Tht is sucha shame Tht had to happen. Tht 1919 team was was of the best teams of all time. The pitching was unbelievable and the hitting was great...Joe Jackson was amazing and Ty Cobb said buck weaver was the best 3rd baseman he had ever seen. If this scandal never wouldve taken place the sox wouldve won the 1919 series easily and it wouldve been the beginning of a dynasty for the sox tht woulda continued to the late 20's...just imagine the 1927 yankees with babe ruth and Lou Gehrig at the top
Shoeless Joe and Buck Weaver were completely innocent. Their stats were too good. It was known that Shoeless Joe was barely literate and I there's no doubt that he quite possibly was was tricked into signing a confession plea-thinking it was probably a check for liquor- before he plead guilty before the jury. Weaver was also about to hire a skilled attorney from New York, who guaranteed Weaver that he would be reinstated into baseball, but his legal files mysteriously vanished in the process.
They knew about the betting that was going on and did not report to Gleason, Comminsky, Umps, the Reds, no one outside of the gamblers and other players were verbally told. That is incrimination by association, like being the guy in the getaway car, he didn't actually do the crime, but he sure as shit put himself at risk by helping them flee. Weaver and Jackson feel they were innocent because a) they played great b) didn't take any money.
@mrceebees14 Wrong The other players later claimed Joe knew nothing about the meetings and Weaver took part in only two of them and thought it never would've happened. I wish YouTube would allow more words to be typed in these individual comments, because I was going to add Weaver probably did tell management about the fix. Weaver probably thought management could've then threatened to expose them if they did not play good.
@mrceebees14 The scenario that I'm suggesting happened is that Weaver did tell the management and they inform the other players about them. Hell, Weaver could've even informed the players himself that management knew and they likely didn't believe him, thinking that he wouldn't do so because he risked both public humiliation and time in jail for knowing about the meetings. I'm not typing this because I suck up the Sox. Hell, I'm even from Minnesota and support their rival Twins
Charles Cominsky likely thought Joe would demand more money if he continued to play for the White Sox. Cominsky was a known cheapskate and likely saw the scandal as an opportunity to prevent two things from happening: A) being forced to pay Joe more money and B) risk losing Joe-who was indeed one of the most valuable players in baseball at the time- to another team and seeing the White Sox losing games greatly. Because Joe's confession would ban him from baseball, he could achieve both goals
nice i like that u know ur stuff and ur a female nice lol
eli310 3 weeks ago
@eli310 Thanks to literature and wikipedia...yes, haha. But thank you!
moreRITZbitz30 3 weeks ago
@moreRITZbitz30 lol yea thats what happens when u read lol so do u got a facebook
eli310 2 weeks ago
arnold gandil was a first baseman
Jaysbaseball24 1 month ago
@Jaysbaseball24. Sorry! I'm sure you're more of an expert than me. Thanks for clearing that up.
moreRITZbitz30 3 weeks ago
Tht is sucha shame Tht had to happen. Tht 1919 team was was of the best teams of all time. The pitching was unbelievable and the hitting was great...Joe Jackson was amazing and Ty Cobb said buck weaver was the best 3rd baseman he had ever seen. If this scandal never wouldve taken place the sox wouldve won the 1919 series easily and it wouldve been the beginning of a dynasty for the sox tht woulda continued to the late 20's...just imagine the 1927 yankees with babe ruth and Lou Gehrig at the top
chrisgetz17 2 months ago
I'm a die-hard Cubs fan and hate anything whitesox, but that joe jackson was on hell of a great player and Innocent. Put him in the HOF!
great presentation moreRitzbitz30
aknowneemus 5 months ago
@aknowneemus Thank you! My professor thought so too :)
moreRITZbitz30 3 weeks ago
Shoeless Joe didn't even do anything wrong. :(
MillionDollarYankee 5 months ago 3
Shoeless Joe and Buck Weaver were completely innocent. Their stats were too good. It was known that Shoeless Joe was barely literate and I there's no doubt that he quite possibly was was tricked into signing a confession plea-thinking it was probably a check for liquor- before he plead guilty before the jury. Weaver was also about to hire a skilled attorney from New York, who guaranteed Weaver that he would be reinstated into baseball, but his legal files mysteriously vanished in the process.
hulkyone 1 year ago 4
@hulkyone Incorrect.
They knew about the betting that was going on and did not report to Gleason, Comminsky, Umps, the Reds, no one outside of the gamblers and other players were verbally told. That is incrimination by association, like being the guy in the getaway car, he didn't actually do the crime, but he sure as shit put himself at risk by helping them flee. Weaver and Jackson feel they were innocent because a) they played great b) didn't take any money.
They were guilty.
mrceebees14 4 months ago
@mrceebees14 Wrong The other players later claimed Joe knew nothing about the meetings and Weaver took part in only two of them and thought it never would've happened. I wish YouTube would allow more words to be typed in these individual comments, because I was going to add Weaver probably did tell management about the fix. Weaver probably thought management could've then threatened to expose them if they did not play good.
hulkyone 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 The scenario that I'm suggesting happened is that Weaver did tell the management and they inform the other players about them. Hell, Weaver could've even informed the players himself that management knew and they likely didn't believe him, thinking that he wouldn't do so because he risked both public humiliation and time in jail for knowing about the meetings. I'm not typing this because I suck up the Sox. Hell, I'm even from Minnesota and support their rival Twins
hulkyone 2 months ago
Charles Cominsky likely thought Joe would demand more money if he continued to play for the White Sox. Cominsky was a known cheapskate and likely saw the scandal as an opportunity to prevent two things from happening: A) being forced to pay Joe more money and B) risk losing Joe-who was indeed one of the most valuable players in baseball at the time- to another team and seeing the White Sox losing games greatly. Because Joe's confession would ban him from baseball, he could achieve both goals
hulkyone 1 year ago
Comment removed
hulkyone 1 year ago
Chick Gandil was not a pitcher. He was a first baseman.
MrJammer90 1 year ago 2