment again.. slowly... theres a reason why it has soo many thumbs up.. because i DID NOT give right for sex outside marriage... read it PROPERLY.. ur making urself look like a fool... im totally against sex outside marriage... u should relii keep away from arguing if u cant somprehend English properly.. no disrespect but u evidently cannot grasp the comment correctly.
TheKhalipha 1 year ago
@TheKhalipha
Oh.
really you are totally against sex........are you gay.........hahahahhahha
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 hahahhahaah no but ur dad must of been, because the onli way he cudda given birth to a stupid son of a bitch like you was by fucking another man... admit it, ur the product of incest from ur father and ur ur uncle or suttin yeah?
"hahaahhahahhahha" < lmaoo ... ya poxy fool.. get a life.
TheKhalipha 1 year ago
@TheKhalipha
You are so mad helloooooooo i did not fuck the vagina of your mom go ask them
who fuck your street whore mother you son of bitch i did not abused your mom but surely you must be son of bitch and a son of elligetamate..he before sleep must check your mother room.....its means .you are a gay.......hahahhaha
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 wat was dat? wat was dat? ur mum was impregnated by a dog?? ooOOoOhhh ..taht explains ur stupidity... i mean "elligetamate" is spellt "illegitimate"... spose i cant blame you, i mean ur mum was done by a dog to give birth to thee. "hahahahahah" loool...dumb motherfucker.
TheKhalipha 1 year ago
@TheKhalipha
I was't know that you have that kind of experience also please when a do fucking
your mom vagina so do not enter the room does your mom vagina knot to the dog
dick how long your mom pussy remain knot with dog ..hahhhahahhaahh
heyyyy how about donkey lets bring your mom to donkey to tear her pussy
she be very happy but at the last i will be the one fucking your mom vagina...
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 you is freshy bastorr and you kent ispeak enlish properly... are u sexually frustrated? why you tok bout ur ammah like thet? heh betteh? ut ammeh "vagina" very loose.. uknwo why? becuse u keep isitik ur head in it =D u sone of a bitch =) "HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!" lool U FAGGOT SHIT.
TheKhalipha 1 year ago
@TheKhalipha
Did i used bad word for you no you started you son of whore if you respect your mom
than don't abuse others mother now you don't understand my english you son of
the street hooker.............hahahhahahahah
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 you wat? ur just proving that you are a product of incest.. ur intellectual ability matches that of a microcephalic inbred offspring... seriously, ur just proving urself to be a born retard. Its either in ur genetic make up to be a prick or your mother pbviously got boned by a donkey to conceive you.
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!" LOOOL
TheKhalipha 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 WHAHAHA! Since your language is atrocious, there is no way you can be a TRUE religious believer. WHAHAHAHAHAH!
Your God would never allow such talk and will punish you severely for it. Get ready brother. How are you going to explain your BAD actions to a God? How are you going to convince a God that you were a good little boy, when all you do is INSULT people????????????????
HUH DUMB ASS? HUH? WHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
srexob715 1 year ago
@srexob715
wow wow wow and your god have given you free world whats come in your mind
use it against other now honestly think to yourself whe started frist abusing mother me or you if its started by you than shame on you....i never abuse any one mother unless they don't abuse my mother because have no mistake to be abuse.
strangerlover11 1 year ago
@strangerlover11 Brother, you are an idiot! Plain and simple! LOL WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
srexob715 1 year ago
lol Jay got caught lying. Maybe debtors should have the ability to playback what the other person said as the Muslim guy just did to Jay Smith and caught exposed him lying.
Jay lied and then he tries to talk over them and change the subject and generalize lol.
Why do Christians always have to be low and try to smear Islam. I have only seen two Christians debate with integrity and thats John Gilchrist and another guy.
I am sure glad I learned the truth and converted to Islam Ahumduallah.
jdnmlm 2 years ago 37
reverted bro we are born muslims... may allah guide us all ...
afglionheart 2 years ago 5
@jdnmlm Alhamdulillah Bro!
TheKhalipha 2 years ago 2
@jdnmlm Alhamdullilah
Diyo85 1 year ago
@jdnmlm you can hardly talk. every religion does that to each other. how dare you say that about my religion? im offended
jongrobler 1 year ago
1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created(all that exists),
2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen
5. Has taught man that which he knew not.
Clearly indicating a must, encouragement && neccessity to read, learn && write which are the basic principles of achieving academic success. Plus the success of Islam is clearly evident in History known as the Golden Era.
TheMuslimahSouljette 2 years ago 2
And Jay mentioned knowledge, education, literacy, the ability to read && write being incredibly low in the now so called "Muslim countries" or more rather the "highly Muslim populated countries" without the correct implementation of "Shari'a," yet he fails to understand that the very first revelation of the Qur;an was:
...
TheMuslimahSouljette 2 years ago
Assalamu 'alaikum, the ending documents are sooo beautiful in distrubuting && entitling everyone to equity && protection subhan Allah.
Secondly, I guess the chair of this debate was slightly bias && permitted Jay to speak up && defend more in comparison to the others including Beth. Thirdly, Hamza made a great contribution masha'Allah, && how impolite of the chair to assume he was "half-greek."
Lastly, selectively picking && choosing Qur'anic material is a technique well used by critics.
TheMuslimahSouljette 2 years ago
a completely different debate....
very informative,
Jazakumullahu khairan
AzizCherupparamb 2 years ago
The muslims cooked them alive as usual.
IslamAyaat 2 years ago
Assalamu alaikum,
I'm glad you posted this and also followed with ayat-ul-Qur'an. May Allah grant to the Muslims all of what is good in this life and the ultimate success in the Akhirah.
The people of the book are convinced that their "wealth", "high literacy", and "freedom" is success, so let them have it. They do not realize that those are trials from Allah, and they surely will be questioned as to how they made use of the wealth, education, and freedom. We will see then what is success.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
In just 40 minutes Isalmic students able to clarify their point of view well.Look at those learned christian brother and sister even with loud voice and multiple misquoats they were unable to point anything good rather repeat same old story that believe in a man god created by Paul and church will bring inner peace. The social evil prsent in the last 200 yrs such as alcohol ,poverty.pornography,divorce,intrest ,war and armsdealing etc are byproduct of this false belief.
doczak69 2 years ago 2
It's taken 2000 years for the churches to go empty?!! Binge drinking? Highest rates ever of mental problems and depression? Is this where Chistianity has bought us? Surely, if we really believed Jesus to be the Lord, then we would adpot Christianity both at a state level as well as a personal level? How can this supposed God, Jesus not come into play in stately issues?!! I converted to Islam, after seeing the moral decline amongst so called Christians. By the way,Jesus prayed as Muslims do today
Britishfever456 2 years ago 3
@Britishfever456: Welcome to Islam akhee/ukthee. May Allah subhana wa ta'ala keep you && us rightly guided. Ameen.
Assalamu 'alaikum waRahmatullahi waBarakatuh.
TheMuslimahSouljette 2 years ago
Wa-alaykum As-salaam Wa-rahmatullahi Wa-barakath
Britishfever456 2 years ago 3
Today the western countries have prospered well comparativly to the so called Muslim countries.
The problem with this comparision is most of the so called Muslim countries are still suffering the effects of imperialistic past.The right comparision should be this.
In the middle ages,when Chruch held sway,the Islamic world was the most pewrful,wealthy,healthy,culturally sophicated etc.
How Mr.James will argue now?
salim1009 2 years ago
salam, topic is about which is appropriate to europe at this point in time, islam or christianity, the three guys stated their ideas at the very start while the only lady listen and the moment she talks, she nails the coffin, as always it is the fans who calls better officiating than the referee and the players themselves, the lady won...
MrRobertmarizabel 2 years ago
now she asking Quran says if a women have periiod like mestrual time she is not allowed to pray because she is unclean
you right in that time she is unclean and because blood is continue so she can not clean herself to pray
lets say what bible says
if a women give birth to babi boy she will be unlcean for 40 days but if she give
birth for a babi girl she be unclean for 80
days........hahahah
so its means the mother of jesus Mery
was unclean for 40 days because she give birth to Babi boy.
strangerlover11 2 years ago 4
Holy shh....
Jay Smith let himself go. Compare how he looked in the debate with shabir ally, to..now.
brianfighter75 2 years ago
who won that debate?
rahatkhan 2 years ago
Im talking about physical appearance.
brianfighter75 2 years ago
who won the debate ?
mojemo2010 2 years ago
jay smith has been exposed
AK43ver 2 years ago 4
if this lady (beth) wants to quote the qur;an and haditz, she needs to go to shcolar of haditz and also using tafseer. quranic verses and haditz can not just simply picked and choose as she does. One more point, maybe you guys forgot that women in islamic populated countries even has reached the highest political position such as president , prime minister, (pakistan, indonesia, india, bangladesh)
gokilex 2 years ago
maliki, hanafi, hambali and safii is not a shariah law, it's schools of thought withing islamic teaching. If you guys want to asses shariah law, it;s to be based on qur'an and shahih haditz.
gokilex 2 years ago 4