i thought it was common knowledge that oberlin is an extremely liberal institution. political bias is pretty much unavoidable, even if it should be kept to a minimum. if it matters that much it would probably make sense for him to go to a more conservatively-oriented school, no? i'm all for an unbiased education, but seriously...
i guess this is to the college students: every institution has their ideological/philosophical model they work out of, w/ their list of intellectual opponents. even if they try to give you an opposing point of view in a fair/balanced way, they won't be able to. if you walk away from your school regurgitating your profs, you've missed the whole point of college, along w/ wasted time and money. your college degree equips you begin searching for answers; it doesn't give you one.
@shadowgeyser Listen... Eh, I was making a comment to Lee Doren here, not to religion. In fact, I haven't heard Lee Doren's position on religion. If my initial comment reads that way to you, fine. However, my point is simply that once in a while, science comes around and says stuff that we don't like, because it breaks with our views and philosophy about the world we live in. I think Lee Doren needs to reconsider listening to scientists, because history shows they're usually right...
@shadowgeyser I meant that the debate over the roundness of the earth is very much over. So your schooling on what the bible says on its shape is no longer useful. It was useful once, when the debate was still raging.
@shadowgeyser That's a very nice quote you got there, shadowgeyser. Perhaps if the religious nuts at the time knew about that quote as well as you, they wouldn't have put up such fierce opposition to the idea? Hm?
...Your schooling on religious texts is a tad bit late. That debate is over already.
This go-against-science, destroy intellectualism bullcrap is the exact same pathetic dynamic we saw at the advent of teaching people about the round planet, and evolution. So sorry if science is saying something you don't like....
Why are you guys so keen to spend money fighting in iraq to "save american lives", and completely against public, free health care??
@AmbientSmiley S. Frederick Starr, Oberlin College is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations , is a member of the Trilateral Commission and knows 33rd degree secret is the 1899 Alaska Earthquake - British Association record No. 333, at Shide. Isle of Wight on September 3 at three o’ three.
Nice lecture on how to deal with a closed minded instructor. It doesn't sound like he made his point about "leftists." He's implying that a "rightest" instructor would be open to decent in the classroom. Quite a leap.
Thanks, Lee, for telling me what I think. It's always nice to have people put words in my mouth. After all, only good things happen when a group is completely generalized. I'm going to go try to take over the country now, because I think I know what's best for everyone.
My most vivid memory of high-school is when my English professor literally told her class, "They [literacy tests] are stupid, but the government says we have to do them, because the government is stupid." I never realized I was growing up in a pro-government indoctrination camp.
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Gah, you make so many logical errors here.
As I've said in another of your videos, I've never had a liberal professor who tried to push his/her views on anyone. In fact, the only one who really brought up his views in an unnecessary time was a conservative! (I'm in poli-sci and history, by the way, which seem most susceptible to bias)
You seem to encourage people to reject anything learned in class if it disagrees with pre-existing views, which is absurd no matter what your political persuasion.
option of denying ppl for preconditions? whooooot?
-30+mio. ppl are without care, but it aren* t allways the same but they com and go and they pay in , and then they are off. so it means that probably 30 mio. are paying into and have nothing fom it!?
yeah, that is definately the right approach and you rightwingers are workingg hard to
he sick in soul insist that it is humanity that is sick, and they are the surgeons to operate on it. They want to turn the world into a sickroom. And once they get humanity strapped to the operating table, they operate on it with an ax. - Eric Hoffer
Lee uses Ireland as a great example of economic liberalization creating growth. Maybe true, however, Ireland is also one country hit hardest by the recession.
You can blame this on interest rates but no other government "programs" as far as I can tell. You could claim that the government bailouts cause the catastrophe, or worsened it... except for the fact that Iceland, besides being one letter different, had a banking sector too large for the government to bailout... a libertarian dream right? Government too small to bail out businesses? The result... not so great.
For those interested in having moments of enlightenment like Lee Doran describes in his conversion to libertarianism, I suggest watching and reading lots of debates. There are plenty on the internet... pick a favorite writer or public figure and search for debate to find out the apposing arguments or find sites like intelligence squared which have a variety of debates or fora, etc.
i was on board with everything until the argument against the public option. it doesn't sound exactly like the most practical thing to do to wait for an illness and pay then and there for health care. health care is meant to be preventative; i couldn't imagine anyone actually resorting to those means to save money. and even if people would acutally do this, i should think it would be mostly the poor who would resort to these measures (or use these services for that matter).
@acronus, Even if that is the case, which until I see empirical evidence I will continue to doubt, I would still posit that that represents a minority of overall cases.
Lee Doren, I'm beginning to think all you do is play to people's prejudices. When talking to people who disagree with you on economics, like Oberlin students, you are very open and honest, realizing you have to make sense in order to get people to listen to you. When talking to your normal audience you just turn into a complete neocon, stoning individual liberals and supporting things that are the exact opposite of your supposed libertarian stance.
FiremanHurley, regardless of format, his points remain the same. He is consistent in that regard.
Perhaps the difference in deliveries per format is because his Youtube videos are very casual and numerous, so he just gets straight to the point. That medium is very different than the formal event portrayed in this video.
There are a lot of people arguing the same economic ideas as him that don't have to go crazy and blame "left-wing conspiracy" for all the problems. He makes sense on one level, but then one a different level his pandering to war-mongering, xenophobic neocons is very transparent.
Annihilate3275 everyone is biased toward their own opinion.
FiremanHurley, I agree this video and one he made about different forms of judicial philosophy have been my favorite videos. Even if I don't agree I at least feel like he's making a coherent argument.
His ranting, on the other hand, is often filled with random news snippets barely coherent to his argument. I guess that's getting "straight to the point."
Basically what i've gotten from this speech is that htww can't think for himself. Poor guy being brainwashed since the age of 5. At least now ayn rand can tell you how to think.
Harsh way to put it, but I think that's an important point. I went to "liberal" public schools. The difference was I stopped believing what they told me when I was in about 7th grade. Apparently Lee kept believing and was so disillusioned to find out there were other ideas in the world that he decided to self indoctrinate himself in an apposing view!
@ 29:00 Lee thanked the Libertarian Republicans for inviting him. Not sure where some of the commenters got "conservatism" from. And Lee cited Thomas Woods, an economic historian aligned with the Ludwig Von Mises Institute. Good stuff!
A person like this who defends one side of a two-dimensional way of thinking is a slave to narrow-mindedness. There is no such thing as left or right. People have ideas and opinions on what kind of a world is best for people. To think that there are only 2 kinds of ideas and opinions, either left or right, is very suspicious. People who want you to believe this are trying to divide and conquer. They don't really care about you, just themselves.
As if the entire universe can be summed up in Left, or Right, points of view. They want us stuck in that limited train of thought, believing we have this incredible ammount of choice.
Isn't it possible that things are more complicated than just liberal and conservative? Libertarian and socialist? That we might actually have to analyze subjects by investigating and practicing critical thinking? I don't think I've ever met someone that I feel I agree with more than maybe 50-60% of the time... liberal or conservative. I try to admit when I am not educated on a subject to declare an opinion.
Most people that enjoy HTWW would probably think I'm a liberal, most of my friends would probably consider me a conservative. I read the bible and am an atheist. Love watching Fox News, listening to Michael Savage and Michael Medved even though I think half the time they're ridiculous. I've read "Capitalism and Freedom," and "The Shock Doctrine" and don't subscribe to either of their beliefs to a great extent. I just find this whole liberal conservative dichotomy kind of simple, anybody with me?
This lecture went from an informative way to prevent Liberal Bias in class from reducing your grade to a straight up conservative rant. You chastise professors for spouting their ideology in class and then you go and do the same thing.
There is one way to avoid leftist indoctrinization-BECOME A BUSINESS/ECON STUDENT. MAKE YOUR EDUCATION VALUABLE TO SOCIETY. That's it, so quick and simple.
The people who care about politics are leftists. Politics is for people who couldn't survive otherwise. And of course, politics helps, well nobody except for a few politicians and THEIR favorite people.
Great lecture. I once failed an Anthropology course when I was an undergrad. Not because of my test scores which would have given me a B in the class, but because I challenged my professor every time he spouted some left-wing nonsense. I got pretty mad when he went off on his rants and was corrected with fact.
Anybody hear about the 2nd graders in Indiana singing to Allah for a holiday show??? And the teachers thought it was a great idea? How about the kid who drew Jesus on the cross who his teacher thought was disturbing and figured the kid needed psychological help...yeah...these are the radical fools who are trying to teach your kids. when i have kids, they def won't be in government pubic schools
OMG i go to Montclair State University in NJ and a lot of the professors i've had so far always talk about their political views. One girl got an A on a speech about Universal Health care...her speech was persuasive when it was supposed to be an informative speech. 2 professors i've had this semester were trying to say health care reform was a great idea, and that...80% of the public are for it??? I wanted to raise my hand and ask him where he got that number..but i didn't want an F.
Man I have lived in the US and went to school there, I cannot believe there are people who say that you get "leftist" indoctrination in America.
Every second of every form of communication from early school to the whole spectrum of the media to people's discussions and a pastor's advice - everything in the USA has such a "free-market," right wing, "if you really want it you'll get it," the government is run by evil aliens, spin that it literally numbs your brain.
I was in Chicago, Il, hardly a conservative part. The problem is that even what you call "liberal" in the US, the rest of the world calls conservative - and even at that you manage to freak out. I mean if Clinton and Obama are liberals then we really have to call the good people at Webster's.
I've heard that before but as so called progressives have ruined everything they've ever been put in charge of I'm rather glad we're behind the curve a bit. Also please understand that conservative in the American sense more often than not refers to what people now call libertarians.
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Stopped at 1:00. Professors are not trying to indoctrinate you, and people who think that have stupid positions (like this moron).
This idiot can't think of his own materiel so he steals from Glenn Beck (murdered and raped a girl in 1990) and Billo the Clown. I bet tasting all those balls when he went teabagging made him go insane.
@lulzcoaster Did you go to school? Have you witnessed what Lee, myself, and plenty others have witnessed? Because it is fact that professors and teachers have spewed their political views on the students which isalmost ALWAYS left. I've experienced it many times, so your just giving your ignorant opinion. sorry
Yes, I go to school (university). Teachers almost always clearly show there political affiliations by actions or by clearly stating there political opinion. I've never heard a single teacher say "you all have to follow my political view or you're wrong."
This unwarranted persecution complex you have is disgusting. Alas, what do I know, I'm a communist socialist anti-capitalist Canadian.
Beck, O'Reilly, teabag, you managed to regurgitate most of the liberal catch phrases, along with a third-grade sexual joke. You forgot to mention "Faux News" by name, however. Maybe next time.
I go to a public high school right now, and in my 20th century history class, we were taught that the 19th and early 20th centuries were horrible times where the working class was exploited and we were shown pictures and videos of how bad people lived. I did my own research and found the opposite to be true. Those "horror stories" from that era were how the poorest of the poor lived, and its even worse today, despite all these programs to "help" the poor - coincidence? I think not.
Check it again brother, things were pretty shitty, so people got pissed and protested and went on strikes. So shit got better until people could no longer have meaningful political action. It's been downhill ever since, with the latest shit being the gift the phony free-marketeers hand us every time we trust em (the last time was in the EARLY 20th CENTURY! Oh god the coincidence!).
Compared to every other place in the world, the US was the best place to live back then. People were free, they could keep all their wages, and it wasn't that hard to move up in society compared to today.
I'm not saying it was paradise, but many of the problems have been fixed - not by the government, but by the market itself. Labor unions are part of the market, and their bargaining improved the working conditions of many, as did the technological innovation of the period.
They've also brought us to an economic standstill in some areas. Consider this for a moment: The Empire State Building was built in just a little over a year. Today, the notion that you could get union workers to build a five story building in one year is fucking laughable. The teachers unions have also effectively eroded our educational system to its gums. We can't even compete with Croatia for fucks sake.
@DonVoghano you clearly don't understand economics...which is the only way to understand what the free market is and how it works. actually its done pretty well for us since we are still the wealthiest nation in the world while others who chose not to use a free market are poor and enslaved by their government. the free market is not a political affiliation with the republicans.
Maybe free markets would work, if in any human society they could ever actually be free. Clearly you don't understand that both the state and individuals interfere with its workings extensively. It is interesting to note that all countries that grew with neo-liberal maneuvers by 2010 have literally collapsed. The US and UK, Ireland, Spain, Argentina, Baltic countries are experiencing some of the worst crises in their history, with the exception of Chile which is sustained by nationalized copper.
Those countries you named are not capitalist, and things started getting bad when the government interfered in the economy. Right now they are statist.
Lol they are not capitalist? Then what exactly is a capitalist country? Maybe it cannot exist in the strict terms that you set for it, so we should try to find the least damaging balance between state and private sectors which evidently need each other to prosper. You would know this if you looked at pretty much all of human economic history.
No, they are not capitalist. A capitalist country has very limited government regulations, low taxes, and virtually no government interference in the private affairs of the people. The countries you mentioned have one or more parts of their economy controlled by the government, which takes tax money. Combined with the regulations and/or favoritism, the free market cannot exist.
Nice, then give me one example of a true free market state and its success. If u cannot, then yours is blind speculation on par with the communists. Nice stuff in theory, not possible to realize in practice, so might as well stop blathering about it.
The USA in the late 19th and early 20th century. There was a huge difference between how the average American lived in 1870 and 1910. New technologies were being developed, and goods were being mass produced, so more people got them. Immigrants came here because they knew that they could work and improve their standard of living.
You will find that on just about any marker conceivable Scandinavian welfare countries like Denmark and Sweden provide for a much better quality of life than anywhere in the US. Not just that, but thanks to the high level of democracy they are also on the forefront of green development and have suffered marginally from the current economic crisis. Once you free yourself of ideology and look at spreadsheets of data, you will find that things are not as they seem.
First, the US isn't as good as it could be because of these welfare programs. Second, what markers are you using to gauge how good a country is, and how do you know it is a function of the government? There really is no truly objective way to measure how happy people in a country are and what caused it.
Lol, you know markers like unemployment, average salary, health care coverage and quality of care, people in jail, violent crime rate, working hours. You can measure those things, and I assure you they make a difference in a society. The US used to rank pretty high compared to the rest of the world on all these, that is until it was hijacked by fascists who use "free market" as a magic word to excuse their pillaging of society which has nothing to do with freedom or markets.
@xp19375 Obviously there is no way to objectively measure happiness... there are subjective ways like asking people. Hard to say whether you are getting a good sampling of society or not.
I recently got into it with a liberal who suggested that students are not being indoctrinated by the left. He/she also suggest that it is in the interest of the student to look OUTSIDE the classroom for knowledge, and the teacher is only expected to teach one side. No, teachers are meant to teach FACTS, not indoctrinate students.
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May I remind you that it was left wing struggle that gave you the right to vote? OH SORRY that's a FACT lemme spin it. The free market, while killing hippies and creating democracy, automatically gave women the right to vote and participate in the society.
Oh is it "existential and instrument". For all you big smart words you still sound like Mike Tyson. Stop trying so hard to be smart. "using people as an ends to a means". You mean like stealing money from people and buying votes with it? You're the brown nose in the front row Lee was talking about.
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The freedom that Doren talks about is an instrumental one, not an existential one. The freedom he advocates is one which involves using other people as means for an end, and I guess if you believe in that he makes perfect sense. To me he is an asshole.
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Lee Doren, essentially in this lecture, you suggest to give up morality in the name of tactics.
While an argument could begin as - rationality and capitalism are indeed the best means to achieve collectivist and altruist goals, it should quickly recover by rejecting these goals as morally good, offering a rational individual moral code and discuss Capitalism from individual rights perspective.
The word "libertarian" has come to take a different meaning in the U.S. over the years. Everywhere else (in Europe fx) "Libertarianism" has always denoted the anarchist leftism or libertarian socialism as it was the case during for example the spanish civil war (i.e. "Viva la Revolution Libertaria" as they would shout).
Socialism does not nessecarily imply that the state does everything. It depends on whether you are talking about "state socialism" or "libertarian socialism".
Classical liberalism IS modern conservatism. Modern liberalism was defined very simply as more control over the person.
Republicans are not conservative...they are moderate to liberal...and they have sold classical liberalism down the river. The Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin. Do you want to go to Hell in a hand basket, or on the back of a turtle? That's the difference. It's the same destination.
For good or ill we have a two party system in the US. This means both parties are going to consist of various groups some of which have competing goals. There is a sizable amount of libertarians in the Republican party. For some time now the party has been controlled more by the religious right who tend to emphasize economic freedom (although GWB failed at this) and whose ideas of individual liberty are that it should be restricted to some degree, usually using their religious ideas of morality.
If it helps, think of the two major US parties as coalitions of smaller parties similar to a political coalition in a parliamentary governmental system. The individual groups do not agree on everything but they often agree on enough to work together.
What conservatives??? Even Ronald Regan was not fully conservative in the real understanding of the word as he liked to spend and did not shrink the government in real terms. The last conservative CIC was Teddy Roosevelt. Bush 1 & 2 are a disgrace to conservatives and most see them for the Ivy League pretenders who gave them Clinton & the Messiah
To answer your last question first... Freedom is in the eyes of the beholder. To do with their person or property as they see enjoyment. As long as it does not effect anyone else's enjoyment
I will try to show you examples in your 3 definitions of Socialism.
1. Health Care, Auto/banks/Insurance Bail outs,
2. New Londen Conn... et al abuses of eminent domain
3. US economy and individual's wealth in 1900 compared to the redistribution of 2009.
But if you look at it from the opposing perspective does giving bail outs in order to try to correct the path to lead to greater capitalism once again truly count as socialistic?
yes, any bail out is socialistic. However good it may be deemed, however warm and fuzzy it makes us feel at night, it is unconstitutional to take from one to give to another. And to do this act on such a large scale crushes the very fiber of our individual rights to our Liberty and Freedom. I can't understand this any other way. For who should be the man to choose what food i eat, whose insurance i buy, who's company shall not fail? Is this all powerfull person care for my personal rights?
1 may say It's wrong for 1 to take from 1 to give to another where as another will say a fully functional some what equal society is run on it (It's a failed argument to say that it's wrong to take from one to give to another, when currently living in a system of paying land taxes to live, goods and service taxes etc. receiving basic essentials for all is achievable, for individuals seeking more they should be able to pay privately for the added bonus which then they can receive if they choose
I concur that we live and prosper in a functional system that needs a tax base for essential. However, my point is the Fed Gov. is not the provider of these essential services... etc., schools, police, fire, water, sewage, roads, and recreation. Our Fed Gov. over the last 25 years has seen it's budget grow to include massive spending on some of these things, however they are very Inefficient at best and provide little if any input from local end users.
#3. You are comparing a time in history that consisted of 75 million people to 307 million today?. The debt of the U.S in 1900 adjusted for inflation today is over 100 billion in order to pay that off proper distribution over time needed to take place, Capitalism kept exploding at exponential growth while "redistribution" lacked, now great debt exists and people ponder how creating the credit to prosper while not incorporating distribution caused this situation.
Capitalism didn't "explode", it is fluid and has highs and lows, but what exploded was entiltements. This is why the debt has gone up over 3,340 TIMES in the last 100 YEARS.
Capitalism created a state of pace of self interest, which over time kept growing. Entitlements have got out of hand due partially to Capitalism which caused a huge imbalance of rich to poor ratio and partially due to poor choices of government(largely based on a divisible people who elect figures that work within the realms of limits of a constitution and ability based on split decisions and individual (propagated senators and congressmen)
Some fun facts: every man woman child owing for at the end of each presidency's reign- adjusted to 2008's inflation's rate: McKinley 1900 715.00 Roosevelt 1946 20255.00 Truman 1952 14850.00 Eisenhower 1960 11550.00 Kennedy 1963 11362.00 Johnson 1968 11224.00 Nixon 1974- 9947.00 Ford 1976 11215.00 Carter 1980 10562.00 Regan 1988 19130.00 Bush 1992 25946.00 Clinton 2000 24832.00 Bush 2008 32654.00 Obama 2009 39375.00
@juliecranford There is no such thing as liberal for freedom. Then you're a 'classic liberal' but progressives have hijacked the term liberal. Libertarian is the real liberal.
@juliecranford And that's why liberals are not liberals. But of course labels make no sense anymore. They are words that describe random ideologies defined by mainstream 'journalists'.
@juliecranford My point was simply that you will not achieve freedom through the system, the system is corrupt and towards a collapse of some sort. Only in your mind can you be free, supporting freedom sounds like it's some nonsensical political slogan, but the truth either you live free or you don't and see the system for what it really is, pure evil.
Great speech, unfortunately no one can see your face because of the lighting. If you're going to approach the well, or move around the stage generally, you should discuss this with the gaffer before hand and ask him to have a light ready. Or better still have someone you know oversee the lighting.
I really enjoyed watching this, you did a great job with this speech in my opinion. As a college student myself, I feel a little swamped with left wing ideas sometimes. Faved so I can take notes later. You can come to Auburn and speak anythime you want.
Lee Doren, come to my school!
bryanthomas108 10 months ago
The left has devastated many a young mind...heartbreaking.
ashken79 10 months ago
what was that about inoctrination, hope a few where bright enough to get up and walk out. just when you think this guy can't get any creepier.
SuperUnbeliever 11 months ago
@SuperUnbeliever always remember folks, jesus was quite clearly a socialist.
SuperUnbeliever 11 months ago
@SuperUnbeliever and also didn't exist
BorgKing001 11 months ago
Lee you're a great guy, I wish you much success
Trimbler00 1 year ago
I don't see a teleprompter.
fishblades 1 year ago
@fishblades Ha...How DOES he do it.
Bravo Lee
U2XM202 1 year ago
sorry, *have made more sense
swingdancinglolz 1 year ago
i thought it was common knowledge that oberlin is an extremely liberal institution. political bias is pretty much unavoidable, even if it should be kept to a minimum. if it matters that much it would probably make sense for him to go to a more conservatively-oriented school, no? i'm all for an unbiased education, but seriously...
swingdancinglolz 1 year ago
Wow - a faceless, shadowy man wearing a suit. What better metaphor for "the man"?
democrat10 1 year ago 5
i guess this is to the college students: every institution has their ideological/philosophical model they work out of, w/ their list of intellectual opponents. even if they try to give you an opposing point of view in a fair/balanced way, they won't be able to. if you walk away from your school regurgitating your profs, you've missed the whole point of college, along w/ wasted time and money. your college degree equips you begin searching for answers; it doesn't give you one.
jskim1 1 year ago
Amazing lecture! :)
DarthMaul8065 1 year ago
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ok time to get up and leave the room. i made it to 5:47
smithbrass 1 year ago
ok time to get up and leave the room.
smithbrass 1 year ago
i couldnt take more than 9 minutes of this shit, ur are soooo boring
noldorian86 1 year ago
@noldorian86 -listen up...Just think of Milhouse (from The Simpsons) and this guy actually becomes amusing and tolerable.
tracer740 1 year ago
This guy is pretty much the Rush Limbaugh of Youtube. He really should consider starting his own conservative radio show.
ManOfDeath567 1 year ago
@shadowgeyser Listen... Eh, I was making a comment to Lee Doren here, not to religion. In fact, I haven't heard Lee Doren's position on religion. If my initial comment reads that way to you, fine. However, my point is simply that once in a while, science comes around and says stuff that we don't like, because it breaks with our views and philosophy about the world we live in. I think Lee Doren needs to reconsider listening to scientists, because history shows they're usually right...
AmbientSmiley 1 year ago
@shadowgeyser I meant that the debate over the roundness of the earth is very much over. So your schooling on what the bible says on its shape is no longer useful. It was useful once, when the debate was still raging.
AmbientSmiley 1 year ago
@shadowgeyser That's a very nice quote you got there, shadowgeyser. Perhaps if the religious nuts at the time knew about that quote as well as you, they wouldn't have put up such fierce opposition to the idea? Hm?
...Your schooling on religious texts is a tad bit late. That debate is over already.
AmbientSmiley 1 year ago
This go-against-science, destroy intellectualism bullcrap is the exact same pathetic dynamic we saw at the advent of teaching people about the round planet, and evolution. So sorry if science is saying something you don't like....
Why are you guys so keen to spend money fighting in iraq to "save american lives", and completely against public, free health care??
AmbientSmiley 1 year ago
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@AmbientSmiley S. Frederick Starr, Oberlin College is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations , is a member of the Trilateral Commission and knows 33rd degree secret is the 1899 Alaska Earthquake - British Association record No. 333, at Shide. Isle of Wight on September 3 at three o’ three.
insightllc 1 year ago
@insightllc Is that a fact...
AmbientSmiley 1 year ago
Nice lecture on how to deal with a closed minded instructor. It doesn't sound like he made his point about "leftists." He's implying that a "rightest" instructor would be open to decent in the classroom. Quite a leap.
viviana404 1 year ago
Thanks, Lee, for telling me what I think. It's always nice to have people put words in my mouth. After all, only good things happen when a group is completely generalized. I'm going to go try to take over the country now, because I think I know what's best for everyone.
mybloodxbeforeme 1 year ago
Great lecture!
phillipsophical 1 year ago
My most vivid memory of high-school is when my English professor literally told her class, "They [literacy tests] are stupid, but the government says we have to do them, because the government is stupid." I never realized I was growing up in a pro-government indoctrination camp.
FeedingTrolls 1 year ago
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joserolandogalvez 1 year ago
mental note - Oberlin College sucks ass
knappydanny 1 year ago
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Gah, you make so many logical errors here.
As I've said in another of your videos, I've never had a liberal professor who tried to push his/her views on anyone. In fact, the only one who really brought up his views in an unnecessary time was a conservative! (I'm in poli-sci and history, by the way, which seem most susceptible to bias)
You seem to encourage people to reject anything learned in class if it disagrees with pre-existing views, which is absurd no matter what your political persuasion.
Grn0a 2 years ago
right thing to do , is dropping all insurances!
lol
did i get it right? he defended the insurances
option of denying ppl for preconditions? whooooot?
-30+mio. ppl are without care, but it aren* t allways the same but they com and go and they pay in , and then they are off. so it means that probably 30 mio. are paying into and have nothing fom it!?
yeah, that is definately the right approach and you rightwingers are workingg hard to
deserve it to be even worse.
- oh those christians....! phffff
Realizalize 2 years ago
he sick in soul insist that it is humanity that is sick, and they are the surgeons to operate on it. They want to turn the world into a sickroom. And once they get humanity strapped to the operating table, they operate on it with an ax. - Eric Hoffer
bootlegfit 2 years ago
Leftist views in a public school? I would love to know what public school you went to.
Geochron 2 years ago
This is great. I went through this myself. And still educating myself. Not as far along as you but getting there.
ILNYC1986 2 years ago
"Perpetuate The COP15 Agenda: Climate was the vehicle to achieve one-world socialist government and total control of the population"
"Obama Led The Total Failure of World Leadership in Copenhagen"
Love the Canada Free Press!
tubaboy71 2 years ago 2
Well now i know how to stop Leftist Indoctrination now i just need to find out how to stop rightist Indoctrination and ill be good to go!
Outlawcarl 2 years ago 2
Wonderful articulation Lee. You are doing a wonderful job. Thank you for your contribution to society.
Reaganite2323 2 years ago 8
@Reaganite2323
It always amazes me that "good articulation" is such a plus in America, I know a lot of crooks that have a better "articulation" than this guy.
alexandreleverrier 1 year ago
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Doren
you stop!!!! you are a disgrace to the world
you are a money grubbing weirdo
from youre subscriber
wrightming 2 years ago
Great lecture.
BryanShotYou 2 years ago 12
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Lee,
You're ruining America.
Your subscriber,
Tophu
tophu1021 2 years ago
Great speech Lee!
notyourfriendbuddy 2 years ago 2
Lee uses Ireland as a great example of economic liberalization creating growth. Maybe true, however, Ireland is also one country hit hardest by the recession.
AHBritton 2 years ago
You can blame this on interest rates but no other government "programs" as far as I can tell. You could claim that the government bailouts cause the catastrophe, or worsened it... except for the fact that Iceland, besides being one letter different, had a banking sector too large for the government to bailout... a libertarian dream right? Government too small to bail out businesses? The result... not so great.
AHBritton 2 years ago
Great lecture! I am passing this along to all of my colleagues.
HarrisonCountyStudio 2 years ago
awesome job..
BATCH420 2 years ago 3
For those interested in having moments of enlightenment like Lee Doran describes in his conversion to libertarianism, I suggest watching and reading lots of debates. There are plenty on the internet... pick a favorite writer or public figure and search for debate to find out the apposing arguments or find sites like intelligence squared which have a variety of debates or fora, etc.
AHBritton 2 years ago
You're a very good speaker. I thought you addressed every issue pretty much flawlessly. I'm going to tell my friends to watch this.
Riflemanm16a2 2 years ago
i was on board with everything until the argument against the public option. it doesn't sound exactly like the most practical thing to do to wait for an illness and pay then and there for health care. health care is meant to be preventative; i couldn't imagine anyone actually resorting to those means to save money. and even if people would acutally do this, i should think it would be mostly the poor who would resort to these measures (or use these services for that matter).
xblindx 2 years ago
Liberal public schools?
I'm glad I watched this now because I was feeling down and really needed a good laugh and this ridiculous statement provided just that.
punkunion2 2 years ago
@punkunion2 sorry bro but at least in California this is more then true. Teachers have a political stance that is very transparent in the classroom.
arconus 2 years ago 4
@acronus, Even if that is the case, which until I see empirical evidence I will continue to doubt, I would still posit that that represents a minority of overall cases.
punkunion2 2 years ago
Here in Fla. also, "Global Shamwowing" is def. an Idoctrination........still doubting? then point made
gofucoffee 2 years ago
We never talked about politics in my classes since I was a physics major o_O
mjsebast 2 years ago
Lee Doren, I'm beginning to think all you do is play to people's prejudices. When talking to people who disagree with you on economics, like Oberlin students, you are very open and honest, realizing you have to make sense in order to get people to listen to you. When talking to your normal audience you just turn into a complete neocon, stoning individual liberals and supporting things that are the exact opposite of your supposed libertarian stance.
FiremanHurley 2 years ago 4
FiremanHurley, regardless of format, his points remain the same. He is consistent in that regard.
Perhaps the difference in deliveries per format is because his Youtube videos are very casual and numerous, so he just gets straight to the point. That medium is very different than the formal event portrayed in this video.
Annihilate3275 2 years ago
There are a lot of people arguing the same economic ideas as him that don't have to go crazy and blame "left-wing conspiracy" for all the problems. He makes sense on one level, but then one a different level his pandering to war-mongering, xenophobic neocons is very transparent.
FiremanHurley 2 years ago 3
FiremanHurley, you sound biased.
Annihilate3275 2 years ago
but Lee Doren doesn't
FiremanHurley 2 years ago 4
Annihilate3275 everyone is biased toward their own opinion.
FiremanHurley, I agree this video and one he made about different forms of judicial philosophy have been my favorite videos. Even if I don't agree I at least feel like he's making a coherent argument.
His ranting, on the other hand, is often filled with random news snippets barely coherent to his argument. I guess that's getting "straight to the point."
AHBritton 2 years ago
Basically what i've gotten from this speech is that htww can't think for himself. Poor guy being brainwashed since the age of 5. At least now ayn rand can tell you how to think.
catbuffalo 2 years ago
Harsh way to put it, but I think that's an important point. I went to "liberal" public schools. The difference was I stopped believing what they told me when I was in about 7th grade. Apparently Lee kept believing and was so disillusioned to find out there were other ideas in the world that he decided to self indoctrinate himself in an apposing view!
AHBritton 2 years ago
hahha ahbritton :)
lxvlx 2 years ago
@ 29:00 Lee thanked the Libertarian Republicans for inviting him. Not sure where some of the commenters got "conservatism" from. And Lee cited Thomas Woods, an economic historian aligned with the Ludwig Von Mises Institute. Good stuff!
order9066 2 years ago
A person like this who defends one side of a two-dimensional way of thinking is a slave to narrow-mindedness. There is no such thing as left or right. People have ideas and opinions on what kind of a world is best for people. To think that there are only 2 kinds of ideas and opinions, either left or right, is very suspicious. People who want you to believe this are trying to divide and conquer. They don't really care about you, just themselves.
wojtek0000 2 years ago 2
Excellent point.
As if the entire universe can be summed up in Left, or Right, points of view. They want us stuck in that limited train of thought, believing we have this incredible ammount of choice.
In reality, it's just Coke or Pepsi.
FEARisPROFIT 2 years ago
The PIPA Media Study proved that Fox News viewers were the LEAST informed vierwers on basic information on the Iraq War, of ANY media viewers.
The WORST informed.
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FEARisPROFIT 2 years ago
That room has terrible lighting.
Don't you just love professors that tell you they want/love to be challenged until they actually are? Ha!
loszhor 2 years ago 3
Isn't it possible that things are more complicated than just liberal and conservative? Libertarian and socialist? That we might actually have to analyze subjects by investigating and practicing critical thinking? I don't think I've ever met someone that I feel I agree with more than maybe 50-60% of the time... liberal or conservative. I try to admit when I am not educated on a subject to declare an opinion.
AHBritton 2 years ago 3
Most people that enjoy HTWW would probably think I'm a liberal, most of my friends would probably consider me a conservative. I read the bible and am an atheist. Love watching Fox News, listening to Michael Savage and Michael Medved even though I think half the time they're ridiculous. I've read "Capitalism and Freedom," and "The Shock Doctrine" and don't subscribe to either of their beliefs to a great extent. I just find this whole liberal conservative dichotomy kind of simple, anybody with me?
AHBritton 2 years ago
This lecture went from an informative way to prevent Liberal Bias in class from reducing your grade to a straight up conservative rant. You chastise professors for spouting their ideology in class and then you go and do the same thing.
snowborednow 2 years ago
Lee, you had to give a speech about that?
There is one way to avoid leftist indoctrinization-BECOME A BUSINESS/ECON STUDENT. MAKE YOUR EDUCATION VALUABLE TO SOCIETY. That's it, so quick and simple.
The people who care about politics are leftists. Politics is for people who couldn't survive otherwise. And of course, politics helps, well nobody except for a few politicians and THEIR favorite people.
therealcaptobvious 2 years ago
Great lecture. I once failed an Anthropology course when I was an undergrad. Not because of my test scores which would have given me a B in the class, but because I challenged my professor every time he spouted some left-wing nonsense. I got pretty mad when he went off on his rants and was corrected with fact.
Nevarkilad 2 years ago 2
@Nevarkilad
i dropped out of polisci for that same reason. I took econ instead, it worked out really well.
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LordWolven 2 years ago
Anybody hear about the 2nd graders in Indiana singing to Allah for a holiday show??? And the teachers thought it was a great idea? How about the kid who drew Jesus on the cross who his teacher thought was disturbing and figured the kid needed psychological help...yeah...these are the radical fools who are trying to teach your kids. when i have kids, they def won't be in government pubic schools
ceasey0xoogurl 2 years ago
OMG i go to Montclair State University in NJ and a lot of the professors i've had so far always talk about their political views. One girl got an A on a speech about Universal Health care...her speech was persuasive when it was supposed to be an informative speech. 2 professors i've had this semester were trying to say health care reform was a great idea, and that...80% of the public are for it??? I wanted to raise my hand and ask him where he got that number..but i didn't want an F.
ceasey0xoogurl 2 years ago
Man I have lived in the US and went to school there, I cannot believe there are people who say that you get "leftist" indoctrination in America.
Every second of every form of communication from early school to the whole spectrum of the media to people's discussions and a pastor's advice - everything in the USA has such a "free-market," right wing, "if you really want it you'll get it," the government is run by evil aliens, spin that it literally numbs your brain.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
Perhaps you were in a more conservative area when in the US? Most universities in the US are overtly socialist and sometimes out and out communist.
gumlessjoe 2 years ago
You were in the few conservative parts
The colleges are uber liberal
VJDTropical 2 years ago
I was in Chicago, Il, hardly a conservative part. The problem is that even what you call "liberal" in the US, the rest of the world calls conservative - and even at that you manage to freak out. I mean if Clinton and Obama are liberals then we really have to call the good people at Webster's.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
yeah they call "conservatives" in the us classical liberals around the world
goodatbasebal 2 years ago
I've heard that before but as so called progressives have ruined everything they've ever been put in charge of I'm rather glad we're behind the curve a bit. Also please understand that conservative in the American sense more often than not refers to what people now call libertarians.
gumlessjoe 2 years ago
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Stopped at 1:00. Professors are not trying to indoctrinate you, and people who think that have stupid positions (like this moron).
This idiot can't think of his own materiel so he steals from Glenn Beck (murdered and raped a girl in 1990) and Billo the Clown. I bet tasting all those balls when he went teabagging made him go insane.
lulzcoaster 2 years ago
@lulzcoaster Did you go to school? Have you witnessed what Lee, myself, and plenty others have witnessed? Because it is fact that professors and teachers have spewed their political views on the students which isalmost ALWAYS left. I've experienced it many times, so your just giving your ignorant opinion. sorry
ceasey0xoogurl 2 years ago
Yes, I go to school (university). Teachers almost always clearly show there political affiliations by actions or by clearly stating there political opinion. I've never heard a single teacher say "you all have to follow my political view or you're wrong."
This unwarranted persecution complex you have is disgusting. Alas, what do I know, I'm a communist socialist anti-capitalist Canadian.
lulzcoaster 2 years ago
Beck, O'Reilly, teabag, you managed to regurgitate most of the liberal catch phrases, along with a third-grade sexual joke. You forgot to mention "Faux News" by name, however. Maybe next time.
elsquibbs 2 years ago
@elsquibbs
Don't forget "Bush lied and people died".
It's too easy being a lib.
ricadrew 2 years ago
all presidents lie and people die,,, pearl harbor much? vietnam...etc
Sectionxx8 2 years ago
I go to a public high school right now, and in my 20th century history class, we were taught that the 19th and early 20th centuries were horrible times where the working class was exploited and we were shown pictures and videos of how bad people lived. I did my own research and found the opposite to be true. Those "horror stories" from that era were how the poorest of the poor lived, and its even worse today, despite all these programs to "help" the poor - coincidence? I think not.
xp19375 2 years ago 6
Check it again brother, things were pretty shitty, so people got pissed and protested and went on strikes. So shit got better until people could no longer have meaningful political action. It's been downhill ever since, with the latest shit being the gift the phony free-marketeers hand us every time we trust em (the last time was in the EARLY 20th CENTURY! Oh god the coincidence!).
DonVoghano 2 years ago
Compared to every other place in the world, the US was the best place to live back then. People were free, they could keep all their wages, and it wasn't that hard to move up in society compared to today.
I'm not saying it was paradise, but many of the problems have been fixed - not by the government, but by the market itself. Labor unions are part of the market, and their bargaining improved the working conditions of many, as did the technological innovation of the period.
xp19375 2 years ago 2
They've also brought us to an economic standstill in some areas. Consider this for a moment: The Empire State Building was built in just a little over a year. Today, the notion that you could get union workers to build a five story building in one year is fucking laughable. The teachers unions have also effectively eroded our educational system to its gums. We can't even compete with Croatia for fucks sake.
smiledammit24 2 years ago
@DonVoghano you clearly don't understand economics...which is the only way to understand what the free market is and how it works. actually its done pretty well for us since we are still the wealthiest nation in the world while others who chose not to use a free market are poor and enslaved by their government. the free market is not a political affiliation with the republicans.
ceasey0xoogurl 2 years ago
Maybe free markets would work, if in any human society they could ever actually be free. Clearly you don't understand that both the state and individuals interfere with its workings extensively. It is interesting to note that all countries that grew with neo-liberal maneuvers by 2010 have literally collapsed. The US and UK, Ireland, Spain, Argentina, Baltic countries are experiencing some of the worst crises in their history, with the exception of Chile which is sustained by nationalized copper.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
Those countries you named are not capitalist, and things started getting bad when the government interfered in the economy. Right now they are statist.
xp19375 2 years ago
Lol they are not capitalist? Then what exactly is a capitalist country? Maybe it cannot exist in the strict terms that you set for it, so we should try to find the least damaging balance between state and private sectors which evidently need each other to prosper. You would know this if you looked at pretty much all of human economic history.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
No, they are not capitalist. A capitalist country has very limited government regulations, low taxes, and virtually no government interference in the private affairs of the people. The countries you mentioned have one or more parts of their economy controlled by the government, which takes tax money. Combined with the regulations and/or favoritism, the free market cannot exist.
xp19375 2 years ago
Nice, then give me one example of a true free market state and its success. If u cannot, then yours is blind speculation on par with the communists. Nice stuff in theory, not possible to realize in practice, so might as well stop blathering about it.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
The USA in the late 19th and early 20th century. There was a huge difference between how the average American lived in 1870 and 1910. New technologies were being developed, and goods were being mass produced, so more people got them. Immigrants came here because they knew that they could work and improve their standard of living.
xp19375 2 years ago
You will find that on just about any marker conceivable Scandinavian welfare countries like Denmark and Sweden provide for a much better quality of life than anywhere in the US. Not just that, but thanks to the high level of democracy they are also on the forefront of green development and have suffered marginally from the current economic crisis. Once you free yourself of ideology and look at spreadsheets of data, you will find that things are not as they seem.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
First, the US isn't as good as it could be because of these welfare programs. Second, what markers are you using to gauge how good a country is, and how do you know it is a function of the government? There really is no truly objective way to measure how happy people in a country are and what caused it.
xp19375 2 years ago
Lol, you know markers like unemployment, average salary, health care coverage and quality of care, people in jail, violent crime rate, working hours. You can measure those things, and I assure you they make a difference in a society. The US used to rank pretty high compared to the rest of the world on all these, that is until it was hijacked by fascists who use "free market" as a magic word to excuse their pillaging of society which has nothing to do with freedom or markets.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
good point. the fascists aren't real "free market" people.
hopefully, the country will get some real free market and small government people.
ch1kusoo 2 years ago
@xp19375 Obviously there is no way to objectively measure happiness... there are subjective ways like asking people. Hard to say whether you are getting a good sampling of society or not.
AHBritton 2 years ago
Why did you accept student loans?
isyourchristfree 2 years ago
5 stars =)
MrSuperpunch019 2 years ago
I recently got into it with a liberal who suggested that students are not being indoctrinated by the left. He/she also suggest that it is in the interest of the student to look OUTSIDE the classroom for knowledge, and the teacher is only expected to teach one side. No, teachers are meant to teach FACTS, not indoctrinate students.
missdior17 2 years ago 2
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May I remind you that it was left wing struggle that gave you the right to vote? OH SORRY that's a FACT lemme spin it. The free market, while killing hippies and creating democracy, automatically gave women the right to vote and participate in the society.
DonVoghano 2 years ago
@DonVoghano
It seems you are so lefty that you don't even realize it.
You are a prime example of what Lee is warning people of.
Remember, It was a Republican president that freed the slaves.
It was Republicans that passed the Civil Rights Act. Democrats fought it and even filibustered.
I know these facts will not impress you because you already have the answers you want.
Nevertheless, these are facts.
Hippies are now the establishment.
That is why we are so so screwed.
averagejoe040 2 years ago 6
Not left wing. Libertarian. Define your terminology. Statist thinking is what kept people in chains.
smiledammit24 2 years ago
Right. You're a product of brutal left wing indoctrination. Evidence of this is that you don't know the definition of FACT.
missdior17 2 years ago
"they told me: if i listened to conservative talk radio and fox news, i would become les informed."
ahh, irony.
franzpolak 2 years ago
Oh is it "existential and instrument". For all you big smart words you still sound like Mike Tyson. Stop trying so hard to be smart. "using people as an ends to a means". You mean like stealing money from people and buying votes with it? You're the brown nose in the front row Lee was talking about.
cozyfoxstudio 2 years ago
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The freedom that Doren talks about is an instrumental one, not an existential one. The freedom he advocates is one which involves using other people as means for an end, and I guess if you believe in that he makes perfect sense. To me he is an asshole.
TommyLongstockings 2 years ago
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Lee Doren, essentially in this lecture, you suggest to give up morality in the name of tactics.
While an argument could begin as - rationality and capitalism are indeed the best means to achieve collectivist and altruist goals, it should quickly recover by rejecting these goals as morally good, offering a rational individual moral code and discuss Capitalism from individual rights perspective.
AmitaiRing 2 years ago
Just wondering here, not that I'm taking sides: What morality did he suggest we give up exactly?
TruthBeyond 2 years ago
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when republicans are taught something they don't believe they call it indoctrination. pathetic.
applepie1e 2 years ago
this guy is spot on. 5 stars
rednxrule 2 years ago
Great speech. 5 stars.
NWOSupporter2012 2 years ago 2
Every single video of yours is so true.
22thejimmyking 2 years ago
Boo ya! I like this vid.
TheShnuz 2 years ago 3
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Oh shit, all the smart people are leftists. What are we going to do now? Certainly not confront them. Far too dangerous.
j0hnwi11iams 2 years ago
Yo, turn the stage light on.
Where's Lee?
joba606 2 years ago 2
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Why would there be a republican libertarian club, libertarians like freedom, republicans want to oppress everyone.
juliecranford 2 years ago
Not the rank and file, lady!
ibmsony101 2 years ago
@juliecranford you are truly a moron. Republicans: economic freedom
Democrats: social freedom
Libertarian: social and economic freedom
Socialist: government does everything
PumpUPdaBase 2 years ago 5
@PumpUPdaBase
The word "libertarian" has come to take a different meaning in the U.S. over the years. Everywhere else (in Europe fx) "Libertarianism" has always denoted the anarchist leftism or libertarian socialism as it was the case during for example the spanish civil war (i.e. "Viva la Revolution Libertaria" as they would shout).
Socialism does not nessecarily imply that the state does everything. It depends on whether you are talking about "state socialism" or "libertarian socialism".
TommyLongstockings 2 years ago
Then why is it the republicans who want to ban same-sex marriage and keep atheists out of public office and force children to pray in school?
juliecranford 2 years ago
the same reason liberal democrats want to spend 787 billion dollars of tax payer money on bailing out wallstreet.
republicans champion economic freedom not social freedom.
PumpUPdaBase 2 years ago
Ook, what reason is that?
Republicans don't just not champion social freedom, they are completely against it. At least, they are against it for anyone but themselves.
HTWW should be calling himself Libertarian, not conservative, not right-wing, not republican, because those terms are associated with oppression.
juliecranford 2 years ago
@juliecranford Nonsense.
Classical liberalism IS modern conservatism. Modern liberalism was defined very simply as more control over the person.
Republicans are not conservative...they are moderate to liberal...and they have sold classical liberalism down the river. The Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin. Do you want to go to Hell in a hand basket, or on the back of a turtle? That's the difference. It's the same destination.
tak178 2 years ago
@juliecranford
Same sex marriage is an oxymoron, and makes no sense.
Atheists have no really place in public office if they can't represent their constituents. If they can, more power to them.
No Republican is forcing anyone to pray in school. You really are off your rocker.
tak178 2 years ago
You have been indoctrinated in leftism ... they don't care about atheists , they don't want to force people and they don't hate gays
They despise radical atheists and radical christians , want freedom of religion and don't want everything to be socially liberal
Social liberalism does not equal social freedom
In fact social liberalism can become the main one and anybody that ain't a social liberal is a bigot
VJDTropical 2 years ago
For good or ill we have a two party system in the US. This means both parties are going to consist of various groups some of which have competing goals. There is a sizable amount of libertarians in the Republican party. For some time now the party has been controlled more by the religious right who tend to emphasize economic freedom (although GWB failed at this) and whose ideas of individual liberty are that it should be restricted to some degree, usually using their religious ideas of morality.
gumlessjoe 2 years ago
If it helps, think of the two major US parties as coalitions of smaller parties similar to a political coalition in a parliamentary governmental system. The individual groups do not agree on everything but they often agree on enough to work together.
gumlessjoe 2 years ago
So, you're saying the government is liberal... even when the conservatives are in power?
public schools are indoctrination camps, but not to being liberal!
juliecranford 2 years ago
What conservatives??? Even Ronald Regan was not fully conservative in the real understanding of the word as he liked to spend and did not shrink the government in real terms. The last conservative CIC was Teddy Roosevelt. Bush 1 & 2 are a disgrace to conservatives and most see them for the Ivy League pretenders who gave them Clinton & the Messiah
ibmsony101 2 years ago
ok.
juliecranford 2 years ago
Wow, where have you been living? You should think before you speak next time you have your facts all wrong. Coming from a liberal I am not surprised.
Commiesarentcool1 2 years ago
I'm liberal in the sense that I support freedom. But I'm not a democrat.
Are you saying that conservatives have NEVER been in power in the government? Because htww is saying that the government is ALWAYS liberal.
juliecranford 2 years ago
Webster Dictionary: Liberal
1:of or befitting a man of free birth 2:given or provided in a generous and openhanded way 3:lacking moral restraint 4:not literal or strict
Wow, i just learned something... these people we call Liberals are not really Liberals at alll. They are Socialists!!!
HarrisonCountyStudio 2 years ago
@HarrisonCountyStudio
Webster Dictionary: Socialism
1. various economic & political theories advocating a government ownership relating to production & distribution of goods
2.A. a system of society or group living where there is no private property. B.a condition of society which the means are controlled by the state.
3. a stage of society in Marxist theory between capitalism & communism relating to unequal distribution of goods & pay.
How does "being free" relate to government control?
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
To answer your last question first... Freedom is in the eyes of the beholder. To do with their person or property as they see enjoyment. As long as it does not effect anyone else's enjoyment
I will try to show you examples in your 3 definitions of Socialism.
1. Health Care, Auto/banks/Insurance Bail outs,
2. New Londen Conn... et al abuses of eminent domain
3. US economy and individual's wealth in 1900 compared to the redistribution of 2009.
Our Gov. is not Liberal it is Socialistic
HarrisonCountyStudio 2 years ago
@HarrisonCountyStudio
Good examples.
But if you look at it from the opposing perspective does giving bail outs in order to try to correct the path to lead to greater capitalism once again truly count as socialistic?
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
yes, any bail out is socialistic. However good it may be deemed, however warm and fuzzy it makes us feel at night, it is unconstitutional to take from one to give to another. And to do this act on such a large scale crushes the very fiber of our individual rights to our Liberty and Freedom. I can't understand this any other way. For who should be the man to choose what food i eat, whose insurance i buy, who's company shall not fail? Is this all powerfull person care for my personal rights?
HarrisonCountyStudio 2 years ago
1 may say It's wrong for 1 to take from 1 to give to another where as another will say a fully functional some what equal society is run on it (It's a failed argument to say that it's wrong to take from one to give to another, when currently living in a system of paying land taxes to live, goods and service taxes etc. receiving basic essentials for all is achievable, for individuals seeking more they should be able to pay privately for the added bonus which then they can receive if they choose
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
I concur that we live and prosper in a functional system that needs a tax base for essential. However, my point is the Fed Gov. is not the provider of these essential services... etc., schools, police, fire, water, sewage, roads, and recreation. Our Fed Gov. over the last 25 years has seen it's budget grow to include massive spending on some of these things, however they are very Inefficient at best and provide little if any input from local end users.
HarrisonCountyStudio 2 years ago
@HarrisonCountyStudio
#3. You are comparing a time in history that consisted of 75 million people to 307 million today?. The debt of the U.S in 1900 adjusted for inflation today is over 100 billion in order to pay that off proper distribution over time needed to take place, Capitalism kept exploding at exponential growth while "redistribution" lacked, now great debt exists and people ponder how creating the credit to prosper while not incorporating distribution caused this situation.
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
These are the adjusted for inflation ammounts:
1900- $2,136,961,091.67
2003- $6,783,231,062,743.62
Capitalism didn't "explode", it is fluid and has highs and lows, but what exploded was entiltements. This is why the debt has gone up over 3,340 TIMES in the last 100 YEARS.
HarrisonCountyStudio 2 years ago
Capitalism created a state of pace of self interest, which over time kept growing. Entitlements have got out of hand due partially to Capitalism which caused a huge imbalance of rich to poor ratio and partially due to poor choices of government(largely based on a divisible people who elect figures that work within the realms of limits of a constitution and ability based on split decisions and individual (propagated senators and congressmen)
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
@umm1anda2andumm Please quote source, esp when claiming facts. thanks.
imrnlil 2 years ago
Since Youtube won't let me post links I emailed them to you.
umm1anda2andumm 2 years ago
Bring back McKinley!
adamlesh 2 years ago 2
@juliecranford There is no such thing as liberal for freedom. Then you're a 'classic liberal' but progressives have hijacked the term liberal. Libertarian is the real liberal.
Sivels 1 year ago
@Sivels Um, liberal MEANS supporting freedom. That's what LIBERTARIAN means too. Both words describe me.
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford And that's why liberals are not liberals. But of course labels make no sense anymore. They are words that describe random ideologies defined by mainstream 'journalists'.
Sivels 1 year ago
@juliecranford Btw, "Supporting freedom" sounds plain stupid. Either you live free or you live in a sea of illusions set up for you by the system.
Sivels 1 year ago
@Sivels I don't understand you. Supporting freedom isn't stupid. I'm talking about supporting freedome of everyone, not just myself.
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford My point was simply that you will not achieve freedom through the system, the system is corrupt and towards a collapse of some sort. Only in your mind can you be free, supporting freedom sounds like it's some nonsensical political slogan, but the truth either you live free or you don't and see the system for what it really is, pure evil.
Sivels 1 year ago
@juliecranford The house, senate and white house are under democrat majority read before you write
PumpUPdaBase 2 years ago
I didn't say conservatives are in power right now.
juliecranford 2 years ago
future president here. you heard it from me first
smclean2004 2 years ago
Damn Lee, you have a bright future.
abundancemall 2 years ago
@abundancemall Agreed.
Lee, you are the man.
SpeedingStudent 2 years ago
Great speech, unfortunately no one can see your face because of the lighting. If you're going to approach the well, or move around the stage generally, you should discuss this with the gaffer before hand and ask him to have a light ready. Or better still have someone you know oversee the lighting.
KnockoffNigeI 2 years ago
I really enjoyed watching this, you did a great job with this speech in my opinion. As a college student myself, I feel a little swamped with left wing ideas sometimes. Faved so I can take notes later. You can come to Auburn and speak anythime you want.
NoleMan007 2 years ago
lee for President! the boy has fire in his belly.
luckyvet 2 years ago 4
Good stuff, Lee.
JohnJ2427 2 years ago