A claim of hypocricy has agrumentative relevance when the argument involves the character of said person, AND/OR when that person has some sort of social importance in the topic they're being critisized for?
For example: A politician advocates for energy conservation, yet he uses much more energy from power plants foe his house. Therefore that politician's argument for energy conservation is weak?
Wait wait. Hypocricy applies as a valid argument point when the PERSON is the subject of argument (ex. their integrity), and/or about the consistency of the views they hold. It has nothing to do with energy conservation (previous example). It is all a diminishing of character, not the topic they're arguing.
My bad. I think I got it now.
Pretty much the value of an argument is irrelevant of the deliverer. That makes sense.
The word fallacy actually has multiple meanings. Logicians who discuss logical fallacies often like to use the word only to refer to bad or invalid reasoning. However, according to dictionaries, a false conclusion arrived at through invalid reasoning can also be called a fallacy. A dictionary may have definitions for fallacy like
deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness and
the tendency to mislead.
So in common usage, it can be bad logic, a bad conclusion, or deceptiveness.
They discuss 'fallacies of logic' and "logical fallacy" is a misnomer. Don't argue it's not a misnomer - you'll probably be tempted to justify the misnomer on the grounds you've heard it used by many people, you must understand why misnomers exist is because so many people use them. So the fact that you've heard "logical fallacy" used often is proof it's really a misnomer.
Moreover, 'logical fallacy' implies an absurd meaning!
Sounds like my problem. The people around me seem to believe that logical fallacies such as tu quoque, ad hominem, appeal to popularity, etc. are logically valid arguments. When I point out their fallacious reasoning, they seem to either resort to more logical fallacies, grow even more frustrated, change the subject, or ignore me entirely (or a combination of those).
I think the problem is both a lack of knowledge and that many people let their anger control them.
@trulywillaway "...to believe that logical fallacies such as..."
So you know, "logical fallacy" is a misnomer. Don't argue it's not a misnomer - you'll probably be tempted to justify the misnomer on the grounds you've heard it used by many people, you must understand why misnomers exist is because so many people use them. So the fact that you've heard "logical fallacy" used often is proof it's really a misnomer.
Moreover, 'logical fallacy' has absurd meaning! Adjective+Verb
Let me say that I very much enjoy your videos and that they are very educating. I think more people should know about fallacies. Once you know a couple and learn to identify them, discussions go much nicer and get to the point more quickly.
"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." - John 8:7
@NutsandGuts You said the Bible "is a fallacy" and I asked you to defend that claim. Obviously that is something you atheists don't understand very well.
You just go ahead and make a bunch of retarded claims hoping to look smart.
So wait the end tripped me slightly.
A claim of hypocricy has agrumentative relevance when the argument involves the character of said person, AND/OR when that person has some sort of social importance in the topic they're being critisized for?
For example: A politician advocates for energy conservation, yet he uses much more energy from power plants foe his house. Therefore that politician's argument for energy conservation is weak?
vjm3 1 month ago
@vjm3:
Wait wait. Hypocricy applies as a valid argument point when the PERSON is the subject of argument (ex. their integrity), and/or about the consistency of the views they hold. It has nothing to do with energy conservation (previous example). It is all a diminishing of character, not the topic they're arguing.
My bad. I think I got it now.
Pretty much the value of an argument is irrelevant of the deliverer. That makes sense.
vjm3 1 month ago
Fallacy is a noun!
ambrosiathe1 1 month ago
extreme exampe:
Bob says killing is wrong
Bob killed someone
Bob is a hypocrite
therefore killing is okay
Cookiecutter87 1 month ago 6
Really good videos, subscribed, hope you can keep them up in this format.
93cian 2 months ago
?So the "NO U" fallacy?
thatguywhodoesvidoes 2 months ago
subscribed!
HorrorNetwork 2 months ago in playlist Fallacies
Very glad I found these concise videos. Thank you.
ThisPoisonTree 3 months ago
The word fallacy actually has multiple meanings. Logicians who discuss logical fallacies often like to use the word only to refer to bad or invalid reasoning. However, according to dictionaries, a false conclusion arrived at through invalid reasoning can also be called a fallacy. A dictionary may have definitions for fallacy like
deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness and
the tendency to mislead.
So in common usage, it can be bad logic, a bad conclusion, or deceptiveness.
tifforo1 7 months ago
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@tifforo1 "Logicians who discuss logical fallacies..."
They discuss 'fallacies of logic' and "logical fallacy" is a misnomer. Don't argue it's not a misnomer - you'll probably be tempted to justify the misnomer on the grounds you've heard it used by many people, you must understand why misnomers exist is because so many people use them. So the fact that you've heard "logical fallacy" used often is proof it's really a misnomer.
Moreover, 'logical fallacy' implies an absurd meaning!
DOHC2L 1 month ago
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flinagin 8 months ago
@flinagin
Sounds like my problem. The people around me seem to believe that logical fallacies such as tu quoque, ad hominem, appeal to popularity, etc. are logically valid arguments. When I point out their fallacious reasoning, they seem to either resort to more logical fallacies, grow even more frustrated, change the subject, or ignore me entirely (or a combination of those).
I think the problem is both a lack of knowledge and that many people let their anger control them.
trulywillaway 2 months ago
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@trulywillaway "...to believe that logical fallacies such as..."
So you know, "logical fallacy" is a misnomer. Don't argue it's not a misnomer - you'll probably be tempted to justify the misnomer on the grounds you've heard it used by many people, you must understand why misnomers exist is because so many people use them. So the fact that you've heard "logical fallacy" used often is proof it's really a misnomer.
Moreover, 'logical fallacy' has absurd meaning! Adjective+Verb
DOHC2L 1 month ago
Let me say that I very much enjoy your videos and that they are very educating. I think more people should know about fallacies. Once you know a couple and learn to identify them, discussions go much nicer and get to the point more quickly.
Shakleton42 10 months ago
Your videos are great. Subscribed.
MckyMseNTarotCrds 11 months ago
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Is this a To Quoque fallacy ?
"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." - John 8:7
menonfire12 1 year ago
@menonfire12 The whole Bible is a big fallacy.
NutsandGuts 1 year ago
@NutsandGuts Why?
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 I won't answer a 3 letter question.
NutsandGuts 11 months ago
@NutsandGuts You said the Bible "is a fallacy" and I asked you to defend that claim. Obviously that is something you atheists don't understand very well.
You just go ahead and make a bunch of retarded claims hoping to look smart.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Yeah, whatever, you win... Happy? Get a life...
NutsandGuts 11 months ago
@NutsandGuts What a surprise. Atheists make a stupid claim and they can't defend it. You should seriously grow up AND get a life.
Goodbye, moron.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 I think your generalising is fallacious. NutsandGuts is not the embodiment of an ideology.
ISISbandLive 8 months ago
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iareace 10 months ago
@iareace It's called inductive reasoning.
A strawman fallacy is when you exaggerate or distort another person's position. Better get educated on such claims before making them.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
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iareace 10 months ago
@iareace Nothing but a series of ad-hominem attacks in your message.
I can see who the "moron" is now :)
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
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tifforo1 7 months ago
@NutsandGuts Why is the "whole Bible a big fallacy"?
You made the claim, now have the balls or grow a pair to defend it.
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
Good vids man......very well put together!
100PercentGreen 2 years ago 11
@100PercentGreen Thanks! I appreciate it.
PhilosophyFreak 1 year ago