Dry Fire Exercise: Improve your trigger pull.

[plistc]

Interesting training idea, thanks for the vid!

[kazeboy1]

Awe i cant do it. My glock 30 has a very flat slide so its super easy to keep the bullet stable

[iRYANMB]

Then a few thousand more

[hifisterio]

@iRYANMB I read that it's better to learn to steady your trigger pull before using live ammo. It helps improve accuracy from 15 - 30% Even with rifles.

[iRYANMB]

Nice video, I am not a fan of dry fire tho.

The best way to learn your weapons trigger is to put a few hundred rounds through it!

[LonelyRavenProductio]

@iRYANMB Dry fire costs nothing but time.

[chris71600rr]

In response to gunfred80. If you glue a piece of thread to primer side of bullet and hang it from a doorframe or something that will suspend it at your sightline you could do this alone and a lot faster.

[kneedeepinzombieshit]

@turboturtle22 "FAIL @ 1:22 rofl"

Shew, troll, shew!

[The6paul]

Got any match's......

[1988sureshot]

@turboturtle22 please do not misinform people xds striker is exposed in back so more prone to breaking but none of those guns is from dry firing it is doing the exact same action as if it had a round in it will not harm it ask an armorer

[XxF0RTR3SSxX]

Nice vid Will have to try

[turboturtle22]

FAIL at 1:22 rofl

[Ditchpigs1]

gooc video... good excersize

[9mmParabellum0321]

Nice video and drill however, that can all come apart when you put bullets in the weapon and have people shoot. But that is one way on the road to success.

[gunfred80]

The best way to do this drill is with a partner. Assume your normal shooting position- so probably arms streched out, and have the partner place the "object" on the front of the slide, behind the front sight. Then pull the trigger. Of course your partner might suffer from boredom if you repeat this a hundred times. But he will need assistence too, when he wants to practice. Make sure he finds a partner to help him.

[RockGIV]

What also works is an empty brass cass from a 22 WMR that way you don't have a live round in the room while you are doing that

[braindeaddoug]

thanks …good ...

[bonsa100]

Go to the range and try it with live rounds........ I think it might fall off...........

[Mushwan]

good idea for practice! thanx

[GCatalan702]

It would be harder to balance a 9mm than a .45acp. o_O

[ien17]

i wish i never came across this vid because i cant stop doing this drill LOL

[roohmz1000]

I recommend using a dime balanced on top the barrel sight. For me - much more comfortable than training with a live round anywhere near the firearm.

[sprkthead2]

@roohmz1000

Or a penny.

[onedwr]

Not a bad idea, never thought about trying this technique. Thanks.

[sethredding]

Thanks this is a great idea

[Morae88]

Very Nice. Remember its all about muscle memory.

[DesignRec]

hi there you seem to know what youre talking about so im gonna sk you. i have recently bought a glock 17.. now when i finish shooting a mag, and release the slide catch. obviously the hammer or whatever is still cocked. rather than dry fire it which i dont like to do is there any way to un-cock the gun rather than pulling the trigger and possibly causing the pin damage. ALSO is it damaging to any internal parts to just leave it cocked? will it damage the spring etc?

[timmyjunior1]

@DesignRec My advice is never leave a gun cocked. Most people say it's fine ut I've seen damage to gun because of then staying cocked. But no there is no de-cocking mechanism on a glock, if you really want to go through the trouble you could put a snap cap in whenever you need to dry fire, but honestly dry firing will do ZERO damage to a glock.

[DesignRec]

@timmyjunior1 thanks man, you've put my mind at ease :)

[tranvi007]

You shouldn't be handling live ammo... but anyways a more advance technique is to balance a 9mm or 40 cal casing on the front sight post. Works best with the OEM glock ones.

[229glock]

Nice vid and nice exercise. Of course it all goes to hell when you have an adrenaline dump, trying to stop a BG from killing you by putting a hole or three in his chest while running your ass to cover. I'm still lookin' to improve trigger squeeze in that kind of training environment. Cheers.

[Jake614DMR]

Well this sucks you cant do this with a 1911

[ThisTriggaMan]

doesn't it damage the firing pin to keep dry firing it and even will break?

[jasontimmer]

@ThisTriggaMan No, most modern centerfire weapons are okay to dry fire. If you want, you can use a snap cap.

[Ghostfinger45]

@jasontimmer You called it dude.I just read an article stating there is no proof that dry firing a center fire pistol would do any damage to the pin or striker,etc.- ball and cap pistols are another story. :) Thanks for the heads up on the upside down JHP for practice- good idea. I've tried the quarter balanced on it's edge and it was way to frustrating.

[turboturtle22]

@ThisTriggaMan striker fire type guns. glock/xd/mp can break the striker pin thingy if you do it too much. google it in images. broken stirker

[rippspeed1]

try a penny on top of your front sight ... its what I use

[tbarcode]

For our remedials they sit the bullet on the front sight but with the primer side down. It's a great excercise! I'll have to try your variation next time!

[PaulNeuhaus]

This looks like a great exercise! Unfortunately, I can't do this with my Kimber 1911 because the slide is round on the top. I suppose I'd have a flat spot for the bullet if I hold the gun sideways "gangsta style"! HAHA!!

[jamesjr934]

@PaulNeuhaus

It does work with a Kimber 1911, I just did it with mine, a HP will balance just fine on the rounded part of the slide.

[1niccidanielle]

They have you practice this drill in the police academy that I attend here in Ohio.....

[Seven22Ent]

Dude, dry firing your Glock too often will damage the firing pin (read the owner's manual)! Buy snapcaps for dry fire practice. They're inexpensive and will protect your investment! Otherwise, a good tip.

[jasontimmer]

@Seven22Ent No, it won't. Read the owner's manual. They basically say, "dry firing won't hurt it, but use snap caps if you want to."

[jamesjr934]

@Seven22Ent

Old wives tale, dry firing any center fire firearm will cause less wear than live firing. The firing pin simply hits air rather than the primer. In fact Glocks require the firearm to be dry fired to be field stripped.

[jamesjr934]

Btw, jasontimmer no way in hell your going to be able to get the bullet to balance while live firing as you suggested. lol

[jasontimmer]

@jamesjr934 Haha where in the hell did I suggest you could do this while love firing? What are you smoking, dude?

[jamesjr934]

@jasontimmer

I was just joking, but you did say "do it maybe 100/200 times then go to the range and try it with live rounds and see if you seen any improvement". I know what you meant, but yeah... Guess it was a bad joke.

[jasontimmer]

@jamesjr934 Ah sorry man, totally missed the joke. :)

[009jorge1]

@jasontimmer You looked kinda angry when you failed, how many times did you record this xD

[pccchurch]

@009jorge1

The uneditted video shows him shouting out fak my ass! and then proceeding to discharge the gun into the ceiling 6 times before regaining composure.

[Soletmod]

@jasontimmer 1:42 the way you said it suggests trying to balance it with live rounds. Only a moron would think that's what you meant to say. But it is what you said.

[Tankerrob]

you've got a lot of free time, huh?

[MrMaro0n]

seems like to me it would work better standing up? Pulling a trigger with your arms rested on your legs in the sitting position is a lot different than standing

[jasontimmer]

@MrMaro0n Yup, that's true. I usually do this standing but it was easier to film this way. Good point.

[SOHCEJ8]

Doesn't seem to work well with my .45 hollow point, it's so big that its too stable and not sensitive enough to fall of if I pull the trigger incorrectly.

[steelmesh]

I AGREE 100% WITH THIS EXERCISE, it helped me improve my accuracy significantly. The way I did it was just dry firing and making sure the dot never leaves the target I am practicing with. When the dot bounces off target you know you're not doing it correctly. By balancing a bullet on the gun, it ensures that the barrel doesn't jump off target; as detected by the bullet obviously falling off. To all the haters, you're a bunch of jerks hahaha

[buzzclark]

Hi jasontimmer. What kind of Glock is that? THX. Sincerely, JAMES.

[Skormm]

@nebula25x That looks like a Glock in the video and it fell off...

[sexyrex20]

Nice helped me Thanks

[kyrin87]

This is what happens when you don't make it through college.

[jasontimmer]

@kyrin87 The hell are you talking about. I already finished college.

[jaredleospirit]

@jasontimmer , i think your suppose to fully extend your arms when practicing this, like your regular aiming style. you looked like you just tried to not tip the bullet when pulling the trigger.

[readeronly1]

@jasontimmer

dont let that troll get to you, great vid and thanks for the tip

[brastmonkey]

@kyrin87 Doesn't make any sense. If anything he would be a expert because he spent his time using his gun than hittin the books. C'mon everybody knows hicks are a better shot than these college boys!

[Rook369]

This does work. We used to do something very similar in the Army when doing dry fire exercises. We would actually balance a cleaning rod on the flash hider to improve trigger squeeze...it eventually becomes second nature, like muscle memory. We were trained to kill folks not like a lot of the self defense pogues that comment on this stuff. So don't be critical, GREAT VID!

[jasontimmer]

@nebula25x I would LOVE for you to post a video of you "jerking the trigger rather crudely" with a HP round balanced on the muzzle and not knocking it off. I call bullshit.

[lllChokelll]

@jasontimmer Yeah with a flat blocky slide you can probably jerk around with a coin. But not with a hollow point balancing on it, it falls off pretty easily.

[samueltak]

I don't know about this...

This exercise, for whatever its worth, lacks a key element and that is the BANG from the fire arm and the human anticipation of that "shock". W/o the bang going off you aren't really preparing yourself against limp wristing...

[jasontimmer]

@samueltak Yes, it lacks that, but this exercise has done WONDERS to improve my accuracy. It works.

[TheJomogogo]

@samueltak

Dude ANY PRO will tell you dry fire practice is an important part of your training.

[GirlsinFogandSmoke]

@samueltak The "bang" comes AFTER the trigger pull.

[slauj]

@samueltak I thought the whole point of dry firing is to over come the anticipation of the gun going BANG, so that you don't jerk the triger or move your sight alignment before the bullet leaves the barrel=Bang!!

[norcofreerider604]

@samueltak The purpose it to ensure a smooth trigger pull in absence of the bang. It allows you to correct any jerking that you may be unaware of. I already practice dry firing with my rifles to ensure I don't have a flinch and I have good form, but I've never thought of this... before now.

[c0d3cr4zy]

good exercise, helped me with some flinch problems I had as a kid

[cpratt1976]

Good drill. I will try this at home tonight!

[mikeylee2001]

When the shit hits the fan you're not going to be worried about all this.

[jasontimmer]

@mikeylee2001 When the shit hits the fan I'm going to be glad I practiced stuff like this now.

[cpratt1976]

@mikeylee2001 you are exactly right that in a real situation you won't be thinking about all of this. However, that is exactly the point. If you practice something enough it becomes muscle memory and the things you need to think about are automatic.

[buzzclark]

Hello Jasontimmer - we spoke before. - In my spare time I have learned to do trigger jobs on Glocks plus other modifications. I'm sure a trigger job would smooth out the pull & make it easier to do your trigger pull excercise. Good Vid. Sincerely, JAMES.

[pete5668]

interesting exercise. Gotta have a flat slide though.

[jgreenan89]

@pete5668 Similar exercise is to place a coin, (penny/dime) on the front site. It's the same concept.

[1039sflem]

I don't think this is good practice. If you take that long to pull the trigger while defending you life, you are dead. Remember you need to hit center mass repeatably until threat is terminated. In that situation, you aren't going to be worrying if a bullet would stay on the end of your barrell or not. You need to practice rapid 3 shot burts. Just my opinion, but a well presented video on your behalf.

[jasontimmer]

@1039sflem Dude. I don't plan on taking that long to pull the trigger in a defensive situation. The idea for the exercise is to burn into your memory the proper way to pull the trigger.

[picure]

@1039sflem Maybe he's practicing that for target shooting?

[jasontimmer]

@1039sflem You're kind of missing the point of the exercise.

[bigdaddyitalia22]

your coment being i have a kimber and its to bulky dry fire it problem some do to back issues

so you have a kimber i love mine buy i have the ultra at 25oz it ways the same loaded in fact lighter then a compact glock (loaded)

and your inerchange able on your mags and you keep 45acp and well its the best gun in the world lol

no but also look in to the kahr mk (steel but 22oz) i love mine and the pm is lighter 16 oz but thees a fair diffrance at the range

[hoboboxerjoe]

I don't know if I can get that to work on my Kimber TLE 2. Which Glock is that? A...27?

I'm thinking of getting a Glock 30, to go with my Kimber, or perhaps a Glock 26 or 23.

Sub-compact for sure, I got mad back problems and am disabled so the Kimber full size really kills it to dry-fire practice sometimes. I was surprised that the trigger pull on the Glock 30 didn't seem much different than that of my TLE 2. But I'll give this a try, thanks for the vids and keep it up!

[jasontimmer]

@hoboboxerjoe Hey man, it's a glock 17 I'm using there. If I was to get another, I'd get a 26 as it's a lot more concealable.

[hoboboxerjoe]

@jasontimmer, I'm seriously considering it, can't you get loading kits that'll do 9mm loads and .45 loads? I'm sure that it's something I could look up. I swear I've seen some kits like that online that'd do .40, 9mm, .45, I've never reloaded but i'd imagine it involves some inter-changing parts?

Anyway, thanks for the info and your opinion!

[Statureman]

try a penny. no one will give you grief for using life ammo.

[jasontimmer]

@Statureman Not worried about the grief. HP round works better for me.

[Statureman]

hear this described before, but with a penny.

[burntcoffeemedia]

awesome video, can't wait to try this out, thanks for the tip

[martindanny]

what's an AD?

[jasontimmer]

@martindanny accidental discharge.

[gng4life]

You should never dryfire with LIVE AMMO in the same room. Leads to mistakes and eventually an AD. Use a Snap Cap or make your own (google it) but NEVER have live ammo around a firearm without being on the range and ready to shoot!

[jasontimmer]

@gng4life I've heard this before and had a few discussions with a few educated folks about this. The consensus is, it's really not a problem. What could possibly happen to cause an AD? The bullet isn't going to stand up, walk over, and load itself. If you're not drunk, and you don't have other people walking around and playing with your weapon, how could an AD occur? It won't.

[mistereveready]

@jasontimmer I know your reply is hella old, but I've lived with someone who's had a 5 AD's. All with live ammunition nearby. I do also admit the gentleman i'm referring to is a dumbass. But basically what happens is, magazine with ammunition there, they dry fire. For whatever retarded reason they forget magazine is loaded and boom. Especially when dealing with firearms that require magazines to even dry fire. So problem is more about forgetfulness and outright stupidity.

[jasontimmer]

@mistereveready Yeah, if he's had 5 AD's, he needs to be away from weapons. That's shit you shouldn't be forgetting.

[mistereveready]

@jasontimmer Sad thing is a few of them were within the same year and lives in an apartment complex, so people on all sides. Lost a TV like that.

[dklilm0mma]

@mistereveready One rule of thumb you may want to live by from now on is:

There no such thing as an "accidental discharge", only negligent discharges. From this point, you can refer to them as "ND's".

If you think about incidents where people perform careless acts, it usually is no accident. It usually could have been prevented...except that the person was *negligent*, which is why something bad happened to begin with.

[mistereveready]

@jasontimmer forgot to mention that you demonstrate the best way to prevent the forgetful part, safety check the weapon whenever handling the weapon. The only answer i've seen that works with stupidity is birth control.I wish I could talk the person i mentioned into forfeiting his pistols. As for video, I might try that. Would likely do well for my glocks or 5.7, but not so good on my round topped weapons like my 1911. What other method might you suggest?

[jasontimmer]

@mistereveready That's a good question, I don't know. I guess just do dry fire drills while aiming at a point on the wall. How do you like the FiveseveN?

[mistereveready]

@jasontimmer 5.7 is hella expensive to buy and stock with reliable ammunition. The menial crap is like 20-30$ for a box of 50. But not the rounds I'd use for SD, those are 50$(50rd) backorder. It has a magazine safety which is annoying! Other than that it's an incredibly light weight (feels like a toy), fires smooth, decent trigger, holds 20+1 rounds, and can drop a 200 poundish hog. Just way too large for a CCW. is about size of a g20. If you were in my area i'd let you use mine at the range.

[aekdbbop]

Awesome idea. Thanks!

Can someone explain the dime/ washer techniqe?

[Irresistablygraced]

Great idea!  I'll be trying that! :o)

[frederickfrenchjr08]

great tip

[mout12]

I'm sure you already know this, but if you just pull the slide back 40% of the way or so you can reset the trigger. Saves time. Not a lot, but after 200 times like you say, it adds up.

GOOD IDEA FOR THIS I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!

[jasontimmer]

Yeah, I usually do that, but on this occasion I just happened to pull the slide back a little too far. Thanks for the comment.

[mout12]

I just got my first pistol - Glock 19. Had it for about 2 weeks, never fired it yet. I will practice this drill then take it out into the hills!

[SpitRhyma]

@mout12 -- on my glock (and I believe most handguns) it requires even less than 40% -- If you listen closely on glocks you can hear it. In fact I used to have problems disassembling my glock because I would cock the striker every time (so you get stuck and can't remove the slide). So what I do now is push on the tip of my barrel which pushes the slide back just far enough to disassemble the slide.

[SpitRhyma]

@SpitRhyma I would guess 10%-15% for my g17.

[Veteran4Peace]

I was going to mention the "dime" technique but ohmichael203 beat me to it.

Great exercise, nice video!

[jasontimmer]

Thanks!

[ohmichael203]

Good technique for training, just like the Army washer/dime dry fire training for the M16/M4. One quibble though, please, please, call it a weapon, sidearm, or firearm. The old SGT in me cringes when you say gun.

[jasontimmer]

Haha, okay, will do next time. Thanks!

[tatorsal]

@ohmichael203 What is an SGT and what is wrong with the term gun? Curious as to why...

[ohmichael203]

SGT is the military abbreviation for sergeant. In the military the word gun has a specific meaning. It refers to usually large bore indirect fire weapons like artillery or mortars. As a trainer I has to expend a lot of effort to break my soldiers/trainees habit of using colloquialisms.

[Makingnewnamesisdumb]

@ohmichael203 It's important to know the difference between your rifle and your gun. R. Lee Ermey taught me that

[monkeyman1140]

Its okay to dry-fire a glock kids.

[arnoldscoming]

good idea, really simple! 5*

[jessejungle]

thanks for this!