Ed Griffin Collectivism

[Adeikov]

Forests do exist. A forest is an uncountable number of tree inhabiting an area together and living with environment ecosystem of a forest.

[Adeikov]

A herd of cattle is a group and the group is measurable.

[Adeikov]

There is groups as there are teams.

[nidisha]

His forest example is incomplete. He fails to understand that the tree itself is also an abstraction because it is collectively made by different parts, and these parts are made by other parts, etc. (the group gives the individual its status of such)

What's shocking is his lack of observation; humans must live and rely on groups in order to survive - there's no other way.

Individualism is an illusion that makes us feel unique because it creates the delusion of control, thus "freedom."

[brindlebriar]

Quite right so far, Ed, but now you need to describe a moral basis for private property that was once the common heritage of all humans until it was plundered.

[weavermama]

"One difference between libertarianism and socialism is that a socialist society can't tolerate groups of people practicing freedom, but a libertarian society can comfortably allow people to choose voluntary socialism. If a group of people — even a very large group — wanted to purchase land and own it in common, they would be free to do so. The libertarian legal order would require only that no one be coerced into joining or giving up his property." -david boaz

[weavermama]

Could it be that a further distinction is warranted? That being between coercive collectivism and voluntary collectivism. continued....

[weavermama]

Griffin couldn't be more correct here. Collectivists truly cannot see the forest for the trees.

[vidfann]

Let's take the NFL for instance. Is the NFL a collective group? Sure it is. It consists of a group of owners who in this day and age we see more and more bargainaning against their collective group of employees, the players. Imagine if the owners in the NFL had to deal with the player's unions as individuals. They would be the ones locked out of the league. The other owners would scoop their talent up so fast they'd no longer have a team. Collectivism is evrywhere. Individualism is a delusion.

[vidfann]

He uses negative images to rep what collectivism is. How cheap. Collectivism is not based on controlling or screwing over individuals. Collectivism as most "rational" minded individuals see it is the ability for people with the same views to be able to use their capital together to create a more even playing field than if they were not together. Mankind could not survive if we all crawled into ourselves and did everything alone. Individualism is a lie that so called conservatives eat up.

[chickenwretch]

Here's an ism for you. How about isolationism; keep what you earned, I'll keep what I earned, and lazy Ralph over there, he can isolate his wont and support a power-broker that will take from me and you for Ralphs wont. Social architects, leave us alone.

[blabblab1212]

Are this video good?

[bondurango]

No such thing as a group, eh? Since when is a family not a group?

I guess old Ed was abandoned as a child. But he's about as smart as banana nut cake if he thinks he was raised by himself. Even a pairing constitutes a group. Does he think he wasn't reproduced by any parents? Maybe he was replicated by the Holy Ghost?

A real collectivism begins with the concept of family. The only question is whether the family is functional or dysfunctional. Ayn & Ed probably had the latter.

[CammieSpectrum]

@bondurango the family is still an abstraction

[eathis12]

People are still stuck on captitalism vs socialism. They should be to the root of the issues that is objectivism vs collectivism.

[SuffocateJav90]

@eathis12 I would say individualism vs collectivism.. I follow objectivism but I differ on Rand's view on art and aesthetics

[jscottupton]

Folks who don't understand this concept are likely to support big government.

[Ebdan88]

Yes, but we all do agree that a VERY big Awakening is happening.... Wake up people... All of you should Fllod the internet with worlds like Awakening, or waking up or other similar words... We have to Flood the internet with these words....

[nonphonics]

This guy says very little for all the words that he speaks. What he neglects to point out is that the "purples" are the corporations that have ruined our country and will only ruin it further if rule by the majority ceases. You are a part of a group called the human being, and individualism is a quaint idea in an increasingly overpopulated world.

[RKarshenas]

It takes the manipulation of mortal fear to get people to settle into socio-political collectives, which can lead to injustice and brutality, the society ultimately consuming itself and dissolving into another appearance, remade by the destroyers. Just when you think you saw the last of communism or fascism, parallels are still being drawn to this day in America and elsewhere, like it has another face, same agenda, more subtle approach, seeming more necessary and official. 'Mind control' sums it

[PersianPaladin]

My freedom ends when yours begins.

[dilbertgeg]

WE DON'T HAVE ANY GREATER GOOD POLICY!!!!

In America, a tiny group of Corporate Elites and Bankers (who get the politicians to regulate business FOR them), rule over 99% of everyone else, and have obtained special privileges and techniques to seize wealth and get free protection.

Part of how they rule, is because the State has assigned exclusive permits and contracts to the minority plutocracy.

People only imagine the FedGov is this giant wealth redistributor DOWNwards, no it's UPwards.

[AnarchistOpposition]

Heres something that I missed 2 weeks ago, when you claim that there is no such thing as an economy using the forest example, your trying to say that an economy is the sum of its parts, if you apply this logic to other things, as you did to a forest, a car does not exist, it is simply parts, a computer does not exist, it is just chips.

[dubified89]

@AnarchistOpposition good point

[dubified89]

really both the individual and the group exist, there's no contradiction

[AnarchistOpposition]

the forms of collectivism that he mentioned are all forms of state-collectivism, free or libertarian collectivism does not suffer from such sacrifice. In a free collectivist society, there would be no government, so that purple theory is out. Now we have to look at what collectivism really means? does it mean that a large group takes from a small group? no, that is far from the truth, collectivism soely means that everyone, not just a private class, has access to the tools of production.

[RavGasnyj]

@AnarchistOpposition You're dumbed by the fathers of communism - Russians... (btw they got you americans, by the socialistic propaganda which has taken a place for YEARS). Anarchy? Anarchy is nothing else but the comunism - small (or big) collectives, where, as you claim, EVERYBODY HAS EVERYTHING... THIS IS THE UTOPIA. When something is in possesion of every man, then it's no men's thing. Today anarchical model does really exist - THE BIG CORPORATIONS! But not exactly, a FEW TROCKIST RULES.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@RavGasnyj LOL you sir are a moron.



[RavGasnyj]

@AnarchistOpposition Hehe... you don't have no knowledge about WHAT ANARCHISM REALLY IS :-] So shut up, you stupid young dumb american... Moron has made you. [;

You r communist, you stinky prick! Can't you see, that anarchism is one of the child of communism?? Yo have no arguments to debate... Go to your communist, socialistic american school AND FUCKING LEARN!! {-; :* :* :* You're too small and to young...

[emc2fu]

Individualism can just as easily be argued in a similar fashion Lets say for example we live in a society where racism nationalism homophobia and other Othering exists If we hold up the true individual in this sort of society which is ours by the way then how is this different from simply upholding those who conform or fit the class, race, sex, and gender standards individualism easily masks the realities of a society that lauds and puts a certain population above the rest

[intricatic]

Only if collectivist laws and government models are constructed. Following individualist laws and government models, no such environment could exist.

[Ravengaurd6]

@emc2fu if grouping by congenital circumstance is still present then it isn't individualism. the individual is any whole and single entity. if any number of individuals agree on one thing they cannot impose it on others because everyONE is an individual no matter who they are.

[shepardh1]

And we get Obama? Nutso!

[BullnBearAnalytics]

TRULY Profound words

[TrinityOfTyrannyMovi]

NICE, right when I was looking for it too!

[XOmniverse]

Awesome video.

[GeorgeGreekTrucker]

Great words from a Great Man.

Criminals keep Mr. Griffin away from mainstream media

and hypnotize our children with crap all day.

Thank you Mr. Griffin, your words in 'America

from Freedom to fascism' brought you to my attention

and have since bought and listened for countless

hours to most of your work during my travels.