I am a very moderate catholic, but I don't like the pope and any kind of hierarchy and bigottery and ridiculous prudence and dangerous rules...it is this kind of music, the art, the architecture of christianity that keeps me there, because THEY are what is so charged with real spirituality. the clerical staff just cannot keep up with this kind of power, purity, beauty - and honesty.
To the year-old trumpet debate: I would guess that these trumpets are proportionally loud, given the much larger scale of Richter's orchestral forces as compared to what it is likely Bach would have used. Awesome performance.
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no sweat man, bach can be done in various ways, frm ds traditional way of richter, jochum et al. at one end to gardiner, koopman, parrott et al. in d middle up to d one-to-a-part minimalist style of rifkin at d other end ...ya, what matters is d spirit and reverence for ds baroque master, d greatest of them all, God''s spiritual savant, put here on earth to bring joy and light to us, d benighted ones, ya, ya . sd goh (malaysia).
Yea, there are many variations & interpretations of Bach, & most classical musical, just as there is today with modern music. How many songs have been "Remixed" or redone? With classical music there are no "original" live recordings. So technically even though it is read note for note off sheet music, it is still kind of an interpretation in some way. I have heard Invention #13 done with a 4 strings or Piano (Glenn Gould) vs harpsichord. That is the beauty of it all IMO. Such diversity!
The funny thing about the revolutionary wave of "barock-style" musicians (Harnoncourt, Koopman, Bruggen, Leonhardt, etc.) is the trash of conservative and intolerant bandwagon idiots that can't even understand the sheer impact and brilliance of Richter's reading of this piece (playing in the style played at the time) and his grasp of Bach's structure and energy... I'm sure brilliant men such as Harnoncourt and Leonhardt are capable of appreciating his work without being style fundamentalists!
Technology helped a lot in the construction of brass instrument: now they have valves and metal is stronger: it helps the emission and power of the sound. Baroque natural trumpet (that you can also see in many video on YT, for example in Bach's 2nd Brandemburgh concert)) had the power of a modern silver flute... We only suppose that Bach wrote his music for that instrument, as there are many old pictures with so many kind of trumpets that didn't survive until today.
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The airless, artificial-sounding Archiv digital recording from that time seriously hurts it though, and I think Gardiner's a bit too cold and stiff. I liked Koopman's pure and lively take on it more, though like Gardiner he doesn't always manage to keep the overall flow going. My favorites are Herreweghe II and most of all Harnoncourt II. And the problem with this interpretation isn't the tempo (Harnoncourt actually takes 15 seconds more for this movement), but the articulation: It's too stiff.
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It's interesting, but the faster movements of the Mass, Richter interprets much better. He runs into trouble with the slower movements. Although I think he's having a little trouble constraining the enthusiasm of his singers as they tend to rush the tempo in the fugal sections, (again the tenors). But overall the reading is much improved. The orchestra is simply a delight.
It seems like you didn't get the chance, maybe, to enjoy spending some time on a alpine meadow as i did. You should try this, I promise you will change your mind.
Or perhaps if you can't do that, try the music by Dan Gibson, nature music.
Of course, there's nothing of the sort of "alpine meadowlands" in my own Portugal - but, believe me, you may enjoy here the most lovely sunsets there are in the world!
I may add that Lisbon has a very exquisite light, considered by some fine painters to be far, far better than Paris!
The best look you can get of Lisbon is from the Monument to Christ-the-King (on the other bank of the river Tejo), during Spring - preferably at sunset. A former teacher of mine - a Spaniard, born in the 20s, very cosmopolitan - told me once he never saw such natural beauty anywhere!...
Isn't it funny to see how anybody could believe that a masterpiece of an high priest of JSB can be judged a nightmare only because it's not played on period instrument? This lets you understand how marketing can influence the taste - if any - in people who at least try to approach music.
AWESOME!!! All that energy, all the extasis, packaged in one of the most bright and imaginative fugues you will ever hear. If you ever have the chance to hear this fugue in real time sung by a decent choir and a decent orchestra, don't miss it. It's an experience that will last you forever. Thank you Meister Bach!
I much prefer the period instrument versions, but this is a wonderful video.
Karl Richter is such an important figure in the performance of Bach's music [along with his contemporaries, Fritz Werner, Gustav Leonhardt and Harnoncourt] that his place in music history is assured.
This one rocks for me....dynamite...gets the led out...trumpets always seem too loud with Bach, but, being both a chorister and a rock guitarist, I dig it....Thank you very much!
Richter's Bach a "nightmare"?!?... I agree with brinmat, the microphones were simply too close to the trumpets. I own a different performance of the Mass by Richter (on CD... no video, sorry) and it's absolutely balanced, a definitive masterpiece: I would say, Bach himself would have directed that way... ;-)
you have no idea what are you talking about! music is not something which is paralized. music is abstract. is invisible. is there to be played, with spirit, with passion, with heart. music is not like a sculpture or a paint. music is there to be celebrated. bach would be very proud about all we've been doing with his music!!!!!!!!
I'll grant the trumpets are too loud. Probably too close to the recorder. I think their clarity is rough because of the recording... the singing itself is impeccable. As for the "choir barking" comment... This is how the choir normally sounds for this movement if done in a historically accurate baroque way. If you don't like it, I guess this isn't for you.
If I should lose the use of my ears, I can always "hear" Bach. His supernal music is a gift for which I am grateful.
rittervoneschenbach 1 month ago
I am a very moderate catholic, but I don't like the pope and any kind of hierarchy and bigottery and ridiculous prudence and dangerous rules...it is this kind of music, the art, the architecture of christianity that keeps me there, because THEY are what is so charged with real spirituality. the clerical staff just cannot keep up with this kind of power, purity, beauty - and honesty.
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NihilNominis 5 months ago
To quote Christopher Smart: "For the feast of TRUMPETS should be kept up, that being the most direct and acceptable of all instruments."
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To the year-old trumpet debate: I would guess that these trumpets are proportionally loud, given the much larger scale of Richter's orchestral forces as compared to what it is likely Bach would have used. Awesome performance.
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cristoamante 8 months ago
Wow that trumpet!!!!
angietihi 1 year ago
extraordinary the whole work Bach´s B minor mass stans out as one of the best sacred works ever written
beethomozart 1 year ago
Esta pieza lo contiene TODO. La música pasada, la cohetánea a su tiempo... y la futura. Oigo jazz, ritmos de blues... es bailable, contemporánea... infinita.
paripe 1 year ago 2
no sweat man, bach can be done in various ways, frm ds traditional way of richter, jochum et al. at one end to gardiner, koopman, parrott et al. in d middle up to d one-to-a-part minimalist style of rifkin at d other end ...ya, what matters is d spirit and reverence for ds baroque master, d greatest of them all, God''s spiritual savant, put here on earth to bring joy and light to us, d benighted ones, ya, ya . sd goh (malaysia).
301250 1 year ago 2
Yea, there are many variations & interpretations of Bach, & most classical musical, just as there is today with modern music. How many songs have been "Remixed" or redone? With classical music there are no "original" live recordings. So technically even though it is read note for note off sheet music, it is still kind of an interpretation in some way. I have heard Invention #13 done with a 4 strings or Piano (Glenn Gould) vs harpsichord. That is the beauty of it all IMO. Such diversity!
gjc82071 1 year ago
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Richter is like Toscanini: despite the age of recordings you can listen to every musical line... simply great!
gaemp 2 years ago
Estoy seguro que no se hubieran llevado bien en lo personal.Ningun celo musical,solo que sus biografias fueron tan diferentes...
paradoxicus 2 years ago
Bach y Mozart, Mozart y Bach, los mayores genios de la historia de la música. Lástima que no fueran coetáneos y no pudieran conocerse.
sosamuera 2 years ago
The funny thing about the revolutionary wave of "barock-style" musicians (Harnoncourt, Koopman, Bruggen, Leonhardt, etc.) is the trash of conservative and intolerant bandwagon idiots that can't even understand the sheer impact and brilliance of Richter's reading of this piece (playing in the style played at the time) and his grasp of Bach's structure and energy... I'm sure brilliant men such as Harnoncourt and Leonhardt are capable of appreciating his work without being style fundamentalists!
zezeoli 2 years ago 7
se oye 1 poco mal los bajos de la cuerda
jewish1972 2 years ago
The trumpets are "supposed" to be very loud. ;)
bubblykings 2 years ago
modern trumptes are much louder than Bach ones.. even if we don't know what kind of instrument he used to write for.
gaemp 2 years ago
@gaemp If we don't know what instrument he used to write for, how can we know that modern trumpets are much louder than the trumpets he wrote for?
jacobflaschen 2 years ago
Technology helped a lot in the construction of brass instrument: now they have valves and metal is stronger: it helps the emission and power of the sound. Baroque natural trumpet (that you can also see in many video on YT, for example in Bach's 2nd Brandemburgh concert)) had the power of a modern silver flute... We only suppose that Bach wrote his music for that instrument, as there are many old pictures with so many kind of trumpets that didn't survive until today.
gaemp 2 years ago
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The airless, artificial-sounding Archiv digital recording from that time seriously hurts it though, and I think Gardiner's a bit too cold and stiff. I liked Koopman's pure and lively take on it more, though like Gardiner he doesn't always manage to keep the overall flow going. My favorites are Herreweghe II and most of all Harnoncourt II. And the problem with this interpretation isn't the tempo (Harnoncourt actually takes 15 seconds more for this movement), but the articulation: It's too stiff.
Nachtmarchen 3 years ago
The shots of the chorus are fantastic here.
The first time I sang this, i felt the closest
to exhalted living ever. Thank you, B.
Quincypop 3 years ago 2
Victoria exalts me even morethan this
jewish1972 2 years ago
YES YES YES! That is the best recording ever!!
Rohhaut 3 years ago
Exactly
car2052 3 years ago
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FriendlyCroock 3 years ago
Sounds powerful.
Risayogi 3 years ago 2
this pice is my favorite choral pice ever written by Bach.Its so lively and very fast.
shaneallen1982 3 years ago
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Username41291 3 years ago
This is NOT faster than Herreweghe. Who was it who said that anyways?
Lotiolenti 3 years ago
Nope its for real!!!!! Try listening to 'Magnificat'
kasanical 3 years ago
Trumpets are way too loud. Continuo all the way!
damdarch 3 years ago 2
*falls asleep*... xD
TheCookDude 3 years ago
you kids are the yuppiest of the yuppies on youtube.
jasonroxorz 3 years ago
Hi everyone..Can someone please tell me where can i download this music from?? i really need it asap..if anyone has this music please let me know..thanks guys... God Bless!!
nonzkiez84 3 years ago
A lively, spirited performance...but the trumpet is a little overbalanced versus the chorus and the rest of the orchestra.
kelsiejackson 3 years ago 5
Excellent trumpets!
car2052 3 years ago 3
I think it is Maurice André who plays the first trumpet!
dodovogel1987 3 years ago
maybe, but i thought i heard it was Pierre Thibauld.
car2052 3 years ago
It is Pierre Thibaud!
ojtrumpet 3 years ago 2
BASSO CONTINUO
bigdonkey002 3 years ago 13
It's interesting, but the faster movements of the Mass, Richter interprets much better. He runs into trouble with the slower movements. Although I think he's having a little trouble constraining the enthusiasm of his singers as they tend to rush the tempo in the fugal sections, (again the tenors). But overall the reading is much improved. The orchestra is simply a delight.
Arnold3135 3 years ago
How about something similar about the Nature?
Some phylosophical lyrics or smth?
adorianvlad 4 years ago
As far as I know, there is nothing similar about Nature. No wonder, God is above it...
mendoncacorreia 4 years ago
It seems like you didn't get the chance, maybe, to enjoy spending some time on a alpine meadow as i did. You should try this, I promise you will change your mind.
Or perhaps if you can't do that, try the music by Dan Gibson, nature music.
Take care
adorianvlad 4 years ago
Of course, there's nothing of the sort of "alpine meadowlands" in my own Portugal - but, believe me, you may enjoy here the most lovely sunsets there are in the world!
I may add that Lisbon has a very exquisite light, considered by some fine painters to be far, far better than Paris!
Nevertheless, God still is above all this...
mendoncacorreia 4 years ago
indeed, I've googled for some "portugal sunset" photos and they are beautiful.
Up in the mountains, the rarefied atmosphere
allows you to see afar, in special when is a sunny day; I doubt it can be matched at the sea level.
You are talking about the Lisbon night city lights? Where do you get to look at the city, from some height like a highrise or a hill?
Well, as long as religious music is creating for you such an emotion, its great.
adorianvlad 4 years ago
The best look you can get of Lisbon is from the Monument to Christ-the-King (on the other bank of the river Tejo), during Spring - preferably at sunset. A former teacher of mine - a Spaniard, born in the 20s, very cosmopolitan - told me once he never saw such natural beauty anywhere!...
mendoncacorreia 4 years ago
I'll keep that in mind, thank you,
if I'll ever get the chance to be in Lisbon.
Truth is, I have a feeling that most cities in the world, big or small, have their "secret spots" for an outstanding scenery.
adorianvlad 4 years ago
Try Phillip Glass' Einstein on the Beach. There's nature and philosophy a plenty.
Arnold3135 3 years ago
Esecuzione mozzafiato, grandiosa e solenne in modo insuperabile.
cremoneser 4 years ago
amazing performance !
balbin23 4 years ago
what building is this performed in? It's huge
Shogunmiyuchan 4 years ago
a great interpretation...monumental. Thanks!
Yossi1960 4 years ago 2
The first trumpeter is the late Pierre Thibaud
ojtrumpet 4 years ago
Now that's a trumpet!
latitude310 4 years ago
this is awesome! 10 stars!!!
npisvaj 4 years ago 3
BACHTASTIC!
gataca1976 4 years ago
Isn't it funny to see how anybody could believe that a masterpiece of an high priest of JSB can be judged a nightmare only because it's not played on period instrument? This lets you understand how marketing can influence the taste - if any - in people who at least try to approach music.
Busillis67 4 years ago 2
Amen!
Gorboduc 4 years ago
AWESOME!!! All that energy, all the extasis, packaged in one of the most bright and imaginative fugues you will ever hear. If you ever have the chance to hear this fugue in real time sung by a decent choir and a decent orchestra, don't miss it. It's an experience that will last you forever. Thank you Meister Bach!
onionpizza 4 years ago
I much prefer the period instrument versions, but this is a wonderful video.
Karl Richter is such an important figure in the performance of Bach's music [along with his contemporaries, Fritz Werner, Gustav Leonhardt and Harnoncourt] that his place in music history is assured.
Bachsoboe 4 years ago
This one rocks for me....dynamite...gets the led out...trumpets always seem too loud with Bach, but, being both a chorister and a rock guitarist, I dig it....Thank you very much!
songblam 4 years ago
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This has nothing to do with historical performance. This is just typical german tradition Bach, which is simply a nightmare!
AlexandrosV 4 years ago
Richter's Bach a "nightmare"?!?... I agree with brinmat, the microphones were simply too close to the trumpets. I own a different performance of the Mass by Richter (on CD... no video, sorry) and it's absolutely balanced, a definitive masterpiece: I would say, Bach himself would have directed that way... ;-)
Elhombresombra 4 years ago
It is not historical but of course also not a nighmare!
StuporMundi86 4 years ago
Ridiculous. This is quite probably far better than anything Bach could have imagined.
sonata1992 4 years ago
you have no idea what are you talking about! music is not something which is paralized. music is abstract. is invisible. is there to be played, with spirit, with passion, with heart. music is not like a sculpture or a paint. music is there to be celebrated. bach would be very proud about all we've been doing with his music!!!!!!!!
du hast keine ahnung!!!!!!!!
gataca1976 4 years ago
I've become rather disillusioned with your line of thinking.
sonata1992 4 years ago
oooooo the trompetti!!!! :)))
RADAMES1983 4 years ago
Trumpets are too loud maybe...
RiccardoP1983 5 years ago
I'll grant the trumpets are too loud. Probably too close to the recorder. I think their clarity is rough because of the recording... the singing itself is impeccable. As for the "choir barking" comment... This is how the choir normally sounds for this movement if done in a historically accurate baroque way. If you don't like it, I guess this isn't for you.
brinmat 5 years ago
Wow this is big band Bach! And it works!
etucker82 5 years ago
Then post it @ you tube!
muenster1648 5 years ago 2
Aamazing. just amazing and beautiful.
aavvaa 5 years ago
This section is magnificent..
solti 5 years ago