Atheist Vs Christian- It's Just Meaningless.

[stallion4life]

That dude is a lard-filled atheist pretending to be a Christian.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@stallion4life ooooooooh a personal attack from a christian....thats never been done before, guess this one never heard of -turn the other cheek- or -love thy neighbor- or like most religious nut jobs they just pick and choose to suit their needs at the time.

Science flies us to the moon, religion flies us in to buildings.

P.S. I was a christian for many years, then I slowly learned more and more and religion had less and less of a hold on me. You can get better too, if you want to.

[stallion4life]

@rednecktrucker1969 Making fun of someone's appearance is pretty minor compared to making fun of someone's faith. If you think "Science flies us to the moon, religion flies us in to buildings" is a valid point, you have nothing to teach me.

I see people like you all the time. They grow up as ignoramus Christians and then become ignoramus atheists, and think they've make some sort of breakthrough. The problem is that Christians aren't being properly instructed in their faith in the first place.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@stallion4life This is always the problem with folks like you...."oh, YOU were NEVER a real christian" It is like some sort of get out of jail free card. That way you can still think that having faith and denying reality is a valid option. That because you got the, "extra special crazy sause" on your food, it absolves you from dealing with your own petty fears and ego. All you end up doing is sounding crazier and more unstable, pity really, waste of an otherwise good life, you only get 1 ya know

[fizzingwhizbeee]

If you would like, I could define "righteousness". I don't think my definition of it would be so different than yours. I've heard an atheist say that they get their morals from empathy, but it really is more than that. It appears we were given instructions on how to behave. Unlike Christians, the instructions I'm talking about don't come from the Bible. I believe we are very similar. We both accept that there could be some Gods and there could be no Gods. So why are you an "atheist"?

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee "It appears we were given instructions on how to behave." Most of us just call them parents. :) Also we have it in our genetic code, it evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, same thing with a need for religion, it started as a way to explain things and form groups, as a social mechanism. We have out grown the need for it now though and in order to release our potential we need to progress, not regress, that is why I am an Atheist.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 "parents...genetic code...evolved" You understand. Bless you, Good Sir! You said it better than I could have. You still didn't exactly explain why you are atheist. We have out-grown the need for a God? I can identify; I would be a very different person had I not had been raised believing in something divine. The bible taught me a lot about "truth" and humans. I have also outgrown that "dependence". But I cannot declare myself atheist.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

how you acted in this world. so I try to live (righteously). Although Atheists yearn to spread the message "we don't rape babies" and "we're good people too", they make the argument that they would rather not base life on the existence of a magic man. Why would you suppose the belief in God would change how a person acts? I'm not talking about a particular religion like Christianity, rather, just belief in the thing that has no proof. Happiness and "righteousness" are not mutually exclusive.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee "belief in God would change how a person acts?" UM 9-11 anyone...inquisition...anti-ab­ortion folks...creationists...the list goes on forever. As long as you open the door to gods, they have complete control over you. This is what it is meant by "living life presumming the existance of gods". If you let the possibility of one in, then the only disagreement you can have is to the extent of your own psychosis.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 "anyone...inquisition...anti-a­b­ortion folks...creationists" Being anti-abortion has nothing to do with religion. Also, you misunderstand. I'm not talking about the beliefs (based) on the belief in a magic man "there is a magic man AND he told me to kill you" or "there is a magic man AND he made the world in six earth days". Consider for a moment the repercussions of believing there is a God but nothing more.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee Once you believe in a god, the mind makes it be something more. Now the god has rules that you need to live by, he has sex (he) he has an appearance, he has judgement, power, grace, vengence, and well anything else you want to make up...because he ultimately is that as well (made-up).

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 If you say so. It sounds like you believe in a God with personalized attributes too. "he ultimately is that ...made-up" Not only he is, but he is made-up too. jk. You seem to repeat (nq)"he is made up" a lot. This seems to be central to your non-beliefs, is it not? You know, those statements are positive, so the burden of proof would be on you. You are saying more than "I don't believe you". You are saying, "there isn't because you/they made him up". That should be provable.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 And come to think of it, you didn't answer my question, what is wrong with believing in a higher deity? You basically said the mind wants to build upon this concept. But if someone doesn't? If people's delusions or misconceptions of what God's rules are is what causes biggotry and insanity, then fight against that. I give you props for labelling your series A vs C, but I could do a "theist vs Christian" (or deist or agnostic) and kick their asses too.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

I will not pretend I can understand things beyond this world. One must understand something first to be able to accept in full their existence OR non-existence. Atoms. Do you believe in them? Probably. It is the most recent theory, and science could never be wrong. -_- Do you really understand their nature? I'm guessing not as much as you could. I don't understand them entirely (does anyone really?), so I cannot judge them yet. The only honest truth in science and religion is "I don't know".

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee I was not always a truck driver, I used to be a chemical engineer in the Semiconductor industry, so I do have a small grasp of Atoms and other small things.:) As far as "judging Atoms" goes, I have atoms, I can see atoms, I can test for atoms, and prove they exist through these methods. As you research religions, you find they are all false and are blatantly man made. Whatever mental blocks you have to prevent you from seeing this are yours alone. Reality will be waiting for you

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 Please do not take offense at my last comment. It really was not meant as an attack on your intelligence. I was only trying to point something out about science. I will come back to the atom. Reality is waiting for me? That is joyous news indeed, but I must admit I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. I accept reality as far as I can see, but I'm sorry that I cannot accept the absolute lack of a God as the only reality.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee That is the problem that only you can face, when you say that you "cannot accept" a thing it does nothing but show a closed mind. I am open to their being a god of some kind, but since there is no evidence, I will not live my life assuming there is one. Jus as I do not live my life assuming there is a pink dragon in my house.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 Closed mind? You misunderstand me, good sir. I cannot accept "there are no Gods" as the one and only true fact about them. I am open to the idea of there not being a God too. But I cannot and will not hold so tightly to to the idea that there is no God that I lose myself. We could easily die, and have everything end there. So I try to enjoy life now and better the world. We could die and enter a magical afterlife where the forgiving Jesus judges you to a place that reflects

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee That is the problem that only you can face, when you say that you "cannot accept" a thing it does nothing but show a closed mind. I am open to their being a god of some kind, but since there is no evidence, I will not live my life assuming there is one. Just as I do not live my life assuming there is a pink dragon in my house.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 "I have atoms, I can see atoms, I can test for atoms, and prove they exist through these methods" Thank you, kind sir, for playing along. 1789: Antoine Lavoisier discovered/invented the law of conservation of mass. 18th -19th century: experiments supporting atomic theory were performed. 1986: the scanning tunneling microscope was developed.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

"He will say, you picked the wrong one and condemn you to hell" Why? How do you know that? Has (He) told you this? No. You assume. Because the bible says so? Well I'm not Christian so try again. You take the most insane contradiction for a God (God of the bible) to defeat, leaving possible concepts untouched.

Why believe? As ancient philosophy would have me respond: why not? There are many things I do not understand. The existence or lack of a creator is one of them.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee Do you think that by not believing in Allah will save you from him on judgment day? If you believe that, then I am exempt from all judgment from all bat shit crazy man made gods....lol

The question still remains, why believe in a creator when there is no need nor evidence for one, the reasons not to believe are apparent, religions kill other religions that don't think the way they do.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

"without people God is meaningless"

Without people, the laws of physics are not meaningless, why would the laws of the metaphysical be any different? An object does not need to be observed to exist.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee Well, you see, gods of any kind are fictional characters, thus they hold no meaning, nor do they exist without people to make them up. Physics still occurs because there is a real testable universe that is the evidence for physics. An object once observed, can be proven to exist, no gods exist because of the lack of evidence/need for them to exist.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 (1) Your first point only makes sense if one takes your first statement "gods of any kind are fictional characters" as true. I've seen a few negative claims by atheists. Unfortunately, this is a positive claim. Like the claims of theists you mock, this has no proof.

" An object once observed, can be proven to exist" Almost true, I get what you are trying to say. However, your form is invalid at best. All OO are P. No G are P. Therefore, no G are EG.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 (2) At best, you've "proved" G is not an Observable Object. Duh. But to take God to non-existence, you must say all E are OO. This last bit is very false. As I have said: "An object does not need to be observed to exist". Dare you to disagree, or to rearrange your argument in a way that's actually mildly valid.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee The problem is with the terms used. If I say that I have a pink dragon that is invisible and cannot be proven in any way, then does it exist? Just because I say so, does not make it exist. Just because millions of people believe it, does not make it exist either. Existence by it's very nature must be observable, testable or in other ways known to exist. Gods of all faiths fail in this area.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 (1) "Pink dragon bit" You atheists say exactly the same thing without realizing the opposing argument with a similar analogy. The "pink dragon", "pink unicorn", "flying spagetti monster" and others are a great analogy because they are generally accepted as nonexistent. Is there anything generally accepted as existent with these qualities? Hell yes. I propose to you that you are made of tiny particles invisible to the naked eye. You will either disagree (unlikely)...

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969(2) or respond with "but we can prove that to be true" as so many others have. Correct me if I am wrong so that I may continue.

"Existence by it's very nature must be observable" I suppose. Well... not really, and let me explain why. Observable by whom? There are many people that swear they have been abducted by aliens, does that mean aliens have been observed and therefore exist? Observable by present science? Present science had no reason to believe geocentricism wasn't...

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 (3) the way the universe worked until they found evidence "proving" otherwize. In fact, all evidence at the time pointed them to that conclusion. Do you believe that the far side of the moon didn't exist until 1968? Just cause we haven't gotten there yet, doesn't mean something is unprovable, and it certainly doesn't mean something can't exist.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee Bottom line of this argument is... It is like on election night, when 18% of the votes are in, and yet the news station is already calling a victory for one party or the other.

In our world now, we have enough information to rule out a god, at least the ones described in every holy book. Could we be wrong, sure. Are we wrong, not likely. So why base your life on something that does not exist? Probably fear, and that is something you have to deal with, not me. :)

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 (1) I encourage you not to believe you know what makes people tick. I am not afraid of God. I am not afraid of life without God. I am not afraid of being wrong.

"one party or the other". Quite. Perhaps you are not actually atheist?

"at least the ones described in every holy book". I agree, but I cannot proudly declare myself atheist. Why? Because I cannot believe the existence of something I don't understand is dependent on the accuracy of thousand year old diary entries..

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 (2) It is unwise to base your life on the idea that there will surely be no consequences after death, then there are. If one bases their life on the idea of a God, what are the negative consequences if there aren't? A false sense of security? Wasting time? Intolerance? You don't have sex before you are married? How do you define basing your life on God? If doing good to all men is that, I strive to do just so! Now as to why people waste time at church: I got nothin.

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee The problem remains, if you die and are confronted by Allah, he won't care that, "at least I believed in some form of sky faerie" He will say, you picked the wrong one and condemn you to hell, same as me. So again, why believe in something you know ain't so, just to believe? I actually live a more moral life knowing that I am respocible for my own actions, no one has paid for my sin, it is all my fault when I do a bad thing, da devil did not make me do it.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969... existed before that. Ah, but there is evidence to support this theory, therefore, they exist. By not requiring visualization to prove an object's existence, you have extended the era of atoms by around a hundred years. But before that, there was no evidence whatsoever that humans had understood. Good Sir, did atoms exist at all before 1789?

[rednecktrucker1969]

@fizzingwhizbeee The problem remains, if you die and are confronted by Allah, he won't care that, "at least I believed in some form of sky faerie" He will say, you picked the wrong one and condemn you to hell, same as me. So again, why believe in something you know ain't so, just to believe? I actually live a more moral life knowing that I am responsible for my own actions, no one has paid for my sin, it is all my fault when I do a bad thing, da devil did not make me do it.

[fizzingwhizbeee]

@rednecktrucker1969 Now let me address your argument. "I have atoms": quite begging the question good sir. I cannot use "I have a soul" as proof souls exist. "I can see atoms". With the naked eye we can see the construction of atoms (Not unlike one could argue you can see the construction of a creator). One could as easily argue you are made up of tiny unicorns. But there are machines that allow you to visualize them! Well, only since 1986, and you would likely have us believe they

[davidxssbb]

ROFL, what a terrible argument.

[rednecktrucker1969]

I know, christians are really lacking something.

[davidxssbb]

Rofl, no I mean that the movie made a terrible argument against Christianity. God has a triune nature that means without people He can exist in communion. He doesn't need people because He has Himself.

[rednecktrucker1969]

Well the question seems to be about meaning, not existence. Without people gods existence is meaningless.

Before you say anything, remember what my next line is..."well then, people can exist without god as well, and have done so for millions of years. "

[davidxssbb]

That is what I meant by communion. He has community, thus he gives himself meaning. That of course assumes that love is meaning.

[rednecktrucker1969]

As a human, you can have love without gods, but gods have to have humans to worship them or their existence is meaningless.

If you are saying that god, jesus, and ghost are all good with just talking amongst themselves, then you are making god out to be some sort of schizophrenic like Sybil or something. This is the dude you really want to be worshiping for billions upon billions of years?

[davidxssbb]

I see what you mean. You mean to say that if we do not worship them they are meaningless to us, this is a hypothetical that I don't see happening though it would be an interesting test.

Shizo is an incorrect way of looking at it. A shizo has separate personalities, God does not. Each character is God and individual, unlike anything we can conceive rationally but the logic that follow that assumption is the better for it.

[rednecktrucker1969]

That is almost worse.. now god is a suicidal/homicidal maniac. (sends his son down to be killed, if they are all one then he comited suicide, knowing that people would kill him and he was homicidal because he sent his son down, again, knowing what would happen)This god of yours does not get better with further explanations.

[davidxssbb]

Hey look a red herring, but really does any of that even make sense to you?

1. He sacrifices his own son for everyman.

2. Men killed him.

You are trying to put them together when they are separate, and separate when they are together.

[rednecktrucker1969]

Not at all, god is all knowing, thus he knew men would kill him, he did it anyway, thus he is suicidal.

[davidxssbb]

It's homicide, someone else killed him. Him knowing about it has nothing to do with it, the Pilot still had him killed.

[davidxssbb]

Lul, Pilot not "the Pilot"

[rednecktrucker1969]

Wrong, god created everything thus everything is part of god, thus god killed himself..

The question you need to ask yourself is..Why do you need to have a god?

[davidxssbb]

If I paint a picture am I the picture? No, the painting is independent of me. Therefore when God created the universe he made it such that it is not part of him. What you are describing is the polytheistic belief, where gods make up the very reality we experience. (i.e. Gaia is earth)

As to why I need a God, why do I need water? Water substantiates me, it keeps me from dieing. Same with the Spirit, but in a way that is more real. Water keeps me alive momentarily but God keeps me eternally.

[rednecktrucker1969]

Don't get silly now. Did god go to the store and buy a canvas and paints....NO!!! In the beginning there was nothing, so god had to make it from something, since he was the only thing around, it had to be made from himself.

So you need god to pacify your own ego and your inability to face the reality that this existence is the only one you get. thanks for being honest about it. Most religious people will cite that it is fear of going to hell. I always believed for the same reasons you do.

[davidxssbb]

It's not silly at all. I don't know how much you know about physics, but something can come from nothing. (quantum possibility).

You have taken my statement the wrong way. I need God to substantiate me, that is for this life. I will still die, but only my flesh fears that death. I said "keeps me eternally" because it more than water, not because I fear death.

[rednecktrucker1969]

The something coming from nothing in physics refers to a Heisenberg principle, and that something can only exist for a microsecond before it collapses again and the something is in the scale of sub micron so it is not very big either.

Ask yourself why you fear death then? (pssst. its because your ego does not want to die.)

What do you mean by "substantiate me"? Would you feel worth less if you did not feed your ego with lies?

[davidxssbb]

Non the less, God created from nothing not from himself. If you can prove that the universe is made up of God, by all means I will switch to polytheism.

Substantiate means to sustain, to fill. I would not feel worthless anymore then you feel worthless without God. It is easy enough for one to think that they are 'good enough' without Christ. I meant that he fills in the cracks, because I am such a terrible man. Pride is one of the terrible things, or ego as you put it. (Never said I fear death)

[rednecktrucker1969]

Now we are getting somewhere, "god created from nothing not himself" Great, now the old xian argument against the big bang has no teeth....lol (even though it was a bad argument anyway)

You did say that the flesh fears death. I presume you are a human, on planet earth, thus made of flesh.

I really feel sorry that you think of yourself as a "terrible man" I hope you don't go rob stores and rape people and things like that.

[davidxssbb]

I never argued against the BB theory. (and the show is hilarious).

Those are the only options for terrible men? Things like that? I'm sure you get angry about more then things like that. Especially at people that you know, kid says he hates you, or someone is interested in your wife...

[rednecktrucker1969]

I would not place someone admiring my wife as terrible, nor a child saying they hate me. Murder, rape, incest (scratch the last one, it is OK by bible standards) are things I would consider terrible.

[davidxssbb]

Admiration has nothing to do with this desire...

Incest is okay? Never heard that one before, although I know that the Jewish people were not allowed to marry in the family.

[rednecktrucker1969]

Incest- see the story of the woman getting turned to a pillar of salt. They find a cave and his daughters sleep with him because they think they will die virgins. Even though they mention that there is a different town 14 miles away. They never get punished for doing this either.

I have had guys say "what is a hot gal doing with you?" and even worse things said in the comments, very explicit things. It can't bother me because I trust her and I know her so there is nothing to b jealous of.

[davidxssbb]

Lot's wife is the one turned into salt, and it is his daughters that sinfully take advantage of his drunken state. It is outlined several ways in Leviticus that incest is wrong, if you know nothing of the Bible you should not make claims that you do.

[rednecktrucker1969]

What? They never get punished. It don't matter how many times the bible says something is wrong, if the people never get punished then where is the consistency.

I have read the bible cover to cover 2 times in my life, once as a believer and once as a non-believer. I know more about the bible than most followers of it...lol :)

[davidxssbb]

There is more to the Bible than reading it.

No punishment is recorded, we don't really need to know it. The outcome of their behavior was regrettable, two nations were formed that fought the Israelites.

[thedeeliciousplum]

I agree with MrEvilution777 :D Wonderful vid. I am grateful that Brett favourited it, as I would not have stumbled upon it. Best wishes.

[HonestDiscussioner]

I hate the Mac vs. PC commercials but I love these.

[rednecktrucker1969]

I think it drives the point home. God is meaningless without people to worship him.

[PhoenixRayneweaver]

Atheist Vs Christian- It's Just Meaningless.

666 views - 3 months ago

i saw this after i watched it lmao..........think its a sign???

[rednecktrucker1969]

lol, just a number..oops now it will be 667:)

[PhoenixRayneweaver]

lmao it was sarcasm

[coladict]

I've actually never heard this argument before. It's a damn good one.

[rednecktrucker1969]

I have been hearing that a lot. It just came to me, as we were getting ready to shoot it. We had not come up with an ending yet, and I said it and we looked at each other and said it was a good one. Little did I know how good it would be. :)

[Spleep007]

Such a good answer. I just got to remember that one. Cheers.

[KingHeathen]

WHAT!? No outtake at the end? I feel cheated!

[rednecktrucker1969]

We screwed up and did it in one take, go figure!

[KingHeathen]

yeah, well, don't let that shit happen again!

[shade421]

BRILLIANT AND WELL PUT!!!!!!

[Kattarina98]

I hope you will make many more in this style. They are nice and crisp.

[rednecktrucker1969]

thanks, we hope to do more.

[kalescu]

im loving this series!

[rednecktrucker1969]

cool, glad you like it.

[kalescu]

Your wife should make a video.. I would love to hear her story. You are a lucky guy, she is a lovely woman!

[rednecktrucker1969]

maybe she is the lucky one?!?!

Why does everyone assume I lucked out? Am I that ugly, and no one can see human worth beyond appearance?

Just kidding I know what u meant...lol

[TimCubUAkbar]

She's definitely the lucky one. Lucky to have such an intelligent, entertaining, and enterprising guy to love her.

[fiusux12]

AWESOME... again!

Thanx for this wonderfully refreshing, entertaning series.

[rednecktrucker1969]

so glad you are liking it. Pleas share it with others if you want. :)

[samOFblorx]

I personally like WizardJim's take on purpose: Why do we need a purpose? We're not appliances. We're living, sentient beings.

[rednecktrucker1969]

yea really!

[shawndimery]

Haha very good! Is that your wife?

[rednecktrucker1969]

yes, and shes my sister too!

lol just kidding

[SuperFlyNB]

Nice Turnaround...

[CousinoMacul]

I never thought of turning that one around on them like that. Nice!

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

Wow, that's actually a kinda good point :D

[rednecktrucker1969]

You seem so shocked that I could make a good point....lol

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

I don't usually expect good, original points to be made in a comedy video. Most new ideas, aren't generated from comedy.

[kaxitaksi]

Good point ;)

[killroy42]

I want bloopers :(

[rednecktrucker1969]

We screwed up and did it in one take. Sorry.

[killroy42]

I guess you'll have to record a fake blooper now!

[tattooskin72]

LOL, that's a good thing isn't it though?

[Umbalafum]

This one went well right away ;o))

[rednecktrucker1969]

yes, no bloopers for this one, imagine that!

[rockerwere]

LoL, I love these... Good stuff. Keep it up!!