Mrselfrog-thank you for your response;I think I had to repeat my comment and i didn't realize the second time,I didn't include I had 5+yrs of pastoral counseling for being the victim of ministerial malpractice.IAfter that I had aprox 3yrs more counseling from our County Adult Mental Health-and was placed on medication only then did I really finally start to feel better.Like I said It's taken me almost 10 years now to finally feel better,I was 'spiritually raped' by that church.
This happened to me,I was a victim of 'ministerial malpractice'. I called him the 'sinister minister',and still do ,its been bout 9ish yrs.Their church appeared to be like any other church,but was a 'cult'-'cults' can be very subtle-I went to another later, that turned out to be a cult too, in a milder form, and was spiritually harmed there too.Too many churches are bound up in rules in the 'tradition of man' that have nothing to do with the Bible-The Bible is taken literally,and misunderstood.
The "sinister minister" IS great! The damage this group did to us may haunt us forever-- I know it has been three years and we still feel the blow back from having been so taken advantage of... I look at these videos I did so long ago and can see how nervous and upset, and still.. dare I say it.... a little crazy. *Normally* there are deeper issues at work inmat be good for you to seek out some counseling, us who fall for these cons-- it has done us a world of good.
This Christ Life Centered Cult twists scriptures for double honor, which was really for people over 65, not someone who has had several sex relationships; who teaches lies. The leaders teach bless me with your money and God will bless you. Warning your loved ones about the true meaning of tithes will get you shunned. He teaches you're supposed to throw $ at his feet. Their members work for Free for them. He charges people to ride in the church van. Bring food to the banquet or you can't eat!
My daughter involved in a cult in Tacoma WA. The wallers. This false apostle & wife leads their members around on a spiritual leash w/fortune telling and the stupidest false prophesies I've ever heard! They ruinned my daughter's ability to think for herself. They taught her to view non tithers as evil and not in the truth. She idolizes them and they've convinced her she is a prophet. My main concern is they're bliking her out of so much money!
You know, we had a very supportive family. They were kind and patient and did not get into philosophy arguements.. my time with them was nice and it got to where I was feeling deprived of my personal life. We had a "don't talk rule" but after 3 years i started telling my family the kind of things I'd seen. They were great. There is A LOT you don't know. But I would do what my family did because there is no reasoning with the un reasonable. Check out faithandreasons.
This comment was left by a member (or "leader") of the cult I left. See, eight months of later they are still being controlling and stalker creepy. Notice the comments left on my other videos. THIS is why you need to look for these traits and leave gracefully.
Oh and by the way that threat u gave me about your husband figuring out who I am is against the law! Hacking is a serious offense! The only way u can figure out who I am is to hack and we all know thats what he does for a living is mess with computers! So if I even suspect he is messing with my familys computer I will HIRE someone to come over here and prove it! So feel free!!
I think maybe you should get saved and stop being a tool for the devil! A christian woman gets on her face and prays for leaders and members not spend their days sitting in front of a computer bashing GODS people!!! Maybe if u would repent and turn from your wicked ways your life would have meaning...and you could spend more time with family or just being a human!!
You sound exactly like my old cult leader or one of their cronies. I guess I'll get hubby on figuring out who you are, because after she freaked out that poor girl at the radio station, I think monetary damages aren't going to be ard to recover. Who's the tool now?
These "Leaders" advocated Christian kidnapping and sodomy. As a mother and wife I saw who they were before they made any threats. If that is a wicked way, I think I'll stay in it. Thank you.
Hi, I'm looking forward to view the rest ofthis series. I got seduced into this kind of make-up, and it took a while before the Holy Ghost set me feet back on the straight and narrow path, plus allowed me to graze again on the Pastures of the words from His sacred Book.
I am so happy I found your video. I no longer feel like I am alone. By the way, I was excommunicated, hounded, lied about and my life was ruined by my former pastor. Three years later, I find I am still afraid to go to the grocery store. This is how much power some pastors have. No matter who I tried to get to listen when I explained what he was like, no one would listen, he was just too respectable.
I've only left 45 months ago, and i was "stupid" enough to believe tha was long enough for things to settle, when the fem pastor started tracking down ppl who commented on my old web log. Yeah, crazy ppl out there!!
OK... I AM the church and Christ is my Pastor. Jesus is the Head of the church, not it's supports-- you write like you are caught up in the dogma of a "four walls" doctrine.
I'm married, so I would not chase another man, and my husband could give a darn about titles or power...Are you saying I'm trying to do my savior or that hubby is brown nosing him?!
Wow, I feel insulted, and I bet you were trying to be "edifying" is this why atheist try so hard to convert us backwoods superstitious folks?
I am very honored by your reference to me. I look forward to watching your videos and collaborating with you and your husband to inform and equip the Body of Christ.
We're going thru this now. Whoooowee..
areyoublinddenver 3 months ago
Hey the two of the links in your description are no longer up and running.
BearyTru 1 year ago
Mrselfrog-thank you for your response;I think I had to repeat my comment and i didn't realize the second time,I didn't include I had 5+yrs of pastoral counseling for being the victim of ministerial malpractice.IAfter that I had aprox 3yrs more counseling from our County Adult Mental Health-and was placed on medication only then did I really finally start to feel better.Like I said It's taken me almost 10 years now to finally feel better,I was 'spiritually raped' by that church.
Newbergsnyder3 2 years ago
Yeah, it took meds for me too!
mrselfrog 2 years ago
This happened to me,I was a victim of 'ministerial malpractice'. I called him the 'sinister minister',and still do ,its been bout 9ish yrs.Their church appeared to be like any other church,but was a 'cult'-'cults' can be very subtle-I went to another later, that turned out to be a cult too, in a milder form, and was spiritually harmed there too.Too many churches are bound up in rules in the 'tradition of man' that have nothing to do with the Bible-The Bible is taken literally,and misunderstood.
Newbergsnyder3 2 years ago
The "sinister minister" IS great! The damage this group did to us may haunt us forever-- I know it has been three years and we still feel the blow back from having been so taken advantage of... I look at these videos I did so long ago and can see how nervous and upset, and still.. dare I say it.... a little crazy. *Normally* there are deeper issues at work inmat be good for you to seek out some counseling, us who fall for these cons-- it has done us a world of good.
mrselfrog 2 years ago
This Christ Life Centered Cult twists scriptures for double honor, which was really for people over 65, not someone who has had several sex relationships; who teaches lies. The leaders teach bless me with your money and God will bless you. Warning your loved ones about the true meaning of tithes will get you shunned. He teaches you're supposed to throw $ at his feet. Their members work for Free for them. He charges people to ride in the church van. Bring food to the banquet or you can't eat!
007agentgrace 3 years ago
My daughter involved in a cult in Tacoma WA. The wallers. This false apostle & wife leads their members around on a spiritual leash w/fortune telling and the stupidest false prophesies I've ever heard! They ruinned my daughter's ability to think for herself. They taught her to view non tithers as evil and not in the truth. She idolizes them and they've convinced her she is a prophet. My main concern is they're bliking her out of so much money!
007agentgrace 3 years ago
You know, we had a very supportive family. They were kind and patient and did not get into philosophy arguements.. my time with them was nice and it got to where I was feeling deprived of my personal life. We had a "don't talk rule" but after 3 years i started telling my family the kind of things I'd seen. They were great. There is A LOT you don't know. But I would do what my family did because there is no reasoning with the un reasonable. Check out faithandreasons.
mrselfrog 3 years ago
This comment was left by a member (or "leader") of the cult I left. See, eight months of later they are still being controlling and stalker creepy. Notice the comments left on my other videos. THIS is why you need to look for these traits and leave gracefully.
mrselfrog 3 years ago
Oh and by the way that threat u gave me about your husband figuring out who I am is against the law! Hacking is a serious offense! The only way u can figure out who I am is to hack and we all know thats what he does for a living is mess with computers! So if I even suspect he is messing with my familys computer I will HIRE someone to come over here and prove it! So feel free!!
saaved03 3 years ago
On 11/26/07 this was what we sent you in an email "Please do NOT call, write, email or make any other attempt to contact
me or my family again."
DO NOT continue to harass me or my family. ALL of your contact is unwelcome, unsolicited, and with out our consent.
mrselfrog 3 years ago
As far as I an concerned threats are a figment of your warped imagination!! So sick your husband on whatever u like!
saaved03 3 years ago
I think maybe you should get saved and stop being a tool for the devil! A christian woman gets on her face and prays for leaders and members not spend their days sitting in front of a computer bashing GODS people!!! Maybe if u would repent and turn from your wicked ways your life would have meaning...and you could spend more time with family or just being a human!!
saaved03 3 years ago
You sound exactly like my old cult leader or one of their cronies. I guess I'll get hubby on figuring out who you are, because after she freaked out that poor girl at the radio station, I think monetary damages aren't going to be ard to recover. Who's the tool now?
mrselfrog 3 years ago
These "Leaders" advocated Christian kidnapping and sodomy. As a mother and wife I saw who they were before they made any threats. If that is a wicked way, I think I'll stay in it. Thank you.
mrselfrog 3 years ago
Thank you. I will finish as soon as I can... really got a great idea for getting it across... :)
mrselfrog 4 years ago
Hi, I'm looking forward to view the rest ofthis series. I got seduced into this kind of make-up, and it took a while before the Holy Ghost set me feet back on the straight and narrow path, plus allowed me to graze again on the Pastures of the words from His sacred Book.
Love you much in the Spirit of Christ...
God bless.
joeXcel 4 years ago
I am so happy I found your video. I no longer feel like I am alone. By the way, I was excommunicated, hounded, lied about and my life was ruined by my former pastor. Three years later, I find I am still afraid to go to the grocery store. This is how much power some pastors have. No matter who I tried to get to listen when I explained what he was like, no one would listen, he was just too respectable.
Fellcaster 4 years ago
I've only left 45 months ago, and i was "stupid" enough to believe tha was long enough for things to settle, when the fem pastor started tracking down ppl who commented on my old web log. Yeah, crazy ppl out there!!
mrselfrog 4 years ago
sry just 5 months... going on 6
mrselfrog 4 years ago
OK... I AM the church and Christ is my Pastor. Jesus is the Head of the church, not it's supports-- you write like you are caught up in the dogma of a "four walls" doctrine.
I'm married, so I would not chase another man, and my husband could give a darn about titles or power...Are you saying I'm trying to do my savior or that hubby is brown nosing him?!
Wow, I feel insulted, and I bet you were trying to be "edifying" is this why atheist try so hard to convert us backwoods superstitious folks?
mrselfrog 4 years ago
If you are following people, then that's why you don't understand the church. The true church follows God. Jesus is the foundation of the church.
I find that women looking for a husband focuses on the male pastor as a husband, and the men looking for prestige, suck up to the pastor.
The only way to heaven is through Jesus. Sorry "ALL" churches are not cults, only those who focus on people.
Jesus Saves!
Jamie072 4 years ago
I am very honored by your reference to me. I look forward to watching your videos and collaborating with you and your husband to inform and equip the Body of Christ.
Thanks again, Kevin
NotYourTypicalNegro 4 years ago
:-)
mrselfrog 4 years ago
haha, mr. elfrog is hilarious. Can't wait to see more, good job. Amway...ugh.
PaulHarrison1976 4 years ago 2