I still think its funny muscle car dudes come watch honda videos. 1 cause are cars are small and sexy unlike your oversized overweight big block blah blah. 2 you just throw the biggest motor you can find and thats it. we build our motor to our cars and our car to our motor. SMALLER ENGINE SMALLER CAR JUST ENGINEERED TO PERFECTION
Uh…300HP? Like a run of the mill 350 crate engine? Good work, I guess. Seems like a lot of effort and money for 300HP. Killer VTEC? Thats really funny.
@Warblade118 300hp is ALOT of hp for a 4 banger. 300hp is a WEAK amount of power for a V8. Also, all muscle car people tend to forget power to weight. Which the honda would win in. Im not supporting either side, just stating the facts.
@320bit All muscle car people tend to forget power/weight? Sounds like a generalization to me.
Many (not all) import people tend to forget that 1: not all muscle cars are heavy. And 2: it's MUCH cheaper/easier to build power in big engines.
HP/L is fine and all, but so what if some 1.8L makes 250HP @10,000rpm and a 7.4L makes 700 HP @ 7000rpm. Unless the 700HP is in a tank or the 250HP in on a roller skate you’re still going to going to lose in a car race.
@Warblade118 If its so easy to get more power out of a big engine, then why cant Americans do it? I mean come on, a GT Mustang with the 4.6L V8 producing something like 225hp stock? Thats just garbage. Also, a 2 door hatch honda will weigh less than pretty much any stock muscle car :)
@320bit Let me ask you a larger scale question. How much does it cost to make 300HP from a 2 door hatch Honda? How much for 500HP? 800? 1000? 1500? 2000?
Also why fixate on a newer Mustang? Back in the 60's Ford had a NA 427ci 600HP SOHC engine. Dodge and Chevy both had around 520HP 427's and that was using technology from what, 40-50 years ago? Show me were Honda or any of the other imports have ever put something like that on the street using even modern technology.
@Warblade118 When did a stock ford in the 60s come with 600hp AND sohc? I certainly dont know what your looking at. Maybe 200hp if that. Not only that a 427 is a HUGE V8 (well, alot bigger than what you see in alot of cars today) but I can tell you it didnt come with 600hp stock in the 60s. There wasnt such a thing as 600hp in the 60s.
And I find it amusing you’re holding 40 year old engines to the standard of today. And I don’t even know what to say about the “maybe 200HP comment.” You are either trying to be foolish, or are completely ignorant of the kind of power the Ford, Chevy, Dodge 427’s produced in the 60‘s. Before the EPA screwed everything up these engines were producing in excess of 500HP stock.
Fwi: I never said a Ford came with 600HP I said the engine was available.
The 427 SOHC “Cammer” as it was know was available through Ford under part number C6AE-6007-363S. The engine developed between 616 and 657HP depending on induction. It was an extremely rare engine meant more for NASCAR of the day and was eventually banned. Some of these engines found their way into other cars originally intended to have FE motors, or drag racing applications.
@Warblade118 Yea....no. Even before the 60s, when the first V8s started appearing they were horrible with hp per litre. They always have been. Granted they are getting better, but no. And also, you not only contradicted yourself but then basically stated that what you contradicted actually had nothing at all to do with anything here? Hmm.
@320bit Lol Classic. You have still failed to answer any of my points likely for two reasons. One, its hard to argue against facts, and/or two, you don’t know what your talking about so you have to try to shift everything in some other direction. I’m not talking about a run of the mill low end 260’s or 302’s. I’m talking about the 520HP 427ci muscle car engines of the 60‘s!
@Warblade118 But you just said you were talking about nascar engines that werent put into production cars? So out of the 60s you can only find ONE V8 that could produce any power and its like a 7+L only making 500hp~? Thats still pathetic.
@320bit Fords SOHC was AVAILABLE over the parts counter to anyone who could afford it. Ford built it with NASCAR in mind like a lot of other engines of the time, (the boss 429, the Dodge hemi, etc.) and it made between about 620 and 650HP which is pretty fucking awesome under any standard. Some of the more “common” high end engines were the Chevy and Dodge 427’s at over 520HP. This was 40 freaking years ago! No EFI, no VVT, no 4V/cyl. And 520HP!
For God’s sake, these engines were thumping out over 500HP when most of the import companies either didn’t exist, or were in their infancy making 90HP tin cans. And you still keep saying that making 520HP from a 7L is pathetic. Have you ever been in a car with 520HP and enough torque to spin the world backward? Or would you rather drive a 180HP 1.8L? I’m sure you could handle the latter.
I'd love to see that 1.8L make its 100HP/L with carbs, 2 valves/cylinder, and no VVT.
@Warblade118 Yes, even if they were claiming 500hp on these engines also remember that back then engines power output was rated differently. And also remember that carbs give better performance than efi, efi was introduced for fuel economy mostly. Youv still only mentioned ONE V8 from that time period that claimed itself to come 600hp+ stock (which I still doubt it put that power out without forced induction). When your average V8 back then was HUGE and only put out 250hp at best.
@Warblade118 Also all these japanese car companies like Honda were around in the 60s, they just didnt start importing them to America until the mid late 70s. Mercedes, has been around since 1880 something and was actually the first to use the combustion engine in a car, and the first to introduce efi in 1954. Fact is, American engines have ALWAYS been behind on technology and thats mostly why they cant get any power from them.
@320bit The irony of your statement is actually many of the muscle car engines of the 60’s were UNDER rated for insurance, among other things. And when the same engine is dynoed today we’re seeing much higher numbers than what was claimed in the 60’s. And 500HP was awesome from a 427...40 years ago. Why do you think you can sit there and judge these engines on 2010 standards? No shit a modern supercar engine has more HP/L. A modern supercar also costs 10 times what an old muscle car costs.
@Warblade118 Funny that I think 500hp from a 7L is pathetic. Hmm. Why is that? Oh, probably becuz most supercar V8s (lambos and ferraris etc) are only 4L-6L and put out in excess of 500-600hp. European engines just give you more power per litre cuz they are better designed.
@320bit Yeah, many of the import brands technically “existed” in the 60’s. But they weren’t making (and the Japanese still don’t) 400-500HP engines for the street either.
And you still seem to be under the misguided idea that its all about HP/L. I had to laugh at you when you had nothing to say about my question of would you rather drive a 1.8L 180HP car, or a 520HP 7L car? It sounds like you’d rather have the 180HP.
@Warblade118 I would rather have the 1.8L if its producing 180hp stock. As Im sure I could bolt on parts for little cost and get alot of power out of it. And with a big ass heavy 7L V8 thats most likely in a big ass heavy car, my power to weight with my small light engine in my light car would, well there would be no contest.
@320bit In order for your 180HP to even have a chance of keeping up with a full sized 3500lb car (and I that’s not even stuffing 520HP in something light like a Monza) with 520HP your car would have to weigh around 1300lbs. Meanwhile, I’ll have a nice looking, fast, full sized car that’s worth something in 20 years. You’ll have a fast, striped out shitbox that’s worthless now. Still want that 180HP engine and featherweight car?
@Warblade118 And those ferrari and lambo V8s are rated 500+hp TODAY. Back in the 60s if they rated them the way America did youd probably see something like 1,000+hp on the same engine.
@320bit Okay, now I know you’re talking out of your ass. “Carbs give better performance than EFI”
Wrong! The biggest problem with carbs is the restriction of the venturi, which EFI doesn’t have. EFI also more precisely controls fuel use at a given speed and HP and introduces the fuel into the air stream as a fine mist which leads to better combustion and/or more HP. The advantage to a carb is low cost, simplicity, and ease to tune.
@Warblade118 You can tune a carb ALOT easier than you can tune an efi system.....obviously youv never worked with carbs. So far Iv rebuilt 3. Why do you think in drag racing people that use V8s mostly use carbs over efi? In the interest of performance carbs destroy efi. Ask any real gearhead. And your the one who started bringing up 40 year old engines that have nothing to do with anything, and were shit then and shit now.
@320bit Lets see, I just told you some of the advantages of a carb, and what some or the advantages of EFI are, you repeat one of the carb’s advantages back to me and not only conclude I’ve never worked with carbs, (even though we’ve never meant and you have no idea what’s sitting in my driveway) but that carbs make more power.
Do I need any more evidence than that? You talking out of your ass.
@320bit Dude, can you please keep the fuck track of what you say. You asked : “If its so easy to get more power out of a big engine, then why can’t Americans do it?” I answered: THEY HAVE. Then I went on to demonstrate how by going back to the days when the fucking government didn’t dictate what a car can be. The days of the muscle cars when you could get your hands on powerful engines form the factory much easier than you can today.
And that was using technology from 40 years ago!!! Sure compared to now most of the muscle cars had poor HP/L, again THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO!
And yeah, I’m sitting here telling you about muscle cars and have no idea what a carburetor even is. That’s probably the most retarded thing you said so far. I could be wrong, maybe the comment that you’d rather have the 180HP engine over the 520HP engine? Or that you compare 40 year old engines to modern supercars? I can’t decide which is more foolish.
@Warblade118 Im not saying that if I was going to tune up an engine that it would be a 4 banger. I would def start with a V8 platform. But your hp claims are just ridiculous. If you go back to that point in time, the hp per litre of american V8s only gets WORSE not better.
@Warblade118 Im not saying that if I was going to tune up an engine that it would be a 4 banger. I would def start with a V8 platform. But your hp claims are just ridiculous. If you go back to that point in time, the hp per litre of american V8s only gets WORSE not better.
@Warblade118 Also, if you had 250hp on skates, you could beat pretty much any moving thing :) As your power to weight ratio will be far greater than even a bugatti veyron. So good luck racing a guy on skates with 250hp :)
yeah because all ricers do performance mods? i thought a ricer was someone who added parts that doesnt help with performance, like the bodykits and shit. 300hp is so ricer. lol wow
im sure it built to but a 4 banger even built wont work to long abuseing it i mean not even a 8 superchared built with 1000 hp wont last you feel me now
I've seen k series hit 300 whp all motor.. but they were high comp builds with k24 block and k20-r head w/ ITB.. a stock k20 hitting 300hp is not heard of.
@numb3ron3 true but id rather have a non vtec single cam over the k20. F25 all day hooked up to a b or d trans will smash on almost anything. look up bisi f22a single cam pass
lol at the end he rubs the car and says its okay baby
lylxmunkee1 10 months ago
@sunnyddude yeah acuras are also ricer
sunnyahsan1 1 year ago
I still think its funny muscle car dudes come watch honda videos. 1 cause are cars are small and sexy unlike your oversized overweight big block blah blah. 2 you just throw the biggest motor you can find and thats it. we build our motor to our cars and our car to our motor. SMALLER ENGINE SMALLER CAR JUST ENGINEERED TO PERFECTION
dohczc420 1 year ago
Uh…300HP? Like a run of the mill 350 crate engine? Good work, I guess. Seems like a lot of effort and money for 300HP. Killer VTEC? Thats really funny.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 300hp is ALOT of hp for a 4 banger. 300hp is a WEAK amount of power for a V8. Also, all muscle car people tend to forget power to weight. Which the honda would win in. Im not supporting either side, just stating the facts.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit All muscle car people tend to forget power/weight? Sounds like a generalization to me.
Many (not all) import people tend to forget that 1: not all muscle cars are heavy. And 2: it's MUCH cheaper/easier to build power in big engines.
HP/L is fine and all, but so what if some 1.8L makes 250HP @10,000rpm and a 7.4L makes 700 HP @ 7000rpm. Unless the 700HP is in a tank or the 250HP in on a roller skate you’re still going to going to lose in a car race.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 If its so easy to get more power out of a big engine, then why cant Americans do it? I mean come on, a GT Mustang with the 4.6L V8 producing something like 225hp stock? Thats just garbage. Also, a 2 door hatch honda will weigh less than pretty much any stock muscle car :)
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit Let me ask you a larger scale question. How much does it cost to make 300HP from a 2 door hatch Honda? How much for 500HP? 800? 1000? 1500? 2000?
Also why fixate on a newer Mustang? Back in the 60's Ford had a NA 427ci 600HP SOHC engine. Dodge and Chevy both had around 520HP 427's and that was using technology from what, 40-50 years ago? Show me were Honda or any of the other imports have ever put something like that on the street using even modern technology.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 When did a stock ford in the 60s come with 600hp AND sohc? I certainly dont know what your looking at. Maybe 200hp if that. Not only that a 427 is a HUGE V8 (well, alot bigger than what you see in alot of cars today) but I can tell you it didnt come with 600hp stock in the 60s. There wasnt such a thing as 600hp in the 60s.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit You didn’t answer either of my points.
And I find it amusing you’re holding 40 year old engines to the standard of today. And I don’t even know what to say about the “maybe 200HP comment.” You are either trying to be foolish, or are completely ignorant of the kind of power the Ford, Chevy, Dodge 427’s produced in the 60‘s. Before the EPA screwed everything up these engines were producing in excess of 500HP stock.
Warblade118 1 year ago
Fwi: I never said a Ford came with 600HP I said the engine was available.
The 427 SOHC “Cammer” as it was know was available through Ford under part number C6AE-6007-363S. The engine developed between 616 and 657HP depending on induction. It was an extremely rare engine meant more for NASCAR of the day and was eventually banned. Some of these engines found their way into other cars originally intended to have FE motors, or drag racing applications.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 Yea....no. Even before the 60s, when the first V8s started appearing they were horrible with hp per litre. They always have been. Granted they are getting better, but no. And also, you not only contradicted yourself but then basically stated that what you contradicted actually had nothing at all to do with anything here? Hmm.
320bit 1 year ago
@Warblade118 The fact that remains is this: Your average 50-60s V8 would produce anywhere from 110hp to 225hp. And back then, that was alot of power.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit Lol Classic. You have still failed to answer any of my points likely for two reasons. One, its hard to argue against facts, and/or two, you don’t know what your talking about so you have to try to shift everything in some other direction. I’m not talking about a run of the mill low end 260’s or 302’s. I’m talking about the 520HP 427ci muscle car engines of the 60‘s!
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 But you just said you were talking about nascar engines that werent put into production cars? So out of the 60s you can only find ONE V8 that could produce any power and its like a 7+L only making 500hp~? Thats still pathetic.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit Fords SOHC was AVAILABLE over the parts counter to anyone who could afford it. Ford built it with NASCAR in mind like a lot of other engines of the time, (the boss 429, the Dodge hemi, etc.) and it made between about 620 and 650HP which is pretty fucking awesome under any standard. Some of the more “common” high end engines were the Chevy and Dodge 427’s at over 520HP. This was 40 freaking years ago! No EFI, no VVT, no 4V/cyl. And 520HP!
Warblade118 1 year ago
For God’s sake, these engines were thumping out over 500HP when most of the import companies either didn’t exist, or were in their infancy making 90HP tin cans. And you still keep saying that making 520HP from a 7L is pathetic. Have you ever been in a car with 520HP and enough torque to spin the world backward? Or would you rather drive a 180HP 1.8L? I’m sure you could handle the latter.
I'd love to see that 1.8L make its 100HP/L with carbs, 2 valves/cylinder, and no VVT.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 Yes, even if they were claiming 500hp on these engines also remember that back then engines power output was rated differently. And also remember that carbs give better performance than efi, efi was introduced for fuel economy mostly. Youv still only mentioned ONE V8 from that time period that claimed itself to come 600hp+ stock (which I still doubt it put that power out without forced induction). When your average V8 back then was HUGE and only put out 250hp at best.
320bit 1 year ago
@Warblade118 Also all these japanese car companies like Honda were around in the 60s, they just didnt start importing them to America until the mid late 70s. Mercedes, has been around since 1880 something and was actually the first to use the combustion engine in a car, and the first to introduce efi in 1954. Fact is, American engines have ALWAYS been behind on technology and thats mostly why they cant get any power from them.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit The irony of your statement is actually many of the muscle car engines of the 60’s were UNDER rated for insurance, among other things. And when the same engine is dynoed today we’re seeing much higher numbers than what was claimed in the 60’s. And 500HP was awesome from a 427...40 years ago. Why do you think you can sit there and judge these engines on 2010 standards? No shit a modern supercar engine has more HP/L. A modern supercar also costs 10 times what an old muscle car costs.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 Funny that I think 500hp from a 7L is pathetic. Hmm. Why is that? Oh, probably becuz most supercar V8s (lambos and ferraris etc) are only 4L-6L and put out in excess of 500-600hp. European engines just give you more power per litre cuz they are better designed.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit Yeah, many of the import brands technically “existed” in the 60’s. But they weren’t making (and the Japanese still don’t) 400-500HP engines for the street either.
And you still seem to be under the misguided idea that its all about HP/L. I had to laugh at you when you had nothing to say about my question of would you rather drive a 1.8L 180HP car, or a 520HP 7L car? It sounds like you’d rather have the 180HP.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 I would rather have the 1.8L if its producing 180hp stock. As Im sure I could bolt on parts for little cost and get alot of power out of it. And with a big ass heavy 7L V8 thats most likely in a big ass heavy car, my power to weight with my small light engine in my light car would, well there would be no contest.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit In order for your 180HP to even have a chance of keeping up with a full sized 3500lb car (and I that’s not even stuffing 520HP in something light like a Monza) with 520HP your car would have to weigh around 1300lbs. Meanwhile, I’ll have a nice looking, fast, full sized car that’s worth something in 20 years. You’ll have a fast, striped out shitbox that’s worthless now. Still want that 180HP engine and featherweight car?
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 And those ferrari and lambo V8s are rated 500+hp TODAY. Back in the 60s if they rated them the way America did youd probably see something like 1,000+hp on the same engine.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit Okay, now I know you’re talking out of your ass. “Carbs give better performance than EFI”
Wrong! The biggest problem with carbs is the restriction of the venturi, which EFI doesn’t have. EFI also more precisely controls fuel use at a given speed and HP and introduces the fuel into the air stream as a fine mist which leads to better combustion and/or more HP. The advantage to a carb is low cost, simplicity, and ease to tune.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 You can tune a carb ALOT easier than you can tune an efi system.....obviously youv never worked with carbs. So far Iv rebuilt 3. Why do you think in drag racing people that use V8s mostly use carbs over efi? In the interest of performance carbs destroy efi. Ask any real gearhead. And your the one who started bringing up 40 year old engines that have nothing to do with anything, and were shit then and shit now.
320bit 1 year ago
@320bit Lets see, I just told you some of the advantages of a carb, and what some or the advantages of EFI are, you repeat one of the carb’s advantages back to me and not only conclude I’ve never worked with carbs, (even though we’ve never meant and you have no idea what’s sitting in my driveway) but that carbs make more power.
Do I need any more evidence than that? You talking out of your ass.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@320bit Dude, can you please keep the fuck track of what you say. You asked : “If its so easy to get more power out of a big engine, then why can’t Americans do it?” I answered: THEY HAVE. Then I went on to demonstrate how by going back to the days when the fucking government didn’t dictate what a car can be. The days of the muscle cars when you could get your hands on powerful engines form the factory much easier than you can today.
Warblade118 1 year ago
And that was using technology from 40 years ago!!! Sure compared to now most of the muscle cars had poor HP/L, again THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO!
And yeah, I’m sitting here telling you about muscle cars and have no idea what a carburetor even is. That’s probably the most retarded thing you said so far. I could be wrong, maybe the comment that you’d rather have the 180HP engine over the 520HP engine? Or that you compare 40 year old engines to modern supercars? I can’t decide which is more foolish.
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118 Im not saying that if I was going to tune up an engine that it would be a 4 banger. I would def start with a V8 platform. But your hp claims are just ridiculous. If you go back to that point in time, the hp per litre of american V8s only gets WORSE not better.
320bit 1 year ago
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@Warblade118 Im not saying that if I was going to tune up an engine that it would be a 4 banger. I would def start with a V8 platform. But your hp claims are just ridiculous. If you go back to that point in time, the hp per litre of american V8s only gets WORSE not better.
320bit 1 year ago
@Warblade118 Also, if you had 250hp on skates, you could beat pretty much any moving thing :) As your power to weight ratio will be far greater than even a bugatti veyron. So good luck racing a guy on skates with 250hp :)
320bit 1 year ago
honda=ricer fwd=ricer
sunnyahsan1 1 year ago
@sunnyahsan1 300hp smokin dat mustags ass by plenty cars and only 4 cyl... ricer?
V6 stang & Camaros... are the worst thing ever made.
Cripton805 1 year ago
wheres the dyno sheet?
hondakidd303 1 year ago
hahahahaha it sounds like my blender. thats about all that car is good for...makin smoothies.
starr101010 1 year ago
@starr101010 go ahead choke on oil smoothie.
PumaM90 1 year ago
wow thts a killer RICER
sunnyahsan1 1 year ago
@sunnyahsan1
yeah because all ricers do performance mods? i thought a ricer was someone who added parts that doesnt help with performance, like the bodykits and shit. 300hp is so ricer. lol wow
MrDb1teggy 1 year ago
@sunnyahsan1 How on earth can u call this car a "ricer" lol.
phtmexplo 1 year ago
Ok, its loud but no need to wear those "headphones" or w/e they are called
hondannyboy 1 year ago
real track racer's don't even use vtec they all run toda vtec killer cams.
0spaceboy 2 years ago
thats nice but how long will that lil thing last with that much power
hollyholk 2 years ago
Long as they have the money that doesn't matter.
Popachoppacity 2 years ago
@hollyholk
What power?
Trollensteinowitz 2 years ago
lol true that
hollyholk 2 years ago
@hollyholk asl long as u want it to im sure the motor is built come on now.
0spaceboy 2 years ago
im sure it built to but a 4 banger even built wont work to long abuseing it i mean not even a 8 superchared built with 1000 hp wont last you feel me now
hollyholk 2 years ago
@hollyholk well for me it will i baby the shit out me car lol =)
0spaceboy 2 years ago
ya i feel you on that one i just spun a bearing in my dode stealth got new motor bunch other shit now i baby shit out of it lol
hollyholk 2 years ago
@hollyholk a whats up with people and this v tec bullshit
0spaceboy 2 years ago
its cheap as hell its easy fix dont last long and the movie fast and furious lol its what seperates the men from boys ya know
hollyholk 2 years ago
600HP???
bp1800 2 years ago
quite impossible for 300hp, maybe at the flywheel, but not on the wheels man
markcyn09 2 years ago
I've seen k series hit 300 whp all motor.. but they were high comp builds with k24 block and k20-r head w/ ITB.. a stock k20 hitting 300hp is not heard of.
numb3ron3 3 years ago 2
I got a A2 Stock internals and I'm at 254 to the flywheel for now
Charmer4856 2 years ago
@numb3ron3 true but id rather have a non vtec single cam over the k20. F25 all day hooked up to a b or d trans will smash on almost anything. look up bisi f22a single cam pass
dohczc420 1 year ago
veri good
danyayala25 3 years ago
WOW...THATS PRETTY LOUD! HP?
KILLERBJDMEF8 3 years ago 2
300HP ALL MOTOR.
VTAKATTACK 3 years ago
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bullshit
imcnblu 3 years ago
An all motor 300HP Civic is a little farfetched. I could see 250HP. Whats your Modification list consist of
rflindy89 3 years ago
That is not farfeched there are alot of 300hp all motor k20 civics
nitrousboy0311 3 years ago
only 300 HP - ALL MOTOR ??? without turbo? :D
ktosi11 2 years ago