It's absurd to construe the muslim claims about Jesus *specifically designed to undermine the core claims of Christianity* as an outstretched hand of friendship. The Jesus in the Qur'an is completely uninteresting to Christians. He has no relevance to anything, not even to muslims, because Mohammed obviously never knew of NT morality. Islamic morality is based on OT barbarism that is so removed from Christian morality that it has no appeal at all.
@Gnomefro By saying OT is Barbarism you are blasphemesing against your own God! The God of the NT n OT is One God, Hypocrite! Christianity was not the Religion of Jesus(prayed/Worshiped to the one n only God n kept the Commandments of God) nor was it the religion of the Prophets(Who Worshiped God n followed/Kept the Commandments of God)! Christians are pagan Pauline Man god worshiper! Read Matthew 7:21-23 Worship God n follow the laws n Commandments of God like Jesus n his Early Followers did!!
Christians just dont get it. Even the prophet Jesus(pbuh) condemned this sickness. Jesus(pbuh) never said "I am God" or "worship me". And yet they keep on doing exactly what they were told NOT TO DO! Its my obligation to let you know the following: Our Holy Quran says: Allah will forgive a sinner for his sins, if it is Allah's Will. What Allah does not forgive is for one to ascribe partners unto Him. How clearer do you want the message christians? I challenge any of you to a debate.
can someone please find the verse in bible for me that Paul wrote about "abba, father" which Mr. Miller explained in part 10 clip. i would like to know where is the verse says like "born again" has new mother. thanks
ALLAH have already mentioned in Quran there are people like this( kafir)..who dont want to acknowledge the truth eventhough there are plenty of evidence for them to think...hell is the place for them in hereafter..
Man christianity is the stupidest religion thats why it gets alot of kicks from atheists,and they're getting rich while doing it.We don't need a brainiac like Richard Dawkins to tell us its dumb.
I like this white man, he kind of proves the point that Christianity doesn't make sense.
Ofcourse Christianity doesnt make sense because the Bible has been tampered with, thus its the word of man and not the word of God, because man is imperfect.
We Muslim accept all messengers and prophets,we reach out to you Christians for the purpose of sharing the truth,some may accept it and join the true monotheism which is the only way to salvation, others may not and those will be among the losers in the hereafter.
There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Mohammad is his last prophet and messenger and Jesus is His prophet,his messenger,His word to the virgin Mariam and a spirit from Allah,may peace and prayers be on them
A muslim is a true believer either he is Christian or Jew or Mohammedin who doesn't puts gods beside the Almighty God, The One and who faith is based on what the true message relies on the Quran cause it's the ultimate truth and final revelation
Now, if Jesus was so rredundant in make the point that he came to die, how he would die, and why and yet Islam tells Jesus that NO in fact you DID NOT die on the cross... do you think that that is an example of honoring Jesus or dishonoring him?
#1. I've already provided you all the verses that disagree with your assertion. Jesus stated that his blood would be spilled for the forgiveness of sins for many. That is a fact.
#2. What's more is that God's law requires sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. You don't have to like that but it is a historical fact.
#3. God's prophet's state that the Messiah would die and even describe the scene of the crucifixion in Psalm 22(Which Jesus quotes from the cross)
and his prophets declare WHY the Messiah must die in detail (Isaiah 53:4-6, 10) and they make it clear that the Messiah was made a guilt offering for our sins.
So, to state that "It make god almighty selly" is to not know God's law or what his prophets have said and it is to make the Messiah out to be a liar.
i thought that was very very very strange - i was looking for that passage of yours on bible search and sure enough it was it was "Mighty God" - and then i thought okay ill see what theyve translated it into in the jewish bible and you'll find the strangest thing - instead of translating those words i.e. prince of peace etc - they just transliterated the hebrew sounds into english!! now i know why they did that - im sure you have some clue.
BUT i did find something about this "El-Gibor" (cont)
(cont) business if you'd care to read it. but El Gibor means Gabriel which means Strong God - and according to them Gabril is an angel's name in the Bible but it's a Muslim site so i dont know if youll take their word for it - ill try to find more info about it inshaAllah
I'm sure I'd be happy to read it but there are a couple problems with the that notion immediately.
#1. CONTEXT states that a child would be born who would be called El-Gibor. Thus, context does not allow for it being an angel. It is clear that Isaiah is speaking of this child as Mighty God.
#2. Isaiah doesn't stop there. He also calls this child Avi-Ad which is Everlasting Father - ALSO a name ONLY for God.
#3. And what is ULTIMATELY the point is that NO human is EVER referred to(Cont.)
in these terms. I can fully understand why thew Jews wish to avoid Isaiah's translation.
In my experience of wanting to discuss the Messiah with Jewish people (Which is admittedly limited), the simply have no knowledge about any of the messianic prophecies.
Keep in mind, the Jews were prophesied WELL in advance to reject the Messiah when he came. Thus, it is no surprise that they reject the idea of a divine Messiah. They have NO idea who the messiah is supposed to be and that was (cont.)
Thus, in conclusion, I hope you see that Christianity is quite consistent with what the Law, the Prophets, and the Messiah all say.
It is for this reason that I assert that Islam is in contradiction with those things when it denies the need for sacrifice for the atonement of sin. I do not say that to be offensive or even contentious but out of eternal concern for the Muslim's soul who I know has a heart for God.
I'm sorry I wasn't terribly clear on that El Gibor statement I didn't mean it was talking about an angel - just that it wasn't actually literally talking about God - it is not infrequent that "God" appears in many Hebrew names. It also seems my comment about Psalms 22 and Isaiah 53 was lost. Isaiah 53 speaks about israel - if you read it carefully it is not a messianic prophecy. I have alink here if you like. Psalms 22 - in context also doesnt seem to be a messianic prophecy (cont)
And I repeat my friend. NO Human is EVER referred to by these titles.
"6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,... he will be called,,,Mighty God, Everlasting Father,"
HE, the child, WILL BE CALLED Might God and Everlasting Father.
It is CLEAR that Isaiah is referring to the child as Mighty God and Everlasting Father. It takes all sorts of literary stunts to try and make that NOT obvious.
As for Isaiah 53. Again, it is ATTEMPTED to make that vague and to mean something (cont.)
The ENTIRE passage of Isaiah 53 is in first person SINGULAR (HE). Israel is not referred to as a masculine "He."
Once again, to make it something other than the OBVIOUS the Muslim (and even the Jew) most make it something unclear and vague to avoid the simple and obvious.
I'm sorry my friend, I will stick with what is plain, simple, and clear.
Isaiah 9:6 is about a CHILD that will be called God. Simple, plain, clear.
The fact is Muslims dont think the Bible is an authority that faithfully and inerrantly quotes Jesus PBUH. It's not like we say, "oh yeah he said that but he was wrong."
I have no reason to believe that he actually said what the Bible says he says.
I know that Muslim scholars sometimes use the Bible to prove a point - but the fact that we agree with some of the Bible does not necessitate we believe in all of it PLUS the Christian doctrine the Churches are foisting on us.
I am well aware of your view. I am well aware that since the Qur'an completely contradicts the Law of God, the Prophets, and The Messiah himself that the Qur'an and Muslims therefor MUST argue corruption.
If the words in the book stand, then Islam is a farce. So, OF COURSE< you will argue this point. That is certainly nothing new.
However, There's not one single solitary shred of evidence, historical or other wise that you can offer to refute the fact that the law of God which was (cont.)
introduced to the Jews through Moshe has ever NOT required sacrifice for teh atonement of sin.
This is a historical fact recorded by believer and non. You cannot demonstrate a single copy that shows Leviticus 17:11 has ever existed in any different form for example.
"For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life."
Additionally, the book of Isaiah who is one of (cont.)
the greatest of the prophets, has stood demonstrably unchanged for thousands of years.
Isaiah 53, speaking of the Messiah, states:
"But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;" 5
"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering," 10
"he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (Cont)
has existed just as Isaiah unchanged for thousands of years.
Without ever mentioning the New Testament, Paul, the Church, or even the words of Jesus, I have demonstrated to you that the law requires sacrifice for sin and two different prophets say the same and I challenge you to demonstrate that ANY of it has ever been demonstrably shown corrupted.
You've been TAUGHT that the church is foisting beliefs on you and that is simply false.
I want proof the book of Leviticus (the law) has (Cont.)
has been changed. I want proof that the Psalms have been changed. I want proof that Isaiah has been changed.
Bring your proof and we will discuss it. Else, the law and the prophets stand as God's word said they would stand unaltered and we won't have to accept the silly notion that God is incapable of protecting his word to mankind.
What's really strange is that Christians point the finger at Muslims for changing the law about God needing sacrifice, but somehow ignore the fact that theyve changed just about everything else about the Law of the Prophets.
Christians, as I understand it, have completely disqualified most of the teachings of the Old Testament declaring it has been "nailed to the cross". (Please clarify if you do not believe this) (cont)
Here's the problem with that notion. If the law requires sacrifice for sin (as clearly it does) and the law was fulfilled in Jesus as he stated specifically that he came to do, then the Christian are consistent in their teaching that we are no longer under the law BECAUSE OF that fulfillment in Jesus.
Thus, the Muslim must explain why he does not follow the sacrificial law (and any other prescribed by the law.)
For the Christian, the curse of the law has been removed (Cont.)
though that does not give us license to sin (Romans 6). Now we serve and follow his commands not from obligation of the but from love for the one who redeemed us from it's curse through his fulfillment of it. I offered my sacrifice as the law required and through that sacrifice I have been perfected in God's eyes because of the sacrifices perfection. (all of this is rather painstakingly detailed in scripture)
THAT is all quite consistent. However, as I stated, the Muslim, must explain(Cont.)
why he has selectively removed the portions of the law that lead to salvation.
As the law, the prophets, and even the messiah himself were all very consistent in their belief that sacrifice for the remission of sin was necessary.
PS. Christ did not do away with divorce. He explained that Moses gave them a certificate of divorce (allowed by the law) only because of the hardness of their hearts but that from the beginning it was never intended.
In other words, he taught that while legal it was something God never desired for them.
So basically, you're not bound by the law because he forgave your sins in advance?
I dont know why it's so hard for Christians to see that the the Prophet Muhammad PBUH was given the authority to be a law maker just as the Prophet Moses PBUH was
No. I'm not bound by the law because I have fulfilled the law through Jesus. I have been perfected by Jesus' atonement for my sins. It is as though I have never sinned nor ever will sin because he has perfectly atoned (Made payment) for those sins. Thus, in God's eyes I am seen as perfect. The righteousness of Jesus is now my own.
Scripture states exactly that, "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy" -Hebrews 10:14
issue command in contradiction to what God has revealed and required prior.
While I am not under God's law, it HAS been fulfilled in Jesus and thus the law has been met.
It is not some arbitrary setting aside of the law. Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets and thus I am in complete alignment with all of it.
God does not contradict himself and would not tell a prophet something contrary to what he has said before.
But.. just about all of Christian belief is contradictory to Jewish belief?
The fact that God became a man and has a son and paid for your sins - none of that is Jewish?
Secondly it's not contradictory. I urge you to read the Qur'an you'll find it very much in accord with what was sent down to all the Prophets. There are a few minor differences but then you must acknowledge that the Prophet Muhammad PBUH was not sent to the Jews (cont)
6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us... And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God (El-Gibor), Eternal Father (Avi-ad), Prince of Peace.
NO Human is ever called El-Gibor or Avi-ad. NONE. Not ONCE in all scripture. Thus, to assert that God would take on the form of a human is ABSOLUTELY a Jewish idea.
Dying for our sins? I already quoted you specific passages from the law and the prophets (Cont.)
that CLEARLY define this notion that the Messiah would die for our sins and even down to HOW he would die (Pierced hands and feet) which Jesus himself quotes from the cross.
Please Read the Messianic chapters of Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22.
So, the notion that the God man Messiah would die for our sins is ABSOLUTELY Jewish in origin.
Jesus even states of his betrayal, his being numbered amongst the transgressors, his dying on that cross was ALL done in order to fulfill the law and the (cont.)
prophets. Thus it is plainly evident that Christianity FAR from contradicts Judaism but instead is an outgrowth and completion OF Judaism.
#2. The idea that the Jews are somehow a materialistic people and THAT is why they need sacrifice for atonement???? Where in the world did you get this?
GOD gave the LAW to Moshe and it was GOD he demanded the sacrifice for the remission of sin.
As I have already quoted numerous different passages to show, there is no forgiveness without sacrifice.
I must apologize I was presumptuous about the Jewish translation of the Hebrew Bible - it seems it is strange that the Christians translated the name "Pele Yoetz El Gibor Avi Ad Sar Shalom" - whereas they do not usually translate strange Hebrew names - such as Maher Shalal Hash Baz - but they have here. Either way it's strange! This name-translating is very confusing to someone not familiar with the scriptures
but rather was sent to all of mankind and for all times - unlike the "Jewish" prophets - and so the law has to be flexible enough to work for all of makind and not simply to fit the needs of the Jewish people. The Jews are known to be a materiallistic people and this was why they needed the sacrifice for atonement. Anyhow we Muslims still do a sacrifice in remembrance of the Prophet Abraham PBUH (in Eid) for all those who have done the pilgrimage, but Allah SWT tells us in the Qur'an: (cont)
"Their flesh and their food reach not Allah, but the devotion from you reacheth Him. Thus have We made them subject unto you that ye may magnify Allah that He hath guided you. And give good tidings (O Muhammad) to the good. " Qur'an 78:37
@Omgtheykilledme Nicea had nothing to do with making up any aspect of my faith or for that matter any aspect of the faith of Christians everywhere. The council of Nicea was called to deal with ONE bishop (Arius) who was teaching that Jesus WAS NOT God. 318+ showed up to hear what he was teaching 22 came in support of Arius until they heard his teachings. They voted that he should be ruled a heretic (all but 2 voted against him) and that his teachings should be burned.
and so that explains why they dont agree with stoning, polygamy, divorce, circumcision, and have no problem in breaking the commandment of not making graven images (hence all the statues of the saints in the churches).
Could you please clarify why this is so?
And in fact if you look at Muslim life (as it is taught) it resembles the lives of all the Prophets far greater than the life of a Christian.
sorry that bit about divorce was incorrect - It's not true that Christians don't believe in divorce because of the law being nailed to the cross as my sentence seemed tp have been implying - I recall now a passage about Jesus PBUH directly abolishing the divorce law
21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
Prove this to me, tell me which chapter is this in and what is the context.
You have to just be so freaking daft.
Why do you have kids? why? survival of the species, isn't it. Then why the heck would God need a son? Is he going to DIE? NOOO.
I'm truly sick of these illogical statements. And don't tell me logic doesn't apply. Unless you saying God gives you things like logic for nothing. Is he stupid?NOOOOO.
Watch the woman in part (4/18) 7:57 she saying shit shit shit during the shek talking so tell me brothers and sisters is those people deserve to advice the to for goodness to go to haven ?I say leave them the hell fire needs fuels .
the first discussion couldnt be even much mor ebebtter what a wonderful knowledge did gary miller shared with us God bless him, he added so many beautiufl teachings "a repentence sinner is better than sinnless person"
Yes brother and those people in this video from south Africa the waste people I ever seen and we have in holy Quran (the hell fire fuel the people and the stone) and if I was brother deedat I will not advise them because the hell fire need fuel and those the fuel.
This is not what Prophet Muhammad PBUH taught. It is not for us to condemn people to Hell as we wish and decide who does or does not deserve it. Only Allah knows.
"So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqun"
And I'm not sure who here was condemning someone to hell. God most certainly does that. Specifically Jesus states that all judgement has been given to him (John 5:22). So, it is Jesus who will stand in judgement of humanity.
However, God gave us a specific means by which we are to atone for our sins. It is plainly stated in his law.
As it says in Leviticus 17:11 (and many others) "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement (cont)
for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life."
And further in Hebrews 9:22 "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."
This is his law. He states it rather plainly. And thus, without sacrifice, it is not MY judgment, but God's that there will be no forgiveness for sin which results in eternal separation from God.
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad SAW has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
Its easy to refute many of the teachings that Christians give today, Deedat makes this clear. However, I do believe that there should be a distinction of what Christians and translations based on what authors interpretations teach, compared to a literal translation bible applied with proper Jewish tradition and logic.
I appreciate both camps, and those in between, it is important that we all try and serve God to the best of our being.
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Can you imagine that you go and commit all the sins in the world then God say ok go free. That is insanity!!! Without a sacrifice!!! deedat is not ineligent at all. Do not forget that God made the law, God has the right to punish His son in our place! tell Him he can not do what He wants! A ings says catchthe thief and whip them 40 lashes, so they catch his mother, HE made that law as king so He uses His authority to be just and He stands in front of Her and takes the lashes. John 3:16-18 iloveu
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Do you think a judge will let you go after murder because You ave decided to do good? because you decided to obey! God woud be more evil then you for murder if He let you Go! IF you want the best answer Look at (the true meaning of the Cross by Paul Washer. Salvation in in Jesus ad that is all. John 14:6
The Quran is the last and true revelation from almighty God and the bible has been played like a an LP on a DJs deck. They messed it up big time. Christians should be aware of the truth and look into it urgently. The bible has been changed and altered.
So sad Mr/Miss Duio. Quran copied all the good things from bible but fail to copy, the incest stories, making you eat shit baked cakes stories from bible etc etc..I guess you read your bible and quran well, thats how you came to this conclusion of Quran copied from Bible.
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"Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not Jehovah or Jesus.
It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic
Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible.
The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism.
1 ansa ahmed deedat shud say is WELL SEE YOU ON DAY OF JUDGMENT ANSA YOUR ILLETERATE QUESTION'S. AHMED DEEDAT WAY TO HUMBLE FOR THEM PATHETIC LOSER'S WHO BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALES. may Allah (swt) grant him jannat ameen
I agreee with you, I mean they are so disrespectful, and when they ask questions, they don't even make sesnse, they don't provide evidence or any relevence.
Oh Allah, I bear witness that Your servant, Ahmed Deedat has done a truly remarkable job of propagating Islam in truth to our fellow brethren, the Christians. May You handsomely reward him with Your Jannah.Ameen. We miss a man like him. May Allah send more such learned and passionate men to spread the meassage of truth to mankind like Mr.Ahmed Deedeat.Ameen.
this segment of this lecture is not about deedat. it is about whether god is just. the questioner said that christians beleive that god is just. deedat said how could christians say that yet they beleive jesus was crucified for other's sins. deedat asked: how could you say that and you beleive god killed the most innocent man for the sins others.
Really? im sorry. I didnt know that. Im just upset that he died. because ahmed deedat was a great man and i wish he is still alive right now. God bless his soul.
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prove what? he didnt accept jesus christ as saviour...so he's in hell. jesus christ is the way, thet truth and the life..NO ONE goes to the Father except through jesus christ...deedat didnt accept him so where could he be now?? IN HELL!!
ok christian brothers and sisters, just accept your trinity ..no question ask...shhh..no question..dont even dare to ask any question if you dont understand..even the pope doesnt understand.
we are prepared to deebate with you.kewl invitation...."jesus dies for our sins".ok. some sins, not all...does that mean jesus get the reward for our good deeds?dont be a coward people, be responsible for your doings..whether its good or bad..thats the law of life and the place where you work.
X1REME: Mr. Deedat has succeeded only in controlling the topic under debate, carefully avoiding topic matter that Moslems find embarrassing. In truth, many Christians are ignorant of Islam although this situation is now changing as access to Islamic writings is freely available. And most people are shocked and apalled at what they find there.
People do need laws to live their lives or else they are ANIMALS. Since they don't know what is good and what is bad for them being creatures, they need a creator to show them their limits with wisdom. And no doubt ALLAH ALMIGHTY gives us the laws that illustrate how much He Cares about us and Loves us.......make sense????????
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Mr. Deedat was a skillful rhetoritician and it's a treat to see him in action. For all that, his debates show a curious lack of courage in addressing questions concerning Islam. Possible topics? How about:" Was Mohammed truly a prophet?" Or: "Who was really an 'excellent model' Mohammed or Jesus?"
He already did those topics and I can say that he won a decisive victory against the Christian Missionaries. You can look the videos on Youtube. We don't differentiate between prophets of God for we consider them honorable men. Jesus and Muhammad were both the messengers of God.
Messengers of God can be determined by their action, the fruits of their words. Mohammed's life and behavior were almost 180 degrees removed from those of Jesus. I would be very happy to see a video of Mr. Deedat discussing this with anyone, but I have not yet found such a video, hence my suspicion that he lacked the courage to do so. Also, please note that my earlier comment has been hidden. Does it frighten someone here?
Mr Deedat says that no innocent man dies for another,but he forgot to mention that his belief is that God replaced Jesus on the cross with someone else.now the question becomes interesting
DID THAT MAN THEN DIE FOR JESUS? Even if that man was a sinner,he deserved to die for his sins and not for the accusation of JESUS!
IF THAT PERSON WAS ONLY THE LIKELINESS OF JESUS AND NOT THE REAL PERSON,THEN GOD WAS PURPOSEFULLY DECEIVING THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY SAW JESUS DIE ON THE CROSS.
nope..that is not his belief...in all of his lectures on the crucifixion he was adamant that the whole event was simply "MADE TO APPEAR SO" as stated in the Qur'an..not that somebody replaced Jesus on the cross...in any case he was merely pointing out the understanding of the Bible that "The INNOCENT is not a ransom for the sinner, but, the SINNER is a ransom for the innocent"...that's from ur Bible..go study more before you make stupid claims
Listen, if you think that God died on a cross then it goes to show that you would believe that God also decieves.
Read other books of the Bibles and you will see other people put on the cross anyways, that is coming from Christian traditions and the Quran confirms it!
even if that question stems from the writing in your own book!
you can't say anything without qouting the bible,there have been a lot of religions in the world,isn't it strange that allah wants to "correct the christians and jews only"
If you are going astray and want to be brought back to the straight path then it dosent matter what religious background your from because we are all born Muslim brother.
God says in the Quran that we are all born Muslim it's just how we are brought up that can reflect our outer religious following.
If you want to declare your faith in Islam as a Muslim then you testify the Kalimah which is "I bear witness that thier is no deity worthy of worship but God, Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
Listen, you can worship whatever you like and i have explained to you how a Muslim submits himself to God.
Question yourself and your own beliefs and stop wasting my time or try to run around in circles. God is the one, God is Absolute, He does not produce children nor was He produced and thier is nothing like Him.
listen,abdullah1425,i didn't have aproblem with what i and you believe in.
the problem came when your side started calling me kaffir and a descendent of "pigs and apes".
while on the other hand you say i am a muslim,while in your book(quran),your god says he will forgive anything except a person who worship other gods besides him!!
Tsop, I think you are confused. Actually, in nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that someone was placed instead of Jesus on the cross. If you have questions on this feel free to ask.
The born again christians must be brain washed non of them have any questions but only giving lectures themselves, they are given an answer but they continue giving their lecture, in my openion they are not very smart ppl, they are stupid, because their intelligance level seems to be very los, veeeery low
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things." (2:256)
this verse speaks about non-moslims not apostates.
Apostates are moslims who refuse islam and I explained why the law of their killing existed.
Fault this logic: (1) Muslims believe that all people are born Muslims (hence Muslims say people "revert" to Islam rather than convert to Islam) (2) It follows every non-muslim is an apostate (3) Shariah law states that apostacy is punishable by death (3) Therefore muslims should kill every non-muslim.
we believe all ppl are born in islam. not the lable you know but as to believe in god the one and only & the preference of good over evil & so forth.then your parents bring u into their religion. again apostate doesn't mean non moslims it's moslims who rject the faith.for non moslims there shall be no compulsion in religion & apostates islam has a process for them. you don't just slit their throats. doesn't wok that way.
With respect, this explanation does not make sense. Either people are born Muslims or they are not. If they are born Muslims and become something else then they are apostates because they have rejected the Muslim faith that they were born with.
I really don't know how u judge or reason. I said his PARENTS would bring the new born into their religion. The baby didn't reject faith. when you are few months old & u are baptized what choice did you have? but you'll be ask on the day of judgement about the decision you made when you had the ability to think and analyze.
What you have just said must mean that people are not born Muslims because they haven't chosen to follow Islam.
I agree with you in relation to child baptism. Only people who are able to choose to follow Jesus should be baptised. Child baptism is wrong and is not in the Bible.
there's a word in arabic "fitrah" I don't think there is a word for it in english but it basically means the nature that god creats all people with. you don't choose your fitrah. it's god's creation. that's why all people are born into islam. because this fitrah within them is the concept of islam not the lable.
(3) when you say he was never a true christian you suppose he was a hypocrate we call this attack. I think because he was a true christian he became moslim. not because I like the guy I don't know him. but becasue his evidence is clear and he has logic. if he reverted then he has a logic and not because he's stupid or never a good christian.I'm looking forward 2 c ur video.
Sorry if my answers were long but I have to be accurate or else I'll have to answer to God on the judgement day :) I think people thing you're an Arab because of your nickname it contains the word Masih that's the arabic term for christ. you are most welcome and thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. if I can be of any help plz don't hesitate to ask.
In Islam, the aim is to become a slave of Allah. In Christianity, it is to become a child of Almighty God. If you would like to know about the teachings of Isa Masih, please send me a message.
Two things are obvious about Gary Miller from watching the whole debate: (1) He was a Muslim (although he may not have had all the doctrine clear in his head at that point) and (2) He was never a true Christian.
why do you attack the man's personality. what's in it for you what his religion is? if you can disprove his evidence and reasons plz post that in a video so that we may benefit from it. it is a habit of the people of the book to kill, disrespect or speak bad about those who revert. I engourage you to read ibn salam's story (you seem to me to be an arab). it will prove my point.
24i6i86: (1) I never attacked Gary Miller's personality. (2) I will post a video one day. I have no time at the moment! (3) Christianity, unlike Islam, does not encourage or allow the murder of apostates. I have prayed that God would open Gary Miller's eyes to the truth (4) I am not an arab (although am often told I look like one) (5) Thanks for the tip. Have read the story now.
Sheikh Ahmad Deedat gave a left hook, right hook, upper cut n a haymaker on each and everyone of the questioner... Brilliant Man!!! =)
InocentBystandr 2 months ago
the Audio is BAD....!!!!!
bigmac19751234 6 months ago
how can u speak about something u have not even seen?
Vasco1701 7 months ago
It's absurd to construe the muslim claims about Jesus *specifically designed to undermine the core claims of Christianity* as an outstretched hand of friendship. The Jesus in the Qur'an is completely uninteresting to Christians. He has no relevance to anything, not even to muslims, because Mohammed obviously never knew of NT morality. Islamic morality is based on OT barbarism that is so removed from Christian morality that it has no appeal at all.
Gnomefro 9 months ago
@Gnomefro By saying OT is Barbarism you are blasphemesing against your own God! The God of the NT n OT is One God, Hypocrite! Christianity was not the Religion of Jesus(prayed/Worshiped to the one n only God n kept the Commandments of God) nor was it the religion of the Prophets(Who Worshiped God n followed/Kept the Commandments of God)! Christians are pagan Pauline Man god worshiper! Read Matthew 7:21-23 Worship God n follow the laws n Commandments of God like Jesus n his Early Followers did!!
moeazysgc 8 months ago
Mashaallah, i never seen such a Man like Ahmad Deedat, I pray for him, Allah give him a place in Jannatul firdous, Ameen.
994289 11 months ago
lol at "as a confirmed atheist" he forgot to mention "also as a confirmed heroine addict".
touahmed 1 year ago 8
Christians just dont get it. Even the prophet Jesus(pbuh) condemned this sickness. Jesus(pbuh) never said "I am God" or "worship me". And yet they keep on doing exactly what they were told NOT TO DO! Its my obligation to let you know the following: Our Holy Quran says: Allah will forgive a sinner for his sins, if it is Allah's Will. What Allah does not forgive is for one to ascribe partners unto Him. How clearer do you want the message christians? I challenge any of you to a debate.
magico0315 1 year ago
can someone please find the verse in bible for me that Paul wrote about "abba, father" which Mr. Miller explained in part 10 clip. i would like to know where is the verse says like "born again" has new mother. thanks
touahmed 1 year ago
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Sheikh Deedat is an amazing man. he's got a comeback for everything. WOW>
allstate321 1 year ago
Sheikh Deedat is an amazing man. he's got a comeback for everything. WOW>
allstate321 1 year ago 5
the cowards of spreading the false truth is standing at the back of the hall...
mastera7x 1 year ago
another christian became muslim (Gary Miller)
SuperWolf707 1 year ago
Gary Miller become Muslem Masha Allah
pulman7 1 year ago
Urgh, disgusting choice of words some Muslims use on youtube because they think insulting and swearing is going to make their argument stronger.
My eyes are fully opened to the Islamic character - disgusting.
watcher4234 1 year ago
gooood, Islam is a great
group This is Islam
MrKhaledalghamdi 1 year ago
the very stupid and arrogant christians....
TheZainaljb 1 year ago
@TheZainaljb .. True wallah. With all the evidence we give them and still they look the other way. Strange how they dont see themselves.
allstate321 1 year ago
ALLAH have already mentioned in Quran there are people like this( kafir)..who dont want to acknowledge the truth eventhough there are plenty of evidence for them to think...hell is the place for them in hereafter..
TheZainaljb 1 year ago
Man christianity is the stupidest religion thats why it gets alot of kicks from atheists,and they're getting rich while doing it.We don't need a brainiac like Richard Dawkins to tell us its dumb.
sabi79797 2 years ago
I like this white man, he kind of proves the point that Christianity doesn't make sense.
Ofcourse Christianity doesnt make sense because the Bible has been tampered with, thus its the word of man and not the word of God, because man is imperfect.
LotN2 2 years ago
We Muslim accept all messengers and prophets,we reach out to you Christians for the purpose of sharing the truth,some may accept it and join the true monotheism which is the only way to salvation, others may not and those will be among the losers in the hereafter.
There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Mohammad is his last prophet and messenger and Jesus is His prophet,his messenger,His word to the virgin Mariam and a spirit from Allah,may peace and prayers be on them
COME TO ISLAM
aitoualiomar 2 years ago
Ahmed Deedat is the Best, May Allah award him with Jenna InshAllah
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
A muslim is a true believer either he is Christian or Jew or Mohammedin who doesn't puts gods beside the Almighty God, The One and who faith is based on what the true message relies on the Quran cause it's the ultimate truth and final revelation
187ghettoangel 2 years ago
i'm proud to be a muslim..
aref9494 2 years ago
shakirshuvo how are you doing brother ?!
pleas try to upload the second debate i realy realy want to see it :)
this gary miller is realy smart and worth listing to
jujujuoooo 2 years ago
So exciting. Wish I was there. :)
firdhaus 2 years ago
This is so sad that the Christians don't believe. You have to have a mind 5 year old to believe like they do.
superartus 2 years ago 3
thank you for the slander and defamation. For Jesus said, "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you." - John 15:18
jorsak 2 years ago
Wrong quote to use, the world doesn't hate you in fact it is the opposite.
superartus 2 years ago
muslims doesnt hate jesus nether u!
we wanna save u from hell, its one of our orders!
ALGfunk 2 years ago
Then let me ask you:
Jesus repeatedly said he would die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34, etc.)
Jesus repeatedly said HOW he would die (Matthew 20:19, 26:2)
Jesus said WHY he would die (Matthew 26:28).
Now, if Jesus was so rredundant in make the point that he came to die, how he would die, and why and yet Islam tells Jesus that NO in fact you DID NOT die on the cross... do you think that that is an example of honoring Jesus or dishonoring him?
I believe it is clearly the later.
Salaam
jorsak 2 years ago
he die like every human!! but not for your sins! its make god almighty selly!
ALGfunk 2 years ago
#1. I've already provided you all the verses that disagree with your assertion. Jesus stated that his blood would be spilled for the forgiveness of sins for many. That is a fact.
#2. What's more is that God's law requires sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. You don't have to like that but it is a historical fact.
#3. God's prophet's state that the Messiah would die and even describe the scene of the crucifixion in Psalm 22(Which Jesus quotes from the cross)
(cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
and his prophets declare WHY the Messiah must die in detail (Isaiah 53:4-6, 10) and they make it clear that the Messiah was made a guilt offering for our sins.
So, to state that "It make god almighty selly" is to not know God's law or what his prophets have said and it is to make the Messiah out to be a liar.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
ALGfunk 2 years ago
i thought that was very very very strange - i was looking for that passage of yours on bible search and sure enough it was it was "Mighty God" - and then i thought okay ill see what theyve translated it into in the jewish bible and you'll find the strangest thing - instead of translating those words i.e. prince of peace etc - they just transliterated the hebrew sounds into english!! now i know why they did that - im sure you have some clue.
BUT i did find something about this "El-Gibor" (cont)
I0love0chickens 2 years ago
(cont) business if you'd care to read it. but El Gibor means Gabriel which means Strong God - and according to them Gabril is an angel's name in the Bible but it's a Muslim site so i dont know if youll take their word for it - ill try to find more info about it inshaAllah
I0love0chickens 2 years ago
I'm sure I'd be happy to read it but there are a couple problems with the that notion immediately.
#1. CONTEXT states that a child would be born who would be called El-Gibor. Thus, context does not allow for it being an angel. It is clear that Isaiah is speaking of this child as Mighty God.
#2. Isaiah doesn't stop there. He also calls this child Avi-Ad which is Everlasting Father - ALSO a name ONLY for God.
#3. And what is ULTIMATELY the point is that NO human is EVER referred to(Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
in these terms. I can fully understand why thew Jews wish to avoid Isaiah's translation.
In my experience of wanting to discuss the Messiah with Jewish people (Which is admittedly limited), the simply have no knowledge about any of the messianic prophecies.
Keep in mind, the Jews were prophesied WELL in advance to reject the Messiah when he came. Thus, it is no surprise that they reject the idea of a divine Messiah. They have NO idea who the messiah is supposed to be and that was (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
foretold literally hundreds of years in advance.
Thus, in conclusion, I hope you see that Christianity is quite consistent with what the Law, the Prophets, and the Messiah all say.
It is for this reason that I assert that Islam is in contradiction with those things when it denies the need for sacrifice for the atonement of sin. I do not say that to be offensive or even contentious but out of eternal concern for the Muslim's soul who I know has a heart for God.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Hello again
I'm sorry I wasn't terribly clear on that El Gibor statement I didn't mean it was talking about an angel - just that it wasn't actually literally talking about God - it is not infrequent that "God" appears in many Hebrew names. It also seems my comment about Psalms 22 and Isaiah 53 was lost. Isaiah 53 speaks about israel - if you read it carefully it is not a messianic prophecy. I have alink here if you like. Psalms 22 - in context also doesnt seem to be a messianic prophecy (cont)
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
And I repeat my friend. NO Human is EVER referred to by these titles.
"6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,... he will be called,,,Mighty God, Everlasting Father,"
HE, the child, WILL BE CALLED Might God and Everlasting Father.
It is CLEAR that Isaiah is referring to the child as Mighty God and Everlasting Father. It takes all sorts of literary stunts to try and make that NOT obvious.
As for Isaiah 53. Again, it is ATTEMPTED to make that vague and to mean something (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
that is not obvious.
The ENTIRE passage of Isaiah 53 is in first person SINGULAR (HE). Israel is not referred to as a masculine "He."
Once again, to make it something other than the OBVIOUS the Muslim (and even the Jew) most make it something unclear and vague to avoid the simple and obvious.
I'm sorry my friend, I will stick with what is plain, simple, and clear.
Isaiah 9:6 is about a CHILD that will be called God. Simple, plain, clear.
Isaiah 53 is about a HE that will suffer (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
for the sins of mankind. Israel WILL NOT suffer for the sins of mankind.
You can justify your belief through whatever fancy footwork and literary theatrics you wish.
The truth is plain and clear to those who have a heart to receive it.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Hello jorsak
The fact is Muslims dont think the Bible is an authority that faithfully and inerrantly quotes Jesus PBUH. It's not like we say, "oh yeah he said that but he was wrong."
I have no reason to believe that he actually said what the Bible says he says.
I know that Muslim scholars sometimes use the Bible to prove a point - but the fact that we agree with some of the Bible does not necessitate we believe in all of it PLUS the Christian doctrine the Churches are foisting on us.
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
I am well aware of your view. I am well aware that since the Qur'an completely contradicts the Law of God, the Prophets, and The Messiah himself that the Qur'an and Muslims therefor MUST argue corruption.
If the words in the book stand, then Islam is a farce. So, OF COURSE< you will argue this point. That is certainly nothing new.
However, There's not one single solitary shred of evidence, historical or other wise that you can offer to refute the fact that the law of God which was (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
introduced to the Jews through Moshe has ever NOT required sacrifice for teh atonement of sin.
This is a historical fact recorded by believer and non. You cannot demonstrate a single copy that shows Leviticus 17:11 has ever existed in any different form for example.
"For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life."
Additionally, the book of Isaiah who is one of (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
the greatest of the prophets, has stood demonstrably unchanged for thousands of years.
Isaiah 53, speaking of the Messiah, states:
"But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;" 5
"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering," 10
"he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (Cont)
jorsak 2 years ago
verse 12.
You cannot demonstrate that the book of Isaiah has ever existed in ANY other form.
Psalm 22 from the Prophet David, which Jesus quotes from the cross, records of the Messiah:
"5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed."
"16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet."
you cannot demonstrate that Psalm 22 has ever existed in ANY other form. It is exactly as it was written and(cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
has existed just as Isaiah unchanged for thousands of years.
Without ever mentioning the New Testament, Paul, the Church, or even the words of Jesus, I have demonstrated to you that the law requires sacrifice for sin and two different prophets say the same and I challenge you to demonstrate that ANY of it has ever been demonstrably shown corrupted.
You've been TAUGHT that the church is foisting beliefs on you and that is simply false.
I want proof the book of Leviticus (the law) has (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
has been changed. I want proof that the Psalms have been changed. I want proof that Isaiah has been changed.
Bring your proof and we will discuss it. Else, the law and the prophets stand as God's word said they would stand unaltered and we won't have to accept the silly notion that God is incapable of protecting his word to mankind.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Hello again,
What's really strange is that Christians point the finger at Muslims for changing the law about God needing sacrifice, but somehow ignore the fact that theyve changed just about everything else about the Law of the Prophets.
Christians, as I understand it, have completely disqualified most of the teachings of the Old Testament declaring it has been "nailed to the cross". (Please clarify if you do not believe this) (cont)
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
Hello friend,
Here's the problem with that notion. If the law requires sacrifice for sin (as clearly it does) and the law was fulfilled in Jesus as he stated specifically that he came to do, then the Christian are consistent in their teaching that we are no longer under the law BECAUSE OF that fulfillment in Jesus.
Thus, the Muslim must explain why he does not follow the sacrificial law (and any other prescribed by the law.)
For the Christian, the curse of the law has been removed (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
though that does not give us license to sin (Romans 6). Now we serve and follow his commands not from obligation of the but from love for the one who redeemed us from it's curse through his fulfillment of it. I offered my sacrifice as the law required and through that sacrifice I have been perfected in God's eyes because of the sacrifices perfection. (all of this is rather painstakingly detailed in scripture)
THAT is all quite consistent. However, as I stated, the Muslim, must explain(Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
why he has selectively removed the portions of the law that lead to salvation.
As the law, the prophets, and even the messiah himself were all very consistent in their belief that sacrifice for the remission of sin was necessary.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
PS. Christ did not do away with divorce. He explained that Moses gave them a certificate of divorce (allowed by the law) only because of the hardness of their hearts but that from the beginning it was never intended.
In other words, he taught that while legal it was something God never desired for them.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
So basically, you're not bound by the law because he forgave your sins in advance?
I dont know why it's so hard for Christians to see that the the Prophet Muhammad PBUH was given the authority to be a law maker just as the Prophet Moses PBUH was
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
No. I'm not bound by the law because I have fulfilled the law through Jesus. I have been perfected by Jesus' atonement for my sins. It is as though I have never sinned nor ever will sin because he has perfectly atoned (Made payment) for those sins. Thus, in God's eyes I am seen as perfect. The righteousness of Jesus is now my own.
Scripture states exactly that, "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy" -Hebrews 10:14
Mohamed could never (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
issue command in contradiction to what God has revealed and required prior.
While I am not under God's law, it HAS been fulfilled in Jesus and thus the law has been met.
It is not some arbitrary setting aside of the law. Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets and thus I am in complete alignment with all of it.
God does not contradict himself and would not tell a prophet something contrary to what he has said before.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
But.. just about all of Christian belief is contradictory to Jewish belief?
The fact that God became a man and has a son and paid for your sins - none of that is Jewish?
Secondly it's not contradictory. I urge you to read the Qur'an you'll find it very much in accord with what was sent down to all the Prophets. There are a few minor differences but then you must acknowledge that the Prophet Muhammad PBUH was not sent to the Jews (cont)
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
#1. I couldn't disagree more.
Isaiah 9:6 records:
6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us... And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God (El-Gibor), Eternal Father (Avi-ad), Prince of Peace.
NO Human is ever called El-Gibor or Avi-ad. NONE. Not ONCE in all scripture. Thus, to assert that God would take on the form of a human is ABSOLUTELY a Jewish idea.
Dying for our sins? I already quoted you specific passages from the law and the prophets (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
that CLEARLY define this notion that the Messiah would die for our sins and even down to HOW he would die (Pierced hands and feet) which Jesus himself quotes from the cross.
Please Read the Messianic chapters of Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22.
So, the notion that the God man Messiah would die for our sins is ABSOLUTELY Jewish in origin.
Jesus even states of his betrayal, his being numbered amongst the transgressors, his dying on that cross was ALL done in order to fulfill the law and the (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
prophets. Thus it is plainly evident that Christianity FAR from contradicts Judaism but instead is an outgrowth and completion OF Judaism.
#2. The idea that the Jews are somehow a materialistic people and THAT is why they need sacrifice for atonement???? Where in the world did you get this?
GOD gave the LAW to Moshe and it was GOD he demanded the sacrifice for the remission of sin.
As I have already quoted numerous different passages to show, there is no forgiveness without sacrifice.
jorsak 2 years ago
I must apologize I was presumptuous about the Jewish translation of the Hebrew Bible - it seems it is strange that the Christians translated the name "Pele Yoetz El Gibor Avi Ad Sar Shalom" - whereas they do not usually translate strange Hebrew names - such as Maher Shalal Hash Baz - but they have here. Either way it's strange! This name-translating is very confusing to someone not familiar with the scriptures
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
oh oops my last comment about El Gibor - "ilovechickens" is my brother's account.
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
but rather was sent to all of mankind and for all times - unlike the "Jewish" prophets - and so the law has to be flexible enough to work for all of makind and not simply to fit the needs of the Jewish people. The Jews are known to be a materiallistic people and this was why they needed the sacrifice for atonement. Anyhow we Muslims still do a sacrifice in remembrance of the Prophet Abraham PBUH (in Eid) for all those who have done the pilgrimage, but Allah SWT tells us in the Qur'an: (cont)
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
"Their flesh and their food reach not Allah, but the devotion from you reacheth Him. Thus have We made them subject unto you that ye may magnify Allah that He hath guided you. And give good tidings (O Muhammad) to the good. " Qur'an 78:37
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
@jorsak Council of Nicea made up your faith or not?
Omgtheykilledme 1 year ago
@Omgtheykilledme Nicea had nothing to do with making up any aspect of my faith or for that matter any aspect of the faith of Christians everywhere. The council of Nicea was called to deal with ONE bishop (Arius) who was teaching that Jesus WAS NOT God. 318+ showed up to hear what he was teaching 22 came in support of Arius until they heard his teachings. They voted that he should be ruled a heretic (all but 2 voted against him) and that his teachings should be burned.
Read wikipedia.
jorsak 1 year ago
What was CONFIRMED at Nicea was what the church had taught since the foundation of the church.
Read scripture, "5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God,..." -Philippians 2:5-6
Does that seem confusing to you at all? Jesus, in VERY NATURE GOD. the first council of Nicea confirmed this fact.
jorsak 1 year ago
and so that explains why they dont agree with stoning, polygamy, divorce, circumcision, and have no problem in breaking the commandment of not making graven images (hence all the statues of the saints in the churches).
Could you please clarify why this is so?
And in fact if you look at Muslim life (as it is taught) it resembles the lives of all the Prophets far greater than the life of a Christian.
(cont)
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
sorry that bit about divorce was incorrect - It's not true that Christians don't believe in divorce because of the law being nailed to the cross as my sentence seemed tp have been implying - I recall now a passage about Jesus PBUH directly abolishing the divorce law
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
abukid 2 years ago
Prove this to me, tell me which chapter is this in and what is the context.
You have to just be so freaking daft.
Why do you have kids? why? survival of the species, isn't it. Then why the heck would God need a son? Is he going to DIE? NOOO.
I'm truly sick of these illogical statements. And don't tell me logic doesn't apply. Unless you saying God gives you things like logic for nothing. Is he stupid?NOOOOO.
PBUY. WAKE UP!!!!
He gives you things you need.
Just wake up you people.
Jessewb 2 years ago
exactly.
jorsak 2 years ago
these were some of the harshest questioners ive ever seen at a debate
pokebum93 2 years ago
Watch the woman in part (4/18) 7:57 she saying shit shit shit during the shek talking so tell me brothers and sisters is those people deserve to advice the to for goodness to go to haven ?I say leave them the hell fire needs fuels .
oldvitti 2 years ago
no no, you are wrong, it is the duty of every muslim to spread the true message, let them do what they want. it is allah who guides to true path.
quickfixyz 2 years ago 6
اللهم أطمس على أموالهم واشدد على قلوبهم ان لايؤمنوا حتى يروا العذاب الاليم
oldvitti 2 years ago
he nicley said "bible is in dead languages the quran is in living language 120 million people speaks
arabic the languaeg of quran, the bible is wrriten in acient hebrew, ancient aramic and
ancient greek which no body speaks, jeremiah is considered the most authentic by jews in
the old testament"
mujeeburehmannn 2 years ago
he further said "the bible has been the propety of church not the people, the first table of contents to
the bible that reads the same as the contents of bible now dates from the year 367,"
mujeeburehmannn 2 years ago
the first discussion couldnt be even much mor ebebtter what a wonderful knowledge did gary miller shared with us God bless him, he added so many beautiufl teachings "a repentence sinner is better than sinnless person"
mujeeburehmannn 2 years ago
Yes brother and those people in this video from south Africa the waste people I ever seen and we have in holy Quran (the hell fire fuel the people and the stone) and if I was brother deedat I will not advise them because the hell fire need fuel and those the fuel.
oldvitti 2 years ago
Salam..
Brother/sister..
This is not what Prophet Muhammad PBUH taught. It is not for us to condemn people to Hell as we wish and decide who does or does not deserve it. Only Allah knows.
"So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqun"
Quran 53:32
falasteeniyyeh 2 years ago
And I'm not sure who here was condemning someone to hell. God most certainly does that. Specifically Jesus states that all judgement has been given to him (John 5:22). So, it is Jesus who will stand in judgement of humanity.
However, God gave us a specific means by which we are to atone for our sins. It is plainly stated in his law.
As it says in Leviticus 17:11 (and many others) "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement (cont)
jorsak 2 years ago
for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life."
And further in Hebrews 9:22 "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."
This is his law. He states it rather plainly. And thus, without sacrifice, it is not MY judgment, but God's that there will be no forgiveness for sin which results in eternal separation from God.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!
raginggaijin 2 years ago 14
Great answer to the supposed atheist.
indypindy2 3 years ago 4
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad SAW has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
oldvitti 3 years ago 3
oldvitti brother whenever ur talking from the hole quran pls give the chap&verse number
afglionheart 3 years ago 2
this to
oldvitti ( what ever u said its from quran chapter 61:8
61:8] They wish to put out GOD's light with their mouths. But GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
23sfrb 2 years ago
Its easy to refute many of the teachings that Christians give today, Deedat makes this clear. However, I do believe that there should be a distinction of what Christians and translations based on what authors interpretations teach, compared to a literal translation bible applied with proper Jewish tradition and logic.
I appreciate both camps, and those in between, it is important that we all try and serve God to the best of our being.
Ebdomos 3 years ago
guess what gary miller is now known as (abdul ahad omar) yes he has reverted to islam some time ago subhanala
german123454321 3 years ago 3
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Can you imagine that you go and commit all the sins in the world then God say ok go free. That is insanity!!! Without a sacrifice!!! deedat is not ineligent at all. Do not forget that God made the law, God has the right to punish His son in our place! tell Him he can not do what He wants! A ings says catchthe thief and whip them 40 lashes, so they catch his mother, HE made that law as king so He uses His authority to be just and He stands in front of Her and takes the lashes. John 3:16-18 iloveu
finepaid 3 years ago
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Do you think a judge will let you go after murder because You ave decided to do good? because you decided to obey! God woud be more evil then you for murder if He let you Go! IF you want the best answer Look at (the true meaning of the Cross by Paul Washer. Salvation in in Jesus ad that is all. John 14:6
finepaid 3 years ago
The Quran is the last and true revelation from almighty God and the bible has been played like a an LP on a DJs deck. They messed it up big time. Christians should be aware of the truth and look into it urgently. The bible has been changed and altered.
onlylordisAllah 3 years ago 11
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The quran is copied from the bible with a bunch of mumbo-jumbo added. it can be compared with the "book of enoch"!!
duio 3 years ago
plz quote me one verse that is exactly the same or from bible and Quran? and hight light the mumbo jumbo (what you think)
jabran19 3 years ago 3
So sad Mr/Miss Duio. Quran copied all the good things from bible but fail to copy, the incest stories, making you eat shit baked cakes stories from bible etc etc..I guess you read your bible and quran well, thats how you came to this conclusion of Quran copied from Bible.
khanmd76 3 years ago 4
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"Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not Jehovah or Jesus.
duio 3 years ago
It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic
iamamuslimareu 3 years ago 3
Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible.
duio 3 years ago
The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism.
iamamuslimareu 3 years ago 5
Islam and Christianity -Ahmed Deedat and Gary Miller
duio 3 years ago
there always and will be someone taking over alhamdullilah.
mademan4life 3 years ago
1 ansa ahmed deedat shud say is WELL SEE YOU ON DAY OF JUDGMENT ANSA YOUR ILLETERATE QUESTION'S. AHMED DEEDAT WAY TO HUMBLE FOR THEM PATHETIC LOSER'S WHO BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALES. may Allah (swt) grant him jannat ameen
shamza81 3 years ago
I agreee with you, I mean they are so disrespectful, and when they ask questions, they don't even make sesnse, they don't provide evidence or any relevence.
mademan4life 3 years ago
very nice verrrrrryyy y nicee 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%%% goooooooodddd thx for that
SiKeStHaRdEsT1 3 years ago
Oh Allah, I bear witness that Your servant, Ahmed Deedat has done a truly remarkable job of propagating Islam in truth to our fellow brethren, the Christians. May You handsomely reward him with Your Jannah.Ameen. We miss a man like him. May Allah send more such learned and passionate men to spread the meassage of truth to mankind like Mr.Ahmed Deedeat.Ameen.
dinothman 3 years ago 4
Allah, bless ahmed Deedat, bless his soul.Allah he brings this lowly servant of yours near to You. Bless him .
nooriabilal 3 years ago 3
Salam~
Thanks so much for uploading this vid.
It's a very interesting vid to watch and very knowledgeable.
May ALLAH bless you always Ahmed Deedat! :D
hankypankyhullabaloo 3 years ago 2
Allah blees u,Ahmad Deedat
adnyyyyyy 3 years ago 5
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stramandavole 3 years ago
this segment of this lecture is not about deedat. it is about whether god is just. the questioner said that christians beleive that god is just. deedat said how could christians say that yet they beleive jesus was crucified for other's sins. deedat asked: how could you say that and you beleive god killed the most innocent man for the sins others.
tonyasaiya 3 years ago 3
Really? im sorry. I didnt know that. Im just upset that he died. because ahmed deedat was a great man and i wish he is still alive right now. God bless his soul.
thank you for letting me know brother.
Kite207 3 years ago 4
Christianity dosent want you to learn from your mistakes, even if you did it wont help you.
Islam want you to learn from your mistakes because mistakes makes you human and by learning your mistake it will make you better person.
Kite207 3 years ago
oh Ahmad deedat why do you have to die. may god bless him and have mercy on his soul. he was a great man.
Kite207 3 years ago 3
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deedat is in hell!!!
qwevu 3 years ago
prove it.
Kite207 3 years ago 2
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prove what? he didnt accept jesus christ as saviour...so he's in hell. jesus christ is the way, thet truth and the life..NO ONE goes to the Father except through jesus christ...deedat didnt accept him so where could he be now?? IN HELL!!
qwevu 3 years ago
Christianity says to people "You are a sinner and you never be saved unless if you believe in except through believe the shedding of blood of Christ"
,"...Without shedding of blood there is no atonement" (Hebrews 9:22)
Islam says to people " you are a sinner. and the best sinner who aknowledge thier sin and turn away from it"
"It is not their meat nor blood that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him..."(Surah Al-Hajj, verse 37)
Kite207 3 years ago 6
Great talk by Ahmad deedat & Gary miller.Thanks for the upload bro.
muslim610 3 years ago 5
ok christian brothers and sisters, just accept your trinity ..no question ask...shhh..no question..dont even dare to ask any question if you dont understand..even the pope doesnt understand.
yuslan 4 years ago 3
we are prepared to deebate with you.kewl invitation...."jesus dies for our sins".ok. some sins, not all...does that mean jesus get the reward for our good deeds?dont be a coward people, be responsible for your doings..whether its good or bad..thats the law of life and the place where you work.
yuslan 4 years ago
CAN U NUMBER THE SINS WHICH JESUS DIED(NOT) FOR OUR SINS?
why should an innocent person die for sins?
can u die for my sins?
do it then...
if u can't do it , why should jesus do it?
i know you would say he's GOD.
if God died then who was controlling the world for 3 days?
you would say holyghost/god/jesus are three but one.and you would come up with the example of H20.
i challange you to create solid liquid and gaseous state within ONE MOLECULE of H2O.
Trinity is bullshit
sabeershah 4 years ago 2
X1REME: Mr. Deedat has succeeded only in controlling the topic under debate, carefully avoiding topic matter that Moslems find embarrassing. In truth, many Christians are ignorant of Islam although this situation is now changing as access to Islamic writings is freely available. And most people are shocked and apalled at what they find there.
chatillon52 4 years ago
People do need laws to live their lives or else they are ANIMALS. Since they don't know what is good and what is bad for them being creatures, they need a creator to show them their limits with wisdom. And no doubt ALLAH ALMIGHTY gives us the laws that illustrate how much He Cares about us and Loves us.......make sense????????
KhanFreeha 4 years ago
loving god...we dont need a police...we dont need law...make sense???
yuslan 4 years ago
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Mr. Deedat was a skillful rhetoritician and it's a treat to see him in action. For all that, his debates show a curious lack of courage in addressing questions concerning Islam. Possible topics? How about:" Was Mohammed truly a prophet?" Or: "Who was really an 'excellent model' Mohammed or Jesus?"
chatillon52 4 years ago
He already did those topics and I can say that he won a decisive victory against the Christian Missionaries. You can look the videos on Youtube. We don't differentiate between prophets of God for we consider them honorable men. Jesus and Muhammad were both the messengers of God.
BabaRizwan 4 years ago
Messengers of God can be determined by their action, the fruits of their words. Mohammed's life and behavior were almost 180 degrees removed from those of Jesus. I would be very happy to see a video of Mr. Deedat discussing this with anyone, but I have not yet found such a video, hence my suspicion that he lacked the courage to do so. Also, please note that my earlier comment has been hidden. Does it frighten someone here?
chatillon52 4 years ago
Wow, stunning speeches. It is a shame for so much time to be wasted in the question and answer part. Jazak Allah Khair
satanicaa 4 years ago
Mr Deedat says that no innocent man dies for another,but he forgot to mention that his belief is that God replaced Jesus on the cross with someone else.now the question becomes interesting
DID THAT MAN THEN DIE FOR JESUS? Even if that man was a sinner,he deserved to die for his sins and not for the accusation of JESUS!
IF THAT PERSON WAS ONLY THE LIKELINESS OF JESUS AND NOT THE REAL PERSON,THEN GOD WAS PURPOSEFULLY DECEIVING THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY SAW JESUS DIE ON THE CROSS.
tsop241 4 years ago
nope..that is not his belief...in all of his lectures on the crucifixion he was adamant that the whole event was simply "MADE TO APPEAR SO" as stated in the Qur'an..not that somebody replaced Jesus on the cross...in any case he was merely pointing out the understanding of the Bible that "The INNOCENT is not a ransom for the sinner, but, the SINNER is a ransom for the innocent"...that's from ur Bible..go study more before you make stupid claims
xtopherus 4 years ago
thanx for the reply,in any case what do you think "MADE TO APPEAR SO" means? from the quran as you have stated.
tsop241 4 years ago
Listen, if you think that God died on a cross then it goes to show that you would believe that God also decieves.
Read other books of the Bibles and you will see other people put on the cross anyways, that is coming from Christian traditions and the Quran confirms it!
abdullah1425 4 years ago
you guys cannot answer a simple question,
even if that question stems from the writing in your own book!
you can't say anything without qouting the bible,there have been a lot of religions in the world,isn't it strange that allah wants to "correct the christians and jews only"
tsop241 4 years ago
If you are going astray and want to be brought back to the straight path then it dosent matter what religious background your from because we are all born Muslim brother.
abdullah1425 4 years ago
can you answer me honestly?
how does one become a muslim?
i'll be waiting for your response!
tsop241 4 years ago
God says in the Quran that we are all born Muslim it's just how we are brought up that can reflect our outer religious following.
If you want to declare your faith in Islam as a Muslim then you testify the Kalimah which is "I bear witness that thier is no deity worthy of worship but God, Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
abdullah1425 4 years ago
If your coming from a Jewish background you may also add "and Moses is a messenger of Allah" (peace be upon them both).
I hope that answers your question.
Muhammad Abdullah.
abdullah1425 4 years ago
now if i only bear witness that there's none worth worshipping except allah ,and nothing more,would you still consider me a muslim?
becareful when you answer this question!
tsop241 4 years ago
Listen, you can worship whatever you like and i have explained to you how a Muslim submits himself to God.
Question yourself and your own beliefs and stop wasting my time or try to run around in circles. God is the one, God is Absolute, He does not produce children nor was He produced and thier is nothing like Him.
abdullah1425 4 years ago
listen,abdullah1425,i didn't have aproblem with what i and you believe in.
the problem came when your side started calling me kaffir and a descendent of "pigs and apes".
while on the other hand you say i am a muslim,while in your book(quran),your god says he will forgive anything except a person who worship other gods besides him!!
tsop241 4 years ago
if i have gone astray,as you've mentioned earlier,(and by the way it's not my fault because allah leads astray whomever he wills)
you will be actualy waisting your own time when you sugest to me to 'revert'to islam.
and remember,you chose to answer my question,you still have a choice not answer me!peace be upon you! I MEAN THAT.
tsop241 4 years ago
Tsop, I think you are confused. Actually, in nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that someone was placed instead of Jesus on the cross. If you have questions on this feel free to ask.
satanicaa 4 years ago
christianity is about drama!!it eally makes zero sense!may allah have mercy on your soul uncle deedat
islamsbeautiful 4 years ago
The born again christians must be brain washed non of them have any questions but only giving lectures themselves, they are given an answer but they continue giving their lecture, in my openion they are not very smart ppl, they are stupid, because their intelligance level seems to be very los, veeeery low
amisab 4 years ago
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things." (2:256)
this verse speaks about non-moslims not apostates.
Apostates are moslims who refuse islam and I explained why the law of their killing existed.
24i6i86 4 years ago
Fault this logic: (1) Muslims believe that all people are born Muslims (hence Muslims say people "revert" to Islam rather than convert to Islam) (2) It follows every non-muslim is an apostate (3) Shariah law states that apostacy is punishable by death (3) Therefore muslims should kill every non-muslim.
FollowIsaMasih 4 years ago
we believe all ppl are born in islam. not the lable you know but as to believe in god the one and only & the preference of good over evil & so forth.then your parents bring u into their religion. again apostate doesn't mean non moslims it's moslims who rject the faith.for non moslims there shall be no compulsion in religion & apostates islam has a process for them. you don't just slit their throats. doesn't wok that way.
24i6i86 4 years ago
With respect, this explanation does not make sense. Either people are born Muslims or they are not. If they are born Muslims and become something else then they are apostates because they have rejected the Muslim faith that they were born with.
FollowIsaMasih 4 years ago
I really don't know how u judge or reason. I said his PARENTS would bring the new born into their religion. The baby didn't reject faith. when you are few months old & u are baptized what choice did you have? but you'll be ask on the day of judgement about the decision you made when you had the ability to think and analyze.
24i6i86 4 years ago
What you have just said must mean that people are not born Muslims because they haven't chosen to follow Islam.
I agree with you in relation to child baptism. Only people who are able to choose to follow Jesus should be baptised. Child baptism is wrong and is not in the Bible.
FollowIsaMasih 4 years ago
I'm happy that we at least agree on one thing.
there's a word in arabic "fitrah" I don't think there is a word for it in english but it basically means the nature that god creats all people with. you don't choose your fitrah. it's god's creation. that's why all people are born into islam. because this fitrah within them is the concept of islam not the lable.
24i6i86 4 years ago
(3) when you say he was never a true christian you suppose he was a hypocrate we call this attack. I think because he was a true christian he became moslim. not because I like the guy I don't know him. but becasue his evidence is clear and he has logic. if he reverted then he has a logic and not because he's stupid or never a good christian.I'm looking forward 2 c ur video.
24i6i86 4 years ago
obviously you know satin personally.
Man you even know his likes and dislikes :D
24i6i86 4 years ago
Sorry if my answers were long but I have to be accurate or else I'll have to answer to God on the judgement day :) I think people thing you're an Arab because of your nickname it contains the word Masih that's the arabic term for christ. you are most welcome and thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. if I can be of any help plz don't hesitate to ask.
24i6i86 4 years ago
Salaam Alakium
In Islam, the aim is to become a slave of Allah. In Christianity, it is to become a child of Almighty God. If you would like to know about the teachings of Isa Masih, please send me a message.
Peace
FollowIsaMasih 4 years ago
Two things are obvious about Gary Miller from watching the whole debate: (1) He was a Muslim (although he may not have had all the doctrine clear in his head at that point) and (2) He was never a true Christian.
FollowIsaMasih 4 years ago
why do you attack the man's personality. what's in it for you what his religion is? if you can disprove his evidence and reasons plz post that in a video so that we may benefit from it. it is a habit of the people of the book to kill, disrespect or speak bad about those who revert. I engourage you to read ibn salam's story (you seem to me to be an arab). it will prove my point.
24i6i86 4 years ago
24i6i86: (1) I never attacked Gary Miller's personality. (2) I will post a video one day. I have no time at the moment! (3) Christianity, unlike Islam, does not encourage or allow the murder of apostates. I have prayed that God would open Gary Miller's eyes to the truth (4) I am not an arab (although am often told I look like one) (5) Thanks for the tip. Have read the story now.
FollowIsaMasih 4 years ago