Vietnam Patrol

[71jeepnut]

Im sure you guys had a good time filming it. No things are not right. But listen to the comments of the guys that were really there. I was not. But was taught in my days in a Ranger unit by guys that were really there. Techniques are lost over the years. (Field craft) As for the larger guy. Don't take any offense. Some of these guys that comment negatively couldn't get there own but out of the house to do this filming. Just take the comments and improve on them.

[corebare]

Nice movie. "War is hell" has lost all meaning apparently.

[71jeepnut]

too much with the rough movement of the vegetation. Need to move slower and more fluid. Silhouetting is very bad too. Camo looks good. All in all pretty good. Spread too far apart(3-5) Turn your mic down. Sound travels along way. Parallel the trails dont move down them. Hope this is used as positive not Negative.

[reconmart]

@71jeepnut Thanks for the info. :)

[Johnny3031000]

The first two guys are not patrolling their arcs, or covering their sectors correctly. The last guy, arse-end arnold or tail-end charlie is doing at least half a decent effort, but the other blokes are just looking strait ahead most of the time. Nice gear, though.

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[wathacraftspfd]

not real. first the fat guy is too fat for a long range patrol and his eye glasses are not goverment issue. lrrp units are a type of special force and most all lrrp units the military wanted men with 20/20 vision anyway. but this could fool many people unless you know what to look for.

[reconmart]

@wathacraftspfd this is a re-enactment of a marine force recon patrol, not army lrrp, recon and lrrp were more elite rather than being 'special forces', there are many pics of recon marines wearing BCG, Cpl Bishop from team snakey was but one who wore them, OK the guy is 'fat' it was his first day with us, he is working on his 'fat', he now has a pair of BLG, costing him £120, all the information can be found in ALEX LEE's book and BRUCE 'DOC' NORTON's books, check out the guys with glasses.

[gamtnrider]

Not even close!

Sign me, A Viet Nam Marine Sergeant, 1969-1970.

[reconmart]

@gamtnrider  what not just a little bit, :(

[johntellerman1]

What I noticed is that we never had gas masks on patrol. One guy has wire rim glasses, which were not around then. I didn't see any Kbars or bayonets or machetes. The radio antenna was not up when they transmitted. We never wore packs or rucks on recon patrols, only long range combat patrols. One guy is in green cotton sateen utilities which were phased out in November '65 when get got green jungle utilities. Cammies came in around '69 or later. I was a grunt in 9th Marines in '65-66.

[reconmart]

@johntellerman1 Every reconner carried gas masks on the left hip, we all have k-bars on our H harness, all force recon teams had rucks, five days in the bush needed a lot of food water and ammo, if you look close he is wearing green jungle utilities, 1968 dated, not cotton sateen, 3rd force recon wore ERDL early '69, the guy now wears BLG Nam dated, we are a re-enactment group and any info is always welcome.

[CrushProject]

if you want to learn how to patrol i think the vietnamese are still the ones you should be watching. Based on old japanese methods, they send the first guy through on his hands and knees with no weapons for mobility and increased stealth. We almost never found these patrols first throughout the entire war.

[reconmart]

@CrushProject So are you saying a force recon point man should patrol on his hands and knees, with a 60-80 pound ruck on his back for five to six days with no weapon, what about 'contact front' or 'ambush' they patrolled like recon marines, and they were bloody good at it, read BRUCE NORTON's books, I may have only been a royal marine reservist, but even I know you dont run the bush without a weapon!!!

[CrushProject]

@reconmart How bout handing your rucksack to a comrade, and have 2 armed troops (with rpg's and suppression) behind you a fair distance to cover your back. And would it be a problem to switch off between soldiers doing this? Look at reports man. The enemy almost always dictated the time and place of ambush, not the other way around. Try reading the John H. Poole series. Will change how you see the battlefield, and written by a very accomplished and modern source. Eastern ftw.

[shootload1911]

Awesome Marine recon patrol done with stealth no talking except a radio interval check in, hand and ARM signals. Sleeves down.. proper camouflage on faces and neck.. good use of.aviator gloves.. retro Vietnam uniforms. Good stuff. This is a good example.of a reconnaissance patrol Semper-fi!

[brandaoz]

All that equipment in the jungle...holly shit ,40 celsius of heat....impossible!

[scarecrow25]

a fat fuck like @ 5:09 could not be a marine. well maybe an american marine.

[johntellerman1]

@scarecrow25 American Marine? You are clueless. All of us lost weight there. I went from 181 lbs when I landed to 132 when I left. Up to 130 degrees F and 90 percent humidity, and lousy C-rations and contaminated water. Everyone had dysentary and most caught malaria at some point. When I came home I looked like I got out of Auschwitz.

[scarecrow25]

a fat fuck like @ 5:09 could not be a marine.

[grantourismo0109]

CONTACT !!!!!

[dinonam92]

these r rangers, not marines

[reconmart]

@dinonam92 , 3rd force recon usmc re-enactment

[sparkyspiers]

Moores Miltaria has real nice nam stuff. ERDL/Tigers,web gear everything u need to do the Nam right.

[icemelongreen]

Cool video, good research on the gear. Another guy with a Grease Gun would have looked cool. I knew an old Marine Recon Vet who carried one in 65. He taped the mags "one up and 2 down".

He recalls being knocked unconscious and being saved by his friend. He said a VC was going to CUT HIS EAR off when his buddy zapped him. Do another Vid showing an NDP or Harbor Site. The Movie "Dead Presidents" did a credible job.

[Herbymac0811]

Sorry ice but that movei put a realy bad holly wood spin on recon marines in the field . they broke down their weapon's talked way to loudly , and the one guy has his junk cut off couse he went off alone .

But then again holly wood will never get the part of Marines to be right on .

[icemelongreen]

I saw alot of things wrong with that movie. The Tiger Stripe Boonie Anthony wore the "360" scene were they were coughing and had more than 1 weapon broken down. The only part I was refering to was the M-3 Grease Gun. Most people don't realize they were carried along with Swedish Ks, Silenced Stens and SW 760s. They did not all carry M-16 and CAR-15s. The ERDLs were good in the Movie though along with the 782 gear.

[Herbymac0811]

Ya they loved to get their hands on submachine gun's when ever they could !

Shot gun's were a prized item too =)

[icemelongreen]

Herby I noticed you were looking for repro ERDL there is a company in I believe in Thailand that were reproducing them. I wish I still knew the Company. I remember buying real ERDLs for cheap back in the early 80s. I have in my possession 2 pairs of mint conditon Tigers my Boss gave me years ago. Down side though they are Asian Scale meaning too small .. Bummer.

[LegallyMoi]

Thought it was good filmaking but the content got pretty boring.

[nihongo02341]

Australians are only that quiet!

[lizzzzardking]

lol, you're probably right.

[tredman99]

@nihongo02341

I read, in summer that some Australian army patrols may have only made 500m in the day

[thenutbutterman]

love this bit of filming, never get bored watching it.

[MandAgamereviews]

that was good looked authentic....but was really really boring...dno if tht was just the affect lol but seemed abit pointless to watch too me unless u like watchin guys walk thorugh some woods

[lizzzzardking]

Thanks for the feedback and I agree with you. Check out my other Vietnam video Rattlesnake Bumped, you may find that more interesting.

[reconmart]

why bother making lame comments, when you know what your looking at, then re post comment, game player my ass.

[MandAgamereviews]

...... i gave my opinion, and surly tht is what this website is for? if u cant handle it fuck off, christ would u rather i lie? idiot

[reconmart]

like I said, when you know what your talking about, reply, I'm still waiting for you to know what you are talking about, maybe get a girl friend, stop playing with yourself and grow up, prick!!!

[MandAgamereviews]

its my fuckin opinion u fail lol its free speech..i have a gf.... and the only time i play with myself is when i finish playing with ure mum u jumped up little dickhead its my oppinion and u wont stop me posting so stfu, and i gave positive feedback on another of this dudes vids so whats ure problem

[kennoetzel]

Really really fine, I feel bad if I even mention the small flaws I think I see. Gear should look more worn, sweat stained, dont shave 4 3 days before doing the video. Look a bit tired, we were always tired. I noticed that pick/shovel - we never carried them - no noise digging night position - you NEVER want to give away your night position. Others out there - I ask did others carry pick/shovel on lrrp or small patrols? I'm army, I know the marines had other sop.

[reconmart]

Thank you for your comments, we really do appriciate feedback from guys like you,then we start our full length video in the spring,we will take note of all the points raised and use them for the betterment of realism, we know we are only re-enactors and can only touch on how things were done by A RMY LRRP's and RECON Marines, The last thing we would want to do is offend anyone by making videos of the brave men who ran the bush during the Vietnam War,thank you once again have a good knew year.

[reconmart]

Or a good NEW year even.LOL

[Herbymac0811]

If these are only test's then I can't wait to see the finished product !!!

[Herbymac0811]

Not a problem my friend =) Glad I could help .

All in all I'd say your doing a pretty good job of looking like marines .

P.S. Where did you get your uniforms ???? I mean the old jungle tri color that you are wearing in the video . I think the pattern is called EDRL .

I'v been looking for a while but can't find them !

[Herbymac0811]

Might want to add at least one M-14 to your team aswell =)

Marines loved those thing's !

[lizzzzardking]

Thanks for the feedback, you can never have too much authenticity. We are aware of all the problems you kindly informed me of and we are recruiting for more members and shopping for new kit all the time. These 2 videos were test pieces for a much larger project this summer, so we didn't get the kit spot on. Thanks again for the feedback, it's always appreciated.

[Herbymac0811]

One more thing ! When you find your last 4 men make sure one of them can get his hand's on an M-60 or an M-63 Stoner LMG . Add a few law rocket tubes to a few guy's pack's as well .

Recon balives in fire power . The more of it you'v got the faster you will break contact and get away !

[Herbymac0811]

LCPL. FIELDS 3/11 1st MARDIV .

2 big thing's to fix . 1st The guy in just green , he look's difrent so he might get shot at 1st . If you look difrent it tell's the enemy there might be something speacial about you . Get him a uniform that look's like your's .

2nd your team is short 4 men . Marine recon teams were and still are comprised of 7 men . I'm not hateing , only offering help . Other than that , DAMN FINE WORK ! Semper Fi .

[FranklinParkIL]

Thank you for producing a most extraordinary portrait of the American fighting man in Vietnam!

Featured on my play list page one for Veteran's Day 2008.

Best Always - Ben (US Army 70-72 84C20 MoPic Ft Ord.

[lizzzzardking]

Thank you for your kind comment. It is very gratifying when veterans appreciate my humble offerings. I am eternally grateful to all those who made such sacrifices in the name of freedom, whichever conflict that may have been in.

[grbroussard]

OUT'FRICK'IN STANDING!!!

[lizzzzardking]

Interesting. It's always tough to get people to play charlie. I have a lot of vietnamese kit myself (obviously i'm not in this video). We would love to work on a bigger project. Whereabouts are you?

[vietnamwarlhg]

Awsome,Awsome!!!!! outstanding Vid

[lizzzzardking]

Thanks very much. If you liked that, you'll love the one I'm working on at the moment!

[vietnamwarlhg]

I am working on NVA,NLF and VC fighting footage we should combined videos to produce something that could be amazing, what do say?

[chucka10580]

nice re-enactment job. a bit exaggerated, but technically correct. chuck,former LRRP team memeber/MACV recondo school grad

[lizzzzardking]

Thanks for the feedback. What could be improved in the future? I always welcome constructive criticism, especially from someone as qualified as you.

[reconmart]

thanks for the comment chuck, full respect to you and what you did as a LRRP.We do try to improve and by making film clips like these, we can see things that could be done better,we try to portray recon as best as we can and hope not to offend guys such as yourself. I,m the tailend charlie in the video clip,Regards, Marty.

[BrutalDeluxe80]

at 2:44 ,i'm the vietnamese guy recycling unexploded bombs in a tunnel.

it was an honour to take part in such a great video.

[markskin45]

great filming and exellent patrolling! only wish I could have lead on point!!! sorry I missed it,good work to all involved, see you all soon,mark.3rd recon,

[lizzzzardking]

Glad you liked it. The next one will be better - I hope you'll be in it!

[norseman7088]

Good work!

I enjoyed watching your tailend charlie covering your backtrail.

Something people often forget.

[CrusherJ08]

glad you liked it SONofAnamVet,I've seen your

'In the last 24 hrs'flick, good also,Lizzzzardking knows a thing or two about filming,Iam the founder member of our3rd FR group,when we can get all our members together and our kit sorted we will be making the full length video,Marty.

[reconmart]

sorry, I used my sons username and not mine for the last post, check his videos out anyway, Marty.

[SONofAnamVet]

whoah my bad...replyed to your son......LOL

[SONofAnamVet]

looking forward to seeing the video! we'll be making a "short" independent film about a FR team soon... hopefully it might be on dvd sometime...ive gotten quite a huge collection of USMC items now.

[SONofAnamVet]

looked pretty fuckin awesome dudes! I also do 1st & 3rd FR vietnam.

[reconmart]

This is the best bit of cameramanship (is that a word?) I have seen in a long long time, Andy you just get better and better, it was a joy letting you film us guys, can't wait to make the full movie with you in it, man I am blown away with it, Tony has never looked better,Chris is just great fitting in with the team, ROCK'N'ROLL DUDE, thank you sooo much, Marty.