So true the words you speak Venerable Dhammavuddho. This is exactly why I want to become a bhikku. How long have we all been swimming in samsara? Fighting and feuding over such little things. May we all find the true dhamma and realize the deathless. Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!
If there is a Theravada Sangha Council in Malaysia, like in Thailand, this 'monk' could have being defrock already. This 'monk' may have read alot of texts on Buddhism, though without proper understanding, to impress devotees. My sympathy to those devotees who go to his monastery in Temoh, Malaysia, especially the ladies who vulnerable to his articulation. May the Kamma of his deception takes fruition soon before devootees at his monastery are being exploited.
You have got to be kidding, 310851o. Ven. Dhammavuddho is repeating the words of the Buddha Himself. Apparently you would have the Buddha Himself defrocked and excommunicated.
it's not a right way to give such embarrasing comments... I'm not impress with ur comments on '' kamma of his deception takes fruition soon'... i think u're the one without proper understanding... i cant understand a buddhist could have said this.
This is a very interesting exchange of ideas and in some manner is very healthy.All I can comment on that the Thataghata is our teacher and when The Buddha achieved nibbana we are told to take his teaching as the guide.The difference between d 3 main sect is like the icing on top of the cake. The cake itself remains the same. We should all look at us and not Mahayana, Theravada, Zen and etc. We are also encourage to question the according to the Suttas.
This is NOT slander this is criticism! Very different. If something may be wrong then don't you think we should tell people? Just the way people criticize Islam for its violence because the Koran DOES teach to kill non-believers. Listen to what he is saying, maybe it's true. ALL scholars of Buddhism agree with this view that Theravada is the original teaching and Mahayana was created by people much later.
In Noble Eightfold Path, one factor is Right Speech. Many people commit Wrong Speech without knowing it. This is also No Mindfulness. Some buddhists make groundless claim that Mahayana Buddhism is not true, without proof or evidence. This is Wrong View, Wrong Understanding and Wrong Speech.
I'm not speaking against anyone. But to express my opinion about Mahayana Buddhisms and hope buddhists do not critise other sects of buddhisms without concrete proof.
I agree but let's remember that Mahayana gave Theravada the name 'Hinayana' meaning lesser vehicle. This is also Wrong speech, view and understanding.
Pls show us the proof and the name of the scholars. I want to see if the so-called proof is truely flawless. Most proof are just their personal opinion but not the truth.
Sorry to say, it's not a wrong belief. Don't just listen blindly what other people say. Do not be lead by the nose. Verify it yourself. Have you read the Diamond Sutra? The contradictions that you mentioned are not true.
haha! I think I will stop this exchange of ideas before there's bloodshed in the name of buddhism...... anyway, nice exchanging ideas with you. Please don't take my words seriously, I am just a novice layperson.
I did not say that Buddha had to hide some suttas, you did. Do be careful with your words. Tipitaka is also form after buddha's paasing away.
Mahayana Sutras are also the results of accumulations of memories of Ananada and many senior monks. Both Mahayana and Tipitaka are works by Ananada and senior monks after buddha's time.
Exorcist86, what I am saying here is that both Theravada and Mahayana buddhism are true teachings of the Buddha. If you have the opportunity, you should read some Mahayana sutras or Zen buddhism which contain experiences of past enlightened masters.
In eightfold path, one must have right view and right understanding. One should not judge Mahayana buddhism as untrue without studying and practicing it.
both traditions use the tipitaka however, mahayana has many other extra sutras which theravada doesn't recognize. mahayana put a lot emphasis on those sutras and very often they neglected the pali teachings as they see it as "lower teachings" of the buddha. also, i realised that there are a lot of prayings and rituals to guan yin etc lots of mantras to learn and it makes liberation and enlightenment a very easy thing to achieve.
Most sutras are true teachings of the Buddha, regardless of whether it is recognised by theravada or not.
As we know, Buddha has been teaching for 40 over years. Accumulate all his teachings together can form a library. As human life is short and unpredictable, not many people have the time to finish reading the suttas and sutras.
Besides, some people started to believe in buddhism when they are at their 50's or 60's. These people have limited life remain.
In theravada, one practice watching the in & out breath in meditation. However, during our busy city life, one might not have the time to sit in meditation every day. So another way of meditation is reciting mantras or buddha's name.
Yes, it was taught - The Amitabha Sutra and Amitabha Buddha's name recitation. This method is very effective and easy way for human beings in our dhamma-ending age.
Ther are also some practice walking meditation. These are all different ways of meditations, but their purpose is the same; i.e. mental concentration and awareness.
Objective is the same but different school of buddhism adopt different methods. It also depends on your interest and potential.
During the first buddhist council, do you know how many arahants were present to form the tipitaka? theravada itself already mean the doctrine of the elders. mahayana only came into this world hundred of years after the passing away of the buddha.
Some mantras does have some mental purification effect on practitioner. I'm speaking from my experience. It does expedite one's mental purification and concentration as compare to sitting meditation.
One famous Thai monk once said that if you have time to breathe, then you have time to meditate. The last path of the noble eightfold path is concentration. The buddha didn't teach people to recite buddha's name or to recite mantras.
When you say people do not have time to finish all the suttas, you're saying that the buddha had to hide some suttas with the naga for 500 years so that people nowadays can benefit from it? if that makes sense to you then i have nothing to say.
To be fair, you cannot say Mahayana and Theravada are BOTH the true teachings of the Buddha. He either taught one or the other. It has been sufficiently proven that Theravada is the true original teaching and Mahayana came much later. I'm not saying Mahayana is bad, just that if we are looking for 'absolute truth', then we need to find the authentic teachings...
Mahayana Buddhism is true teachings of the Buddha too. You have not practice Mahayana hard enough to realise your buddha nature. I verify that Mahayana teachings are true teaching of the Buddha through my experiment and practice.
I did not say that one should not study theravada buddhism. What I'm saying here is that Mahayana Buddhism is also true teaching of Buddha. Do not slander Mahayana Buddhism.
Allah is creator of this world and so is Brahma the Lord? So which one is true? can they be both true? if yes, it defeats the definition of "a creator"
I follow dhamma vinaya. that was an example saying that if one claim this is too true other than the original one. then which one should people follow? just like theravada and mahayana, if both are true at the same time then the path to liberation should be the same. remember that they buddha taught "sufferings, its orgin, cessation and path" that's all that he taught. so what is the one and only way to end suffering? it's the noble eightfold path.
I was a "mahayanist" for a considerably long time. i will speak from my personal experience. but before that i want to clarify that mahayana and theravada are very unique in the way that they have never ever declare killings or wars in the name of buddhism. both practice compassion very well.
It's is you theravada who start all this mess. Not Mahayana. You criticise and we have the right to defend. How egoistic to say others are wrong with doing proper research. If it is personal opinion, then one should just keep quiet.
@aloozer if v dont start with 'hinayana' how can v cultivate to have deeper self understanding and becoming 'selfless'? then move out to help educate others like the mahayans.i find mahayana personally, far too much for a lay person to go in depth. v gets into wrong percepts, if not careful. v need to first develop the most and furthers in ourselves first b4 v move out of 'self'. i have read and listen to many talks but i learn deeper about buddhism from ven. dhamma voddho's on cds.
netelsg, it is important for us to understand the meaning of enlightenment. i am telling you this so that we can improve ourselves and understand the dhamma better. enlightenment was not used as widely in the past as today. during the buddha's time. buddha = a person who is enlightened. he called himself enlightened when he has practiced ten paramis in many lifetimes and uprooted all the evil thoughts, intention, defilements and has completely purified his mind.
Exorcist86, yes, Noble Eightfold path is the end to suffering, but it is only one of the basic foundations towards enlightenment. One require to hold precepts, samadhi (meditate), and prajna (wisdom) which are very important pre-requisite to enlightenment.
Buddha's teachign is to guide us towards enlightenment. If we practice hard accordingly, even beings at our times still can be enlightened; regardless of whether you're in Buddha's time or not.
although, the teachings are different, they do not ask people to kill or punish.we still practice the non violence way. i want to apologise on behalf of this monk for making such a "harsh" analysis of mahayana. he has a point but the way he says it would offend people. we have to understand that he had some unpleasant experience with mahayana many years ago.
If you were enlightened you would not be posting comments on YouTube. Do you think the Buddha would do this? You are wasting a lot of time trying to 'prove' that you are right. Why don't you just let it go and let people have their opinions, we've already heard yours so that's enough...
Both Mahayana and Theravada are both teaching of the Buddha. That is what I'm telling you guys. Critising Mahayana is just as good as critising Buddha's teaching. Don't say I didn't warning you guys.
So true the words you speak Venerable Dhammavuddho. This is exactly why I want to become a bhikku. How long have we all been swimming in samsara? Fighting and feuding over such little things. May we all find the true dhamma and realize the deathless. Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!
kou12 1 year ago
This monk is right.
tevung64 2 years ago
If there is a Theravada Sangha Council in Malaysia, like in Thailand, this 'monk' could have being defrock already. This 'monk' may have read alot of texts on Buddhism, though without proper understanding, to impress devotees. My sympathy to those devotees who go to his monastery in Temoh, Malaysia, especially the ladies who vulnerable to his articulation. May the Kamma of his deception takes fruition soon before devootees at his monastery are being exploited.
310851o 3 years ago
You have got to be kidding, 310851o. Ven. Dhammavuddho is repeating the words of the Buddha Himself. Apparently you would have the Buddha Himself defrocked and excommunicated.
enchentez 2 years ago
it's not a right way to give such embarrasing comments... I'm not impress with ur comments on '' kamma of his deception takes fruition soon'... i think u're the one without proper understanding... i cant understand a buddhist could have said this.
sylavanus 1 year ago
This is very true!!!
alaFM 3 years ago
This is a very interesting exchange of ideas and in some manner is very healthy.All I can comment on that the Thataghata is our teacher and when The Buddha achieved nibbana we are told to take his teaching as the guide.The difference between d 3 main sect is like the icing on top of the cake. The cake itself remains the same. We should all look at us and not Mahayana, Theravada, Zen and etc. We are also encourage to question the according to the Suttas.
adianbplim 3 years ago
It's a good piece of advice not to slander Mahayana Buddhism or any other sect of Buddhism. If you slander, you bear the karma anyway, not me.
netelsg 3 years ago
This is NOT slander this is criticism! Very different. If something may be wrong then don't you think we should tell people? Just the way people criticize Islam for its violence because the Koran DOES teach to kill non-believers. Listen to what he is saying, maybe it's true. ALL scholars of Buddhism agree with this view that Theravada is the original teaching and Mahayana was created by people much later.
kusalaviro 3 years ago
Yes, there's something wrong also on this criticism, that's why so many Mahayana Buddhists criticise his criticism.
netelsg 3 years ago
Something is wrong with the criticism and that's why we are telling you.
netelsg 3 years ago
thanks for post
KidNotorious12 3 years ago
In Noble Eightfold Path, one factor is Right Speech. Many people commit Wrong Speech without knowing it. This is also No Mindfulness. Some buddhists make groundless claim that Mahayana Buddhism is not true, without proof or evidence. This is Wrong View, Wrong Understanding and Wrong Speech.
I'm not speaking against anyone. But to express my opinion about Mahayana Buddhisms and hope buddhists do not critise other sects of buddhisms without concrete proof.
netelsg 4 years ago
I agree but let's remember that Mahayana gave Theravada the name 'Hinayana' meaning lesser vehicle. This is also Wrong speech, view and understanding.
Paxcounate 3 years ago
Well, this statement is not given by me. Sigh.
What proof do you have to say that this is wrong view and understanding ?
netelsg 3 years ago
there IS concrete proof. ALL scholars of Buddhism agree
Paxcounate 3 years ago
What concrete proof?
netelsg 3 years ago
In the future - one day, the truth will be known whether Mahayana Buddhism is true teaching of Buddha.
netelsg 3 years ago
Pls show us the proof and the name of the scholars. I want to see if the so-called proof is truely flawless. Most proof are just their personal opinion but not the truth.
netelsg 3 years ago
He has concrete proof!! You really need to listen and stop just trying to defend a possibly wrong belief.
kusalaviro 3 years ago
I'm defending because it is not wrong belief.
netelsg 3 years ago
It is a wrong belief and you are wrong so you should stop being wrong and start being right then you would not be wrong all the time.
kusalaviro 3 years ago
Sorry to say, it's not a wrong belief. Don't just listen blindly what other people say. Do not be lead by the nose. Verify it yourself. Have you read the Diamond Sutra? The contradictions that you mentioned are not true.
netelsg 3 years ago
Maybe in your next life you will understand the truth. Good luck!!
kusalaviro 3 years ago
The Five Spiritual Faculties
1. Faith
2. Vigor
3. Mindfulness
4. Concentration
5. Wisdom
Tha last is wisdom, which is most crucial to enlightenment.
netelsg 4 years ago
haha! I think I will stop this exchange of ideas before there's bloodshed in the name of buddhism...... anyway, nice exchanging ideas with you. Please don't take my words seriously, I am just a novice layperson.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
I did not say that Buddha had to hide some suttas, you did. Do be careful with your words. Tipitaka is also form after buddha's paasing away.
Mahayana Sutras are also the results of accumulations of memories of Ananada and many senior monks. Both Mahayana and Tipitaka are works by Ananada and senior monks after buddha's time.
netelsg 4 years ago
Exorcist86, what I am saying here is that both Theravada and Mahayana buddhism are true teachings of the Buddha. If you have the opportunity, you should read some Mahayana sutras or Zen buddhism which contain experiences of past enlightened masters.
In eightfold path, one must have right view and right understanding. One should not judge Mahayana buddhism as untrue without studying and practicing it.
netelsg 4 years ago
both traditions use the tipitaka however, mahayana has many other extra sutras which theravada doesn't recognize. mahayana put a lot emphasis on those sutras and very often they neglected the pali teachings as they see it as "lower teachings" of the buddha. also, i realised that there are a lot of prayings and rituals to guan yin etc lots of mantras to learn and it makes liberation and enlightenment a very easy thing to achieve.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Most sutras are true teachings of the Buddha, regardless of whether it is recognised by theravada or not.
As we know, Buddha has been teaching for 40 over years. Accumulate all his teachings together can form a library. As human life is short and unpredictable, not many people have the time to finish reading the suttas and sutras.
netelsg 4 years ago
Besides, some people started to believe in buddhism when they are at their 50's or 60's. These people have limited life remain.
In theravada, one practice watching the in & out breath in meditation. However, during our busy city life, one might not have the time to sit in meditation every day. So another way of meditation is reciting mantras or buddha's name.
netelsg 4 years ago
Nibbana is a long struggle for everyone including the Buddha himself. If there is an easy way, why wouldn't the Buddha teach his disciples?
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Yes, it was taught - The Amitabha Sutra and Amitabha Buddha's name recitation. This method is very effective and easy way for human beings in our dhamma-ending age.
netelsg 4 years ago
Mantras is taught in The Surangama Sutra. You can use Google search engine to find "mantra".
netelsg 4 years ago
Ther are also some practice walking meditation. These are all different ways of meditations, but their purpose is the same; i.e. mental concentration and awareness.
Objective is the same but different school of buddhism adopt different methods. It also depends on your interest and potential.
netelsg 4 years ago
During the first buddhist council, do you know how many arahants were present to form the tipitaka? theravada itself already mean the doctrine of the elders. mahayana only came into this world hundred of years after the passing away of the buddha.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Some mantras does have some mental purification effect on practitioner. I'm speaking from my experience. It does expedite one's mental purification and concentration as compare to sitting meditation.
netelsg 4 years ago
One famous Thai monk once said that if you have time to breathe, then you have time to meditate. The last path of the noble eightfold path is concentration. The buddha didn't teach people to recite buddha's name or to recite mantras.
When you say people do not have time to finish all the suttas, you're saying that the buddha had to hide some suttas with the naga for 500 years so that people nowadays can benefit from it? if that makes sense to you then i have nothing to say.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
To be fair, you cannot say Mahayana and Theravada are BOTH the true teachings of the Buddha. He either taught one or the other. It has been sufficiently proven that Theravada is the true original teaching and Mahayana came much later. I'm not saying Mahayana is bad, just that if we are looking for 'absolute truth', then we need to find the authentic teachings...
kusalaviro 3 years ago
Mahayana Buddhism is true teachings of the Buddha too. You have not practice Mahayana hard enough to realise your buddha nature. I verify that Mahayana teachings are true teaching of the Buddha through my experiment and practice.
netelsg 4 years ago
i heard one monk said, when it rains and if you were to look for clean water. where do you start from? the hill top or the foot of the hill?
Exorcist86 4 years ago
I did not say that one should not study theravada buddhism. What I'm saying here is that Mahayana Buddhism is also true teaching of Buddha. Do not slander Mahayana Buddhism.
netelsg 4 years ago
Allah is creator of this world and so is Brahma the Lord? So which one is true? can they be both true? if yes, it defeats the definition of "a creator"
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Are u a Muslim or Buddhist ?
netelsg 4 years ago
In Buddhism we do not believe in a Creator. Looks like you are not a Buddhist.
netelsg 4 years ago
I follow dhamma vinaya. that was an example saying that if one claim this is too true other than the original one. then which one should people follow? just like theravada and mahayana, if both are true at the same time then the path to liberation should be the same. remember that they buddha taught "sufferings, its orgin, cessation and path" that's all that he taught. so what is the one and only way to end suffering? it's the noble eightfold path.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Do not judge mahayana buddhism as untrue simply because someone or books say it's untrue; this are mere heresay or speculations.
netelsg 4 years ago
I was a "mahayanist" for a considerably long time. i will speak from my personal experience. but before that i want to clarify that mahayana and theravada are very unique in the way that they have never ever declare killings or wars in the name of buddhism. both practice compassion very well.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Nobody 'slandered' Mahayana. You seem to get easily offended at healthy criticism. This is not the way of an 'enlightened' person.
kusalaviro 3 years ago
Who say enlightened being cannot make comments.
It's is you theravada who start all this mess. Not Mahayana. You criticise and we have the right to defend. How egoistic to say others are wrong with doing proper research. If it is personal opinion, then one should just keep quiet.
netelsg 3 years ago
you sure? investigate why theravada is also mentioned as 'hinayana', it's a pejorative term.
aloozer 2 years ago
@aloozer if v dont start with 'hinayana' how can v cultivate to have deeper self understanding and becoming 'selfless'? then move out to help educate others like the mahayans.i find mahayana personally, far too much for a lay person to go in depth. v gets into wrong percepts, if not careful. v need to first develop the most and furthers in ourselves first b4 v move out of 'self'. i have read and listen to many talks but i learn deeper about buddhism from ven. dhamma voddho's on cds.
luisalau 1 year ago
I'm from Mahayana Pureland buddhism (reciting Amitabha Buddha's name) and now I'm enlightened.
netelsg 4 years ago
netelsg, it is important for us to understand the meaning of enlightenment. i am telling you this so that we can improve ourselves and understand the dhamma better. enlightenment was not used as widely in the past as today. during the buddha's time. buddha = a person who is enlightened. he called himself enlightened when he has practiced ten paramis in many lifetimes and uprooted all the evil thoughts, intention, defilements and has completely purified his mind.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
even his arahant disciples were not considered enlightened but liberated from samsara.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
Exorcist86, yes, Noble Eightfold path is the end to suffering, but it is only one of the basic foundations towards enlightenment. One require to hold precepts, samadhi (meditate), and prajna (wisdom) which are very important pre-requisite to enlightenment.
Buddha's teachign is to guide us towards enlightenment. If we practice hard accordingly, even beings at our times still can be enlightened; regardless of whether you're in Buddha's time or not.
netelsg 4 years ago
although, the teachings are different, they do not ask people to kill or punish.we still practice the non violence way. i want to apologise on behalf of this monk for making such a "harsh" analysis of mahayana. he has a point but the way he says it would offend people. we have to understand that he had some unpleasant experience with mahayana many years ago.
Exorcist86 4 years ago
If you were enlightened you would not be posting comments on YouTube. Do you think the Buddha would do this? You are wasting a lot of time trying to 'prove' that you are right. Why don't you just let it go and let people have their opinions, we've already heard yours so that's enough...
kusalaviro 3 years ago
Both Mahayana and Theravada are both teaching of the Buddha. That is what I'm telling you guys. Critising Mahayana is just as good as critising Buddha's teaching. Don't say I didn't warning you guys.
netelsg 3 years ago
Very very good Dhamma talk."Sādhu! Sādhu! Sādhu!"
badkamma 4 years ago 3