WATCH THIS- Before you buy a new monitor! (Xl-2370 vs DELL u2311H)

[Azfargh]

Soundtrack:

"Daniel San, avenge me, your master and friend... destroy the Cobra Kai and his evil master, Steven Seagal."

About the video... I really wished to see this video before purchasing my samsung screen...

[dannycsn]

plzz answer this im looking at this model1080pfullhd panasonic 37" 60hz lcd u series which has ips-alpha does any one know if this would elimate ghosting for my xbox 360 w/hdmi cable

[Gardox86]

Ips and tn panel, NOW, have the same input lag. If you are a good fps gamer, you ought to know that.

[ChuuTuber]

For everyone who thinks abt buying new monitor: Get IPS-Panel.. Dell is usually the cheapest and best. Led is always better than lcd but doesen't make much difference, bit brighter usually and less energy usage.

- IPS-Panel, Dell, Led over lcd but doesen't really make difference -

Dell 23'' UltraSharp U2312HM Should be fine for those looking for 22-24" monitor.

[dingbatbanana]

In your second comment box you spelled the word dollars as dallars. Your background music is so relaxing pffffff.

[C94B]

is the Asus ML2 (2/3/4) 8h a good choice?

[lizardmannnn]

@C94B Its not bad but its not an IPS monitor LED means nothing. Try to find a dell or NEC monitor that has IPS technology.

[afifazzazel]

yeah get the dell ultrasharp

[dokha]

HA! ive been waiting to see a video like this, to prove my philosophy. i always thought samsung was just suger coating (displays) buy NEC or Dell

[lizardmannnn]

@dokha Yep I'm just trying to help people buy the right stuff.

[minority86]

@lizardmannnn ummm gamers would take a TN panel over IPS any day of the week. Its all about what the persons primary uses are. Movies and photos you would go IPS but gaming is always TN, until they come out with an IPS that has low input lag and response time or wait until OLED comes out.

[lizardmannnn]

@minority86 The reason input lag is all the hype these days is because it used to be up in the 10-15ms range the dell u2311h is 8ms which isnt bad even next to the samsung there is no ghosting/lagg my friend has 3 of the dells for gaming and they look fantastic. Tn pannels have horrible color reproduction. But yes OLED will destroy everything when that comes out.

[minority86]

@lizardmannnn How do TNs have bad color reproduction? Digitalversus tested my monitor (Acer H243H) and they said the deltae was 2.2 which is great color. If you mean bad color when viewing from off angles, then I agree, but that doesn't affect me since I view the monitor straight on. I don't know where you heard the Dell u2311h has 8 ms input lag. Digitalversus tested it and it has 16.5 ms input lag, which is 2 frames=not good for FPS gaming. (continued)

[minority86]

@lizardmannnn The contrast ratio is also lower than the my monitor (Acer H243H). Go to Digitalversus and go to "product face off" under "reviews and face offs" "LCD Monitors". You can compare all different monitors with each other. Its a great web site.

[lizardmannnn]

@minority86 If you talking about dynamic contrast ratio that is a useless marketing scam spec which is very annoying because its well advertised. In this video my samsung monitor has a 5,000,000:1 contrast but my dell IPS monitor has 10,000:1 and the dell produces much deeper darks and more vibrant images overall. The main difference between IPS and TN is just color clarity if you really want the extra quality its worth the extra money but for most people tn's are great.

[lizardmannnn]

@zemersEU IPS is a display type LED is a back-light technology. Most LED monitors are TN pannel monitors but IPS produces a much better picture.

[Phonxer]

song gonna make me cry.

[lizardmannnn]

@Phonxer Lol atleast it not copyrighted

[TheMash84]

Man..the sharp and crisp blacks are a complete nonsense...

The dynamic contrast is the last parameter to consider to understand monitor performance.

[lizardmannnn]

@TheMash84 Alright well i'll tell you everyone I have shown this monitor to in person has either bought the same model or another IPS monitor. LED technology in monitors really isn't that great yet in current monitors. And dynamic contrast is a marketing scam I dont care if the samsung had 2 billtion to one its still never going to look better than any of dell's ultrasharps or NEC's professional series monitors.

[SgtMustang]

Just letting you know, the Dynamic contrast ratio is a bullshit statistic, tests with the U2311 showed that using DCR barely increased Contrast ratio, only to about 990:1 vs an average of 900:1 to 950:1. It's highly doubtful that the Samsung approaches what it claims to either. The Dell is a far better screen.

[lizardmannnn]

@SgtMustang Yea all the marketing scams really throw people off. "Well this tv has 5 mil to 1 its got to be better than this other one" blah.

[SgtMustang]

@lizardmannnn Also, CR doesn't have to do with sharpness or image quality, so even if the Samsung does have a better CR, it doesn't necessitate better image quality.

[carlosroberto366]

the dell one is pretty good unless u are lucky to get a decent one (forget about refurbished ones btw they are pretty bad), got my fourth replacement as a new one and i had several points of backlight bleeding :( I'm still waiting a response from DELL Brazil, if they refuse to send me a new one again I'll be forced to get my money back, yes, the monitor is good for gamming but as I said, u need to be lucky.

[fergdizzle9090]

you realize many dell monitors have samsung panels?

[Ryuuken24]

What's the name of the song playing?

[lizardmannnn]

@xXScarecrow187Xx Haha yea a bit smelled like nice new plastic for me kindof like a new car. But you can only smell it really close. its a very high quality monitor LG makes a nice IPS monitor aswell on newegg but aslong as its an IPS monitor you cant go wrong

[GhettoCos]

Ey lizardmannnn, what about the st2320l dell monitor?

[lizardmannnn]

@GhettoCos Thats a decent monitor but only the ultrasharp series from dell is IPS but Led's are still nice.

[TheChrisglasgow]

Asus vg236h i meant to say lol

[TheChrisglasgow]

I have 3 asusvg226h an they r the dogs bollocks 

[WildReefer]

All I know is avoid the Samsung BX 2450. It ghosted badly on text even, if it was on a light grey background. Just took back 2 of them in succession. Going for an LG IPS236V instead I think.

I was surprised, because Samsung usually does a nice, good value TN - for whatever that tech is still worth.

[14wasp]

if you want great darks, go for a zalman.

[lizardmannnn]

@14wasp a zalman monitor? Those are nice and have 3d features but they're not IPS so a ips monitor like the one in this video would still procure better black but it may be better than the xl in this video

[14wasp]

@lizardmannnn okay I didn't know about the IPS thing. I just know (from my own and from other's experience) that Zalman screens are very good with blacks and dark grey colours compared to other screens of the same price.

[lizardmannnn]

@14wasp Hm, good to know do you know how much they cost for like a 22" or a 23?

[14wasp]

@lizardmannnn Well I got my zm-m220w 2 years ago for about 200 euros. That was around the same price as regular 22" displays. (It was a few months before the whole 3d-hype started)

They have all new models now, probably better than mine :)

[MrGrandDragon]

This is nonsense

The Dell has 8ms respond time as opposed to a 2ms respond time from Samsung.

The Dell only has a 10,000:1 Dynamic ration as opposed to 5million:1 from Samsung

[JusticeYouWant2010]

I'm watching with Sapphire 6970 and BenQ XL2410T Pro Gaming Monitor . Real gaming monitors don't have IPS or VA too much lag. Do you want pretty colors and get killed during gameplay ( first person shooters vs other gamers ) then you want VA or IPS ! It is like electricity you can't see it but you can measure voltage with voltmeter, just like 2ms and 5ms, proper test equipment can and does show a big difference bettween 5ms and 2 ms.

[alle71]

im just wondering if 8 ms is slow if you can see big difference

[lizardmannnn]

@alle71 Side by side when i shake windows quickly or when i move around quickly in games they look identical, Of course the dell has the better picture though.

[asuperpower]

@alle71 That's fine... 8ms is quick as, anything faster is a gimmick as your eyes can't see the difference.

[MrGrandDragon]

@alle71

It is slow if you are a gamer and want to purchase a modern Monitory for your gaming edge.

[lizardmannnn]

@MrGrandDragon No it is now slow at all, and this dell u2311h professional grade monitor is WAY better than any "gaming" led monitor. IPS pannel is superior in many ways. People freak out about responce time because it used to be anywhere from 10-20 ms which when you got up to 20 yea the monitor would ghost but 8 is perfectly fine. No ghosting and I play Badcompany2 Crysis 2 wow looks great aswell as HAWX no lagg.

[MrGrandDragon]

@lizardmannnn

Just a question are you using a HDMI input for this comparison? If so what is your source resolution? Try using a DVI output and see if the difference noticeable.

I have been told that none standard awkward resolutions of sub HD and 1080i cause blur and faded detail.

Thanks for the reply.

[lizardmannnn]

@MrGrandDragon I was using DVI this monitor does not have HDMI but for 2 bucks you can get a DVI to HDMI (same wires just different plugs) This monitor does have display port which will be seen on future consoles, and new computers. And responding to your previous comment dynamic contrast is a marketing scam look up u2311h IPS vs tn monitor in the search and even a high end TN monitor like the xl2370 doesn't look good vs the IPS pannel monitors. Just trying to get people to get right stuff!

[MrGrandDragon]

@lizardmannnn

Sorry, yes you are correct. I have been researching more since I made that comment :/

Have you also had a chance to see the PX2370? Does that suffer from the same issues? I think these Samsung models are intended for the style and Led technology. Its still early days but cheap LED tech makes people pay the premium... but I agree with the IPS panel being superior all around

[lizardmannnn]

@MrGrandDragon Ah np, and yea the samsung is more style and energy efficiency and if you are shopping for a new monitor and you picky with image quality im sure youll be pleased with any IPS monitor after I got this monitor 3 of my gaming friends picked up the same one because of its quality.

[hanumanchu215]

don't forget samsung make chip for dell.......

[lizardmannnn]

@hanumanchu215 Yes but Dell manufactures many parts of their monitors themselves. If i look through the vents on the back I can see a Dell logo on one of the pcb's but yes i think samsung does make some parts.

[insane3311]

Im a hardcore gamer on the 360-FPS & Racing.

Which to get?

Dell U2311H or ST2320L or Samsung BX2231

[lizardmannnn]

@insane3311 I would go for the dell the image quality is much more precise than the xl-2370 which was a top end led but the bx and the xl are both tn which in inferrior to IPS.

[insane3311]

@lizardmannnn Thanks. If I really need the hdmi port, will be getting the ST2320L

[lizardmannnn]

@insane3311 Dont forget this monitor also even has a display port so its futureproof and also there are $3 dvi to hdmi converters and careful the ST2320L isn't an IPS monitor only dells ultrasharps are so try to stick with an ultrasharp.

[insane3311]

@lizardmannnn Thanks for the tip. The thing is I used to connect my 360 with a hdmi-dvi cable. Since the Kinect update, there are no display so I had to revert back to the MS vga cable. Still unsure on the real cause

ST2320L reviews aint great and so tempting to get the U2311H.

I really appreciate your help with this :]

[insane3311]

@insane3311 Wait. Solve the problem already. Now there's display :)

[Ryanlul]

@insane3311 samsung is way better it has a 2ms response time means no lag no delay of bullets also with a mega 50000000:1 contrast ration and also has LED backlight for more detailed display the dell only has 1000:1 and a slow 5ms response time

[lizardmannnn]

@Ryanlul Thats exactly what samsung wants you to believe theres a difference between how something looks on paper vs how it preforms. The samsung produces a sad image compared to the dell and the difference between 5ms and 2 is non noticeable. I own both monitors I would know and the reason people wory so much about responce time is because it used to be up in the 15-20ms range where ghosting was apparent but anything below like 8 is no ghosting at all. 50k to 1 is bs the dell has better contras

[insane3311]

@Ryanlul I agree with that but a test showed that the contrast ratio was fake and impossible to achieve. Many people like the Dell with it's picture quality and it's IPS. 8ms vs 2ms aint a big diff unless I purposely want to find a diff. I've made up my mind with U2311H already.

[Ryanlul]

@insane3311 yeah a suppose, but theres monitors that are on 12million :1 and there real plus it cant be fake then the monitor would be taken off the market and 2ms is not noticble with a naked aye but it can be that 1 extra bullet

[63Jax]

well of course Samsung is crap here it uses a TN panel, but Samsung also produces S-PVA panels which are good as IPS's.

[UKFX]

It's funny since I was weighing up monitors for about a month or two. 2311 isn't that highly regarded and the XL2370 has the most natural colour. TN has benefits over IPS, likewise, the IPS has benefits over TN panels, but it doesn't BLOW anything away. Christ, whatever image you're using is nasty.

Btw, quality is also determined by the source. 2311 also has a lack of inputs. Not great for multi-use. Great for PC alone though.

[lizardmannnn]

@UKFX Ah I wouldn't say the 2370 has more natural color side by side some colors look like play doh on the xl while on the u2311 they are more parted out and the shades are more visible. If your anything more than a standard computer user the u2311h is much better even if you just use it to make games look just a little nicer.

[UKFX]

@lizardmannnn Play doh? Dude? Faulty?

Out of the box, the colours are very close to perfect. Check lagom.nl (can't put link, youtube blocks it)

Do note. I use the XL2370HD, which apparently has better presets according to a Monitor tester, aka PCM2 (who has his own website).

So no... I wouldn't call myself a standard computer user. More in the know, than your average joe. (Y) - Not Adv obvs ;)

[m0n3ym3tRix]

U2311H is the way to go. Unless your only getting one monitor, then the U2410 is worth the extra coin, 1 U2410 costs about as much as 2 U2311Hs.

[WeAreVANDIT]

you can perfectly see the difference, THANK YOU for making this video!

[giannisprg]

IPS rulez

[dazcorupt]

I just got my DELL U2311H ... great & accurate colors, sharp & crisp detail, no lagging or ghosting whatsoever due to the 8ms response time. I have nothing to compare it with my previous crappy monitors that were actually more expensive than the DELL. This is the highest quality you will find in a 23' monitor @ this price range & trust me I had 4 crappy TN monitors before I got the Dell: Horizon 2206SW, BenQ g2425hdbl, Asus MS238H & Samsung BX2350 - they were all crap when compared to the DELL!

[gently5210]

@dazcorupt So after a month of using the DELL u2311H what are you impressions?I am asking because I am thinking of buying it myself.

Greetings from Serbia neibghour :)

[dazcorupt]

@gently5210 well as I stated before, the monitor has great performance for it's price range, it's has warm colors & sharp detail, no lag input or ghosting. In the corners there's a small amount of back-light bleeding when there's only black, but it's hardly noticeable, the samsung had that back light bleeding effect on the entire screen & it was led based! so my advice is to go for the DELL!

[Luxferer]

I'm still considering to buy Dell U2311H and Samsung PX2370. I heard someone said Dell has a ghosting when you play a game that has a fast moving like Pro Evolution Soccer. It cause of respond time 8 ms that too much. I don't see it by myself, can u test it?

[lizardmannnn]

@Luxferer Read the comment by Dazcorupt he got the BX2350 and was unpleased and as far as gaming just to give you a reason why people are still overreact about (ms). 5 years ago a good monitor had a response time of 15-20ms and yes ghosting was visible but at 8ms vs 2ms is not very much and I have tested it myself I ran bad company 2 with vertical sync off (getting about 100fps) and got on a minigun and didnt see any ghosting at all. 3 of my friends got this monitor after seeing mine its great.

[dazcorupt]

10x man ... this was usefull

[lizardmannnn]

@dazcorupt Thanks, I'm glad I helped and I hope you try out an IPS monitor!

[dazcorupt]

@lizardmannnn I'll definitely do that & yes Samsung is crap! I got the Samsung BX2350 because it had a pretty design, but dang, the image is so crappy: low contrast, inaccurate colors, gray-ish black, terrible viewing angles & a huge backlight bleeding effect all across the screen. I can't believe I bought this piece of junk, after a week of researching I came to the conclusion that TN based monitors are crap & IPS based screens rule! Hope that next week i'll be looking at this dell model 2 :)

[badguy66626]

i dont care if the image doesnt get visible when u're looking from different angles, what im concern is how clear are the pictures, videos and video games. i want the images to be very clear, more clear than any hd monitors. i went to different stores and non of them have ips monitors for sale. i want to see one before i buy one.

[lizardmannnn]

@badguy66626 I was in the same state of thought as you awhile ago and about to go for another Led monitor that boasted higher contrast, and the thing about ips the image quality is much better in general I know it has a larger viewing angle but I dont really care to much for that. After I got this monitor my friends were also in the market for new monitors and looking at LED lcd. Now They all own the same one I have the Dell IPS 23" monitor. I would recommend any ips display with good reviews!

[lizardmannnn]

@badguy66626 If you have any other questions please ask IPS is too good to pass up!

[fuzi12345]

u r such a genius... u wanna show that a dell display is better than 1 from S/\MSUNG ... but u filmed with such a bad cam, so that its absolutly impossible to see any differences ;DD ... BTW: do u really think that the panels of samsung an dell are assebled by different factories???: :DDD the difference is the price.. and a human isnt (i mean an usual consumer) possible to see any differences fx in full hd-res and 720p in this size ; ) ... or the contrasts ... yes of course there are cheap ones.

[lizardmannnn]

@fuzi12345 Well it's not the best camera but you can see the difference in the video. And in real life the difference is even more apparent. Tn pannel technology doesn't come close to IPS.

[AryaInk]

@fuzi12345 TN panels doesn't come any close to IPS panels, it doesn't matter where they are assembled, they are different technologies and IPS is by far the better one.

E-IPS is cheaper version of S-IPS/H-IPS but it is still better then the TN panel.

The only thing that is in favor of TN Panel is response time with they going from 2ms to 5ms, this dell ips model is 8ms, but with Dell UltraSharp U2410 (24'') the response time goes down to 6ms which is a good one.

[26psyside]

Ofc its better then Samsung, the Samsung monitors are so overrated its a joke really.

[KarlNuevo16]

8 years (and stil counting) of tv industry dominance is by samsung. Just bought the samsung xl2370 it doesnt disappoint me its so fucking awesme!

[lizardmannnn]

@KarlNuevo16 It's a burden to look at compared to the dell monitor.

[Azeon]

What is the Res of this Picture ? where can i download it to compare my U2311H to my T240M ? Thanks.

[realism001]

what's the music in the video?

thanks

[Spy0nu]

Have u seen latest Samsung 55 LED TV?U'll cry and ask for milk.

[lizardmannnn]

@Spy0nu Those screens are very impressive, what im waiting for is OLED there is no backlight so once the pixels turn off its pure black. I've seen one on my friends phone and it's amazing sitting right next to the iphone 4 the amold screen was insane how good the picture was.

[krisspykrapper]

IPS = colour reproduction is vry accurate, might experience motion blur while gaming though

TN = faster refresh and usualy doesnt have motion blur, cheaper panels aswell

[twoPEU]

Samsung has TN panel and Dell has IPS panel...

In other words: samsung for gaming and dell for movies

[lizardmannnn]

@twoPEU No, the dell is E-ips so 8ms responce which is unnoticably slower than the samsung.

So

Ips monitor=awesome gaming/movie experience

any other TN monitor= Sh*tty image quality and bad experience

[PocketDrummer]

@lizardmannnn Response time and input latency are real problems for someone who is sensitive to such things. I, personally, couldn't enjoy Avatar as well in the theaters because every time something moved it looked like a strobe light.

Not to mention, coming from a CRT to a 2ms LCD, I had a hard time getting used the the smudging. Just move your mouse across the screen and you can see it fade and leave a trail. CRTs don't do that.

[lizardmannnn]

@PocketDrummer CRT's give me headaches but I would much rather have better color detail and way more image precision with the IPS monitor than have the unnoticeably faster TN pannel with the bad image. And on either of the monitors in this video do I notice the mouse fading after I move it these are both manufactured in 2010.

[PocketDrummer]

@lizardmannnn I wish I knew where to A/B these two. I was originally going to get the XL2370, but the lack of VESA mounting kinda screwed it for me (I have a top/bottom setup due to the critically important distance between myself and my speakers for mixing/mastering). I do game quite a bit, though. So, I'm worried about the U2311's latency.

For those wondering, I did a bit of research on the u2311. The input latency on that one is about 10ms. Not sure about the samsung...

[lizardmannnn]

@PocketDrummer Alright here's my view from a gamers perspective. I play alot of bad company and l4d supreme commander and alot of other fast paced games and the dell monitor has a special technology to reduce latency below 8 since its an E-IPS monitor. Overall the stunning picture quality compared to the samsung was amazing, even though it is 5-6 ms slower it picture quality is much more important.

The dell U2311h is much better than any TN panel I have ever seen and I think you will agree too

[lizardmannnn]

@PocketDrummer Also monitor latency is a bit of a scam it used to be a HUGE deal back 6-7 years ago when some monitors were as high as 19-22ms latency and there was visible ghosting but anything under 10 isn't bad.

The samsung even though it is LED backlit and is supportively an "amazing experience" is a sad picture compared to the dell as with any other TN pannel you put it up against.

I know I'm sounding like a salesman here but the dell monitor really is that much better and it costs same.

[K1asH3r]

@twoPEU wrong IPS wins over TN in every situation like lizardmannnn said 8ms and 2ms are just numbers the company advertise there is no way to measure response rate