Orenda test at S&S turbines : VERY LOUD

[crudeoilsystems]

nice footage

[fatlady57]

@STRATCAT101 on top of that, it was going to be a internal bomb bay design, if i remember correctl, when i was reading it some 13-15 years ago. my computer/social studies teacher where discussing the project in class. my classmates did'nt know what to do for the whole period LOL!!! oh yea my teacher was american, that served in the Nam wars, after that he got he's canadian citizenship. i used to joke your pretty smart for an american. he'd laughed and go red.

[ThePizzahero1]

SS Turbines - Quality made in the German Reich

[aruju01]

@ThePizzahero1 "SS" would be ShutzStaffen. S&S is maned after the founders, first letter of their last names.

So no, S&S Turbine Services Ltd. is purely Canadian in origin.

[ThePizzahero1]

@aruju01 Of course I knew about that, I'm from germany :D

Please don't think all germans are still nazi's, S&S just reminded me of "SS"

By the way, it's "Schutzstaffel". Nice video anyways.

[Antithropocentric]

Jets are basically huge CO2 sources.

[AgentJayZ]

@Antithropocentric so are people, cars, and decaying piles of waste

[wildsurfer48]

@AgentJayZ cows are the worst though :/

[warmfreeze]

@Antithropocentric if you would like to reduce carbon emissions...quit breathing.

[AgentJayZ]

@warmfreeze ...and that other thing, too!

[greatwhitenorth112]

@warmfreeze we are carbon based life forms but we don't exhale carbon

[AgentJayZ]

@greatwhitenorth112 I think somewhere down the line there will be a huge problem because all the politicians are earnestly creating so many laws to control "carbon". What they mean to say is carbon dioxide, which is about as different as you can get from carbon... no it's not semantics... it's the real world.

If you can call carbon dioxide carbon, then I can call gasoline bacon.

Mmmmm, bacon.

I've been an environmentalist since I was six, and that was a long time ago.

[greatwhitenorth112]

@AgentJayZ your parents neglected you 

[AgentJayZ]

@greatwhitenorth112 Not enough bacon...

[mobius1aic]

@AgentJayZ Mmmmmmmmm bacon. "Typical bacon" I hope, not Canadian bacon, which is good, but not the same!

[nakazatoGTR]

@Antithropocentric shut up until you have better source of aircraft power for the mean time support clean nuke power.

[1MtnBoy]

@Antithropocentric much more fuel-efficient than that car your driving around every day....................

[Einheitskreis]

Do you know what curve the big inlet flare follows? Exponential, hyperbolical or something else?

greetings from germany

[AgentJayZ]

@Einheitskreis I believe ours is a simple single radius, but the ideal is a hyperbolic

[STRATCAT101]

WHY DIDN'T WE SCRAP DIEFENBAKER AND KEEP THE AVRO ARROW.THE ARROW WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLANE AND WAY AHEAD OF ITS TIME. .COULD YOU IMAGINE IF WE DID KEEP THE ARROW AND HOW MUCH MORE ADVANCED IT WOULD BE TODAY?THE ARROW WOULD OWN THE SKIES.I THINK THE U.S. PRESSURED DIEFENBAKER INTO KILLING THE ARROW.ITS REALLY SAD,IF ONLY WE HAD A STRONGER PRIME MINISTER THAT WOULD HAVE SAID F.U. ITS OURS AND WERE KEEPING IT!!

[YELLOWxSNOW]

i liked the part where it made noise

[1IronMaiden123]

what does this engine propel? i dont know much about jet engines yet, and sorry for crappy english of mine

[AgentJayZ]

@1IronMaiden123 It was used in the 40's and 50's to power the Avro Canuck CF-100, a Canadian designed and built interceptor. This is an industrial version of the same engine, and it runs on the ground, powering natural gas compression or electrical generation.

[humanimalnz]

mmmm I want one!

[frostyupnorth]

Nice to see the old beast again. I worked on and around OTF-3's at Pickering Nuclear Station where we used them as standby gen sets. At 4160 volts we'd get about 5 Megs in summer and 9 in winter. Don't forget its a gas producer section not a compressor. I can still hear that wind up to 800 RPM then click click click of the igniters and then woomph, light off. Good times. Thanks for posting. Cheers,Bill

[pauljames00]

das not loud...

[Gamidia]

Thanks for sharing!

[cougar331]

which engine is this.. the orenda? or the iroquis?

[AgentJayZ]

@cougar331 Orenda first built the "Orenda Turbojet", called the type 8, type 11, and then the type 14. They also built an industrial version of it called the OTF-3. This is an OTF-3 with some Type 14 parts installed.

The second engine Orenda built was the Iroquois. This engine is not one of those.

[rockerzac99]

kinda looks like a derwent that was streched out

[JeepYJJunkie]

Thanks for damaging my ears and my headphones.

[AgentJayZ]

@JeepYJJunkie This was my very first video made for Youtube. I didn't know how to do any editing very well. I didn't fade in or control the sound.

I could change it and re-upload it, but then it would be a new video.

i'm keeping this one up because it was my first.

I'm counting on people reading the title before clicking on it.

[happyhardcoreuk]

call me stupid but how the hell do those engines stay on the platform?

[AgentJayZ]

@happyhardcoreuk The green frame is structural steel, embedded in a concrete slab.

The engine is mounted in the frame.

[vansjunkie]

@happyhardcoreuk stupid

[Annoyingthing321]

Sounds like my aunt

[jckgoldness]

how can someone even stand near that even with ear protection

[AgentJayZ]

@jckgoldness

Answer 1) Jet people are just that tough.  2) Ear protection really works!

[K1w1scot]

@jckgoldness Actually, they're not that loud standing right beside them. Fore and aft, however... In front, hoorishly noisy at low at ground idle and aft...bloody horrendous at full tit...if they're anything like Viper 680's that is

[ShokaLion]

@jckgoldness At Rolls-Royce, it's possible to stand in the same test cell as an engine running at full power with relatively standard ear defenders on. It's loud, but it's easily bearable. These test cells are indoors too, so the noise would be even greater.

[HapticX]

ever lose a blade?

[AgentJayZ]

Well, these are engine tests, not exhibitions...

[HapticX]

as you do much rebuild and refit, i would guess your inspections are quite thorough as well. that would preclude most failures. these are great videos!

[shariotoflove]

@AgentJayZ, i think he meant in the tests.

[DARKSCOPE001]

ouch how does that man stand there without any ear protection? i got to do a full power run on a allison 250 (dont ask what model because i forget) and at full power i think i would have been right at the threshold of pain without my ear protection

[AgentJayZ]

Everybody in this video is wearing ear protection. Those little decidamps are hard to see.

This old engine makes about 25 times the power of a C20-B, and the noise is probably beyond the threshold of pain up close without ear protection.

[chair5432]

that's kind of a rare one

[Rick0rz]

id run my hand past it for £50

[AgentJayZ]

Where?

and at what power level?

At ten yards back, and at idle, it feels like 100mph wind coming straight off a campfire, and it will burn your hand.

Don't ask me how I know that one!

[Rick0rz]

full power past the back lol run past it for £100

[GrandCaymancpkid]

oh....i sworn i took one of those out of my truck....no wonder it's not working.

[PsuPepperoni]

increasing the volume doesn't improve the sound quality

[Exagerative]

Your even cooler to watch this engine video seriously.

[MyCarlover]

is it possible that you get suck by the jets?

[AgentJayZ]

It is possible, but only if you do things we don't do.

At idle, there is not a lot of airflow, but we are always at least 5 feet away from the intake at idle.

At max power, we keep about 20 feet away from the intake at minimum.

20 yards would hardly be far enough it were a modern turbofan, but it isn't.

These turbojets move about one tenth as much air as a modern Turbofan.

We may look casual, but we are careful.

[FrapsChannel]

When it's playing, suddenly pause it. It's amazing! Lol.

[bmx1956]

i just blew out one of my skullcandy headphones lol

[aaronchungrulez]

the intake looks like a giant airhorn haha

[evilintel]

Did this come of of a CF-100?

[Jimderkaisser]

He was designed for the CF-105 not CF-100.

[AgentJayZ]

Thanks for the info. Totally incorrect.

This is an industrial variant of the Orenda type 8, which was used in the Avro CF-100.

The Avro arrow, or CF-105 was to have used the next engine designed and built by Orenda. It was called the Iroquois.

This is not an Iroquois engine.

[Jimderkaisser]

Whops sorry

[AgentJayZ]

A lot of people want this to be an Iroquois, and I'm one of them.

Sadly it isn't.

Rumors are that there is one left, in a museum in Ontario.

It was "disabled" to prevent any attempts at running it.

We could repair it and make it run.

[Jimderkaisser]

I wonder why the Government of Canada don't want reconstructed the CF-105 and the Iroquois, just to see the performance of the aircraft. They broke the plane before they test the aircraft with the Iroquois. You can repair the engine free of charge, like a donation for canadian heritage.

[tiggrr2]

There are apparently 2 iroquois units in Canada , and two more in a warehouse in the UK .

We should look at "repairing" one and see what it can do !

[AgentJayZ]

I've only heard of one, but if there are more, then we should get one running.

I guarantee we could get one of them running at full power ( not just idling) if it was sent here to Jet City.

[CFpwns]

Out of the question those are vital parts of Canadian aviation history

[raynus1]

Wiki suggests there are 2 surviving PS.13 Iroquois'. One at the Canadian Aviation Museum in Ottawa, and another at the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, near Hamilton.

[AgentJayZ]

@raynus1 ... And we've got one now. Robine Sipe, founder of S&S Turbines, just obtained Iroquois X-116. It's in our shop right now. We aim to make it run. We're pretty handy at that sort of thing.

[raynus1]

@AgentJayZ That is verified and absolutely amazing. Was it damaged per the Canadian museum examples? Good luck! Next time I'm through FSJ, I'd really like to see your facility. Possible?

[AgentJayZ]

@raynus1 This engine is undamaged, but incomplete so far... we're making progress on that.

You can always call Robin, the owner, and ask for a quick tour. He' ususally interested in that sort of thing.

[binraider666]

Orenda OT-3800's are terrible engines - I'm not sure if this is the same model but the ones I've worked on are less than 10% fuel-to-work efficient... Gimme a RB-211 or LM2500 anyday!

[AgentJayZ]

Fuel efficiency... yes they are not so great.

But would you rather spend 500K on an Orenda or 10 million on an RB211?

And a non-OEM overhaul of a LM2500 or RB211 will run you a million or so.

For an Orenda, a few hundred K.

If fuel efficiency is not important, and you need 10,000Hp, not 30,000, then the Orenda is your machine.

It will also run longer between those less expensive overhauls.

It all depends on how you measure efficiency.

value per dollar!

[chronos624]

Great answer!

[rodeoprincess2384]

Well that is one way to blow the leaves off of your lawn in the fall huh?

[finneykris]

i only had my volume on quiet and my mom still told me to turn it down.

[YF12A1972]

The cameras audio capacity does not do it justice

[AgentJayZ]

That is definitely true, mister SR.

[wardbundle]

how much power is there?

[AgentJayZ]

10,000 horses, thereabouts.

[FierceDeity69]

which translates to a lot of thrust

[yamahonkawazuki]

easily. lol, gotta ask, at full power, what kinda rpm's it hitting?

[AgentJayZ]

Here's the answer to that question I posted on my other, better video of this same test: Full RPM is 7400 to 7800 rpm.

The rest of the video shows it idling at about 5500 rpm.

[al1377]

AgentJayZ, you the man!

[elcelatruena]

Do you know what produces that loud high pitch sound on turbines??

[AgentJayZ]

The high pitched screaming sound is mostly coming from the compressor.

The number of stators in each stage is different than the number of blades in order to reduce the noise made by the compressor, otherwise it would generate noise like a siren, and would be much louder.

There may also be a high pitched sound in the exhaust, but it is completely overpowered by the ripping, blasting sound of the high speed gas stream mixing with the surrounding air.

[elcelatruena]

Thanks for the info!

[wes85292]

i was to work on lm2500's while in the navy, they powerd the destoryer i was stationed on

[XXdriver2000XX]

Would have been nice to hear it rev up

[AgentJayZ]

To get that quick wind-up sound that makes these engines so impressive, I would have to do a time lapse, because we increase the fuel control setting very slowly, over a period of minutes.

This is a first-run test of a freshly overhauled engine, afterall.

Also, filming was done once I had finished running the electric generator cart used to power the starter.

That is why the initial light off is not shown here.

[XXdriver2000XX]

Wow so thats you working there? What a job!

[AgentJayZ]

I'm usually behind the camera, so there aren't many shots of me.

That's Brian Maddigan and Moto-Steve, of Maddex Turbines checking out the engine at idle, and Robin Sipe of S&S Turbines giving the thumbs-up for a successful test.

[feherman86]

Dear AgentJayZ:

This is a great video and a part of our history.

Thank you for this post.

Fred in Toronto.

[AgentJayZ]

Fred, we just took delivery of 5 more of these. We'll get 'em going and I hope to post vids of all the tests.

We are still waiting to hear about the Iroquois... we would like to be able to get that one going.

[onkea]

You can get custom fitted in-ear plugs that work a lot better than the cheapo ones. I know this guy, he is a serious expert in Turbine engines - he fixes them up for use in the oil industry in Canada.

[cupedinarius]

why are they testing it? it looks pretty "final stage" to me.

[AgentJayZ]

This engine was totally disassembled, repaired, and reassembled.

It is used to provide emergency backup power at a large industrial plant.

All engines overhauled at Maddex turbines are tested before they are shipped to the customer.

This one passed with flying colors.

[gng11]

cool! didn't know there is an actual working model. Now if we can just fit this into a avro arrow frame.....

[AgentJayZ]

It's a close relative. Press the "more" button, and follow the link to my better vid and description of this engine.

[ubcs109]

great.....that nearly blew my speakers out.