Michael Savage - Stem Cell Scientist Says: "No need for EMBRYONIC stem cells in researching cures"

[AutoBahnForever]

What is the greater evil ? An unwanted, neglected baby and child ......or abortion ? The world is overpopulated.

This is a woman's choice............period and is legal. If made illegal it will still happen only in an unsafe manner.

[Skynamo]

@AutoBahnForever

It should be made law to execute people that think as dangerously as the likes of you, my friend.

[AutoBahnForever]

@Skynamo .....interesting way to put it. Death for thought crime. Why is choice dangerous ? Is it fair for so many to suffer ?

[killerboyfoolz]

Once she said she is religious, I have to say FUCK adult stem cell and long live embryonic stem cell.

This is why you shouldn't include religion is any arguments. -.-

[zcaz23]

@killerboyfoolz Oi, hope you're kidding.. forget everything Einstein said and did if not.

[killerboyfoolz]

@zcaz23 woah 6 month ago I posted this? Anyways, I hope we can find out more about the mysteries of life by using embryonic stem cells. Hopefully we can also have a successful thereputic cloning.

I really want to have a child that is reproductive cloned.

I do not support abortion, However I suppose embryonic stem cell research. (less than 4 days old egg is not that bad to test on)

[GeneralHoohah]

I am so sick of people who are so ignorant, they don't know the difference between a lump of cells and a fetus that has actually formed into a living creature. There is a HUGE gap between the two. And if you actually believe that a small lump of cells only 2 months old, is a person... then you're either high or just stupid, and shouldn't even be allowed to speak. If its a religious belief then take it somewhere else. Separation of church and state. DON'T involve religion in political debates!!

[Rossco602]

@GeneralHoohah i agree completley,too many people with no knowledge of biology whatsoever have an opinion on this.

[elperropatron]

Michael Savage is a piece of shit who should be strangled with his own entrails after being beaten unconscious with his own severed limb.

[TheKogunEnjou]

@elperropatron That was...civilized.

[taicleis]

This whole debate is stupid. Pro-lifers equate pro-choice with abortion.

Pro-choice means having abortion as an OPTION. It means not having an outrageous law preventing abortion in the many cases where it is a very good option. Not talking about killing a 27-week old fetus, here. I'm talking about flushing out a pile of cells that's been growing for a few weeks, IF THAT. And this is only an OPTION. IT BARELY EVER HAPPENS.

But no, pro-lifers assume the worst and argue over it.

[protectamerica100]

how come savege never talk about abortion?..................abo­rtion is the issue to talk about

[Funmakinmoney]

I think this should simply be a discussion that does not involve GOD believing opinion. Since we all know that people of GOD are beings that run on a DELUSIONAL mind set there opinion is null and void. Tired of GOD believers setting back the push forward for science and discovery. God doesn't heal amputees but I guarantee science will. Simply get your great GOD to solve the starvation problem in Africa. If GOD can not do this perhaps then man can. GOD doesn't exist so I say all forward.

[ichkabib]

"sentient" is a sci-fi term now? lol. gotta love those fundies.

I'm a huge savage fan, but I don't agree with everything he says. People need to learn to think for themselves, listen to all arguments from all sides, and form their own opinion rather than just blindly following... whether its religion, a politician, a radio commentator.. whatever. THINK... FOR... YOURSELF... they haven't made that illegal yet.

[ambrocal]

mgk174

"Fells no pain? Think again. "

Sure, feels no pain before 29 weeks: causze no pain cells inside yet.

And also cannot feel pain as long as the cortex doesn't start functionning, so not before 24 weeks.

And, no, a fetus, or an embryo is not a baby!

"baby automatically responds by trying to move away from the instument"

Do you know what a reflex is?

[cliffw77]

Um, is a quadropeligic not a person then? they feel no pain, they don't move if you probe them, can i stab one to death and take his heart?

[ambrocal]

cliff, of course not I was just reassuring someone else that a fetus doesn't feel pain until 29 wks.

If one is using the pain argument then i'm responding on it, that's all.

Keep abortion legal and safe!

[cliffw77]

I think you missed the entire point... just becuase something doesn't feel pain, doesn't mean it's not alive, just because something doesn't think at this stage of development (if that's true) doesn't mean it's not alive. You were once an embryo, everyone was it is a stage of human development and is therefore a human being. Abortion is never safe, it always kills and should then not be legal

[ambrocal]

No cliff i didn't miss any point, but you did butt in without following, I never said because something doesn't feel pain it's not alive nor that an embryo is not alive, or is not a human being.

Abortion kills but what does it kill? As long as this mass of human cells doesn't have a functioning cortex (starting 24 wks) it's not a person, it's not sentient, it has no awareness, and no waves showing any sign of cortex activity.

It's just a potential person, as much as your sperm.

[cliffw77]

It's quite a bit more of a potential person than my sperm, if left alone it will become a person....regaurdless if you think it's "sentient" (what are we using the science of star trek now?) It is a human being. Would you like me to abort you? I don't think you're human, I think you're a zombie, Go suck up to your college professor a little more Zombie.

[ambrocal]

yes it's a bit more advanced stage than your sperm, but still as potential person (do you feel guilty each time you jerk off?).

Unfortunately you don't have the power to abort me, but resorting to call pll names only shows you're out of argumentation and cannot remain civil.

Have a safe and legal abortion day cliff!

[SkaRocksYea]

@ambrocal You're a fool. No one is talking about sperm or unfertilized eggs.

[ambrocal]

@SkaRocksYea I'm not asking you permission to adress a topic, dummy, mind your own business or follow the convo before butting in!

Have a great safe & legal prochoice day!

[ferrer65]

How do you know it dosen't feel pain? When a pregnant woman argues with someone and becomes very upset, the baby can be born with problems with the Nervous system. why if he dosen't feel anything? at eight weeks a baby has a heart beat. If we can get stem cells from other places that isn't embryonic and is just as good or better, then why not go with that?

[ambrocal]

How do I know? Because it's in any scientific report, duh! Without an active cortex no being can feel pain and a fetus' cortex doesn' START being active at 24 weeks, then certain pain cells are also needed, and not before 29 wks a fetus have those!

Again, what's the fuss about the heartbeat? only ignorant pro lifers make fuss about it.

For the rest of the post yes, why not, but anyway keep abortion legal and safe!

[ferrer65]

If only you would've been aborted, we wouldn't have had this conversation. :-)

[ambrocal]

I'm glad you're pro choice now ferrer :-)

[ferrer65]

I can't help but laugh at what I sent you a while back and what you wrote back. Just look at life this way: it's one big laugh and we have need to every now and then so we don't all go insane. :-)

[killerboyfoolz]

@ferrer65 The woman control hormones and other chemicals that casn intervene the the baby. Basically, whatever the woman feels, then the babby will feel. Not against you or with you. Just letting you know. Education for the good!

[Agamemnon862]

I could understand why people are against abortion, but Stem Cell Research? It's just a fucking embryo, it has no thoughts, doesnt feel pain.

[mgk174]

Are you as idotic as you sound or are you just trying to make liberals look like they are idiotic. Well, either way my dear man if you had ever seen an abortion performed you would know that as the surgical insrument is intnserted the baby automatically responds by trying to move away from the instument to protect itself from being injured. Fells no pain? Think again.

[Agamemnon862]

Dont call me stupid when you cant spell for shit. Anyway, I dont think you know what an embryo is.

[mgk174]

It is just that you got me so excited that I couldn't wait to get my response off. An embryo is a baby. But because you let the women's movement control your tiny pea brain you let them them convince you it is not yet a baby. By the way where is the hyphen between the n and t Mr. perfect speller?

[Agamemnon862]

A fetus maybe, but not an embryo. And I am actually against the femenist movement thank you very much.

[steamidjf]

You think if something cannot "feel" pain or "think," their lives are not worth anything. You can apply that logic to bacteria and other so called lesser organisms.

For humans it's different: life begins at Fertilization and that embryo/cell whatever is a human, and can only grow as a human. Just because it does not "feel" pain the way you do, doesn't make it less human. This just shows that YOU see life and define life as pain and suffering, so if you don't feel pain, you aren't living.

[Agamemnon862]

Nope, some people have disabilities in which they cant feel pain, some are mentally disabled. They are still human. However, an embryo has no cognitive abilities, it doesnt feel anything, its pretty much just a hunk of flesh.

[kazuya1196]

That kind of reasoning is very nihilistic and dangerous. Fetus over 27 weeks have neural activity in the brain, and babies do not have cognitive abilities until they are a few months old. How do you justify that killing babies outside the womb is illegal but legal inside the womb using the same logic? Lobsters cannot feel pain yet many vegans and liberals do NOT eat them yet these same vegans and liberals you'll find at pro-choice rallies. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[larsiemannen]

@kazuya1196 even tho there may be neural acitivity in the brain it doesnt mean that there are any soul into it, thus, there is no 'human person' to think of.

[nicoleb]

@kazuya1196 I'm not a hypocrite. I don't see a problem with killing babies, really. They don't develop human tendancies until they're at least nine months old. Therefore, I see no difference between killing a fetus and killing a baby under nine months. See? I'm not a hypocrite. I just happen to think fully-grown people with personalities and unique brains are more important than a meat sack that has less intelligence than a fucking cat.

[ambrocal]

Not raising my hand at all!

PRO CHOICE ALL THE WAYYYY !!!!

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: why are you pro choice?

[ambrocal]

because i only see good from it for those who want to get an abortion, I see nothing wrong with it!

[ambrocal]

forget: Why are you anti choice?

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: 'because i only see good from it for those who want to get an abortion, i see nothing wrong with it' so if you did see something wrong with it, you would disagree with it? what do you see that is good? what is the difference between freedom and morality? obviously morality is important to you, you mentioned it twice in your response. what is the definition of morality? 'why are you pro choice?' i never claimed such that i was.

[ambrocal]

forget: why are you anti choice? If you are pro choice, which i know you are not, why?

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: you did not answer the questions. i am not anti choice.

[ambrocal]

forget you didn't answer the question: why are you anti choice in the sense not pro choice?

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: not being pro choice does not necessarily mean that i am anti choice. this is the 'either/or fallacy'. and you never asked that question. i answered your question: i am not pro choice. you still have not answered my questions.

[ambrocal]

why are you not pro choice? you've not answered this question

pro life is a fallacy as pro lifers do agree with wars and some with death penalty.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: 'pro life is... penalty' you state that it is a fallacy, but it is in fact not a logical fallacy. you are incorrect. why are you avoiding my questions? also, grouping all people on one side of an argument is a 'hasty generalization', another logical fallacy. i niether agree with war, nor the death penalty, though i do agree they are necessary in specific circumstances. i am not pro choice because abortion is homicide, and homicide is immoral.

[ambrocal]

You see forget no need to answer your endless questions, you think homicide is immoral, I do too. So the heart of the question is why do you consider a fetus a human person and why i don't think a fetus is a human person. Period.

[ambrocal]

forget how being pro life and not against death penalty or war is not a fallacy? If one supports war and/or death penalty, they cannot possibly be pro life as they call themselves.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: if you are unable or unwilling to answer my questions, it's fine, just let me know.

[ambrocal]

forget "if you are unable or unwilling to answer my questions,"

I'll answer your questions when they are relevant. I know very well the game you're playing, questions lead to more questions and you never stop, so let me play same game with you.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: you're right, the questions will continue, so long as you see that 'choice' to kill infants is not only immoral, but also contradictory to the reasons your side gives for doing it. this is not a game, and i'm sorry you feel it is.

[ambrocal]

forget

"that 'choice' to kill infants is contradictory to the reasons your side gives for doing it."

How can the reasons given to have the choice of getting an abortion be contradictory to have that choice?

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: 'How can the reasons given to have the choice of getting an abortion be contradictory to have that choice?' it depends on what that choice is based off of. what are your reasons for advocating abortion? do you think abortion is right for moral reasons? personal liberties? responsibility?

[ambrocal]

Nothing wrong with abortion !!!!

I still don't see how a reason given to have the choice of getting an abortion can be contradictory to have that choice.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: you still have not answered the questions. you have told me you think it's right, but you have not given any reasons for WHY it is right.

[ambrocal]

forget: why would it be wrong? cause you think it's homicide. I don't.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: 'i don't' why?

[ambrocal]

forget; cause a fetus before 24 wks does not have what it takes to be a person.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: 'a fetus before 24 wks does not have what it takes to be a person' what does it take to be a person? what is different about a fetus between 23 weeks and 6 days and 24 weeks? is there a physical difference? what is it? what is the definition of personhood?

[ambrocal]

forget: the diff is the cortex starts functionning at best at 24 wks.

in order to be a human person, you have to be sentient and aware of your environnement. You have to have a functional cortex.

[forgetcompletely]

ambrocal: so the definition of 'personhood' is based off of the funtion of the cortex? where is this definition from? how can you know, without the shadow of a doubt, that this definition is true?

[ambrocal]

forget: this def comes from doctors, I can send you some info later.

If this definition was not true, I wouldn't chose personhood as a limit for abortion. I just think it's fair to base fetuses rights on a functional cortex.

[HolyCatholicApostoli]

I do not discriminate on the basis of age,

between embryo, infant, toddler, preschooler, school boy or girl, adolescent, young adult, older adult, senior citizen.

All are human and all are alive.

All medical doctors know the embryo is allive and growing and is human life, period.

[HolyCatholicApostoli]

You're alive because you were not aborted!

I was an embryo and I VOTE !! FI have a right to LIFE.

I defend everyones RIGHT TO LIFE!

Stop trampling on the Rights of little humans.

[HolyCatholicApostoli]

If you cannot see anything wrong with taking the life of a human being then you would also see there is nothing wrong with abortion.

but if you know the Truth that killing or taking the life of any human being is not only wrong but EVIL. then you would be Right.

[LandofDaFree]

Adult stem cells have shown both tremendous potential AND actual results in treating diseases. Embryonic stem cells have not. The only politics on this issue comes from the Left.

What's even scarier, and what the criminal MSM will not report, is that President Clinton does not know what an embryo is. He was in a position to make laws re: this research. He mistakenly defined an embryo about 6 times in his interview with Sanjay Gupta, who failed to correct him even once.

[ZegatonZ]

land

"What's even scarier, and what the criminal MSM will not report, is that President Clinton does not know what an embryo is."

neither do lifers, mistakenly think is a person

lol

[LandofDaFree]

I believe in the right to life and correctly recognize that an embryo is in the earliest stages of life.

President Clinton did not know an embryo is already fertilized. He clearly does not know the science. President Bush knows more about embryonic stem cells than Clinton does - that's shameful.

[ZegatonZ]

"President Bush knows more about embryonic stem cells than Clinton does - that's shameful. "

are you speaking of the president that ordered thE MURDERING of hundreds of thousands of people, or he Bush that assisted Hussein on his murdering campaign against Iranians and his own people?

[LandofDaFree]

The 43rd President of the United States.

[ZegatonZ]

well

we must take care of the born, you know, the ones not growing inside a private property,

[Nickk361]

Stem cell research is sacreligious!  Abortion is murder! The end of morality is has always caused of the fall of great nations!

[b5kalad]

Yes, abortion is murder. The abortion providers want to make more money.

[ZegatonZ]

"The abortion providers want to make more money. "

wrong, abortion cuts any potential money making

there is more money if fetuses go full term

[ZegatonZ]

nick

"Stem cell research is sacreligious! "

your baseless opinion

"Abortion is murder! "

no is not , look it uup

"The end of morality is has always caused of the fall of great nations!"

WRONG again, empires have fallen for stretching too thinly, THE WAY THE USA HAS DONE THE LAST 6-8 YEARS

[Nickk361]

Idiot it a fact and your opinion is not only wrong, it sucks.

[ZegatonZ]

"Idiot it a fact and your opinion is not only wrong, it sucks"

is not a opinion, but a fact

1.-Reagan n bush armed and supported hussein, the taliban and bid laden

2.- bush son planned the removal of hussein way before 911

both action supported or started genocides, the purpose

our convenience, OIL

[Nickk361]

Move on moron. Bush & Reagan (dead)are NO LONGER IN OFFICE! Focus on the PRESENT DIPSHIT!

[ZegatonZ]

"Move on moron. Bush & Reagan (dead)are NO LONGER IN OFFICE! Focus on the PRESENT DIPSHIT! "

but their consequences are, learn some history so YOU DO NOT REPEAT IT

i was responding to your comment, that it was "my opinion"

"dipshit"

why do conservatives resort to insulting when out of arguments?

lol

[eksdem]

Wonderful interview. Thanks!

[Subjugator1866]

hail savage!