If people were like that Socialism would indeed work, wouldn't it?
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I agree with her. An excessively liberal welfare system encourages laziness and irresponsible behaviour.
But where I don't agree with Conservative philosophy is their reluctance to contribute to creating a level playing field for everybody, including for e.g., a child born into a poor family. Left to the Conservatives, the standard of living of the poor will worsen. I would not want to live in such an unequal and unfair society.
@Narayanan5 The only way you can truly have equality of opportunity for a child in a poor family is to make sure the family is equal to everyone else. That means a redistribution of wealth and is akin to the excessive liberal welfare system you claim to be at odds with.
@ROlshansky1 Making all families (or people) equal is neither desirable nor feasible. But, I think, we can try and ensure that even a child born in a poor family can have basic health care, have a roof over their head, attend a good school, have access to some recreational opportunities, etc. You cannot equalise all the factors and make it a perfect world, but we can at least give the child a reasonable chance.
@Narayanan5 I certainly agree with you that all people should have a right to: food, housing, and health care. I think all people should have a free schooling until they're old enough to pay for it (ie, 18). Although I'm not sure about recreational activities, that seems very general and can lead down a slippery slope.
I consider myself a compassionate conservative, and balancing welfare with self-reliance is an issue I'm sure most politically minded people battle with everyday.
She never did answer the question-what do you do with someone who is not equipped to work in the new economy or service.There are always those on the fringe who were able to do manual labour in factories and mines.The unemployed fisherman in Nfl isn't going to start selling cars and opening doors for people. So much has been lost for those who were always able to earn a living without graduating from HS-some people just aren't geared to school-what of them? Frum was asking but she didn't answer.
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Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, politically responsible for neoliberalist policies of the International Monetary Fund. Responsible for suffering and death of up to 100 000 000 people, primarily in Africa because of „structural adjustment“ (privatization etc.).
Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, politically responsible for neoliberalist policies of the International Monetary Fund. Responsible for suffering and death of up to 100 000 000 people, primarily in Africa because of „structural adjustment“ (privatization etc.).
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what a sad pathetic strange little man you are, someone who admires her that much, look at her like some sick perv watching children on the net as you will but I aren't changing my opinion on her and I will never vote for the tories
You mean someone admires her for standing up to the Unions that bought a country and it's economy to it's knees.
A country where Unions told men and women whether they could work or not.
A leader that met the unions head on, Unions that destroyed British companies & jobs with strikes causing blackouts, rubbish piling high in the streets, and the dead not being buried.
Conservative are hypocrites and snobs, I know them very well. I don't know outside London but here in London there are places where they are allowed to go only. I will never ever vote for Tories. The kind of change Cameron wants to bring is like Obama's change of which we don't hear anything now. Labour is gaining support once again. Check today's news.
Far from the truth, conservatives are brutally honest to a fault. They recognize the realities of life e.g power, weakness, struggle, egoism while the liberals are dreaming of lovey dovey utopias.
@MrPaulanthony2007 Ya and liberals are so good.There so generous when it come to donations.They are so compassionate with everybody except everybody that wouldn`t do what what they are preached to do.What a joke !
@Max74347 LOL I would love to see lady thatcher run the USA, you can have her LOL what she did in the 80's was terrible and she brought the UK to its knees only helping themselves and their rich chums
In short, Thatcher is saying tax cuts for the rich and the markets will fix everything. Deregulation will be great. Hey isn't that what got us in this mess in the 21st century?
This is the difference between the indigenous & economic migrants.
The indigenous in Britain have forgotten or simply never knew that EVERYONE IN THE UK IS BORN INTO PRIVILEDGE - if they know ANYTHING about the world we live in they would KNOW THIS.
Migrants turn up HUNGRY knowing it's DOWN TO THEM.
That is why ALL great nations BENEFIT from the attitudes of Immigrants to EDUCATION, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, THE SYSTEM, HARD GRAFT, HUMILITY, ENHANCEMENT OF THE HOST CULTURE
I.e a nation is improved by supplanting itself by other nations, specifically by people from inferior nations - which of course is the reason for their migration in the first place.
@b1ueocean Interesting idea. You're right for some, but your statement doesn't cover the majority, who come here to scrounge off state benefits and NHS. There is a brain drain in the UK, due in part to recession (thanks to Hilary Clinton), and absurd taxes (thanks to Gordon Brown). I know a number of people who have left the UK to reduce their taxes, and this has a double hit on the UK, by 1 - reduced/no taxes, 2 - skilled resource not in the UK.
Fun idea; we could even raise taxes to 100% and move to a communist state, make emigration illegal (fairer society?). I hardly have any money, not working, not claiming benefits - If there's high earners out there, great, good for them, I don't want any of their money. I believe in social and economic freedom.
"It's a sad but true fact that when socialists get into power, they don't just create hell on earth for themselves, but for everyone around them too." - Aubern Waugh
On your quote: Of course! What made you think that Socialism (or Communism for that matter) means that the leaders are supposed to suffer like the common man?! How do you REWARD these Great Minds for their Brilliant Ideas, huh?!
School milk, poll tax, miners strike, VAT and lets not forget who introduced a system that would allow the expences scandal. Oh yes she was the worst of the evil to run this country and hated to this very day by most of us.
@escortmk112 No. Hated to this very day by people who think the way you do. I'd argue more people in this country are pro to ambivalent about her. And if your issue with her is raising VAT, one suggests looking to the Left's tax plans, all of which would rise significantly higher.
I note you forgot about miners ect. VAT was introduced by the tory its an unfair tax just like most things about a tory. Lets not forget Thatcher was the one that made it all posible for the expences scandal . She was and still is an evil arrogant detestable bitch.
Quite frankly, I think the UK had forgot about miners by that time too.
Mining was, sadly, I feel, a dead trade by the time Thatcher came to power. And the Left insists today that we must be weened from fossil fuels.
VAT was introduced by the Tories. But Thatcher didn't create this tax, neither did Heath.
And lastly, sir, watch the video. The key phrase - Personal Responsibility. Thatcher isn't the one who made the expenses scandal possible. No one forced these scoundrels to buy HD-TVs.
Go to wales ect where the mineing communities will never forget her and the Tory party. Mineing was not and is not yet a dead trade we were glad of it a few weeks ago to help out the gas or oil that let us down. I agree no one forced the greed but it was put in place hopeing the rest of us would not catch on when MPs were i believe asked to have some sort of wage freeze.
@escortmk112 Yes, but to hold Thatcher solely responsible for the expenses scandal is simply naive and if that's as far as your argument stretches, I suggest you get back to the Student Union.
You simply cannot point to Wales as a template for the whole of Britain. Otherwise I'd say 'Everyone loves Thatcher. Just ask Tebbit.' You're building a straw man argument, we both know that by 1979 the unions had deadlocked the country and electricity was far cheaper and efficient. Fact.
As far as expenses she was a dictator and only a fool would not say she new all about it and had the final say. Wales , well ok all the rest of the mineing in this country. Unions i fully agree with what you say but with out them every working man would be far worse off
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What an evil piece of work she was?
She isn't having a state funeral out of MY pocket. The bitch can have a cheap cremation. She drove the economy, job market and country into the ground, repeatedly, at speed.
err she did? 1970s IMF cap in hand labor inflation at 27% ? subsidized industry that was unsustainable, and would have failed anyway whoever was PM? cheaper competition from abroad out pricing our manufacturing base? gee yeah she drove it into the ground at speed(!) MT is the reason you are staring at a computer screen right now and don't even try argue against that. leftie loons are not happy until the poor are poorer because then it gives them something to moan about. use your brain.
I agree mostly - however, the only reason these mudscum lefty 6th-formers are looking at a computer screen because of the generous benefits system created by 'nuuuu-layabouts' that favours cunts like themselves.
Thatcher only understood one portion of a critical whole.
YES, of course there must be a level of personal responsibility: but in the late 70s and early 80s it had only just barely become a concern and was rectified. Her words and arguments in the end resulted in an overcompensation.
After all, while her model is intelligent, it's built on a number of assumptions.
She has very nice cheek bones. Her face is very well proportioned. She does possess a classical beauty, with a long, narrow face and high cheekbones.
However, the most beautiful political lady is Mrs Carla Bruni Sarkozy. There is something about French + Italian women that makes my knees tremble. Women like Bruni, Monica Belluci and especially Sophie Marceau are stunning.
Sorry 2 dissapoint u, but Carla Bruni Sarkozy doesn´t EVEN stay in the shadow of Mrs.Thatcher - with her either sex appeal or talent to B a political leader! Take just Carla´s small, not impressive eyes - br-r-r-r-r!...
Oh no... oh no no no... I shall not hea this. Unfortunately, she has declared herself a leftie, but you cannot deny her smouldering sexiness. She is delicious... scrumptious... edible. I love Carla
I'm so sorry!.. But...e-hm..well, how shall I say it... She - Carla - is definitely not some1 I would B ever turned on. No way! While that's absolutely true with Thatcher. That's why!..
Give me Rita Hayworth and Audrey Hepburn over Jennifer Aniston and Sara Jessica Parker anyday. Hayworth and her generation didn't need tonnes of make-up, they were natural beauties. All of these modern Hollywood women seem to be perpetually dieting. If they wish to shed a few pounds, all they have to do is have a wash.
Right...because every small business that starts up succeeds...and the small businesses that survive will be plentiful enough to employ everyone who lost a job in the recession.
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who gives a fuck wot thatcther thinks or say's , shes an evil minded bigoted bitch, she doesnt know the meaning of fair , its all about money, i hope the ira kill her or her kids, i fucking hate her, carol & her twat son, they are the terrorists,greedy bigoted pigs, you fukkin old whore thatcher ,
I wish we had politicians who spoke like this now, the Conservative are a shadow of their former selves. When are they going to get rid of Cameron and Hannan in charge?
I have been unemployed and done whatever it took to get a job. I lost a management job and went out the next week washing cars at an import & distribution compound. Jobs are there, but in nany cases it is what a person is prepared to accept that stops them from getting one.
That there is no shame is settling for a job that an individual believes is below them and their level of skill. An act of that, is not only worthy of pride, but worthy of the upmost respect of their peers.
But that it is shameful for an individual to stay unemployed due to the arrogant self-centredness, of said individual, to believe that an available position of work is beneath them. Not only is an act of this deserving of shame, but also deserving of a total lack of respect from their peers.
> I don't have a job. I could do many. I want one.
> What would Thatcher say ... ?
The question is not what Thatcher says or thinks. The question is what PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYERS think--or say when you apply for a job and tell them that you are worth the cost.
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She said this nearly 30 years ago and unemployment is still pretty much at the same rates now as it was then. She created a society of selfish fucks and look where it's got us. I'm not against wealth creation but ffs, not everyone wants to be an entrepreneur, not everyone wants to get involved with selling useless shit to people.
Just pay people a decent wage and provide a decent safety net if they can't get a job, not that hard is it?
An employee should only be monetarily rewarded (earn a certain wage) based on their results.
Not for their intentions. Not for their potential. Not for their abilities and skills. Not for their work ethic. But for their RESULTS!
If one is only ever capable of mediocre results (even though they possess an exceptional work ethic), then they are only ever deserved of mediocre rewards.
As blunt as it is, it is the only rational, fair, and equitable way to employ a person.
@wildboy789789 Marx essentially claimed Socialism is the bridge to Communism. So I'd hardly advocate this as a sensible route given the inevitable conclusion. I also believe you've confused capitalism with corporatism. Corporatism has, of course, hijacked socialism in the modern age. You'd can sell more to more if everyone's equal...
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Before all you deluded Thatcher voters give me the thumbs down aske who was it that created yet another sneeky back door way of fiddling for her own kind with the expences row that we are still paying for to this very day. POLL TAX MINERS STRIKE, SCHOOL MILK , it just goes on and on
listen to you bozos from britain complaining about SCHOOL MILK. no wonder your country is in the toilet... hope you like your current government. Germany and France have already surpassed you.
YES thats right i for one have not forgot what my fathers generation fought for only to see it stolen back by lieing cheating people like thatcher. Germany and France owe a great deal to this country but like you have a short memory and no brain
thatcher was right. look where having a society addicted to suckling the teet of gov't has led. when I hear someone complaining about a loss of SCHOOL MILK they lose all credibility with me. are parents in britain so lazy and incapable of buying their own damn milk? today britain is full of unemployed slouches who depend on gov't handouts. their country is overrun by immigrants with no regard for western tradition, and the effete british men roll over in the fact of politically correct demands.
Anyone who says Thatcher was right has little credibilty in my book . Not sure which selfish place you come from but by the sounds of it it may well be a place where some of these immigrants run from . Ore political corectness is being stufft down our throats from abroad as is 75% of our laws
I'm from the United States, that little country founded by mostly British immigrants. Anyway, we want to see Britian right its course. We love Britain here, and we hate to see what's happening with its ungrateful Muslim immigrants and the explosion of socialist welfare programs.
Well that explains a little you comming from the USA. Let me tell you that there are many Brits who do not feel the same as you and your war makeing country. You want to see Britian right ,then carry on pokeing your greedy snouts in other countries and keep out of ours
Sorry the working class or ponces? Why should people support those who get pregnant at 14 and live the waynetta lifestyle. This country will be better off without bloody stupid do-gooders wasting what isn't theirs!
Be careful of what you say on that subject, there were definately good aspects to Maggie , defending the Falklands and perhaps restoring some pride in the nation, but she started the mass privitisation of our economy which has culminated in the problem we are having now , she created mass unemployment , treated the miners dreadfully and also acted as if Britain was still an empire (which it wasnt)
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Guess what Maggie?
YOU WERE WRONG.
The people you made unemployed are still unemployed today. You created what the Tories now decry as "Broken Britain". Cheers.
Oh, and your deregulation and obsession with making this country entirely reliant on financial services has caused the banking system to collapse and yet another recession. Thanks a lot.
Absolute;y right. The Thatcher government created a dangerously unbalanced economy. Ted Heath got it right when he said about the Thatcher government's focus on services 'It's all very well taking in other people's washing, but what happens when your washing machine breaks?' The long term unemployment of that era was absolute social poison. It turned working people into long term dependants on the state.
I don't think we need to pay the ramblings of Ted Heath much attention - he was, after all, plainly bitter that he had lost the political argument within the Conservative Party and quite frankly, he was an out of touch snob that didn't like the fact he had been soundly defeated by a grocer's daughter.
I wouldn't deny the problem of unemployment, but to suggest that in the 80's the future of our economy HAD to be based on modern businesses (i.e. services) is insane. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.
hugoegbert79-YOU ARE EITHER UNEDUCATED OR VERY YOUNG. GOVERNMENT FIGURES FOR 1979 RELEASED 2008. VIEW THEM AND EDUCATE YOURSELF. UNEMPLOYEMENT BY RISING BY 12 % PER MONTH WHEN SHE CAME TO POWER. NO ONE IN MANUFACTURING WAS TAKING HOME FULL PAY. THE MINERS WERE CONSTANTLY PLUNGING US INTO DARKNESS(WINTER OF DISCONTENT). AS FOR THE BANKS, GORDON BROWN GAVE THE BANKS THE POWER TO CONTROL INTEREST RATES IN 1997 WHICH WAS ALSO THE YEAR YOU COULD GET 3.5 x YOUR SALARY FOR A MORTGAGE. 2008 WAS 6 TIMES.
It does matter - because the mass unemployment caused by her policies was unnecessarily high (a lot of good businesses were forced out of business too), and it left social scars that we are still dealing with today. Instead of making people independent and setting them free from the state, her policies made an unprecedented number of people completely dependent on the state.
@zephyruk The unemployment was necessary the productive part of the economy(private sector) was not productive enough to support the public sector. And the dept being accumulated paying the public sector was posing a risk of bringing down the entire economy. So she took some short term pain for long term prosperity which turned out to be a good move. And despite what people think unemployment right now is higher than under Thatcher, we just measure it differently now.
That's only a small part of the story. The fact was that a high number of perfectly efficient and profitable companies were also forced out of business in the early 80s because of the Thatcher government's 'sledgehammer' experiment with Monetarism. Even Friedman said they'd got it wrong. What evidence are you using to say that unemployment is higher now than then? It's a bit rich talking about measurement methods too, as the Thatcher government changed it to mask the true statistics.
British rail privatised still running, BP OIL 3rd biggest oil company. British coal now UK coal. British leylands went bust 2005.British telecom, British airways. Which companys are you talking about? Monetarism was necessary to lower inflation and protect peoples standard of living. What article or video did Friedman say monetarism doesn't work? If he did he was wrong. I might be wrong on unemployment US changed there system from how they measured unemployment in the 80s, that is a fact.
Some Irish are such hypocrites. They bemoan Thatcher, but Ireland has been following essentially Thatcherite policies, and to a greater extent than the UK, from the 1980s.
Thatcherite policies have transformed Ireland from a poor backwater to the prosperous, business-oriented country it is today.
I am proud that Thatcher stood up to terrorists like the IRA. I wish all the terrorists went on hunger strikes until they were no more.
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the strikers never said to let them live. it was the people in ireland who wanted them to stop. i heard that 1 striker gave up and wanted to eat half way trew. but was denide food. she was good in polical thing but was a mean person. i dont like the ira. they kill the wrong people. why do u think ireland wanted out of britian. it was not because we wanted to govern ourselves we were tired of the neglect we got and how catholics lost the rights
Before Thatcher the UK was going to hell in a hand basket: endless strikes, blackouts and brownouts, rubbish goods and services. Thatcher turned everything around. People can't imagine what the UK would have been like without her--more East German that East Germany.
What a women! Compare her and Tories years in office with the years under Labour which Britain has suffered. Labour always f*ck up Britain and Tory cleans up the mess left behind. Vote for responsible policies - vote for Tory!
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The states job is to take care of its citizenry because its citizenry through its will to take responsibility pays the tax to the collective purse so that the whole can be well.
Each individual has the right to live his life for his own happiness, as an end to himself. Collectivism (in all its forms) holds that man is not an end to himself, but is only a tool to serve the ends of others.
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"...everyone says it's My job to do My best..."
If people were like that Socialism would indeed work, wouldn't it?
Socialism and Capitalism would both keep the majority of a society's individuals content if it weren't for the cheaters. The cheating is nauseating. Be it cheating on a job in a state run factory or cheating in the monetary system to save the losing wager of a greedy investment banker.
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samostas 2 weeks ago
Watching this in 2011 makes a lot of sense. No jobs. I love Margaret Thatcher!
MrGuess28 3 weeks ago
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She was right, the economy did recover after the 1982 recession. New products were developped ipods, computers, cells etc..
jockottawa 2 months ago
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Winston2004 6 months ago
I agree with her. An excessively liberal welfare system encourages laziness and irresponsible behaviour.
But where I don't agree with Conservative philosophy is their reluctance to contribute to creating a level playing field for everybody, including for e.g., a child born into a poor family. Left to the Conservatives, the standard of living of the poor will worsen. I would not want to live in such an unequal and unfair society.
Narayanan5 9 months ago 2
@Narayanan5 The only way you can truly have equality of opportunity for a child in a poor family is to make sure the family is equal to everyone else. That means a redistribution of wealth and is akin to the excessive liberal welfare system you claim to be at odds with.
ROlshansky1 3 months ago
@ROlshansky1 Making all families (or people) equal is neither desirable nor feasible. But, I think, we can try and ensure that even a child born in a poor family can have basic health care, have a roof over their head, attend a good school, have access to some recreational opportunities, etc. You cannot equalise all the factors and make it a perfect world, but we can at least give the child a reasonable chance.
Narayanan5 3 months ago
@Narayanan5 I certainly agree with you that all people should have a right to: food, housing, and health care. I think all people should have a free schooling until they're old enough to pay for it (ie, 18). Although I'm not sure about recreational activities, that seems very general and can lead down a slippery slope.
I consider myself a compassionate conservative, and balancing welfare with self-reliance is an issue I'm sure most politically minded people battle with everyday.
ROlshansky1 3 months ago
She never did answer the question-what do you do with someone who is not equipped to work in the new economy or service.There are always those on the fringe who were able to do manual labour in factories and mines.The unemployed fisherman in Nfl isn't going to start selling cars and opening doors for people. So much has been lost for those who were always able to earn a living without graduating from HS-some people just aren't geared to school-what of them? Frum was asking but she didn't answer.
1867TrueNorth 1 year ago
She was right the economy did recover after 1983 and new products were developped ipods, computers, cells etc..
jockottawa 1 year ago
business = stealing
alien3445 1 year ago
@alien3445 Stunning analysis.
Let me posit another:
welfare=stealing
gelishot 10 months ago 2
@alien3445
So when i go to my grocery store and voluntarily exchange my money for food (because who wants bits of paper?) they are stealing from me?
Yet when the tax man comes around with his guns and sticks and takes 1/3 of my income, thats not stealing?
only a liberal...
Equity213 3 months ago
Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, politically responsible for neoliberalist policies of the International Monetary Fund. Responsible for suffering and death of up to 100 000 000 people, primarily in Africa because of „structural adjustment“ (privatization etc.).
romeas100 1 year ago
@romeas100 good and who cares !
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romeas100 1 year ago
oh god I love her.. a truly intelligent person
manwithemeraldeyes 1 year ago
Still live old
bitch.
I hope you rot in hell
fortinero45 1 year ago
yes she's still alive, and guess what? shes not rotting in hell, she lives a a big cushy mansion worth millions. bet u dont! hahaha! now fuck off.
tramtrackharry 1 year ago
He lives very comfortable thanks to stupid as you.
Must be great with the punishment that God gave him
fortinero45 1 year ago
shes right about people working for themselves and the state,
you work - and get back out of the state what you put in it
of course thats idealism, but none the less its true,
good deeds erase bad deeds
Galacticmaster 1 year ago 2
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what a sad pathetic strange little man you are, someone who admires her that much, look at her like some sick perv watching children on the net as you will but I aren't changing my opinion on her and I will never vote for the tories
kieranmay 1 year ago
You mean someone admires her for standing up to the Unions that bought a country and it's economy to it's knees.
A country where Unions told men and women whether they could work or not.
A leader that met the unions head on, Unions that destroyed British companies & jobs with strikes causing blackouts, rubbish piling high in the streets, and the dead not being buried.
markyboy1704 1 year ago 4
Conservative are hypocrites and snobs, I know them very well. I don't know outside London but here in London there are places where they are allowed to go only. I will never ever vote for Tories. The kind of change Cameron wants to bring is like Obama's change of which we don't hear anything now. Labour is gaining support once again. Check today's news.
MrPaulanthony2007 1 year ago
Far from the truth, conservatives are brutally honest to a fault. They recognize the realities of life e.g power, weakness, struggle, egoism while the liberals are dreaming of lovey dovey utopias.
cherylwens 1 year ago 4
It won't last.
FrankClanton 1 year ago
Nor will you!! LOL
The end is nigh!! WANKER!!
Say hello to PeterFirthFan!! LOL
usuIkane 1 year ago
@MrPaulanthony2007 Ya and liberals are so good.There so generous when it come to donations.They are so compassionate with everybody except everybody that wouldn`t do what what they are preached to do.What a joke !
openedup09 1 year ago
Where have you gone, Lady Thatcher? We need you now more than ever! Ronaldus Magnus is gone, as is Pope John Paul. You are our only hope!
Max74347 1 year ago 3
@Max74347 LOL I would love to see lady thatcher run the USA, you can have her LOL what she did in the 80's was terrible and she brought the UK to its knees only helping themselves and their rich chums
kieranmay 1 year ago
she has a head like a blue waffle google it
pekerdalton 1 year ago
She's utterly magnetic. Repulsive views, but magnetic.
Zarathustra06 1 year ago
@Zarathustra06
Repulsive how?
charlesmar 1 year ago
How dare she suggest that I have to earn my own money?
njd2389 1 year ago 2
@njd2389
As Margaret Thatcher says, you most likely fear freedom.
charlesmar 1 year ago
After a quarter of a century of such "freedom"-mongering by these people ... look where we are!---never LESS free, because never poorer.
craigenputtock 1 year ago
The most incredible woman, who as Andrew Marr's documentary explained (reasonably well), built up the Britain we live in today.
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LARRSON77 2 years ago
Shes making sense.... and its works... In theory.
BondBauerBourneTheDr 2 years ago
In short, Thatcher is saying tax cuts for the rich and the markets will fix everything. Deregulation will be great. Hey isn't that what got us in this mess in the 21st century?
omars1982 2 years ago
Yes it is... = /. Free market isn't as brilliant as I fort tbh.
People need rules. Because they simply can't be trusted. Deregulation was and IS a big mistake that the western World made.
BondBauerBourneTheDr 2 years ago
How's being an welfare bunny working out for you?.............
Fucking selfish collectivist!.
CapitalExchange 2 years ago
As every politician is lying speculator, and with foundations that do not exist, the basis of their dialect is the lie.
MeTaLiZoPo 2 years ago
Its MY JOB to do MY BEST.
This is the difference between the indigenous & economic migrants.
The indigenous in Britain have forgotten or simply never knew that EVERYONE IN THE UK IS BORN INTO PRIVILEDGE - if they know ANYTHING about the world we live in they would KNOW THIS.
Migrants turn up HUNGRY knowing it's DOWN TO THEM.
That is why ALL great nations BENEFIT from the attitudes of Immigrants to EDUCATION, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, THE SYSTEM, HARD GRAFT, HUMILITY, ENHANCEMENT OF THE HOST CULTURE
b1ueocean 2 years ago
I.e a nation is improved by supplanting itself by other nations, specifically by people from inferior nations - which of course is the reason for their migration in the first place.
tothemax01 2 years ago
@b1ueocean Interesting idea. You're right for some, but your statement doesn't cover the majority, who come here to scrounge off state benefits and NHS. There is a brain drain in the UK, due in part to recession (thanks to Hilary Clinton), and absurd taxes (thanks to Gordon Brown). I know a number of people who have left the UK to reduce their taxes, and this has a double hit on the UK, by 1 - reduced/no taxes, 2 - skilled resource not in the UK.
charlesmar 1 year ago
CHARLESMAR
> people who have left the UK to reduce their taxes
But haven't you learned from Labour and the LibDems
1that those people are "tax cheats"
2 that those people are our "enemies"
--should those Brits who remain be glad to be rid of them? shouldn't everyone focus on gouging the other high-earners who remain?
Squeeze 'em dry! Make 'em pay for all the public spending dreamed up by Labour and the LibDems! Taxpayers are "the enemy"!
gagothesith 1 year ago
@gagothesith
Fun idea; we could even raise taxes to 100% and move to a communist state, make emigration illegal (fairer society?). I hardly have any money, not working, not claiming benefits - If there's high earners out there, great, good for them, I don't want any of their money. I believe in social and economic freedom.
"It's a sad but true fact that when socialists get into power, they don't just create hell on earth for themselves, but for everyone around them too." - Aubern Waugh
charlesmar 1 year ago
On your quote: Of course! What made you think that Socialism (or Communism for that matter) means that the leaders are supposed to suffer like the common man?! How do you REWARD these Great Minds for their Brilliant Ideas, huh?!
gagothesith 1 year ago
This woman is a genious. Wish we had politicians like that nowadays.
MatteNoob 2 years ago 6
We do have a couple, youtube 'Yaron Brook'.
tothemax01 2 years ago
Yes, but Yaron doesn't have the same political influence as Tatcher had.
I do follow Brook and the Ayn Rand institute though. :)
MatteNoob 2 years ago
pure Simon, if you ask me!
eriqkk 2 years ago
wolf in a sheepsclothing...
but capitalism needed thatcher and that`s why she was the queen of a decade.
But Tony Blair and the rest of the left wasn`t a dime better.......The sellout only began with the iron lady.
NobodyYou1 2 years ago
She was a horrible bastard
freddy77777 2 years ago
Oh how I miss her and Ronnie. Reagan must be spinning in his grave right now.
kjdinoc 2 years ago 2
she destroyed ireland
15oprey 2 years ago
Ireland has been destroyed many times over. To say she destroyed it is pure hyperbole aka crap.
scout6686 2 years ago 5
Long live the free market!
brian8793 2 years ago 5
School milk, poll tax, miners strike, VAT and lets not forget who introduced a system that would allow the expences scandal. Oh yes she was the worst of the evil to run this country and hated to this very day by most of us.
escortmk112 2 years ago
@escortmk112 No. Hated to this very day by people who think the way you do. I'd argue more people in this country are pro to ambivalent about her. And if your issue with her is raising VAT, one suggests looking to the Left's tax plans, all of which would rise significantly higher.
stevewithak 2 years ago
I note you forgot about miners ect. VAT was introduced by the tory its an unfair tax just like most things about a tory. Lets not forget Thatcher was the one that made it all posible for the expences scandal . She was and still is an evil arrogant detestable bitch.
escortmk112 2 years ago
Quite frankly, I think the UK had forgot about miners by that time too.
Mining was, sadly, I feel, a dead trade by the time Thatcher came to power. And the Left insists today that we must be weened from fossil fuels.
VAT was introduced by the Tories. But Thatcher didn't create this tax, neither did Heath.
And lastly, sir, watch the video. The key phrase - Personal Responsibility. Thatcher isn't the one who made the expenses scandal possible. No one forced these scoundrels to buy HD-TVs.
stevewithak 2 years ago
Go to wales ect where the mineing communities will never forget her and the Tory party. Mineing was not and is not yet a dead trade we were glad of it a few weeks ago to help out the gas or oil that let us down. I agree no one forced the greed but it was put in place hopeing the rest of us would not catch on when MPs were i believe asked to have some sort of wage freeze.
escortmk112 2 years ago 2
@escortmk112 Yes, but to hold Thatcher solely responsible for the expenses scandal is simply naive and if that's as far as your argument stretches, I suggest you get back to the Student Union.
You simply cannot point to Wales as a template for the whole of Britain. Otherwise I'd say 'Everyone loves Thatcher. Just ask Tebbit.' You're building a straw man argument, we both know that by 1979 the unions had deadlocked the country and electricity was far cheaper and efficient. Fact.
stevewithak 2 years ago
As far as expenses she was a dictator and only a fool would not say she new all about it and had the final say. Wales , well ok all the rest of the mineing in this country. Unions i fully agree with what you say but with out them every working man would be far worse off
escortmk112 2 years ago
Greatest woman Politician who ever lived
PuertoPoland 2 years ago 4
absolutely beautifully eloquent response here... wow
timo6170 2 years ago
Shocking!
TheWisemonkey8 2 years ago
The point is that The Iron Lady satisfies all classic Hollywood standards. That's it!
Hollandia777 2 years ago
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What an evil piece of work she was?
She isn't having a state funeral out of MY pocket. The bitch can have a cheap cremation. She drove the economy, job market and country into the ground, repeatedly, at speed.
HURRY UP AND DIE YOU WICKED BITCH!
89murph 2 years ago
err she did? 1970s IMF cap in hand labor inflation at 27% ? subsidized industry that was unsustainable, and would have failed anyway whoever was PM? cheaper competition from abroad out pricing our manufacturing base? gee yeah she drove it into the ground at speed(!) MT is the reason you are staring at a computer screen right now and don't even try argue against that. leftie loons are not happy until the poor are poorer because then it gives them something to moan about. use your brain.
beastinblack 2 years ago
I agree mostly - however, the only reason these mudscum lefty 6th-formers are looking at a computer screen because of the generous benefits system created by 'nuuuu-layabouts' that favours cunts like themselves.
NorseJohn 2 years ago 2
89MURPH:
> She isn't having a state funeral out of MY pocket.
What makes you think that you and your kind pay more taxes than you take out of the public purse.
Get real.
gagothesith 2 years ago 9
@gagothesith: Could you elaborate on that?
And if you're asking a question, ideally you put a question mark on the end.
89murph 2 years ago
You didn't notice that it was a rhetorical question?
gagothesith 2 years ago 2
@gagothesith: Could you clarify what you meant by "my kind"?
89murph 2 years ago
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The Americans who "love her" obviously don't know what she did to our country.
89murph 2 years ago
Ditto to you Obama adoring Brits.
tyburnstree 2 years ago
89murph I assume that you are a milk lover lol
beastinblack 2 years ago
Could not agree more
escortmk112 2 years ago
Thatcher only understood one portion of a critical whole.
YES, of course there must be a level of personal responsibility: but in the late 70s and early 80s it had only just barely become a concern and was rectified. Her words and arguments in the end resulted in an overcompensation.
After all, while her model is intelligent, it's built on a number of assumptions.
Nilan88 2 years ago
It's a shame her wise vision of personal responsability died the day she resigned.
Now we look to the State to do everything for us, and we lose our dignity, independence and freedom as a consequence.
The Nanny State becomes stronger every time we ask the Government to do something we could do ourselves as individuals.
aeronuk1 2 years ago 4
But Gordon and the Labour Party know best--they always know what is best for us!
gagothesith 2 years ago 2
She's beautiful isn't she?
andydidyouhear 2 years ago 2
My god she really is.
hughieadams 2 years ago
She has very nice cheek bones. Her face is very well proportioned. She does possess a classical beauty, with a long, narrow face and high cheekbones.
However, the most beautiful political lady is Mrs Carla Bruni Sarkozy. There is something about French + Italian women that makes my knees tremble. Women like Bruni, Monica Belluci and especially Sophie Marceau are stunning.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Sorry 2 dissapoint u, but Carla Bruni Sarkozy doesn´t EVEN stay in the shadow of Mrs.Thatcher - with her either sex appeal or talent to B a political leader! Take just Carla´s small, not impressive eyes - br-r-r-r-r!...
Hollandia777 2 years ago
Oh no... oh no no no... I shall not hea this. Unfortunately, she has declared herself a leftie, but you cannot deny her smouldering sexiness. She is delicious... scrumptious... edible. I love Carla
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I'm so sorry!.. But...e-hm..well, how shall I say it... She - Carla - is definitely not some1 I would B ever turned on. No way! While that's absolutely true with Thatcher. That's why!..
Hollandia777 2 years ago
Thatcher would have looked better with a rope round her neck for what she did for and left this country with
escortmk112 2 years ago
Is that the best you can do?
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I think that's good enough
escortmk112 2 years ago
Then you have very low standards.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Is that the very best you can do
escortmk112 2 years ago
No but when confronted with such stupidity I feel under no pressure to demonstrate my perspicacity and alacrity, even if I do descend into prolixity.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Give me Rita Hayworth and Audrey Hepburn over Jennifer Aniston and Sara Jessica Parker anyday. Hayworth and her generation didn't need tonnes of make-up, they were natural beauties. All of these modern Hollywood women seem to be perpetually dieting. If they wish to shed a few pounds, all they have to do is have a wash.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
YOUR SICK
escortmk112 2 years ago
what an actress, a queen of BS
notandywarhol 2 years ago
personel resposibility, why is her son walking the streets?
gerrybasildon 2 years ago 4
Love her!
skyking79d 2 years ago 9
This lady is the greatest example of womanhood the world has ever produced. Women should aspire to her greatness.
daviddoyle1978 2 years ago 7
Tiocfaidh ár lá
youraganster55 2 years ago
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The bitch is one of the original fuckers of the modern world.
heyley121 2 years ago
HELEY121
> one of the original fuckers
No, she is not.
Labour, LibDems and Utopian Socialists came way before Thatcher.
gagothesith 2 years ago 3
economics 101
shawnkun323 2 years ago
Right...because every small business that starts up succeeds...and the small businesses that survive will be plentiful enough to employ everyone who lost a job in the recession.
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toonuff 2 years ago
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She never said ALL small business. She said, and a I quote:
"Small businesses starting and growing to big" ........"How to you start up a business? By spotting a need, a gap, that hasn't been filled"
The main reasons small businesses fail are due to competition, mismanagement, and unions.
And what really kills small businesses are employees who don't understand that theyre not in a position to dictate.
toonuff 2 years ago
What!
Why was this marked as spam? I can only guess that it was 'reported' by someone who can't handle the truth.
toonuff 2 years ago 3
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who gives a fuck wot thatcther thinks or say's , shes an evil minded bigoted bitch, she doesnt know the meaning of fair , its all about money, i hope the ira kill her or her kids, i fucking hate her, carol & her twat son, they are the terrorists,greedy bigoted pigs, you fukkin old whore thatcher ,
honestlord 2 years ago
I wish we had politicians who spoke like this now, the Conservative are a shadow of their former selves. When are they going to get rid of Cameron and Hannan in charge?
Ermintrude75 2 years ago 3
I don't have a job.
I could do many.
I want one.
What would Thatcher say to someone in my circumstances?
inkstersco 2 years ago
Go find one then !
I have been unemployed and done whatever it took to get a job. I lost a management job and went out the next week washing cars at an import & distribution compound. Jobs are there, but in nany cases it is what a person is prepared to accept that stops them from getting one.
davehardinguk 2 years ago 6
@inkstersco
She might say:
That there is no shame is settling for a job that an individual believes is below them and their level of skill. An act of that, is not only worthy of pride, but worthy of the upmost respect of their peers.
toonuff 2 years ago 2
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But that it is shameful for an individual to stay unemployed due to the arrogant self-centredness, of said individual, to believe that an available position of work is beneath them. Not only is an act of this deserving of shame, but also deserving of a total lack of respect from their peers.
toonuff 2 years ago 2
She's probably advise you to go and get one.
tigerarmyrule 2 years ago 3
Find a job?
What do you want to do?
asumazilla 2 years ago
INKSTERSCO
> I don't have a job. I could do many. I want one.
> What would Thatcher say ... ?
The question is not what Thatcher says or thinks. The question is what PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYERS think--or say when you apply for a job and tell them that you are worth the cost.
gagothesith 2 years ago 2
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She said this nearly 30 years ago and unemployment is still pretty much at the same rates now as it was then. She created a society of selfish fucks and look where it's got us. I'm not against wealth creation but ffs, not everyone wants to be an entrepreneur, not everyone wants to get involved with selling useless shit to people.
Just pay people a decent wage and provide a decent safety net if they can't get a job, not that hard is it?
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
@ChunderChunk
An employee should only be monetarily rewarded (earn a certain wage) based on their results.
Not for their intentions. Not for their potential. Not for their abilities and skills. Not for their work ethic. But for their RESULTS!
If one is only ever capable of mediocre results (even though they possess an exceptional work ethic), then they are only ever deserved of mediocre rewards.
As blunt as it is, it is the only rational, fair, and equitable way to employ a person.
toonuff 2 years ago 2
Las Malvinas Argentinas
Agus777777 2 years ago
@Agus777777 The Falklands Britain
bromley1 2 years ago
bollocks
davehardinguk 2 years ago
Great contribution....you are a **!!****!
MrGordongecko2007 2 years ago
Nasty bitch she may have been.
But she was a cunning one.
YouKnowWhereThisEnds 2 years ago
why do we have government? so we have a basic set of laws enforced
why do we have democracy? so dictators cant alter the law to their needs instead of the peoples needs
why do we want socialism? so corporations cant bribe our elected officials
its all about putting the power in the hands of the people and not in one person
capitalism = corporate dictatorship
communism and fascism = militaristic dictatorships
socialism and democracy = how you should vote if you like voteing rights
wildboy789789 2 years ago
@wildboy789789 Marx essentially claimed Socialism is the bridge to Communism. So I'd hardly advocate this as a sensible route given the inevitable conclusion. I also believe you've confused capitalism with corporatism. Corporatism has, of course, hijacked socialism in the modern age. You'd can sell more to more if everyone's equal...
stevewithak 2 years ago
Thatchers ideas and intentions are ultimately good and sound,
yet it never was appiled and when appiled it failed
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
I love Maggie and her policies.
jfkman91 2 years ago
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worst thing was when that cow was elected best is yet to come. may she rot in hell for what she did for the working class
escortmk112 2 years ago
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Before all you deluded Thatcher voters give me the thumbs down aske who was it that created yet another sneeky back door way of fiddling for her own kind with the expences row that we are still paying for to this very day. POLL TAX MINERS STRIKE, SCHOOL MILK , it just goes on and on
escortmk112 2 years ago
listen to you bozos from britain complaining about SCHOOL MILK. no wonder your country is in the toilet... hope you like your current government. Germany and France have already surpassed you.
dlwke2 2 years ago
YES thats right i for one have not forgot what my fathers generation fought for only to see it stolen back by lieing cheating people like thatcher. Germany and France owe a great deal to this country but like you have a short memory and no brain
escortmk112 2 years ago
thatcher was right. look where having a society addicted to suckling the teet of gov't has led. when I hear someone complaining about a loss of SCHOOL MILK they lose all credibility with me. are parents in britain so lazy and incapable of buying their own damn milk? today britain is full of unemployed slouches who depend on gov't handouts. their country is overrun by immigrants with no regard for western tradition, and the effete british men roll over in the fact of politically correct demands.
dlwke2 2 years ago 8
Anyone who says Thatcher was right has little credibilty in my book . Not sure which selfish place you come from but by the sounds of it it may well be a place where some of these immigrants run from . Ore political corectness is being stufft down our throats from abroad as is 75% of our laws
escortmk112 2 years ago
I'm from the United States, that little country founded by mostly British immigrants. Anyway, we want to see Britian right its course. We love Britain here, and we hate to see what's happening with its ungrateful Muslim immigrants and the explosion of socialist welfare programs.
dlwke2 2 years ago 7
Well that explains a little you comming from the USA. Let me tell you that there are many Brits who do not feel the same as you and your war makeing country. You want to see Britian right ,then carry on pokeing your greedy snouts in other countries and keep out of ours
escortmk112 2 years ago
very true... nanny state subsidises ill-brained scum.
NorseJohn 2 years ago
Sorry the working class or ponces? Why should people support those who get pregnant at 14 and live the waynetta lifestyle. This country will be better off without bloody stupid do-gooders wasting what isn't theirs!
333222777888 2 years ago
Could not agree with you more
escortmk112 2 years ago
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That is quite an excellent three-minute definition and defense of capitalism! Right on Maggie!
TimMonahan 2 years ago 4
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TimMonahan 2 years ago
my politacal inspiration and nuke scienist
bootlehistory 2 years ago
steel jobs
2012bravenewworld 2 years ago
Be careful of what you say on that subject, there were definately good aspects to Maggie , defending the Falklands and perhaps restoring some pride in the nation, but she started the mass privitisation of our economy which has culminated in the problem we are having now , she created mass unemployment , treated the miners dreadfully and also acted as if Britain was still an empire (which it wasnt)
sailingforde04 2 years ago
bravo madame thatcher
marcussalieri 2 years ago
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Guess what Maggie?
YOU WERE WRONG.
The people you made unemployed are still unemployed today. You created what the Tories now decry as "Broken Britain". Cheers.
Oh, and your deregulation and obsession with making this country entirely reliant on financial services has caused the banking system to collapse and yet another recession. Thanks a lot.
Evil bitch.
hugoegbert79 2 years ago
Absolute;y right. The Thatcher government created a dangerously unbalanced economy. Ted Heath got it right when he said about the Thatcher government's focus on services 'It's all very well taking in other people's washing, but what happens when your washing machine breaks?' The long term unemployment of that era was absolute social poison. It turned working people into long term dependants on the state.
zephyruk 2 years ago
I don't think we need to pay the ramblings of Ted Heath much attention - he was, after all, plainly bitter that he had lost the political argument within the Conservative Party and quite frankly, he was an out of touch snob that didn't like the fact he had been soundly defeated by a grocer's daughter.
I wouldn't deny the problem of unemployment, but to suggest that in the 80's the future of our economy HAD to be based on modern businesses (i.e. services) is insane. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
hugoegbert79-YOU ARE EITHER UNEDUCATED OR VERY YOUNG. GOVERNMENT FIGURES FOR 1979 RELEASED 2008. VIEW THEM AND EDUCATE YOURSELF. UNEMPLOYEMENT BY RISING BY 12 % PER MONTH WHEN SHE CAME TO POWER. NO ONE IN MANUFACTURING WAS TAKING HOME FULL PAY. THE MINERS WERE CONSTANTLY PLUNGING US INTO DARKNESS(WINTER OF DISCONTENT). AS FOR THE BANKS, GORDON BROWN GAVE THE BANKS THE POWER TO CONTROL INTEREST RATES IN 1997 WHICH WAS ALSO THE YEAR YOU COULD GET 3.5 x YOUR SALARY FOR A MORTGAGE. 2008 WAS 6 TIMES.
ahughe32 2 years ago
It does matter - because the mass unemployment caused by her policies was unnecessarily high (a lot of good businesses were forced out of business too), and it left social scars that we are still dealing with today. Instead of making people independent and setting them free from the state, her policies made an unprecedented number of people completely dependent on the state.
zephyruk 2 years ago
@zephyruk The unemployment was necessary the productive part of the economy(private sector) was not productive enough to support the public sector. And the dept being accumulated paying the public sector was posing a risk of bringing down the entire economy. So she took some short term pain for long term prosperity which turned out to be a good move. And despite what people think unemployment right now is higher than under Thatcher, we just measure it differently now.
2000drpain86 2 years ago 2
That's only a small part of the story. The fact was that a high number of perfectly efficient and profitable companies were also forced out of business in the early 80s because of the Thatcher government's 'sledgehammer' experiment with Monetarism. Even Friedman said they'd got it wrong. What evidence are you using to say that unemployment is higher now than then? It's a bit rich talking about measurement methods too, as the Thatcher government changed it to mask the true statistics.
zephyruk 2 years ago
British rail privatised still running, BP OIL 3rd biggest oil company. British coal now UK coal. British leylands went bust 2005.British telecom, British airways. Which companys are you talking about? Monetarism was necessary to lower inflation and protect peoples standard of living. What article or video did Friedman say monetarism doesn't work? If he did he was wrong. I might be wrong on unemployment US changed there system from how they measured unemployment in the 80s, that is a fact.
2000drpain86 2 years ago 3
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Evil old witch. She was friends with Pinochet. Need I say more?
ruthar30 2 years ago
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1983 When Thatcher bankrupted Britain and trebled unemployment
dukeboys123 2 years ago
Some Irish are such hypocrites. They bemoan Thatcher, but Ireland has been following essentially Thatcherite policies, and to a greater extent than the UK, from the 1980s.
Thatcherite policies have transformed Ireland from a poor backwater to the prosperous, business-oriented country it is today.
I am proud that Thatcher stood up to terrorists like the IRA. I wish all the terrorists went on hunger strikes until they were no more.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago 5
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i dont know why everyone else is saying she was good. she let ppl die calling them terrorist but dont remember sands bombing a place
jamespatrick15 2 years ago
What a childish comment. If those hunger strikers wanted to live, all they had to do was eat. Nobody starved them except themselves.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago 7
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the strikers never said to let them live. it was the people in ireland who wanted them to stop. i heard that 1 striker gave up and wanted to eat half way trew. but was denide food. she was good in polical thing but was a mean person. i dont like the ira. they kill the wrong people. why do u think ireland wanted out of britian. it was not because we wanted to govern ourselves we were tired of the neglect we got and how catholics lost the rights
jamespatrick15 2 years ago
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i swear i will revenge bobby if i get her alone
jamespatrick15 2 years ago
Before Thatcher the UK was going to hell in a hand basket: endless strikes, blackouts and brownouts, rubbish goods and services. Thatcher turned everything around. People can't imagine what the UK would have been like without her--more East German that East Germany.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago 8
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yes while she let irish people starve to death wanting freedom
jamespatrick15 2 years ago
What a women! Compare her and Tories years in office with the years under Labour which Britain has suffered. Labour always f*ck up Britain and Tory cleans up the mess left behind. Vote for responsible policies - vote for Tory!
enevighet17 2 years ago 12
Love the accent.
You'd be hard pressed to find someone who speaks like that these days.
Nuanceqwest 2 years ago 14
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The states job is to take care of its citizenry because its citizenry through its will to take responsibility pays the tax to the collective purse so that the whole can be well.
omfg4000 2 years ago
so every individual citizen is a slave to the collective?
MrObjectivist 2 years ago
No, every individual is part of his or her collective.
omfg4000 2 years ago
Each individual has the right to live his life for his own happiness, as an end to himself. Collectivism (in all its forms) holds that man is not an end to himself, but is only a tool to serve the ends of others.
MrObjectivist 2 years ago 8