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  • This is exactly the same as the knife techniques we do in Bujinkan, North west Bujinkan. Knife is most important.

  • The only thing I still have troubl with in practice training and such even getting off videos is the mind science behind it. Something I've come to understand with To-Shin-Do is there's a lot more going on in the head than just what you see in a vid and it can be hard relaying that.  The warrior mentality is something that comes partially with experience.

  • where do you get the sparring gloves he has and what or they called ?

  • @superpigforlife They are called "cobra glvoes" but there are many different styles of them available, so you might not see oen exactly the same as ours.

  • beautiful gyaku's at 4: 30 and at 4 :38 that han gyaku was performed in a way i haven't even seen before. beautiful and painful

  • love the tenchu music one of my all time favorite games, also my favorite subject (not the video game)

  • hey you think that watching your videos and practicing your techniques with a partner can defend myself in the street I live in a very dangerous and always with knife assault

  • Short answer: No.

    Long answer: No, But...

    You need to attend a self defence class, DVDs and books etc. are just learning aids, it's impossible to completely learn an art watching videos. You can, if you understand the basics of the art and have had instruction, but If you have no idea, and try and copy a video...it wont work. Try and find a to-shin do, bujinkan or other self-defence dojo in your area and train hard! Good luck!

  • ok than you for answere

  • Watching this demo video reminds me a lot of what I learned and was taught while training with Eclectic Karate as a teenager. And Eclectic Karate is a mixed martial art that focuses on street oriented techniques and not the sport stuff you see on UFC that unfortunately so many people think of when they think of MMA. I wish Mr. Hayes would open up a Quest Center in the Philadelphia area. I have long wished to train in his art.

  • @phaedres7681

    Yes I agree with the MMA being a complete sport, although the principles it teaches are still helpful, as you say it is hardly built for defence.

    As for training, if you join the stephen K hayes forums or search on google there may be some long distance learners there who will train with you. There is a specific section in the forums on his website dedicated to finding training partners for Long distance students. And of course there's the DVD's and downloads to help you too.

  • Soundtrack from Tenchu! Awesome!

  • People always talk about how MMA is the best "martial art" and shit, when in fact, it's a combination of martial arts taught under rules. It's nowhere near useless, but they don't teach self defense in terms of knowing what to do when somebody has a knife or anything. I'd say ninjutsu or krav maga may be the best ones, since they are military and survival styles/systems.

  • That's not even what MMA is supposed to be. MMA is supposed to be an event, or sport (UFC) that allows multiple styles in the fight, hence "mixed martial arts". Now every MMA fighter (exaggeration) uses some random striking from no particular style and lots of grappling from wrestling and jujitsu. No longer is it 1 style against another, but a sweaty wrestling match with the occasional style-less punch or low kick.

  • The best analogy I 've heard was "After a massive dramatic buildup about how intesively the two combatants have been training, the match begins, and quickly degrades into 30 minutes of sweaty groin punching". :D

  • Yet another x-kan member who can't read previosu comments...it's getting irritating to have to repeat "THIS IS A DEMO OF BASIC TECHNIQUES: IT IS NOT HOW WE ACTUALLY TRAIN".

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  • You are very privleged my friend. I havnt had the pleasure of training with the instructors at Tampa quest centre but their reputation speaks for itself, ive also seen clips of Helen 'jotoshi' Russo and her husband Mark 'sentoshi' Russo (4th and 7th dan) and their taijutsu is excellent and very fluid! Mr Russo is one of the highest ranking shihan in our art!

    Kieran Beattie

    Red belt

    quest Dojo

    To-Shin Do U.k

  • There could just been an experience level difference. I am very into MMA now. Been so for several years. All my friends and competitors I know are into MMA coming from very traditional backgrounds. But they are all always ready to learn anything that would 1. Help them in the ring. 2. Help them with health and conditioning. 3. Help them in self defense should they have to defend loved ones. - I think closed mindedness is wrong. There is something to learn from everyone.

  • bryce: If you are the black haired guy in the video, and I know nothing about you, based on your size, with the right footwork and combination striking/kicking, you could have really outclassed your apponent in this video. Unless this was just a demo of techniques. It's hard to tell on Youtube.

  • Yeah like it says in the description, it's just a demo, but I have tried going full speed with full intention without Mr Hesketh knowing what I'm going to do, and even with my extensive Muay Thai knowledge my face always seems to find the floor. :D

  • Bryce: I think if you go to any legit, good gym that produces good fighters (be it millitary gym, russian spetsnas, mma, krav maga, muay thai, submission grapplign, etc.), you will see that sparring is also not 100% of the training. Conditioning, training the individual comes first and formost. Hays is a huge tough guy. For his age, he's tough. I remember attending one of his seminars as a teen in the 80s. He's also NOT like the rest of the ninpo instructors.

  • Yes that is definately true, I'm going to a seminar with Mr Hesketh (the guy in the video) to train with Mr Hayes again soon. With any teacher and every school everyone has different teaching and indeed, learning methods.

  • I'm researching a martial arts to study and I think I'm going to go with this one. Please if anyone is more knowledgeable about this form, please give me more info or a link in which to find accurate info. Thank you!

  • sohaila, dont take to shin do if you want to study a martial art.

  • Why not? It is a martial art. You'd have to be a moron to think it isn't. Ninjutsu gave birth to Jujitsu and Aikido, so I really don't think you have a clue what your on about! :D

  • IT LOOKS LIKE BUDO TAIJUTSU

  • Seeing as that is the style to-shin do grew from, is it any suprise?

  • good eye, to-shin-do is from the same line

  • ninjachelas, you realize that karate could be considered budo taijutsu?

    lol

  • maybe taijutsu, nevertheless, budo NEVER

  • you're stupid. budo is just the japanese word for martial arts. aikido, kenjutsu, ju jutsu, etc are all budo...and of course, karate is a japanese martial art.

    and i never got why bujinkan decided to call themselves "bujinkan budo taijutsu" when theres more than just taijutsu in their ryuha...

  • Budo means "way" or "path" in a similar fasion to "Do" the japanese for art or school is "Ryu". Anyways you guys have strayed a bit off-topic :D

  • bu means martial or war, do means path or way.

    budo means martial way...basically meaning martial art.

  • Again, true, but I would say there are definately some arts that should not be learned together, (by that I mean learning two arts at the same time) because when I did Muay Thai, I would then go to my To-Shin Do class, and it would take me the 1st hour of training to stop being really tense (from the very hard, circular style of muay thai to a more linear one like to-shin do is damn hard to get to work together.)

  • Love the Tenchu music lol.

  • Thanks, as good as his music is, everyone in to-shin do uses todd norcross' music, so I decided to use something different for a change.

  • Having been in the martial arts for years, I really have to say, I feel bad for anyone who lapels grabs a good martial artist in almost any style. That will probably be the end.

  • No one lapel graps. No one punches and kicks in slow motion. No one takes a running slow motion start with a knife trying to attack you (in most cases, you feel the knife before you see it). No one spars in slow motion. Where are the hard leg kicks, punch combos, take downs?

  • Read the description for the love of god.... :D

    BASIC

    BASIC

    BASIC

  • Oh, and yeah, I'm the black-haired uke in the vid, and I have to say people DEFINATELY DO lapel grab, as I have had it done to me by chavs quite a few times, and I'm glad I'd trained because I never came away from it injured, whereas in most cases they did. But, it's their fault for grabbing people, and If you don't train in something that could happen in reality, you aren't training realistically. Complain to sum1 who trains in an art not geared towards selfdefence about how unreal they are.

  • Mr Hayes said about sparring:

    "Sparring is only a small part of the mix. We do not see sparring as the final test as a sportsman would. We also practice full impact on training targets. We practice body conditioning for strength and suppleness. We practice fighting against those who do not fight like us. We practice recognizing what the attack is, and making up our minds in a split second as to what is needed to stop that attack."

    Notice the vid doesn't say "SPARRING" anywhere.

  • martial arts is amazing, no matter what style you take. personally i prefer hardstyle martial arts (tae kwon do, for example. thats what i got my first black belt in) but soft styles are cool too... i'm unsure of which this would be classified as though..

    seems almost as a mix, but i lean more to soft style. doesn't mean its a bad thing, because soft styles hide a lot of strength and power.

    so, which is it classified as? anyone know?

  • To-Shin Do is a mixture of hard and soft as it is devided into "elements" when u first start training. This shows mainly water which is a softer style as it flows with opponents energy, but the system as a whole (or at least the Ninjutsu that it originated from) is an "Ansatsuken" or "killing art": i.e. it is designed for killing, or permanant disfgurement, however, this is not taught at basic lvl as the system is "americanised" so that the most likely self-defence situations are taught first.

  • i figured as much. i may be young, but i have a good feel for martial arts. let me think... water and air is going to be more soft style, and earth and fire more hardstyle?

    i know a guy who trains in ninjitsu, (he sent me this vid) and he's like, red and black or something... and when we spar, he uses more hardstyle. if red is fire, than is all of this accurate?

  • Also just wikipedia: "To-shin do" "ninjutsu" and "Bujinkan" to get a better idea of what type of art this is :)

    I'm also a fan of other martial arts, as Im a practitioner of Muay Thai as well as to-shin do, but i have to say the latter is far more useful as an art, because its not like Muay Thai or kickboxing in that its not a sport/competition art.

  • Yeah, earth is downwards movement i.e. most locks and fire is forward piercing movements like punches etc. wind is actually the highest/most difficult element, as it involves doging, but it also has a sharp cutting edge to it, and after that there is "void" which is all elements together, interchanging all the time, and then beyond that is balckbelt dan ranks.

  • the blue belt has no idea how to punch, look at his posture and his balance

  • Which Blue Belt do you mean? Not that it matters, as the punches are meant to be thrown as if by someone who has no training, (i.e. your everyday chav in the street) as this is only a DEMO of LEVEL 1 TECHNIQUES. If you mean the 1st blue belt, thats me, and I'm glad you liked my little "no skill" performance, but I can assure you I can punch quite well, as I am instructor level in Muay-thai, and register a 0.9 VC. As for the 2nd guy I can vouch for his punches being realistic, just not for this.

  • lol!! i was one of the uki in this video, believe me my friend ian ( the 1st uke) can hit pretty hard and i know from experience!! like he stated, this is just a demo and if we attacked our instructor with full intention+plus using our taijutsu we'd both be in hospital!! also for the record, we were both blue/black belt at the time of filming

  • the attacker is a blue belt? not even fair

  • LOL it's not a fight, just a demo.

  • yea i had that figured out... i did to shin do for 7 years and im a 1st degree black belt so i did alot of demos... but whenever i had a young attacker i was worried that they wouldnt know how to move and that i would break something... never did but came close

  • Sounds a bit worrying to me, The whole point is to not break things unless you need to.

  • yea thats the point but once in a while they would tense up when in an arm lock... which isnt exactly good which is why i like training with other belts green and up

  • Well, in the end it comes down to their teacher, and I'm red belt atm, and before I was blue/white I knew not to tense in an arm lock. It's especially worse for me as my arms/wrists don't feel pain from wristlocks, even Mr norris and Mr Polinquin couldnt hurt me with wristlocks, but they just change to another technique, in real life, the person will be tense, so if you have totally compliant uke's you are not training for self-defence, if u cant let go before a break you arent training right.

  • No pain from wrist locks.... like taki ori (or however u spell it)... but i trained with my brother who was never compliant... and twice as strong as me... so he'd just be like no thats not gonna work and muscle his way out of it... but yea some are way to compliant and its no fun.

  • i understand where you're coming from, but good ukemi/taihenjutsu skills greatly reduce the risk of injury which as you probably know, you learn at an early stage in to-shin do. proper communication/explanation and control between student/teacher/participants is vital to reduce the risk of injury

  • well in the 7 yrs i was in the dojo we only had 1 injury which was a dislocated finger. So we were pretty safe.

  • nice stuff, what are the names of the tracks you've used? nice training music!

  • Check out the Description for all the songs.

  • oops please don't slate me for the typing error - sorry.

  • I have studied To shin Do under an instructor for a good few months now and love it. Common sense techniques - not a great deal of strength needed, and the knowledge that should the need arise, there is least have a fighting chance against an attacker, and the knowledge I can buy a bit of time to escape ...not bad for a small rather unfit female. I would recommend to anyone.

  • Glad you found use of the art in your own lifestyle.

  • This is beastly. I really want to learn this fighting style, but unfortuneatly there are no training centers in my town for this.

  • On the to-shin do website there is a "schools" page that shows where they are, if there are none near you, look up the Bujinkan, but their style is quite different from ours so I can't really tell you much about it other than my own experiences.

  • lol this is in a soundtrack in a game i once played. it was called tenshin i think

  • Yeah its from Tenchu. The songs are in the description.

  • Great vid.

  • Thanks very much.

  • I like the shoes they wear

  • LOL. I UNDERSTAND

  • you seem to know what your doing you just need a realistic uke to train with. he gives you his arm.

  • LOL I am one of the Uke in the vid, and I'm sorry if it looks staged, but that's all this vid is, like the others it's just showing techniques like drills, not like how we practise for actual fights.

  • I'm glad that you posted this video response. the tore in this video shows really good movement and contol. hopefully this will shed more light on the art.

  • Great stuff..

  • lets hope that he does not use his knife fighting skills in a real street fight situation

    why in the earth knife attacker allow to attack with his hand that holds his knife, when his unsure that he hits and theres more risk of him of losing his weapon??

    too much of hollywood films maybe?

  • How many knife fights have you been in? I have actually been in one in real life, and believe me, these techniques WORK. If it weren't for them I'd probably be dead.

  • Most attackers lead with the blade. Its a common problem with almost every untrained human. You pick up a weapon and you become fixated on it. Suddenly you forget that you can kick, bite, punch, etc. You forget that the weapon has multiple parts and multiple ranges. When you drop it you'll istinctively go for it. Most people who attempt to use a blade can't name any vital targets other than throat and heart.

  • You just basically described the whole point of Ninpo right there! While they are fixated on the weapon we're punching them with the other hand, as you'll notice watching Mr. Hesketh he uses many other techniques other than the knife, and many vital points such as the underarms and backs of the knees, also I think many people here such as allgXXd are finding it hard to differenciate between the knife and kubotan.

  • Around the 2 min. mark in my blade defense video I show how you can temporarily forget about their weapon while you blast in with strikes and then take control of the weapon. A trained person can use a blade from about any angle or position, but with a trained knife fighter you're not going to know there's a blade until you feel it.

  • Look up Mr Hayes' To-Shin Do knife instruction DVDs, I'm sure there are many similarities.

  • thats the music from TENCHU

  • If you'd read the description or the comments below, you would already know that I know what music I'm using.

  • WOW! Attitude not needed.

  • Looks great. Keep it up, I love seeing what you guys are doing over there.

  • Thanks, we hope to have some more vids done soon.

  • I learned more in this one video than than in months at some Dojos. Thank you so much for posting this video.

  • WOW! Glad to be a help! Keep training and you'll keep improving :)

  • Once again, great demonstration of natural taijutsu w/ and w/o bugu! I aspire to such skill in the future. Great job!

    To-Shin!

    -Scott T. Ealey

    To-Shin Do Brown-White

  • BTW, is this Tenchu Music? I LOVE those games. They're down to earth...kinda', and develop mental strategy...or at least that's my excuse for wasting valuable time playing them.

  • Yeah, check out the description for the songs, and I agree with you, Tenchu Wrath of Heaven is an awesome game.

  • Thanks for the kind words.

  • What a great video!

  • Thank you.

  • nice :) ... btw this is ant :)

  • Glad you like it.

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