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  • @pabliko248 Err...no! I The only reason I can think of that it would appear to lag would be if you're watching it on a slow Internet connection or slow PC or something and the frame rate drops so it looks jerky.

  • i have a Question what is the bad good things about this camera?

  • @oXILuvMusicXo Bad things are its ability in low light (the footage comes out quite grainy and blotchy). Good things are its size, good footage in decent daylight, and relatively intelligent auto settings (though it did have some trouble filming at an airshow recently when it lost focus on the airplanes a lot as they flew overhead)

  • hi there, i use the editing program sony vegas and was wondering what are the steps to rendering it so it could come out like yours?...first i got the MTS file from the sd card and dragged it onto vegas and then what settings?

    thx !

  • I encode from Vegas at max 5Mbps using the MainConcept AVC/AAC (*.mp4) codec with a custom template. As I understand it, there's no point uploading anything higher res than 1280x720 to YouTube, so choose that. I use 25fps as that's the PAL frame rate, with progressive scan, square pixels of course. That's about it really!

  • Of course, since I wrote that comment, YouTube has now started encoding 1920x1080 but since most people's computer screens aren't big enough to show full 1920x1080 anyway it's a bit pointless and you might as well stick to 1280x720 max

  • How big must the SD card be if I want to shot a 2 hours video with th ebest quality? Is the internal memory big enough for that? Does the battery hold for 2 hours with the best quality?

    Sorry for so many questions but I really need an opinion from someone who has it before I buy one of these.

  • Firstly, just note that there is no internal memory on the HDC-SD20, only whatever you put into the SDHC card slot. Also, the battery life is not dependent on your quality setting as far as I'm aware.

    The battery life for the standard and optional batteries are all documented in the manual (page 21 in the UK version!), available from the Panasonic website, as are the recording times for various SDHC card sizes (page 48)

  • In the best quality, its 16gb for 2hours in the best quality

  • in the quality level of HA is required to include a 16 GB card for 2 hours

    in the middle stage, it is then almost 3 hours ;-)

  • 16 GB for about 2 to 2.5 hours in the best quality level (17MBit / s) and Dolby Digital 5.1

    The standard battery holds about 2 hours and 15 minutes.

    the 128 MB internal memory is intended primarily for prerec function is then the recording will start faster

  • Sea and landscapes should look fine on any of them, there'll be plenty of light and you'll get a good image.

    But if you're going to shoot indoors, you need the best low-light performance you can buy. That means the HDC-SD200 will be better for you than the SD20 because the SD200 has three (bigger) sensors and a better-rated lowlight performance. If you can afford it, I'd go for the more expensive one. On the downside, the SD200 has a shorter zoom.

  • hello, im looking to get a good camcorder but dont know that much about them. been reading reviews etc and i like the look of the panasonic HDC range. the panasonic hdc-sd20 looks good but also the panasonic hdc-sd200. i unsure whether i should waiting to save for the more expensive panasonic hdc-sd200 or whether the panasonic hdc-sd20 would be fine. i would be using it for travel/holidays which means indoor/outdoor and people and landscapes/seascapes! any help would be great...:D

  • So low resolution, everything is blurred, there is no even half of megapixel of resolution in this footage, good digital PAL/NTSC MPEG2 camera will take better quality footage than this. I'm sorry but that's how it looks, I hope that this is a problem with YouTube codec and not the camera itself as water flow is a killing test for every codec at 2Mb/s bitrate (as YT uses).

  • Hi. Are you watching in HQ or (better still) HD mode? It isn't blurred on my screen. Your point about the PAL/NTSC MPEG2 camera seems a little confused, since there are all kinds of variables that would affect encoded quality whatever the source and almost any modern video camera would take footage that looks better than YouTube's standard output! (hence why I suggest ensuring you watch in HD)

  • Ok, i have a certain amount of money and i want the best one for that money.

    I want a nice picture and a nice camera that feels nice and solid. Which of those 2 have had better reviews? they have sim features but i guess i want the best picture. I want to film my kids and water/landscapes.

    I guess in simple...which is the overall better camera? a Sony HDR-CX12MS or the Panasonic sd 20? if you could pick between 2? which one?

  • I have not tried the Sony so you'll need to cast around a bit for views on that. The Panasonic is very compact and lightweight. It feels solid enough. And for outdoor filming (ie in good light) such as the water / landscapes, it should provide decent pictures. The downside is - and this is common to many small-chip high-definition cameras - that it is not good in low light, so indoor shooting will be grainy, especially if it's evening with only overhead bulb light around.

  • You may need to spend substantially more if you want good low-light performance in a high-def camera. eg I read that the Panasonic TM300 (3 chip, 1/4 inch) is comparatively 'good' in low light - but it costs about £800, compared to £400 for the HDC-SD20

  • It Depends on how much you want to spend. and do you really care how big the camera sensor is? I have a Hitachi DVD Camcorder and it has a 1/6 of an inch CCD censor. Most flash based camera's have a 1/6 of an inch sensor.

    I would note the Panasonic HDC-SD20 for $550 has a 1/6 of an Inch CMOS sensor. It has around 1 Megapixel. If you were willing to spend more money the Canon Vixia HF200 for $750 has a 1/4 inch CMOS Sensor. It has around 3 Megapixles and offers better videos and pictures.

  • It's certainly worth caring how big the sensor is if low light performance is relevant to you because a bigger sensor will be better in low light, that's just the nature of physics!

    The Canon certainly seems to get good reviews.

  • how well does it manage in low light?

  • For the Panasonic in low light, take a look at my other video called "Panasonic SDC-HD20 low light test".

  • can anyone confirm which is the better camera? this panasonic or the Sony HDR-CX12MS?

  • It will depend on what you mean by "better" - different things are of different importance to different people, depending on their use. Picture quality, low light capability, ease of use, intended application, battery life, size, weight, cost and support are just some factors which will vary according to the individual. So - define "better"? What is your use for the camera?

  • Hello it's me again , i had the problem with m2ts file and I have upgraded vegas pro to 8.0c version and it finnaly accpet the file into it.

    Thank you for all your help!

    You are God !!! xDD

  • Thank you! I'm glad my email was of help.

    Another slightly odd (but potentially useful) thing I've since discovered is that if you have a 64-bit version of Windows, rendering the edited file in Vegas 8.1 (the 64 bit version) is more stable than in 8.0c. BUT... I find 8.1 unstable for editing. So now what I'm doing is editing in 8.0c, and final render in 8.1

  • so Panasonic M2TS file does work on Vegas?

    I got Sony Vegas Pro 8b

    Wat format should i convert the file into(with less quality drop as possible) so Vegas can accept it ?

    Thank you!

  • You need 8c, they made bugfixes between those versions specifically including AVCHD handling. It's a free download if your copy is legit. Definitely get it and Vegas will play your files drectly, though playback may still be choppy as previously described.

    The best format is uncompressed but the files are gigantic. As mentioned in a previous msg, many people use something like Cineform Neoscene. It's 129 dollars. I've not tried it yet but will do sometime.

  • Or, instead of Neoscene, there's an interesting - albeit long winded - discussion on the Sony software forums about using Sony's own MXF (XDCAM EX) format as an intermediate codec, the benefits being that it's built into Vegas (ie free), plays back well (even my ancient laptop plays it back smoothly) and re-renders well to your final format for upload.

    So if AVCHD chokes your PC, one workflow is: load your footage; render to MXF, then edit on that. Apparently it stays in good quality.

  • wats sony vegas pro 8b and 8c? how do u know which one u have? i got sony vegas pro 8.0 but idk if its 8c

  • The 'a', 'b' and 'c' versions were minor revisions of version 8.0, released by Sony as bugfixes. When you start the software, it normally shows a logo screen, which says which version you have on the right (in small type under "Vegas Pro 8"). You can also click on Help ... About and it tells you which version. The 'c' version is a free upgrade if you have a legit copy.

  • Thx for the reply, i tried to put m2ts file to sony vegas but it lags and froze. Is there any other way i can put it onto vegas?

    How did you do yours that comes out with that quality ?

  • The AVCHD codec, which nearly all the high-def consumer cameras use, is immensely complex and demands a hugely fast PC to play back properly. eg my Core i7 Dell can only just play the files back and stutters at any transition. It's just a fact of life with the hi-def codecs, unfortunately. It shouldn't freeze totally though. Is your Vegas copy the latest version and is it a legal copy?

  • Also, one (roundabout) way to deal with hi-def stuff is to transcode the files into a less-compressed format first, which the PC can cope with. The files will be much larger and it takes a while to transcode them but again, this is just a fact of life with high def content on current PCs. Eg many people would use something like Cineform Neoscene and work with the files it creates instead of the raw AVCHD. I'm about to try this myself in the next few days, just to make editing easier.

  • Hi there, I just bought a Parasonic HDC-SD20 and have been taken some shot outside my house. When I import the files using the HD Writer program which comes with the cam, the files becomes a M2TS file as it has been imported to the PC. And when I tried playing the M2TS file using a player like GOM or Media Player, the video and the sounds seems to be laggy and it also has horizontals lines going through the images, jus wondering if that meant to happen with a m2ts file or is there problem ?

  • They're MTS files when I import to Sony Vegas so I wouldn;t worry about that. At a guess - without seeing it - the lag is simply because the AVCHD codec is so complex that your PC can't keep it (many can't, even my Core i7 chokes on playback). Don't worry about the horizontal lines on movign shots, that's interlacing in the video. It's completely normal, and will disappear when you render to a non-interlaced format for PC playback, or render interlaced for a DVD.

  • Sorry, I meant to say "can't keep up with it". In fact, that's one of my worst typed replies ever, apologies for the typos!

  • Hi! Me again!

    Thank you for giving me indepth comments back. I have just now (about 20 mins ago) bourght it!!!!

    Aparently, it was the last of its kind in ENGLAND! Every shop apart from Currys had run out of stock!

    I got it. YAY.

    Thanks again for all of the advice.

    Matt

  • No worries & congratulations. I think it's been replaced by the SD10 now which is fractionally smaller but essentially the same.

    Dave

  • Oh. Problem. BIG PROBLEM. errrm, how do you export it in .avi format.

    The HD writer software it comes with wont let you export it, but only on to DVD. Obviously premiere doent work with it. This is rubbish!

  • I don't use the software that came with it, in fact I've never even installed it so I can't help you with that one unfortunately. I edit with Sony Vegas Pro 8.0c which (apart from odd crashes) exports in multiple formats. You may have to bite the bullet and upgrade from CS3 to CS4. Or, I think - don't hold me to this - the consumer (cheaper) versions of Vegas will edit the footage and export in various formats. There are trial versions to download so give them a go before shelling out any cash.

  • Fantastic video.

    I have adobe premiere pro CS3 profesional, and i wonder if the codec is okay for this?

    I have a ridiculoulsy fast P.C and thinking of buying this.

    Also, do you have to capture this to the computer, or do you simply just "Copy and paste" the file?

    I am new to HD, as I have never set hands on one and have been using mini DV my whole life.

    Thanks very much, and again, VERY good film.

  • Thank you for your kind comments. I don't know a lot about Adobe Premiere Pro - the last time I used it was a decade ago! - but according the spec sheet on the Adobe website, only CS4 (not CS3) will edit AVCHD files which is what this camcorder (and 99% of consumer hi-def units) uses.

    You wil certainly need a fast PC - AVCHD is very processor intensive.

    You don't capture like with tape, you just see the camera as a storage device and drag the files across then edit them - it's marvellous.

  • Thanks for the reply,

    Also, when dragging these files, does it split each take or dose it have one long file?

    Does it come with a battery, battery charger, or any other accessorys?

    This would be VERY useful for me to know.

    Finally, my P.C spec is:

    Quad core,

    6 gigs of ram

    a good graphics card.

    Would these be suitable for the camcorder? I just hope the P.C doesnt drop frames like my last one.

    Thanks for your time reading this comment

  • Each "start...stop" sequence is stored in the camera as a separate file, so they drag over like that too. This is common to nearly all solid-state camcorders; the only one I know that's different is a semi-pro JVC unit costing around £5,000.

    The HDC-SD20 comes with charger and 1-hour battery. A two hour spare costs around £60.

    Your PC is fine but may still drop frames on playback (though they're all actually still there in reality). Even my Core i7 drops AVCHD frames under Vegas Pro 8.0c

  • This looks very good.. i have a camera but it's not good enuff to record my motorcylce trips.. i watched this video and this camera seems to be perfect for my needs

    But i am first off buying a Helmet camera for my upcoming trip... maybe this will be my next buy after that !.

  • Can you set the recording format of the camera? Because my recent cam uses Mpg4. Which sucks, because I never use windows movie maker to edit my movies. But in order to edit my movies i first have to run it through WMM in order to be able to import the files into a good editing program as an avi file or wmv.

  • The recording format is fixed as AVCHD which is a version of mpeg-4 so you'll probably have the same issue. Most current hi-def solid-state consumer camcorders use AVCHD these days.

  • Thanks for your respons! Hopefully you will understand my english writing. Im trying the Sony software too and till now it works good. I only guess that my videocart isn't up for it. Hopefully it will work. When i place the movie from my cam on youtube it's getting kind of laggy and the sound is terrible. Its not at the same time as the movie is. Strange. Youtube has not a good codec i think. After converting the video it went better>

    bb

  • A lag between pictures and sound could be due to an interleaving setting on your export from the editing software; very hard to make any recommendations without knowing more about your settings but provided the rendered file plays back correctly on your own PC, then it ought to stay in sync when uploaded. Best of luck!

  • OMG great quality

    Im looking for a 500$ HD camcorder

    and this panasonic is my fav

    but the review of camcorderinfo is killing me

    is true that it have bad low light qulity and low level detail ???

    strange because your video looks great with lots of detail

  • Hi; thanks for your comment. I've only tested the cam so far in bright daylight (it was very sunny for both the clips I've posted so far) so I can't directly answer your query. However, any full HD camera with only a 1/6 inch CMOS chip is not going to be brilliant in low light, but that's a problem for many consumer camcorders. Decent low light performance generally comes with much bigger chips at much bigger cost! I'll see if I can snap some darker stuff in the next few days and post it.

  • Nice movie! thnx for sharing. I've bought this camera (HDC-SD20) but i got an error when i want to post something on youtube :( dont know why

  • The AVCHD codec which this camera uses caused me a few problems too, not in the edit but in encoding to H264 for upload. I use Sony Vegas Pro 8.0c and it would crash randomly. Eventually had to convert all the source files to (huge!) uncompressed AVIs and swap them into the edit. Maybe YouTube's encoder has similar issues ... try exporting to a different format and upload that?

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