Sonic is just Sonic; only in different generations. I don't support any kind of Sonic. Just both Classic and Modern are one. I never had a problem with Classic Sonic nor Modern Sonic. In fact both have great games and I hate it when people don't support either one of the two generations.
I used to be a HUGE classic sonic but I realized he had his mistakes too. Like those fail stam cartoons and the archie comics, or sonic labyrinth. I learned to respect Modern's concept also. He is pretty funny, especially in Colors, and his voice actor is "ok". But they are the same, so learn to love it amd don't let nostalgia blind you!
It shouldn't be so bad to like the classic more than the modern Sonic. Especially if you are like me and grew up with the classic Sonic. However, people are going to have difference of opinion over the slightess detail. When in reality, if you like Sonic, modern or classic, you are a Sonic fan.
@TheSliferSoul Well, because there's hardly anything about Mario that people may perceive as "ugly", yet even newschool Sonic fans can admit to not liking the way Sonic looks in games Sonic 4 or 2006.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Then what is ugly may i ask? Both he and Mario got more detailed looking when graphics evolved. Simply. Its not like Sonic Team gave Sonic sun glasses and shiny clothes, Or extremely altered his face.
@TheSliferSoul Well, for example, while his eyes being a certain color isn't a problem, his pupils have been shrunk. Some would say this makes him looks older or cooler but it just makes him looks a lot less chipper and upbeat than his past self. Also, he sometimes has this wrinkle between his eyes that makes him look really angry and mean, and his smile sometimes looks really forced. The Sonic 4 logo is a great example of this. Like I said, even newschoolers think it's hideous.
@NickonAquaMagna2 I agree on Modern Sonic's smile and facial expressions. But it also depends on which animator Sonic Team hire to make the 3D art. They could give him a classic smile anyday.
And in the end. They are the same hedgehog. Its just different looks. And its more important to talk about gameplay than appearances. Yet this is such a huge matter these days.
@skinnydipper16 I believe modern Sonic's design "represented" good games as well. Or are people so traumatized by bad memories that they have to yell at anything that wasn't present during the classic era?
@TheSliferSoul well no, I'm just giving a reason Mario can get away with it. Modern Sonic is associated with eyecandy and GOTTA GO FAST, while Classic Sonic just gives a feeling of quality gameplay above plot or gimmicks. If you're going to get into reasons about actual looks, I think it's impossible to believe Sonic looks good in Sonic 4, what with his clumsy massive walk stride the lazy last minute circle leg blur add-on.
@skinnydipper16 They are the same fucking hedgehog for crying out loud. None of them are different from each other. Sega could give Modern Sonic a classic smile or something anyday.
And once again. Does it really matter how he fucking looks? Does it affect the gameplay!? No.
@TheSliferSoul Well yeah it kinda does, I can't really imagine Classic Sonic in Unleashed Daytime gameplay, Modern Sonic fits the part far more, he's more streamlined and seems more appropriate to that sorta of speed.
@skinnydipper16 I'm not mad. Just tired of people using eye colour as an arguement. It doesn't affect the gameplay the slightest, Gameplay is affected by how its programmed.
Once again. If Mario can use his Modern appearance, So can Sonic. Its fair and simple. Find him ugly if you like. But thats how it is.
@SuperAwesomeTiago Originally Mario's trousers and sweater had the opposite colours. Thats a big change. But does it matter anyway how his eye colours are? NO.
@RayAndFlare You don't seem to have listened to what i said. Sega can any day the want make classic more like modern, and the opposite.
And like i stated before. Does sonic's physics get worse because of how the character looks? Does modern sonic automatically equal homing attack and racing gameplay? No. Its just a stupid law that you have made up in your minds.
@TheSliferSoul >Does modern sonic automatically equal homing attack and racing gameplay? well sorta actually~
I'd be fine with all this "THEY'RE THE SAME THING" stuff if we were still on about Sonic 4 but Sega have openly shown they're different by making generations soooo
The people who call modern Sonic "Porqupine Man" can go eff themselves. IM LOOKING AT YOU, raveakidd! (And no, I'm not bias against classic Sonic, I like both Sonics, and I'd play Sonic 1 or Sonic Adventure any day!)
@thesega99 So true! Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic are one and the same! Want someone even worse? Iamterminater or something like that thinks that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are two separate characters who don't look anything alike.
Now i'm not asking for a video or anything because i know how pissed you get about that and fair enough, i completely understand but perhaps in a comment or something could you give me your opinion on this sonic redesign? youtube(dot)com/watch?v=DW1aRhVscLY&context=C3d5f084ADOEgsToPDskKrQHRlw2gV4fJgwLwuxi2a
no one is a "Retrofag" if anything there is only Modernfags..... im kidding (but govermentaly it is true 4 gay marriage xD) but if those who call those retrofags can suck it and have a taste of their own medicine.
I grew up with Sonic Adventure (my first Sonic game) so I'm definitely not a "retrofag", and I prefer Classic Sonic's look. Classic Sonic's animations made me smile so much more than Modern Sonic's smartmouth attitude, even though I preferred Modern Sonic's gameplay.
I'm interested Nickon, I thought Modern Sonic's gameplay in this game was better than Classic's, yet no 3D Sonic game to me has been as good as Sonic 2 or 3K. Maybe it's less about gameplay and more about level design? Thoughts?
There is no true sonic. In all honesty i never even seperated modern from classic sonic until everyone started too. I personally just assumed sonic got older. I like both models of sonic and I would like them to keep the modern model. It is a fact that modern sonic has had some awful games but it has very little to do with the character and human settings and more to do with crappy gameplay mechanics. That being said sa1,2 and generations are good modern games imo as well as the classics
@killak1724 Well, I really don't buy the whole "age" thing. To me, Sonic has ALWAYS been fifteen or sixteen. It's just the same guy drawn in two different styles that each give him a certain feel. Personally, I'd LOVE to see a 3D model based on how he was drawn in the Sonic CD anime cutscenes. The spines, the body, the expression, it was all perfect and further fleshed the whole juxtaposition of cutesy and kickass that we know oldschool Sonic for.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well its not that I bought into it. I just automatically assumed he got older when i saw sonic 3 and then sonic adventure. Because sonic looks taller and stuff by the time sonic 3 comes around. But i guess I can understand your point. I personally like the modern sonic design(aside from sonic 06 ugh) I dont mind having either sonic i think it just comes down to preference. At least you're respectable when you express your opinion.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Actually in the Japanese Genesis manuals Sonic was listed as being 10 years old. When Sonic Adventure game around he was aged to 15 and now that Sonic Generations has been released and takes place one year after Colors Sonic is now 16.
@pkstarstorm1up I don't care what the Japanese say about it. So what if they call Robtnoik Eggman? So what if they think Sonic is a tyke? We're not obliged to do everything exactly the same. We may as well call Bowser "Koopa" just "cause Japan says so". Besides, what's wrong with everyone being drawn in a "kiddy" art style? Modern Sonic isn't even significantly taller than classic, they just have different body proportions.
@NickonAquaMagna2 You do realise that the Japanese versions are the canon versions? The American made up information in the Genesis manuals aren't canon as they aren't what Sonic Team created and/or agrees on. The creators say he's 10 from Sonic 1 to Sonic 3&K, 15 from Sonic Adventure to Sonic Colors, and 16 from Sonic Generations onwards.
Nothing is wrong with it but once you change to a more realistic and expressive art style you realise how much cooler and better it looks
@NickonAquaMagna2 then the original art styles. Again I have no problem with people liking Classic Sonic's design more. I only dislike people who obsess over the design and act as if a character design is a really important reason to buy a game and what makes the game good (@Mariotehplumber, Gligar13vids, Gamedude ect.)
@pkstarstorm1up About the character designs, lemme just say I don't see how making Sonic taller made him "more expressive". His face is pretty much the same, aside from a few changes like irises an' whatnot. Changing the way a character looks simply for the sake of doing so does not automatically make it "better". By that logic, putting him in a tutu would be an improvement just because it changes SOMETHING. It's HOW you change them that can truly add something to the character.
@NickonAquaMagna2 But they did add something to the character. They gave him a personality unlike in the Genesis games where his only trait was impatience.
@pkstarstorm1up he always had personallity, based off of Bill Cliton's " get it done" attitude. That was one of the things that made him iconic, esspecially in the early nineties, along with the speed, platforming etc. The gameplay back then was and still is the main core of the series.
@poppin7581 The Sonic Adventure style of gameplay is the best in my opinion. Yeah but that's not much of a personality. When you go into a 3D realm you need to have a 3 Dimensional personality (unless you want to go the Mario, Link, and Kirby route.)
@NickonAquaMagna2 And with the Bowser Koopa thing that is different as he is called Bowser in Japan now. The same with Eggman/Ivo Robotnik. Eggman is his nickname and Ivo Robotnik is his real name.
@HFAlpha7 What? Is being "cool" really so much more important than being genuinely likeable? Classic Sonic is a quirky juxtaposition of badass AND cute. It sounds like it should be impossible to take such a character seriously, but he's unique. Being badass for the sake of being as badass as possible is just shallow and vain. It's like overcompensating for what is otherwise a bland character by creating this illusion that being "cool" is all it takes to make someone interesting.
@HFAlpha7 He's cute because of his design but cool because of his attitude. It's so much more fun seeing him wag a finger and smirk or scowl than seeing modern Sonic do it. Like I said, the total clash between cutesy and cool contained in classic Sonic is what makes him appealing, for some moreso than modern Sonic. He isn't "just" cute. When modern Sonic acts like a punk, it's hardly a surprise, so it really isn't that interesting. When classic Sonic does it, he stands out.
@NickonAquaMagna2 He never looked that way to me. Classic Sonic just hoped around with his wide-eyed expression and did Looney Tunes-style antics. It just wasn't Sonic. Modern Sonic was cocky, but he in general had a very likable personality. Besides, in terms of game play (in Generations) Modern Sonic could do so much more and it felt more fun to play as him.
@HFAlpha7 We're talking about character design and behavior, not gameplay (I honestly thought both played just fine in Generations).
You're just going to have to accept that different people see things in different ways. Sorry if "baby Sonic" isn't cool enough to meet your standard of a "good" character, but that's your own taste, and this is mine, though I did used to share your attitude some years ago.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well I was wondering when you'd learn it because it looks like to me you try to force us that Classic Sonic is somehow better than Modern Sonic. That the daytime stages are the worst video game ever, and Sonic is some cutesy nature fanatic.
To be honest Classic Sonic to me is just okay. But Modern Sonic blows him out of the water. All retrofags (not including you) will just halve to grow up.
@HFAlpha7 Being more powerful or badass or whatever doesn't make modern Sonic "better". I just think classic Sonic, and his gameplay, are a lot more UNIQUE then modern Sonic. It's easy to make a character that's all over the top in your face totally radical extreme whatever that whizzes by everything like crazy. This is a case where less is more, at least for me. I used to think otherwise, but have since... well... "grown up".
I'm not sure I get this. Generations' modern model melds classic and modern together quite well IMHO. Its just they tend to focus more on the cool side much more than the cute side. (image coming through PM)
See this image. I think Sonic looks pretty sweet. Like a larger version of classic Sonic. The differences between the character models are tiny. Its they way they animate them, that makes any /real/ difference.
@SuperAwesomeTiago By grow up I mean quit living in the past, accept that Modern Sonic is the true Sonic, and there are other good Sonic games outside of the "genesis" collection.
@HFAlpha7 First of all,the "real" Sonic,is the classic Sonic because that's how he was drawn first,before the franchsie turned into an emofest.
Second,I personaly,am open to like any Sonic games that has actual levels instead of race tracks.If you watch this guy's reviews,you know what I'm talking about.
Just because you prefer a certain design,it doesn't mean you need to "grow up"
@SuperAwesomeTiago No, the real sonic is Modern Sonic because that's the design that Sega has been using and will be using longer. Besides, Classic Sonic in generations is pointless, really.
@HFAlpha7 Hm.So apparently you're now expressing that Sonic saving the envoirniment and caring for people other than yourself is not as "cool" as kissing a random human princess.You know,because we need humans mixed with cartoon animals,because that's badass and cool somehow.
@SuperAwesomeTiago Sonic always cared for others. And saving the environment, Wow! this will get kids on like Donkey Kong it's so damn interesting! Ha, ha ha- I think not.
What ever happened to simply "saving the world" and all that good stuff? Oh, Sonic isn't a super hero, no, he's a way for kids to give a damn about nature even though that message has been shoved down their throats at every other corner.
@HFAlpha7 Apparently,Sonic was just trying to "save nature" in the classics.Which means he went to space and actually bothered to try to save THE WORLD FROM BEING RULED BY DR. ROBOTNIK because he felt like it,right?
@SuperAwesomeTiago Look, just stop. No matter how much I throw at you. You retrofags are stuck in this delusion that saving bunny rabbits is more impressive than saving the human race. Sonic is best in his Modern state. It appalls me that people could actually say such a thing. Unless you have a logical statement to why I'm wrong, then GTFO.
@HFAlpha7 Translation: Newfag can't take opinions.I will leave now,I can never win arguments with newfags because they always go cry for mommy due to running out of facts.
@SuperAwesomeTiago "Newfags" isn't even a word. The correct term is "Sonic Fan" because Modern Sonic fans are real Sonic fans. Retrofags should do the real Sonic fans a favor and move on to another hobby or interest and leave the fandom to those who actually like what they are part of as opposed to hate it.
@HFAlpha7 You are a narrow minded asshole. You claim to be grown up, but you're unwilling to accept any idea other your own of whatever Sonic "should" be.
Sonic is an animal. Not a human. Copy and pasting him into a human city is not creative. Having him save his own kind from Robotnik is fitting, but you act like it's "too cliche' and childish" or some shit.
I honestly don't mind the idea of Sonic protecting EVEYONE, but your attitude is "fuck the flickies". MAH Sawnik is BASASS!!!"
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well excuuuuuuuuse me for arguing with a troll. Its more like the people who don't like Modern Sonic because of his design are the ones who need to grow up.
Sonic isn't an animal, he's an anthropomorph, meaning he's pretty much fair game. And you say that saving nature isn't cliche? Jeez, I wonder who else could have possibly done it? Avatar? Ferngully? Mario? Rayman? Captain Planet? Nah, Sonic is surely the only one to represent that idea! *derp*
@NickonAquaMagna2 (continued) Sonic isn't supposed to be badass, he's just a good hearted soul who wants to do what's best for the world. Leave the badassness to Shadow.
@HFAlpha7 Why is it not okay for certain ideas to be used if they've already been used "too much" for other products? Avatar and most of that stuff is irrelevant. Sonic came out 2 decades ago and it more or less just turned out that way. The reason it doesn't seem at all "contrived" or "cliche" for Sonic to defend nature is, cause, well, he's a part of it. Anthromorph, whatever you wanna call him. He's basically a big mutant flicky, and so are his friends. It's only "natural" for him.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well ask Doug Walker when in his review for Distri- okay fine, wrong example.To me it seems like nature has been used WAY to much in platformers like Mario and Rayman. I like Sonic in a different setting because that's what makes him unique, he's a platformer that has nothing to do with nature.
@HFAlpha7 Sonic was very much portrayed as a 'badass in is debut in the early 90s. Though the word 'badass' is over used and isn't the best word here. I'd go with 'daredevil'.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Do you think that sonic being around humans in general is a negative or do you think it just could have been handled better? I for one dont mind him being on earth with humans so long as its handled well and doesnt come off as too serious or too goofy.
I think many of Modern Sonic fans are being the most annoying (the ones who keeps bitching about it). For example when I commented on a Sonic 4 trailer about classic sonic some douche replied to me and he said "NNNOOOOOO!! CLASEEK SANIC IS STOOPID! DOANT JOO DAERE INSULT HEEM! I WANNA KEEL YOUU!". Im fucking serious. The same thing happened when I said that I liked AoStH over Sonic X.
also, EVERY sonic game made after the Genesis generation has essentially been a fucking racing game. I mean seriously, listen to me, it gives you point's for drifting, etc. THE NEW SONIC GAMES ARE ESSENTIALLY NEED FOR SPEED FOR FURRIES.
@newyorkment In the genesis games, there was always a good blend of speed, platforming and exploring. What we need is a 3D game that reflects the classics and maintains that balance. Sonic Unleashed's daytime stages had too much speed, and very little of the other things needed for a consistent Sonic game. However, Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure 1 (not 2) and most of the modern stages in Generations DO maintain that healthy blend. It's rarely seen done right, but 3D CAN work.
I grew up on the classic Sonic, but I never really got into the new sonic games. The way I see it, Sonic was never meant to be in 3D. They just started printing out next-gen console 3D games under the dying Sonic franchise to profit off of dumb kids. I am mainly a Genesis and Sonic fan, but I must say that Mario made a better transition to 3D platformers. Once you traverse into the 3D platformer realm, speed isn't as important. It's more about hidden features, complex puzzles, unlockables, etc.
i like both the same, but i like classic sonics gameplay better and he is cuter, even though i grew up with the modern games like sadx and sa2, but after playing with him in sonic generations, i feel he has better exploration and and the most platforming,if i was in the mood for speeding around i would play modern sonic.
@sonadver9912 Well, I do think Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure 1 and the modern stages of Generations are pretty swell. The daytime stages are just a series of empty hallways to mindlessly boost through, but it is possible to have good 3D Sonic gameplay.
@NickonAquaMagna2 i can say that the modern stages and sadx were awesome, explortional but classic is more platformish and explorational than modern thats all i am saying. and as for the daytime stages i think sega were thinking to make the speed part of it in them and all the platforming and exploration in the werehog.
staying on topic, i actually really like classic sonic's design. Its not that different and I have no real preference. If people like classic sonic's design better then thats fine but when people completely hate on either sonic, thats no good! Btw I need to watch the other videos, being a sonic fan im naturally attracted to sonic videos (no homo and no furry) But il check out the other stuff and leave a comment every so often
i gotta admit, im guilty of pestering this guy when it comes to sonic. I like both sonics but overall im more of a modern fan. I can make compromises.
@NickonAquaMagna2 you know what. i never noticed that before. but when you talked about it you showed us the speed boosters littered across the level.
@BeastGamer101 the retarded fanbase should not be able to drive you away from the actual games, if you really are a true sonic fan then the fanbase shouldn't influence your judgement on the franchise. Just play the games and let the childish idiots argue
I don't really care if people prefer classic over modern but when those idiots constantly bash modern sonic and his fans over and over again then it gets annoying, same thing goes for the modern fans. I actually grew up with Sonic in the Genesis days but I prefer Modern over Classic, this fanbase is soo confused and fucked up lol
Sonic 06 has to many glitches I mean they're there if they're there it's inexcusable because they shouldn't be you shouldn't get stuck on a wall for no reason you shouldn't just randomly fall off a stage to find yourself stuck in the free fall frames scripted events should not have fails and glitches teleporting is not fun jump panels should take you where they're intended to not falling short and then you die you shouldn't go through walls as if they aren't there the laws of physics
@YHUAN01 should exist especially if they were using the Havok engine greatest offender was the yeah this makes sense glitch the game is bad it just is if it was polished it'd be descent at best because story was bad not well written and camera bull shit horrid controls bad rail system and levels that are just too long
@YHUAN01 The game's physics are better then Unleasheds and Heroes. The only free fall scripted event is in the Wave Ocean Mach Speed Zone. The are hardly any glitches that happen without the player making it happen on purpose. The story was breathtaking and very epic.
Even if Sonic Next Gen had no Glitches, there would still Camera Issues, Sometimes-Slippery Controls, bad Collision Detection and some Frustratingly long Levels.
@PKMNTrainerTyson I like long levels. They are fun, and the controls are only slippery on the PS3 version. And the Camera issues are less annoying then they were in Heroes and Shadow.
@pkstarstorm1up If the Long Levels had less Repetitive Combat then maybe it would've been Fun, but even when they get the Platforming it's a Painfully Long Maze that takes forever to beat because the Game won't give you a Clue on where to go (Tropical Jungle, etc.).
I still had trouble Controlling Sonic or Co. when they were Running Fast from a Dash Panel.
@PKMNTrainerTyson The Homing Attack, Bounce Attack, Sliding kick, and regular kick are not boring combat moves. It's fun to explore and figure out where to go on your own. Tropical Jungle is a very good and fun level.
Have you ever thought that maybe the reason you can't control them is because you just suck at the game?
As long as it's better then previous installments the camera shouldn't be fussed over.
@pkstarstorm1up The Homing Attack is Stupid, all you do is press the Same Button again and again. The Bounce is nowhere near as fun as it was in SA2, the Kick Attacks don't add much either.
And the Level's ridiculosly huge so People get Lost and it takes Forever to Beat it because the Developers never intended to give you a direction on where to go...you just...go, that's it.
As I said before, the Game's Easy and I can beat it. But there are many Problems that make it a Pain. (Continued...)
@PKMNTrainerTyson The Homing Attack works much better then it does in the previous Sonic games so you can't complain, the Bounce Attack is exactly the same as in SA2 so don't lie. The Kick Attacks added a good amount.
That's why it's fun. It's fun to figure out where to go on your own without having to be told where to go. Tropical Jungle is a good level and only someone with no sense of direction would get lost in it more then once.
@PKMNTrainerTyson (to PKMNT & PKstar) I actually like that the levels in 06 are so big and expansive. That's one of the things about it that I can praise, and wish they'd flesh out more in the later games. I rarely ever got lost. Even if I went this way and that way I'd get to the goal sooner or later without much trouble. Exploring just gave me more to do between the loading screens. Even when I may get lost, I could scale the area pretty quickly with someone like Rouge.
It's not. I never got lost in Heroes or Shadow. In Next Gen, the Camera spazzes out sometimes, can lead you to Death because it wasn't pointing at the Direction people are supposed to be Running along, etc.
@PKMNTrainerTyson Yes it is. In Heroes and Shadow the Camera can make it really easy to run off a ledge and into a bottomless pit and losing a life. In 06 the camera simply turns you around for a split second. Also since you can reset the camera at any time there is hardly any mess up's with it outside of Flame Core.
@pkstarstorm1up dude the game is bad legitimately bad the camera was worse than adventure and I thought that was the worst camera of all sonic games second bad controls shadow the hedgehog Shadow automatically stops himself from falling off a ledge at any speed he is running at he stop almost fall off the ledge flail his arms and foot to keep his balance and pull back saving you from falling off heroes and sa2 had it but not while running at full speed the homing attack was best in adventrue
@YHUAN01 series until sonic and the secret rings using the lock on cursor to guide to which enemy was in range combat was boring and repetitive in 06 in unleashed you could at least upgrade and level up with more combos and what not the levels are too big shadow the hedgehog had the perfect level size big but not so big you could remotely get lost not even in death ruins seriously how could you defend a purposely done piece of shit called Sonic the Hedgehog (06) it's bad and you know it
@YHUAN01 Secret Rings is an abomination to the franchise. You have no control over Sonic as everything is on rails, the levels are horribly linear, and there is no platforming, the combat was not boring in 06. The levels are the perfect size and all Sonic games should have big levels like 06 does because it's fun to explore and move around in them. Sonic 06 is an awesome game and you know it you terdball.
@pkstarstorm1up I never said secret rings was a good game but it was programmed much better than 06 and 06 had a rail system at certain points during the game and all rail systems are linear dumb fuck hence it's a rail system any who looks up a game they want to buy would know what type of gameplay is in a game sonic games shouldn't have levels that are so big you have no clue where to go when you first play SA you knew where to go and it was a descent size as well
@YHUAN01 but when you have to "explore" just to find out where the hell you need to go that draws the line and secret rings did have some platforming in it wasn't a big part since it's on a rail system but there was some platforming pirate storm level is a good example of platforming in the game and it force to use the jump dash like 06 did for platforming purposes
06 is much better programed then Secret Rings is. 06 has hardly any on rails portions outside of the Mach Speed Zones and even then those control much better then all of Secret Rings does. Secret Rings also has horrible jump and homing attack mechanics. That's how levels are supposed to be. You are supposed to figure out where to go on your own without any direction.That's what makes them fun to explore and makes them great. SA is a better game then 06 but 06 is better then most 3D Sonic games.
@pkstarstorm1up exploring is done to have fun to be made as a chore to do just to beat a level not the game but the levels SatSR is programmed better there aren't any glitches that proves that it was programmed better the jumping wasn't bad awkward at first but I never really had trouble with it the lock on with the homing attack made that game completely possible if they didn't have it the game would be badly programmed 06 is the worst sonic game it has the lowest ratings out of them all
@YHUAN01 It is fun. It isn't a chore. Secret Rings is much more of a chore to play then 06 is because 06 is actually fun. Sonic 06 is nowhere near the worst Sonic game. That honor belongs to Sonic Labryinth for the 2D games and Secret Rings for the 3D games. Ratings mean nothing seeing as how most of the reviewers out there are biased against 3D Sonic games. Besides that just because the majority of people think something that doesn't mean that they are right or that it is true.
@YHUAN01 Anyway can we please just agree to disagree? Because I am tired of talking about this seeing as how it is likely to annoying @NickonAquaMagna2 and I'd rather not be blocked by him.
@pkstarstorm1up yeah the game is bad but you are entitled to your opinion I like games that I even consider bad like 3d blast SR because it was fun in it's way but that doesn't make those games good because I like it though I'm not bashing on your opinion because I can care less if you like the game but If it is bad I will call it out for being what it is
@pkstarstorm1up (to PKMNT & PKstar) I despise SR too. I like that the levels in 06 are so big and expansive. That's one of the things about it that I can praise, and wish they'd flesh out more in the later games. I rarely ever got lost. Even if I went this way and that way I'd get to the goal sooner or later without much trouble. Exploring just gave me more to do between the loading screens. Even when I may get lost, I could scale the area pretty quickly with someone like Rouge.
@pkstarstorm1up Secret Rings is definitely worse. I mean, Black Knight is pretty shoddy too, but the music is great, you have more control over where you're going and what you're doing, the other characters have better roles this time, and the atmosphere is quite nice.
@pkstarstorm1up You'll hear what I have to say about the genesis physics when I upload my review in a few days. I'd like to comment on the modern physics, though. For one thing, in crisis city modern, I find it SO much more satisfying to bounce on the enemies, especially the Iblis worms, without even having to use the homing attack. You can bounce along a chain of them without falling or touching the ground. This couldn't be done in 06 or SU, even Colors, but it's fun to do here.
@YHUAN01 No it isn't. Yes the camera was worse then Adventure but it was better then Heroes and Shadow, the game controls very well, it's responsive and precise,........The second half of what you said doesn't make any sence because lot's of platformers have that almost falling animation when on a ledge.
cont. Why are people still bothered by Sonic x Elise, why are people criticizing newer games because of "Green Eyes" (Modern) Sonic, (putting Sonic 4 aside here) Sonic had gradually grown up from Sonic Adventure to Sonic 06, everybody does, heck even MARIO has his changes.
I thought it was Modern who was getting all the hate, Classic was fine I don't know why people are making fun of guys like you just because you like him, it seems as if their was only three groups in the Sonic Fanbase and they all get hate from each other, Like I liked the Idea of Sonic 06 and I was thinking about getting the game, because Sonic Unleashed was a good game and people kept lumping it with 06. I don't see how anyone can hate someone of their own fanbase.
@pkstarstorm1up You don't need to actively search for glitches to find them. It's downright miraculous if you somehow manage to make it through the whole game without brushing up against any. It's just not okay that they're THERE.
@NickonAquaMagna2 Yes you do. There are only three glitches that I encounter without looking for them. The getting stuck on walls with Knuckles and Rouge, falling off the wall in Flame Core, and Omega's Hover ability. The rest of the glitches can only occur if you go out looking for them so it's wrong to complain about something that you glitch out on purpose. But anyway let's not talk about 06, I only brought it up because he did.
@TehComentar Forever grinding? What does that mean? Just press the X button to make Sonic go faster when grinding. Forever falling? There is no forever falling, if you fall into a bottomless pit you lose a life like in any platformer. Indirect placement? That's only in the PS3 version, and that last glitch can only happen if you aren't trying in Wave Ocean. Every other place you have to be trying like crazy to make it happen.
Not just the gameplay either, the story sucks, the graphics are mediocre, the voice acting is cringe-worthy, infact, the only thing this game does right is the music!
@shadowluma Nope. The story is breathtakingly emotionally engaging and epic. the graphics are very nice and expressive, and the voice acting is alright. The game get's an 8.5 from me.
''breathtakingly emotionally engaging ," It might be, if you consider BESTIALITY to be engaging. The game's story is awful and riddled with plot holes, the biggest one being Blaze.
Second, I've seen better graphics on the Wii. The characters aren't expressive and move awkwardly.
Third, the voice acting is garbage. I thought Sonic X had bad acting, but god, this is sad. The biggest offender being Griffith. ( Though, he improved in Unleashed.)
Beastiality is when a Human and an animal have sex and unless my eyes deceive me Sonic and Elise didn't have sex. Furthermore Sonic is only an animal in appearance, in every other aspect he is 100% Human therefore even if Sonic and Elise were to get married and have kids it wouldn't be anymore sick or wrong then a Fox and a Plant (Tails and Cosmo) an Echidna and a Bat (Knuckles and Rouge), a Crocodile and a Rabbit (Vector and Vanilla) and a Hedgehog and a Squrriel (Sonic and Sally in the comics)
@shadowluma There aren't any plot holes in this game. Blaze gets sent to the Sonic Rush dimension because this game takes place before Sonic Rush. The environments are very expressive and beautiful. Sure they are a bit outdated now but they are still good. And no the characters do not move awkardly. The voice acting is standard and is better then it was in previous Sonic games so you can't complain.
Good luck trying to find someone else to protect 06. It's terrible and everyone agree's with me.
1. It's still a plothole. Why would Blaze not try to find a way back? She has the Sol Emeralds, which could travel to the future or, probably, another dimension. It also makes no sense that Sonic goes back to stop the events before they started, thus making Iblis Non-existent. Wouldn't Blaze still be in the future, then?
@shadowluma I've met many people who love 06 like I do. Most fans think it's a good game they just don't speak up about it because of people like you who jump down thier throats and don't let them have an opinion without having a long and tiresome discussion.
No it's not a plothole. She does travel back to Sonic's dimension quite a few times because Silver and her meet up again in the Sonic Rivals series, in Sonic Colors DS, and in Sonic Generations.
I JUST EXPLAINED WHY IT IS A PLOTHOLE, DUMBASS. LEARN TO READ!
Also, what 'Community," are you speaking of? All of the biggest Sonic forums despise 06. It's practically the modern day equivalent to the E-T video game. This stinker costed Sega thousands in losses, so much infact that they don't even mention it anymore. You know a game is bad when the creators are ashamed of it,
@shadowluma No you haven't. That isn't a plothole. They don't mention any of their past games anymore you idiot. This game is not bad, it's a good underrated game and is much better then anything you could ever hope to make.
@pkstarstorm1up Sometimes I see Blaze Grinding in place forever and in others I see Sonic falling in place then dying just by landing on a bridge, Jump panels don't take you to where they should unless you place yourself perfectly in the middle.
@RayAndFlare It's not easy to actually. The only glitches that are easy to find are the Knuckles and Rouge stuck on walls glitch, the falling of a wall glitch in Flame Core, and Omega's Hover glitch.
Sonic is just Sonic; only in different generations. I don't support any kind of Sonic. Just both Classic and Modern are one. I never had a problem with Classic Sonic nor Modern Sonic. In fact both have great games and I hate it when people don't support either one of the two generations.
CesarTeamHYRO 4 days ago
I used to be a HUGE classic sonic but I realized he had his mistakes too. Like those fail stam cartoons and the archie comics, or sonic labyrinth. I learned to respect Modern's concept also. He is pretty funny, especially in Colors, and his voice actor is "ok". But they are the same, so learn to love it amd don't let nostalgia blind you!
thehalowarthog 2 weeks ago
@thehalowarthog Please don't try to pull the nostalgia card on me.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 weeks ago
sonic is sonic
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It shouldn't be so bad to like the classic more than the modern Sonic. Especially if you are like me and grew up with the classic Sonic. However, people are going to have difference of opinion over the slightess detail. When in reality, if you like Sonic, modern or classic, you are a Sonic fan.
ModnartheJuba 1 month ago
I like Classic Sonic. And i don't hate people for liking him. But...
Lets take Mario for an example. Did he need to bring back his classic design in New Super Mario Bros? No. So why does Sonic have to do it?
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul Well, because there's hardly anything about Mario that people may perceive as "ugly", yet even newschool Sonic fans can admit to not liking the way Sonic looks in games Sonic 4 or 2006.
NickonAquaMagna2 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Then what is ugly may i ask? Both he and Mario got more detailed looking when graphics evolved. Simply. Its not like Sonic Team gave Sonic sun glasses and shiny clothes, Or extremely altered his face.
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul Well, for example, while his eyes being a certain color isn't a problem, his pupils have been shrunk. Some would say this makes him looks older or cooler but it just makes him looks a lot less chipper and upbeat than his past self. Also, he sometimes has this wrinkle between his eyes that makes him look really angry and mean, and his smile sometimes looks really forced. The Sonic 4 logo is a great example of this. Like I said, even newschoolers think it's hideous.
NickonAquaMagna2 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 I agree on Modern Sonic's smile and facial expressions. But it also depends on which animator Sonic Team hire to make the 3D art. They could give him a classic smile anyday.
And in the end. They are the same hedgehog. Its just different looks. And its more important to talk about gameplay than appearances. Yet this is such a huge matter these days.
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul
The later Mario games were awesome. Sonics streamlined modern design represents a massive drop of quality.
skinnydipper16 1 month ago
@skinnydipper16 I believe modern Sonic's design "represented" good games as well. Or are people so traumatized by bad memories that they have to yell at anything that wasn't present during the classic era?
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul well no, I'm just giving a reason Mario can get away with it. Modern Sonic is associated with eyecandy and GOTTA GO FAST, while Classic Sonic just gives a feeling of quality gameplay above plot or gimmicks. If you're going to get into reasons about actual looks, I think it's impossible to believe Sonic looks good in Sonic 4, what with his clumsy massive walk stride the lazy last minute circle leg blur add-on.
skinnydipper16 1 month ago
@skinnydipper16 They are the same fucking hedgehog for crying out loud. None of them are different from each other. Sega could give Modern Sonic a classic smile or something anyday.
And once again. Does it really matter how he fucking looks? Does it affect the gameplay!? No.
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul Well yeah it kinda does, I can't really imagine Classic Sonic in Unleashed Daytime gameplay, Modern Sonic fits the part far more, he's more streamlined and seems more appropriate to that sorta of speed.
Also u mad bro
skinnydipper16 1 month ago
@skinnydipper16 I'm not mad. Just tired of people using eye colour as an arguement. It doesn't affect the gameplay the slightest, Gameplay is affected by how its programmed.
Once again. If Mario can use his Modern appearance, So can Sonic. Its fair and simple. Find him ugly if you like. But thats how it is.
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul Because Sonic's classic design is miles different.Mario's has never barely changed.Well,he was yellow in SMB1,but that's about it...
SuperAwesomeTiago 1 month ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Originally Mario's trousers and sweater had the opposite colours. Thats a big change. But does it matter anyway how his eye colours are? NO.
TheSliferSoul 1 month ago
@TheSliferSoul altering a character's outfit and altering a character's face/artstyle are actually very different things.
RayAndFlare 13 hours ago
@RayAndFlare You don't seem to have listened to what i said. Sega can any day the want make classic more like modern, and the opposite.
And like i stated before. Does sonic's physics get worse because of how the character looks? Does modern sonic automatically equal homing attack and racing gameplay? No. Its just a stupid law that you have made up in your minds.
TheSliferSoul 4 hours ago
@TheSliferSoul >Does modern sonic automatically equal homing attack and racing gameplay? well sorta actually~
I'd be fine with all this "THEY'RE THE SAME THING" stuff if we were still on about Sonic 4 but Sega have openly shown they're different by making generations soooo
RayAndFlare 59 minutes ago
@TheSliferSoul Because the Mario fans isn't stupidly divided on every opinion.
NMFlemzy 1 month ago
The people who call modern Sonic "Porqupine Man" can go eff themselves. IM LOOKING AT YOU, raveakidd! (And no, I'm not bias against classic Sonic, I like both Sonics, and I'd play Sonic 1 or Sonic Adventure any day!)
thesega99 1 month ago
@thesega99 So true! Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic are one and the same! Want someone even worse? Iamterminater or something like that thinks that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are two separate characters who don't look anything alike.
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
Now i'm not asking for a video or anything because i know how pissed you get about that and fair enough, i completely understand but perhaps in a comment or something could you give me your opinion on this sonic redesign? youtube(dot)com/watch?v=DW1aRhVscLY&context=C3d5f084ADOEgsToPDskKrQHRlw2gV4fJgwLwuxi2a
SirWillig 1 month ago
@SirWillig I'd love to take a look, but the link doesn't work.
NickonAquaMagna2 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 il pm you the proper link
SirWillig 1 month ago
@SirWillig Can you do that for me too? i'm pretty curious.
poppin7581 1 month ago
@poppin7581 ok
SirWillig 1 month ago
@SirWillig For some reason it doesn't work.
poppin7581 1 month ago
no one is a "Retrofag" if anything there is only Modernfags..... im kidding (but govermentaly it is true 4 gay marriage xD) but if those who call those retrofags can suck it and have a taste of their own medicine.
Jonicvsmario 1 month ago
I grew up with Sonic Adventure (my first Sonic game) so I'm definitely not a "retrofag", and I prefer Classic Sonic's look. Classic Sonic's animations made me smile so much more than Modern Sonic's smartmouth attitude, even though I preferred Modern Sonic's gameplay.
I'm interested Nickon, I thought Modern Sonic's gameplay in this game was better than Classic's, yet no 3D Sonic game to me has been as good as Sonic 2 or 3K. Maybe it's less about gameplay and more about level design? Thoughts?
bubba106 2 months ago
I like classic sonic and im not a retro frag
crazyjc16 2 months ago
@crazyjc16 not everyone who likes Classic Sonic is.
animegamingdude 2 months ago 5
@animegamingdude thanks and they make laph at me because I have gennis
crazyjc16 2 months ago
@crazyjc16
I salute you.
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@thesega99 thanks man
crazyjc16 2 months ago
Also when i say there is no true sonic i mean that modern and classic ARE sonic. both of them are the true sonic.
killak1724 2 months ago
There is no true sonic. In all honesty i never even seperated modern from classic sonic until everyone started too. I personally just assumed sonic got older. I like both models of sonic and I would like them to keep the modern model. It is a fact that modern sonic has had some awful games but it has very little to do with the character and human settings and more to do with crappy gameplay mechanics. That being said sa1,2 and generations are good modern games imo as well as the classics
killak1724 2 months ago 5
@killak1724 Well, I really don't buy the whole "age" thing. To me, Sonic has ALWAYS been fifteen or sixteen. It's just the same guy drawn in two different styles that each give him a certain feel. Personally, I'd LOVE to see a 3D model based on how he was drawn in the Sonic CD anime cutscenes. The spines, the body, the expression, it was all perfect and further fleshed the whole juxtaposition of cutesy and kickass that we know oldschool Sonic for.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago 3
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well its not that I bought into it. I just automatically assumed he got older when i saw sonic 3 and then sonic adventure. Because sonic looks taller and stuff by the time sonic 3 comes around. But i guess I can understand your point. I personally like the modern sonic design(aside from sonic 06 ugh) I dont mind having either sonic i think it just comes down to preference. At least you're respectable when you express your opinion.
killak1724 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Actually in the Japanese Genesis manuals Sonic was listed as being 10 years old. When Sonic Adventure game around he was aged to 15 and now that Sonic Generations has been released and takes place one year after Colors Sonic is now 16.
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
@pkstarstorm1up I don't care what the Japanese say about it. So what if they call Robtnoik Eggman? So what if they think Sonic is a tyke? We're not obliged to do everything exactly the same. We may as well call Bowser "Koopa" just "cause Japan says so". Besides, what's wrong with everyone being drawn in a "kiddy" art style? Modern Sonic isn't even significantly taller than classic, they just have different body proportions.
NickonAquaMagna2 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 You do realise that the Japanese versions are the canon versions? The American made up information in the Genesis manuals aren't canon as they aren't what Sonic Team created and/or agrees on. The creators say he's 10 from Sonic 1 to Sonic 3&K, 15 from Sonic Adventure to Sonic Colors, and 16 from Sonic Generations onwards.
Nothing is wrong with it but once you change to a more realistic and expressive art style you realise how much cooler and better it looks
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 then the original art styles. Again I have no problem with people liking Classic Sonic's design more. I only dislike people who obsess over the design and act as if a character design is a really important reason to buy a game and what makes the game good (@Mariotehplumber, Gligar13vids, Gamedude ect.)
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
@pkstarstorm1up About the character designs, lemme just say I don't see how making Sonic taller made him "more expressive". His face is pretty much the same, aside from a few changes like irises an' whatnot. Changing the way a character looks simply for the sake of doing so does not automatically make it "better". By that logic, putting him in a tutu would be an improvement just because it changes SOMETHING. It's HOW you change them that can truly add something to the character.
NickonAquaMagna2 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 But they did add something to the character. They gave him a personality unlike in the Genesis games where his only trait was impatience.
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
@pkstarstorm1up he always had personallity, based off of Bill Cliton's " get it done" attitude. That was one of the things that made him iconic, esspecially in the early nineties, along with the speed, platforming etc. The gameplay back then was and still is the main core of the series.
poppin7581 1 month ago
@poppin7581 The Sonic Adventure style of gameplay is the best in my opinion. Yeah but that's not much of a personality. When you go into a 3D realm you need to have a 3 Dimensional personality (unless you want to go the Mario, Link, and Kirby route.)
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
@pkstarstorm1up Ok, good for you then. Kirby and Mario, I can understand, but link? He actually has personallity. Action speaks louder than words.
poppin7581 1 month ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 And with the Bowser Koopa thing that is different as he is called Bowser in Japan now. The same with Eggman/Ivo Robotnik. Eggman is his nickname and Ivo Robotnik is his real name.
pkstarstorm1up 1 month ago
WHERE IZ DA IBLIS TRIGGA???
PKMNTrainerTyson 2 months ago
My whole opinion in one video! Congrats!
hypersonic123456 2 months ago
this isn't really the vid to be asking this but are u a dbz fan
1LanieBug1 2 months ago
@1LanieBug1 Yep.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
What's a word for...um...how can I explain this...
"someone who's racist against a certain video game franchise"
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@skellington15 No idea.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
>Says that Classic Sonic being cute is the only reason to like
>Says that Modern Sonic looking cool is the worst reason to like.
:HYPOCRISY ALARM!: :HYPOCRISY ALARM!:
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 What? Is being "cool" really so much more important than being genuinely likeable? Classic Sonic is a quirky juxtaposition of badass AND cute. It sounds like it should be impossible to take such a character seriously, but he's unique. Being badass for the sake of being as badass as possible is just shallow and vain. It's like overcompensating for what is otherwise a bland character by creating this illusion that being "cool" is all it takes to make someone interesting.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Classic Sonic isn't badass. Just cute, and Sonic is not cute. Modern Sonic is cool, and his design is fun and intriguing.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 He's cute because of his design but cool because of his attitude. It's so much more fun seeing him wag a finger and smirk or scowl than seeing modern Sonic do it. Like I said, the total clash between cutesy and cool contained in classic Sonic is what makes him appealing, for some moreso than modern Sonic. He isn't "just" cute. When modern Sonic acts like a punk, it's hardly a surprise, so it really isn't that interesting. When classic Sonic does it, he stands out.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 He never looked that way to me. Classic Sonic just hoped around with his wide-eyed expression and did Looney Tunes-style antics. It just wasn't Sonic. Modern Sonic was cocky, but he in general had a very likable personality. Besides, in terms of game play (in Generations) Modern Sonic could do so much more and it felt more fun to play as him.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 We're talking about character design and behavior, not gameplay (I honestly thought both played just fine in Generations).
You're just going to have to accept that different people see things in different ways. Sorry if "baby Sonic" isn't cool enough to meet your standard of a "good" character, but that's your own taste, and this is mine, though I did used to share your attitude some years ago.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well I was wondering when you'd learn it because it looks like to me you try to force us that Classic Sonic is somehow better than Modern Sonic. That the daytime stages are the worst video game ever, and Sonic is some cutesy nature fanatic.
To be honest Classic Sonic to me is just okay. But Modern Sonic blows him out of the water. All retrofags (not including you) will just halve to grow up.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Being more powerful or badass or whatever doesn't make modern Sonic "better". I just think classic Sonic, and his gameplay, are a lot more UNIQUE then modern Sonic. It's easy to make a character that's all over the top in your face totally radical extreme whatever that whizzes by everything like crazy. This is a case where less is more, at least for me. I used to think otherwise, but have since... well... "grown up".
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2
I'm not sure I get this. Generations' modern model melds classic and modern together quite well IMHO. Its just they tend to focus more on the cool side much more than the cute side. (image coming through PM)
See this image. I think Sonic looks pretty sweet. Like a larger version of classic Sonic. The differences between the character models are tiny. Its they way they animate them, that makes any /real/ difference.
scartillery 2 months ago
@scartillery Makes alot of sence to me.
poppin7581 2 months ago
@scartillery im still playing the classic (via the nintendo wii) and i actually prefer classic over modern but I still like modern
p.s thanks for my opinion being on the vid :)
lol76172 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Grow up? So your definition of growing up is liking an emo teenager in the form of an animal?
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago By grow up I mean quit living in the past, accept that Modern Sonic is the true Sonic, and there are other good Sonic games outside of the "genesis" collection.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 First of all,the "real" Sonic,is the classic Sonic because that's how he was drawn first,before the franchsie turned into an emofest.
Second,I personaly,am open to like any Sonic games that has actual levels instead of race tracks.If you watch this guy's reviews,you know what I'm talking about.
Just because you prefer a certain design,it doesn't mean you need to "grow up"
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago No, the real sonic is Modern Sonic because that's the design that Sega has been using and will be using longer. Besides, Classic Sonic in generations is pointless, really.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Modern Sonic is the real Sonic RIGHT NOW.
The real in an original way is classic Sonic because he came out first and that's how Sega wanted him to be like.
The people who made classic Sonic just quit Sega,thus modern Sonic is born and the franchise becomes an emo teeny storybook.
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Oh come on, Sega changed Sonic intentionally, they didn't want Sonic to be one form or the other.
Also, quit with the "emo teen" crap. It's way more entertaining than, oh, I don't know, saving animals in some environmental message? Lame.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Hm.So apparently you're now expressing that Sonic saving the envoirniment and caring for people other than yourself is not as "cool" as kissing a random human princess.You know,because we need humans mixed with cartoon animals,because that's badass and cool somehow.
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Sonic always cared for others. And saving the environment, Wow! this will get kids on like Donkey Kong it's so damn interesting! Ha, ha ha- I think not.
What ever happened to simply "saving the world" and all that good stuff? Oh, Sonic isn't a super hero, no, he's a way for kids to give a damn about nature even though that message has been shoved down their throats at every other corner.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Apparently,Sonic was just trying to "save nature" in the classics.Which means he went to space and actually bothered to try to save THE WORLD FROM BEING RULED BY DR. ROBOTNIK because he felt like it,right?
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Look, just stop. No matter how much I throw at you. You retrofags are stuck in this delusion that saving bunny rabbits is more impressive than saving the human race. Sonic is best in his Modern state. It appalls me that people could actually say such a thing. Unless you have a logical statement to why I'm wrong, then GTFO.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Translation: Newfag can't take opinions.I will leave now,I can never win arguments with newfags because they always go cry for mommy due to running out of facts.
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago "Newfags" isn't even a word. The correct term is "Sonic Fan" because Modern Sonic fans are real Sonic fans. Retrofags should do the real Sonic fans a favor and move on to another hobby or interest and leave the fandom to those who actually like what they are part of as opposed to hate it.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 I read your comment.I laughed.
I saw your avatar.I laughed.
This is why YouTube is for ages +13.
And I'm off.
SuperAwesomeTiago 2 months ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Your beliefs make me laugh. Done.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 You are a narrow minded asshole. You claim to be grown up, but you're unwilling to accept any idea other your own of whatever Sonic "should" be.
Sonic is an animal. Not a human. Copy and pasting him into a human city is not creative. Having him save his own kind from Robotnik is fitting, but you act like it's "too cliche' and childish" or some shit.
I honestly don't mind the idea of Sonic protecting EVEYONE, but your attitude is "fuck the flickies". MAH Sawnik is BASASS!!!"
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well excuuuuuuuuse me for arguing with a troll. Its more like the people who don't like Modern Sonic because of his design are the ones who need to grow up.
Sonic isn't an animal, he's an anthropomorph, meaning he's pretty much fair game. And you say that saving nature isn't cliche? Jeez, I wonder who else could have possibly done it? Avatar? Ferngully? Mario? Rayman? Captain Planet? Nah, Sonic is surely the only one to represent that idea! *derp*
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 (continued) Sonic isn't supposed to be badass, he's just a good hearted soul who wants to do what's best for the world. Leave the badassness to Shadow.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Why is it not okay for certain ideas to be used if they've already been used "too much" for other products? Avatar and most of that stuff is irrelevant. Sonic came out 2 decades ago and it more or less just turned out that way. The reason it doesn't seem at all "contrived" or "cliche" for Sonic to defend nature is, cause, well, he's a part of it. Anthromorph, whatever you wanna call him. He's basically a big mutant flicky, and so are his friends. It's only "natural" for him.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Well ask Doug Walker when in his review for Distri- okay fine, wrong example.To me it seems like nature has been used WAY to much in platformers like Mario and Rayman. I like Sonic in a different setting because that's what makes him unique, he's a platformer that has nothing to do with nature.
HFAlpha7 2 months ago
@HFAlpha7 Sonic was very much portrayed as a 'badass in is debut in the early 90s. Though the word 'badass' is over used and isn't the best word here. I'd go with 'daredevil'.
NMFlemzy 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Do you think that sonic being around humans in general is a negative or do you think it just could have been handled better? I for one dont mind him being on earth with humans so long as its handled well and doesnt come off as too serious or too goofy.
killak1724 2 months ago
I think many of Modern Sonic fans are being the most annoying (the ones who keeps bitching about it). For example when I commented on a Sonic 4 trailer about classic sonic some douche replied to me and he said "NNNOOOOOO!! CLASEEK SANIC IS STOOPID! DOANT JOO DAERE INSULT HEEM! I WANNA KEEL YOUU!". Im fucking serious. The same thing happened when I said that I liked AoStH over Sonic X.
DrewPicklesOgre 2 months ago
also, EVERY sonic game made after the Genesis generation has essentially been a fucking racing game. I mean seriously, listen to me, it gives you point's for drifting, etc. THE NEW SONIC GAMES ARE ESSENTIALLY NEED FOR SPEED FOR FURRIES.
newyorkment 2 months ago
@newyorkment In the genesis games, there was always a good blend of speed, platforming and exploring. What we need is a 3D game that reflects the classics and maintains that balance. Sonic Unleashed's daytime stages had too much speed, and very little of the other things needed for a consistent Sonic game. However, Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure 1 (not 2) and most of the modern stages in Generations DO maintain that healthy blend. It's rarely seen done right, but 3D CAN work.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
I grew up on the classic Sonic, but I never really got into the new sonic games. The way I see it, Sonic was never meant to be in 3D. They just started printing out next-gen console 3D games under the dying Sonic franchise to profit off of dumb kids. I am mainly a Genesis and Sonic fan, but I must say that Mario made a better transition to 3D platformers. Once you traverse into the 3D platformer realm, speed isn't as important. It's more about hidden features, complex puzzles, unlockables, etc.
newyorkment 2 months ago
because new sonic is better then old sonic
NarutoRocks2011 2 months ago
@NarutoRocks2011 Um.... why? They both seemed just fine in Generations.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
i like both the same, but i like classic sonics gameplay better and he is cuter, even though i grew up with the modern games like sadx and sa2, but after playing with him in sonic generations, i feel he has better exploration and and the most platforming,if i was in the mood for speeding around i would play modern sonic.
sonadver9912 2 months ago
@sonadver9912 Well, I do think Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure 1 and the modern stages of Generations are pretty swell. The daytime stages are just a series of empty hallways to mindlessly boost through, but it is possible to have good 3D Sonic gameplay.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 i can say that the modern stages and sadx were awesome, explortional but classic is more platformish and explorational than modern thats all i am saying. and as for the daytime stages i think sega were thinking to make the speed part of it in them and all the platforming and exploration in the werehog.
sonadver9912 2 months ago
When is it wrong to like classic sonic?
3FrogBrosCartoons 2 months ago
staying on topic, i actually really like classic sonic's design. Its not that different and I have no real preference. If people like classic sonic's design better then thats fine but when people completely hate on either sonic, thats no good! Btw I need to watch the other videos, being a sonic fan im naturally attracted to sonic videos (no homo and no furry) But il check out the other stuff and leave a comment every so often
SirWillig 2 months ago
i gotta admit, im guilty of pestering this guy when it comes to sonic. I like both sonics but overall im more of a modern fan. I can make compromises.
SirWillig 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 you know what. i never noticed that before. but when you talked about it you showed us the speed boosters littered across the level.
supersonicdrawer 2 months ago
@BeastGamer101 the retarded fanbase should not be able to drive you away from the actual games, if you really are a true sonic fan then the fanbase shouldn't influence your judgement on the franchise. Just play the games and let the childish idiots argue
Renzythegreat91 2 months ago
I don't really care if people prefer classic over modern but when those idiots constantly bash modern sonic and his fans over and over again then it gets annoying, same thing goes for the modern fans. I actually grew up with Sonic in the Genesis days but I prefer Modern over Classic, this fanbase is soo confused and fucked up lol
Renzythegreat91 2 months ago
Sonic 06 has to many glitches I mean they're there if they're there it's inexcusable because they shouldn't be you shouldn't get stuck on a wall for no reason you shouldn't just randomly fall off a stage to find yourself stuck in the free fall frames scripted events should not have fails and glitches teleporting is not fun jump panels should take you where they're intended to not falling short and then you die you shouldn't go through walls as if they aren't there the laws of physics
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 should exist especially if they were using the Havok engine greatest offender was the yeah this makes sense glitch the game is bad it just is if it was polished it'd be descent at best because story was bad not well written and camera bull shit horrid controls bad rail system and levels that are just too long
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 The game's physics are better then Unleasheds and Heroes. The only free fall scripted event is in the Wave Ocean Mach Speed Zone. The are hardly any glitches that happen without the player making it happen on purpose. The story was breathtaking and very epic.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
Even if Sonic Next Gen had no Glitches, there would still Camera Issues, Sometimes-Slippery Controls, bad Collision Detection and some Frustratingly long Levels.
PKMNTrainerTyson 2 months ago
@PKMNTrainerTyson I like long levels. They are fun, and the controls are only slippery on the PS3 version. And the Camera issues are less annoying then they were in Heroes and Shadow.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up If the Long Levels had less Repetitive Combat then maybe it would've been Fun, but even when they get the Platforming it's a Painfully Long Maze that takes forever to beat because the Game won't give you a Clue on where to go (Tropical Jungle, etc.).
I still had trouble Controlling Sonic or Co. when they were Running Fast from a Dash Panel.
And the Camera still sucks.
PKMNTrainerTyson 2 months ago
@PKMNTrainerTyson The Homing Attack, Bounce Attack, Sliding kick, and regular kick are not boring combat moves. It's fun to explore and figure out where to go on your own. Tropical Jungle is a very good and fun level.
Have you ever thought that maybe the reason you can't control them is because you just suck at the game?
As long as it's better then previous installments the camera shouldn't be fussed over.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up The Homing Attack is Stupid, all you do is press the Same Button again and again. The Bounce is nowhere near as fun as it was in SA2, the Kick Attacks don't add much either.
And the Level's ridiculosly huge so People get Lost and it takes Forever to Beat it because the Developers never intended to give you a direction on where to go...you just...go, that's it.
As I said before, the Game's Easy and I can beat it. But there are many Problems that make it a Pain. (Continued...)
PKMNTrainerTyson 2 months ago
@PKMNTrainerTyson The Homing Attack works much better then it does in the previous Sonic games so you can't complain, the Bounce Attack is exactly the same as in SA2 so don't lie. The Kick Attacks added a good amount.
That's why it's fun. It's fun to figure out where to go on your own without having to be told where to go. Tropical Jungle is a good level and only someone with no sense of direction would get lost in it more then once.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@PKMNTrainerTyson (to PKMNT & PKstar) I actually like that the levels in 06 are so big and expansive. That's one of the things about it that I can praise, and wish they'd flesh out more in the later games. I rarely ever got lost. Even if I went this way and that way I'd get to the goal sooner or later without much trouble. Exploring just gave me more to do between the loading screens. Even when I may get lost, I could scale the area pretty quickly with someone like Rouge.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up (Part 2)
It's not. I never got lost in Heroes or Shadow. In Next Gen, the Camera spazzes out sometimes, can lead you to Death because it wasn't pointing at the Direction people are supposed to be Running along, etc.
PKMNTrainerTyson 2 months ago
@PKMNTrainerTyson Yes it is. In Heroes and Shadow the Camera can make it really easy to run off a ledge and into a bottomless pit and losing a life. In 06 the camera simply turns you around for a split second. Also since you can reset the camera at any time there is hardly any mess up's with it outside of Flame Core.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up dude the game is bad legitimately bad the camera was worse than adventure and I thought that was the worst camera of all sonic games second bad controls shadow the hedgehog Shadow automatically stops himself from falling off a ledge at any speed he is running at he stop almost fall off the ledge flail his arms and foot to keep his balance and pull back saving you from falling off heroes and sa2 had it but not while running at full speed the homing attack was best in adventrue
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 series until sonic and the secret rings using the lock on cursor to guide to which enemy was in range combat was boring and repetitive in 06 in unleashed you could at least upgrade and level up with more combos and what not the levels are too big shadow the hedgehog had the perfect level size big but not so big you could remotely get lost not even in death ruins seriously how could you defend a purposely done piece of shit called Sonic the Hedgehog (06) it's bad and you know it
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 Secret Rings is an abomination to the franchise. You have no control over Sonic as everything is on rails, the levels are horribly linear, and there is no platforming, the combat was not boring in 06. The levels are the perfect size and all Sonic games should have big levels like 06 does because it's fun to explore and move around in them. Sonic 06 is an awesome game and you know it you terdball.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up says you.
animegamingdude 2 months ago
@animegamingdude You have no place in this conversation.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up what's wrong with me speaking my mind? If you like Sonic 06, that's fine, but I don't like it.
animegamingdude 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up I never said secret rings was a good game but it was programmed much better than 06 and 06 had a rail system at certain points during the game and all rail systems are linear dumb fuck hence it's a rail system any who looks up a game they want to buy would know what type of gameplay is in a game sonic games shouldn't have levels that are so big you have no clue where to go when you first play SA you knew where to go and it was a descent size as well
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 but when you have to "explore" just to find out where the hell you need to go that draws the line and secret rings did have some platforming in it wasn't a big part since it's on a rail system but there was some platforming pirate storm level is a good example of platforming in the game and it force to use the jump dash like 06 did for platforming purposes
YHUAN01 2 months ago
06 is much better programed then Secret Rings is. 06 has hardly any on rails portions outside of the Mach Speed Zones and even then those control much better then all of Secret Rings does. Secret Rings also has horrible jump and homing attack mechanics. That's how levels are supposed to be. You are supposed to figure out where to go on your own without any direction.That's what makes them fun to explore and makes them great. SA is a better game then 06 but 06 is better then most 3D Sonic games.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up exploring is done to have fun to be made as a chore to do just to beat a level not the game but the levels SatSR is programmed better there aren't any glitches that proves that it was programmed better the jumping wasn't bad awkward at first but I never really had trouble with it the lock on with the homing attack made that game completely possible if they didn't have it the game would be badly programmed 06 is the worst sonic game it has the lowest ratings out of them all
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 sonic games should be like the modern stages of generations and some parts being like shadow the hedgehog and the adventure series
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 It is fun. It isn't a chore. Secret Rings is much more of a chore to play then 06 is because 06 is actually fun. Sonic 06 is nowhere near the worst Sonic game. That honor belongs to Sonic Labryinth for the 2D games and Secret Rings for the 3D games. Ratings mean nothing seeing as how most of the reviewers out there are biased against 3D Sonic games. Besides that just because the majority of people think something that doesn't mean that they are right or that it is true.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 Anyway can we please just agree to disagree? Because I am tired of talking about this seeing as how it is likely to annoying @NickonAquaMagna2 and I'd rather not be blocked by him.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up yeah the game is bad but you are entitled to your opinion I like games that I even consider bad like 3d blast SR because it was fun in it's way but that doesn't make those games good because I like it though I'm not bashing on your opinion because I can care less if you like the game but If it is bad I will call it out for being what it is
YHUAN01 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up (to PKMNT & PKstar) I despise SR too. I like that the levels in 06 are so big and expansive. That's one of the things about it that I can praise, and wish they'd flesh out more in the later games. I rarely ever got lost. Even if I went this way and that way I'd get to the goal sooner or later without much trouble. Exploring just gave me more to do between the loading screens. Even when I may get lost, I could scale the area pretty quickly with someone like Rouge.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Which game do you think is worse, Secret Rings or Black Knight and why?
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up Secret Rings is definitely worse. I mean, Black Knight is pretty shoddy too, but the music is great, you have more control over where you're going and what you're doing, the other characters have better roles this time, and the atmosphere is quite nice.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 So despite the physics being poor in Sonic 4 episode 1 do you still think it succeeds in speed and platforming?
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up Sure. There are too many speed boosters an' whatnot, but that's only because the physics are crap.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Would you consider Sonic Generations physics to be good?
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up You'll hear what I have to say about the genesis physics when I upload my review in a few days. I'd like to comment on the modern physics, though. For one thing, in crisis city modern, I find it SO much more satisfying to bounce on the enemies, especially the Iblis worms, without even having to use the homing attack. You can bounce along a chain of them without falling or touching the ground. This couldn't be done in 06 or SU, even Colors, but it's fun to do here.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@YHUAN01 No it isn't. Yes the camera was worse then Adventure but it was better then Heroes and Shadow, the game controls very well, it's responsive and precise,........The second half of what you said doesn't make any sence because lot's of platformers have that almost falling animation when on a ledge.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
> Sonic 06
> Fun
> Under-rated
Excuse me I need to laugh.
ZioIsPwnzor 2 months ago
@ZioIsPwnzor No you don't because it's the truth.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
cont. Why are people still bothered by Sonic x Elise, why are people criticizing newer games because of "Green Eyes" (Modern) Sonic, (putting Sonic 4 aside here) Sonic had gradually grown up from Sonic Adventure to Sonic 06, everybody does, heck even MARIO has his changes.
TehComentar 2 months ago
I thought it was Modern who was getting all the hate, Classic was fine I don't know why people are making fun of guys like you just because you like him, it seems as if their was only three groups in the Sonic Fanbase and they all get hate from each other, Like I liked the Idea of Sonic 06 and I was thinking about getting the game, because Sonic Unleashed was a good game and people kept lumping it with 06. I don't see how anyone can hate someone of their own fanbase.
TehComentar 2 months ago
@TehComentar You should definitly get 06. It's is a really fun underrated game.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up Underrated? seriously? I seen so many vids of Sonic dying simply from glitches.
TehComentar 2 months ago
@TehComentar Those glitches can only happen if the player goes out looking for them. It's a really fun game once you get good at it.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up You don't need to actively search for glitches to find them. It's downright miraculous if you somehow manage to make it through the whole game without brushing up against any. It's just not okay that they're THERE.
NickonAquaMagna2 2 months ago
@NickonAquaMagna2 Yes you do. There are only three glitches that I encounter without looking for them. The getting stuck on walls with Knuckles and Rouge, falling off the wall in Flame Core, and Omega's Hover ability. The rest of the glitches can only occur if you go out looking for them so it's wrong to complain about something that you glitch out on purpose. But anyway let's not talk about 06, I only brought it up because he did.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up What about the forever grinding, forever falling, indirect placement and morphing through land glitches?
TehComentar 2 months ago
@TehComentar Forever grinding? What does that mean? Just press the X button to make Sonic go faster when grinding. Forever falling? There is no forever falling, if you fall into a bottomless pit you lose a life like in any platformer. Indirect placement? That's only in the PS3 version, and that last glitch can only happen if you aren't trying in Wave Ocean. Every other place you have to be trying like crazy to make it happen.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up
Face it:
Sonic 06 SUCKS.
Not just the gameplay either, the story sucks, the graphics are mediocre, the voice acting is cringe-worthy, infact, the only thing this game does right is the music!
shadowluma 2 months ago
@shadowluma Nope. The story is breathtakingly emotionally engaging and epic. the graphics are very nice and expressive, and the voice acting is alright. The game get's an 8.5 from me.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up
''breathtakingly emotionally engaging ," It might be, if you consider BESTIALITY to be engaging. The game's story is awful and riddled with plot holes, the biggest one being Blaze.
Second, I've seen better graphics on the Wii. The characters aren't expressive and move awkwardly.
Third, the voice acting is garbage. I thought Sonic X had bad acting, but god, this is sad. The biggest offender being Griffith. ( Though, he improved in Unleashed.)
shadowluma 2 months ago
Beastiality is when a Human and an animal have sex and unless my eyes deceive me Sonic and Elise didn't have sex. Furthermore Sonic is only an animal in appearance, in every other aspect he is 100% Human therefore even if Sonic and Elise were to get married and have kids it wouldn't be anymore sick or wrong then a Fox and a Plant (Tails and Cosmo) an Echidna and a Bat (Knuckles and Rouge), a Crocodile and a Rabbit (Vector and Vanilla) and a Hedgehog and a Squrriel (Sonic and Sally in the comics)
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@shadowluma There aren't any plot holes in this game. Blaze gets sent to the Sonic Rush dimension because this game takes place before Sonic Rush. The environments are very expressive and beautiful. Sure they are a bit outdated now but they are still good. And no the characters do not move awkardly. The voice acting is standard and is better then it was in previous Sonic games so you can't complain.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up
Good luck trying to find someone else to protect 06. It's terrible and everyone agree's with me.
1. It's still a plothole. Why would Blaze not try to find a way back? She has the Sol Emeralds, which could travel to the future or, probably, another dimension. It also makes no sense that Sonic goes back to stop the events before they started, thus making Iblis Non-existent. Wouldn't Blaze still be in the future, then?
shadowluma 2 months ago
@shadowluma I've met many people who love 06 like I do. Most fans think it's a good game they just don't speak up about it because of people like you who jump down thier throats and don't let them have an opinion without having a long and tiresome discussion.
No it's not a plothole. She does travel back to Sonic's dimension quite a few times because Silver and her meet up again in the Sonic Rivals series, in Sonic Colors DS, and in Sonic Generations.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@shadowluma
I JUST EXPLAINED WHY IT IS A PLOTHOLE, DUMBASS. LEARN TO READ!
Also, what 'Community," are you speaking of? All of the biggest Sonic forums despise 06. It's practically the modern day equivalent to the E-T video game. This stinker costed Sega thousands in losses, so much infact that they don't even mention it anymore. You know a game is bad when the creators are ashamed of it,
shadowluma 2 months ago
@shadowluma No you haven't. That isn't a plothole. They don't mention any of their past games anymore you idiot. This game is not bad, it's a good underrated game and is much better then anything you could ever hope to make.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up Sometimes I see Blaze Grinding in place forever and in others I see Sonic falling in place then dying just by landing on a bridge, Jump panels don't take you to where they should unless you place yourself perfectly in the middle.
TehComentar 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up Oh yeah and guess what? I only have a PS3!!!111
TehComentar 2 months ago
@pkstarstorm1up But if it's so easy to find a glitch on Sonic 06 that is not the sign of a well programmed game :o
RayAndFlare 2 months ago
@RayAndFlare It's not easy to actually. The only glitches that are easy to find are the Knuckles and Rouge stuck on walls glitch, the falling of a wall glitch in Flame Core, and Omega's Hover glitch.
pkstarstorm1up 2 months ago
Gligarvids says Modern sucks just because he never bothered to learn how to hold down the boost button.
TehComentar 2 months ago