Suez Crisis! British & French Warships to Middle East 1956/8/6

[westfalkland]

Stupid americans who stopped the british and the french! 

[drskeletone]

long live EGYPT

[ahmedaamm]

usa and britch and france and jew and wast vs egypt

egypt won

[NickB1967]

@RichardElden: Indeed. Along with not calling in airstrikes at Dien Bien Phu and not paying attention to events in Cuba, those were Ike's three major blunders.

[NickB1967]

@RichardElden: Sadly, Ike did the *wrong* thing, although UK/France/Israel not consulting the USA first was quite unwise.

[MynameisKayum]

Fuck Nasser!

[coordayaa]

iradiating food at argon bla bla like it's a minor detail thats creepy

gamma my gammon

no piggin' thanks

[hesha3000]

120,000 EGYPTIAN MAN died while digging it, it was slavery for a reticules payment and it was during the English occupation of Egypt...It is the least thing ever to take it back after the revolution

England ,France and Israel destroyed Egypt because of that...is that right?

[beepandbop]

I think it was Nasser's shitty attitude and France and England tired of it plus the fact that they viewed the Suez canal as part of their right and survival.

[kaioxygen]

@hesha3000 The canal was built by the Egyptian Universal Company of the Suez Maritime Canal in 1869, it had nothing whatsoever to do with Britain which didn't take comtrol untill 1882 If you want to blame someone for 120,000 deaths blame your own government.

[mrgeorgeallison]

@hesha3000 England? You mean the UK.

[fx100n]

fuck imperialism

[flyhead2]

My father was sent on this debacle, one of the greatest humiliations ever suffered by a Western nation. Eden should have been hanged.

[beepandbop]

How was it a humiliation? The Egyptians got a taste of their own medicine.

[flyhead2]

You simply don't have a clue.

[beepandbop]

I'll be frank with you: You're a whack job who has nothing better to think about in your life than pointless conspiracy theories that have been disproved countless times and didn't make much sense to begin with.

[kaioxygen]

My father was actually a marine on HMS Theseus and served in Suez

[YogaNate79]

A spectacular and eye opening defeat indeed for the mother country. Suez will go down in the history books as another Yorktown, New Orleans, Gallipoli, or a Dunkirk.

[theredraven]

Militarily, Suez was an excellently executed invasion. It's the politics that lost it for us.

[PoohShoes]

Nasser agreed to the 1954 Anglo-Egyptian treaty, he completely disregarded it when he nationalised the canal. The purpose of the UN Charter is to maintain international peace, Obviously Egypt didn't even read the charter! As soon as they signed it they decided to combine forces with Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, to try and destroy Isreal in the first Arab-Israeli War! The fact is Egypt was out of line in 1956 and America didn't do the right thing and back Britain up.

[NickB1967]

@PoohShoes: As well as not calling in USA airstrikes at Dien Bien Phu, Suez was Ike's other major blunder. That said, the UK and France not consulting the USA first, especially after the Marshall Plan, was *very* unwise.

[RowdyBoosehound]

Hell yeah Pete Everest......such balls. He actually took over flights of the original Bell X-1 after Chuck Yeager went supersonic for the first time.

[YogaNate79]

The Suez Crisis confirmed Britain's decline on the world stage, and demonstrated that henceforth it could no longer act without at least the acquiescence, if not the full support, of the United States. The events at Suez wounded British national pride, leading one MP to describe it as "Britain's Waterloo" and another to suggest that the country had become an "American satellite".

[preaman1]

don't really matter any more does it?

[kingJAMES383]

yay israel

[braindead87]

Preach it mowhok2, youre so right we had it won,, we just had to stay there but the pm backed down to the US

[braindead87]

Britain and France had tried to compromise over the Suez canal,and Nasser would not listen due to his desire to be a Arab martyr, and in answer to amustads comment the US simply backed down to USSR aggression in order to save its own sorry ass like it did throughout the cold war (except in the korean war)and it paved the way for US imperialism which is much worse, and you mention greed and conquest what about Iraq and its oil.

[egyptgirl2007]

long live egypt

[Calum169]

Well Nassar had promised the British and French that he wouldn't open up the canal to the world. Also Nassar was planning on using the money raised from the canal to fund the Fedayeen who were performing Guerrila raids on Isreal

[bostongraduate]

actually, most of the funds were going toward building the Aswan Dam, which would provide irrigation and hydro-electric power to about 1/3 of Egypt. Nasser's main goal when coming to power was to modernize Egypt. The whole Fedayeen issue was a pretty minor one as far as Nasser was concerned...

[Calum169]

Well be that is it may, Nasser did promise not to open up the canal to nationilse the canal, and anyway the US and Britain offered money for the dam so Nasser did it to aggrovate the west

[bostongraduate]

Nasser only nationalized the canal AFTER the U.S., Britain, and the World Bank pulled their money out. It was more of a last resort since there was no other way to fund it after that. The West had felt his foreign policy was too "independent", which led to them reneging on the deal.

[fittydollar]

Just Britain and France trying to preserve their empires by protecting their precious Suez Canal that was "Built by Egyptians" and in Egypt lol.

[Typon]

fucking american backstabbers who supported nasser.

[amustad]

You're lucky the US forced you to quit your illegal invasion of the Suez Canal otherwise you may have been nuked by the USSR! The US acted with restraint and wisdom while the EU powers acted for greed and conquest. It also marked the beginning of the end of your colonial power around the world...thank goodness!

[Calum169]

Excuse me, illegal invasion? Irag!!!!! and as for being thankful, u were meant to be our allies but sided with the enemy and threatened to bankrupt the British economy if we didn't do what u wanted, and anyway Vietnam wasn't all that legal!

[chuftain]

and had it been the panama canal?

[mowhok2]

what crap; the us acted in there own intrest as they always do. we should have ignored you and carried on but our pm was a spinless gimp

[ohrmets]

If Eden had "carried on" there would have been a run on the sterling and the British economy would have gone bankrupt. The Suez intervention was an utterly stupid idea from the start (but hey, the US invaded Iraq so I can't say too much).

[merseyside]

ohrmets makes me laugh when you slag off the west ,and wow were do you live ,london, look what every individual african nation today ,and see the corruption ,most are far worse than when the british were there,a lot of african nations have had their indepenence for 40 or more years and look at zimbabwe ,great example,idi amin etc,look at all the dictators and what theve done, funny how they all stayed in the british commonweath though concidering we were so bad,

[ohrmets]

I wasn't trying to slag off the West. You are right that African nations are pretty good at screwing up their own countries by themselves. I was trying to point out that while everyone blames everything that is bad in the world on the US, we should remember that Britain and France were the Third World's original targets of hate. The US (which isn't blame-free) has inherited that old colonial legacy from the Europeans because it is the current dominant superpower.

[dkrustyklown]

I kind wish you would have, too.

The collapse of the British empire would have been more spectacular that way.

Hell, you people would have probably ended up as Soviet satellites.

[theredraven]

I doubt the Soviets would have been able to do that. The only way to defeat us on our homeland effectively would have to destroy us with nuclear weapons first.

And the Empire didn't collapse. We gave it away, letting amny nations have their freedome.

Ironic that some of them were better off in it than out of it isn't it?

[merseyside]

amustad ,illegal invasion,what you on about,it was our intrests we were protecting,it was built with french and british money,all our merchant fleet used it to gat access to the east, to end our colonial power you say,why so america could take over the world,look what has happend in a lot of ex colonies ,see if they are better off today,no there not.

wisdom,the USA,haha

[merseyside]

were was USA,S wisdom in vietnam,you wanted the UK to be involved,harold wilson said no,now thats wisdom,what did you our ally do,withdraw from a deal between US and UK,some ally and rather childish,what about panama decades later,you said .we were protecting the canal,and usa,s intrests,bit of a hippocrite if you ask me.america occupying texas was illegal,you took it by force of arms,greneda was illegal,iraq,illegal,

[merseyside]

you only ordered us to leave because we never told you abouut the attack,you spat your dummy out and told us to withdraw,some allies you lot are, you call for help and we were there in iraq and afganistan,if its to do with your intrests ,you,ll walk over everyone,your friends to to get what you want

[amustad]

I'd reply if I could make out your very poor English.  Perhaps if you try a little harder I could find a few valid points.

[dkrustyklown]

Hey you worthless limeys refused to aid us in Vietnam, so that's that.

[merseyside]

without us useless limeys as you say, youd be a laughing stock of the world,you always need us as back up,to justify your military campaigns,

yes you could do it yourselves ,but youd be isolated on your own,dickhead

[PoohShoes]

You seem a little confused over world history, Britain supported America in it's war against communism, commonwealth troops took part in the Vietnam conflict. However, as history show's America mismanaged the War completely. If your nation had followed Britain's example in Malaya Vietnam wouldn't have been taken over by the communist's, and a great many lives would have been saved. Your nation should have backed Britain during the Suez Crisis, but you let Britain down.

[Hperman09]

@PoohShoes But now, it seems like talking is the only way and we had a wise president that ended the Suez conflict easily could result more casualties. Kinda like how in Libya we joined and now NATO without the US lead is now bogged down in Libya and now they trying to find a way out. I think we joined in NATO-led campaign in Libya, maybe it would ended early but joining in means that we make thing worse and now we are bogged down.

[theredraven]

Vietnam was sometime after this. We'd aided you in Kora a few years before this. That was a fight worth fighting. Vietnam was a waste of time.

[ohrmets]

Remember it was the Europeans, especially the British and the French, who totally screwed up Africa, the Middle East and SE Asia with their colonialism. That's the reason why they now hate the West so much, they just happen to project that hatred mostly on the US because it is the current dominant power. If the UK was a superpower it would be receiving all the hate. But the US has screwed up plenty of stuff on its own, too, so the blame goes all around.

[PoohShoes]

There haven't been any colonial powers in Africa for over 30 years, Africa is screwed up because of the Africans! Do you really think they were all just living happily together before colonialism?! tribal boundaries were not formed through peacefull negotiations,eg. The Zulus were a warrior nation they formed their nation by killing the opposition. Africans are still killing each other the only difference is the weapons! If British influence had remained in Africa it would be far more stable.

[preaacstal]

@PoohShoes I think, if British influence had remained, Africans would have had a common 'enemy' to fight for 'liberty' in the superficial sense. Now though, its fighting for one nation or tribes strength and power over another. Ironic really :P

[1lilju]

@PoohShoes SHM......



[dkrustyklown]

The UN Charter grants member states the right to nationalize any and all properties within their respective territories.

It doesn't matter how paid for building the canal. If it is located in Egypt and the Egyptian government wants to take it, then it's Egyptian.

THAT'S THE LAW.

[theredraven]

We actually ignored the Russians and they didn't do anything. Nikata didn't have balls, as shown when he picked a fight with JFK.

[polygamous1]

when he picked a fight as u say with JFK it was less than 2 minutes left to hell when JFKs brother picked the phone n offered the usa to remove from turkey their nuclear warhead missiles BUT he asked this to be kept secret so america appears it won if that was tha case usa/israel ould have attacked iran with nukes as bush was prepairing the us public of the need ti use tactical nuclea warheads 120M Russian eec us israel japan n still need to surround them Russian are the best fighters on earth

[hegone93]

ahh, sweet Russian propaganda. Americans aren't plotting your destruction, get over it

[xraysierra]

Its pretty interesting to see some past news reels...