The Shaolin Bagua Palm Set

[MechPhantom]

awesome ! true master indeed!

[manoutside]

Wong Kieu Kit has a true shaolin lineage, and this form only probes that karate have shaolin origins, and Zen influences, that many other kung fu schools have forgoten, sadly many styles of fukien as lost, beautiful form

[hgearangler]

good work, good stance/precise applications/-------very good demo

[dHARMa187]

Great form! At first I thought this was Tiger but then I read your info and realized that it is the Dragon this form is modeled after!

[dHARMa187]

I noticed the Tiger movements in this form. I'm wondering if those are tiger claws or open palms during those movements? Either way its truely made with the spirit of the Tiger!

[giamsiap]

nice form! especially its harder to perform on wet sand. keep working hard! :)

[ChineseOpera8]

Yes this a form from Master Wong based on the 'Ba-Gua' symbol of 8 tri-grams,...just like there is a Mantis form based on the 'Tai-Chi' symbol, but doesn't move like the internal styles of Tai-Chi chuan, just as this particular form doesn't coil or step in a circle as the internal Ba-Gua zhong styles do. Jie ge tao lu si hen hao le'. Nice form!

[epheseus]

Nice form - thanks for sharing..

[sifukt]

actually if im not mistaken the sanchin kata and other hard katas are chinese kuens, even weapon katas like the sai and kama came out of chinese

[kanelieux]

Wong kiew kit is a very accredited master thats awesome you got to learn from him!

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[RyoDavis]

So that's where Seiyunchin came from o.O

[kungfuslut]

I think everyone is arguing about the wrong thing, were to swept up if this is karate influence...what we should be asking is wtf does this have to do with bagua?

[FlowingZen]

Read the description to the right.

[ruphia]

I'm a student animator, and one of my pet projects is a figure engaged in martial arts practice. While I wouldn't go so far as to directly copy the movements you show here, I guarantee you that this video is going to be a valuable reference for me. The movement is very clear and easy to follow. Thanks for posting!

[cloud0123]

I agree. A bit of karate flavor in the way he flows. I was going to say hung gar, but hung gar flows differently to. Think he means the speed of your form.

Very well done form. personally I would do it with more springiness from the hips/waist, and add some fajing to my strikes. But perhaps this is the way the form is taught, so it's really whatever.

[swordnerd108]

Sorry, but how would there be any flavor of karate in this from? Karate was derived from when Japan took over a defeated country. Shaolin Kung Fu was there ages before Karate was ever formed, so it anything Karate could only contain Shaolin flavors. Just saying.

[Lremediez]

I can see where you say there is a bit of karate flavor to it. People get emotion when you compare chinese forms to japanese, but this form travel farther southeast where styles are choppy and less fluid like. As a result, this leads to the step-like kata you see here. This hardly similar to the Wudang Bagua Zhang forms I see inferred in comments below and has no circular movements.

[getsome216]

why does everybody have to put there two cents in if they see something they would do different? chances are they suck cuz its not like i ever heard of them. anyways, very nice form

[KirkpatrickMacmillan]

Wonderful.

[JanusDefune]

I like it! I see you withhold your snap on punches, etc.- for drilling penetration. Certainly this is not performance-based.. You do practice straight through (ie, not frame-by-frame) sometimes right?

You're tough. Much respect.

[xianwuxing]

Sorry I did not read the entire discription of your video before asking about it's orgin. Thanks I found my answer.

[gohansan5001]

hmmmmmmmmm i have seen thid stile before

i do not remember where becuse my master

was teaching me something like this before but he called it the dragon fist

[cat1mo]

Precisely! ;)

[silatyogi]

Great! Looks like Silat

[ElGranBandido]

impresive! respect

[snowcelt]

Lovely fluid movements. I can understand making moves based on real animals like tiger, snake, mantis etc. But how did the chinese come up with dragon moves? It's not as if you can observe a dragon like you can the others...Just a silly question, I always wondered. No disrespect intended.

[guitarninja83]

I would interpret the dragon as the harmonizing of all the animal methods. Just an idea.

[FlowingZen]

Chinese culture is steeped with mythology, including that of the Dragon. Past masters didn't just observe animals and copy them. Rather, they copied the spirit or essence of the animal. In Chinese mythology, the spirit of the dragon is majestic and powerful. Past masters used this as inspiration for their martial arts.

[FlowingZen]

I should also mention that some high-level masters feel that the Dragon is not just a myth or an archetype, but rather a being from another realm which sometimes manifests in ours.

[shaolinstudent49]

it wold look like a karate form with out fluidity. so try to put a ti chi like fluidity to it and it would be very good! nice video by the way!

[swordnerd108]

Wow, I really like the look of this set ^_^. Do you plan to put up an videos of, and I'm sorry but I forgot the exact name soon after you told me once, the Dragon Bagua Set that you said you took up after 5 Animals?

[FlowingZen]

You're looking at it. :)

[swordnerd108]

Ohhhh. Rock on!

[cat1mo]

Quite different to most other pakua styles - no walking the circle?

[FlowingZen]

Thanks for the comment. Please read the description to the right under "About This Video". As it says there, this is a traditional Shaolin Kung Fu set, and is unrelated to the martial art called Bagua Zhang (Pakua Chang)

[cat1mo]

Sorry, did it again - forgot to read the description.

[Southernfriedmantis]

wow very beautiful set.I look forward to seeing stage 2 and 3,,,Please email me when you put it up

[calibansfury]

This may be my favorite kung fu form I've seen, probably because he most has the fighting feel that most Shotokan kata have. It's very clear what you're doing on each technique, the bunkai (application) of the technique being obvious (though I'm sure, like all good forms, there's a vast number of unobvious treasures as well). Great stuff.

[FlowingZen]

Thank you for the kind words.

[magellan500]

Very nice comment, I agree with what you said.

[magellan500]

Wow, great job. Many thanks for posting this video on this rare form.

[FlowingZen]

Thank you for the kind words. My teacher is the one who deserves the thanks.

[shinobi294]

I thought the footwork was very, very good. I would have expected a Shaolin set to be performed faster, but this speed shows the detail and focus.

[FlowingZen]

Thank you for the kind words. In our school, we train forms in the following stages: 1) form; 2) flow; 3) force. This video shows stage one. Actually, at the time, I had only learned the set a few months prior. I hope to have a new video soon which will show stages 2 and 3.

[shinobi294]

I like that order of learning. My personal philosophy in terms of learning new forms/sets is that precision and technique come first, then power, and speed last.

[browntortoise]

because its secret does not mean its effective.

[FlowingZen]

Very true.

[browntortoise]

kind response ! thanx

[vince84231]

"Secret styles" make me doubtful ... As do totally unknown Grandmasters that escaped from "burning temple" ... but we never know.

Strange anyway

[FlowingZen]

Thanks for the comment. I'm glad people actually read my descriptions! Eighty years ago, a skeptic might have said something similar to Wong Fei Hong. All styles were secretive once. Many well-known lineages trace back to monks or nuns who escaped from the Southern Shaolin Temple. My teacher's style was simply kept secret longer than other well-known styles.

[FlowingZen]

The fact that I am allowed to publicly share this set is a good example of a former secret. Just two years ago, most of my teacher's senior disciples had never seen this set. Now it's on YouTube! When I first learned from my teacher, many sets were kept secret. Today, he openly shares his secrets because he is committed to preserving traditional Shaolin Kung Fu.

[vince84231]

Maybe also because, all Chinese styles are based on the same gesture. Nothing is really really "new".

Thanx for your answer anyway

[shaolinwn]

"Hi sihing Anthony,thanks for sharing : )"

[tctrumbo]

At first I was confused, it doesn't resemble the Fu Style Bagua I'm studying at all, but it's not a bad set. I like the multitude of applications.

[FlowingZen]

Thank you for the comment. Please read the description to the right. This set is not related to Baguazhang. It is a traditional Shaolin Kung Fu set.

[GuiLongUmar]

Oh there is power I see it, just not coilng power. Like you would see in other bagua or neijia.

[FlowingZen]

Thank you for the comments. As I explained in the description, this set is not related to the martial art Baguazhang. To me, "coiling" means that the chi spirals up the legs, through the waist, and out the arms. This is something I can feel, and is not just an intellectual description.

[GuiLongUmar]

very nice but I was wondering why htere did not seem to be more core power generation/coiling ?

[FlowingZen]

Thanks for the kind words. I'm not sure what you mean regarding power generation. In my school, power comes from dantian and through the "Five Gates": Dantian, shoulder, elbow, wrist, hand. Even when I do this set slowly, I can feel the energy going through the five gates.