I'm usually reluctant to watch live performances of studio tracks that I love... but, MY GOD, Joni Mitchell has so much female power all wrapped up in artistic excellence and beautiful poetic creativity.
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Dammit that lineup cooked. Too bad they only were together for one tour but all were such virtuosos with many projects of their own. Discovered the album in 81 and loved it ever since.
Well the fashion is diabolical. But the music is godly. My favourite Joni song, in an amazing arrangement, with fantastic musicians. I'm so angry it's not included in my version of Shadows & Light....grrrr.
BC was left off the original because they tried getting the whole thing on to one disc and couldn't quite manage it. They should have dropped that hideous title track instead! The fashion is indeed lamentable - she looks like a teacher at a PTA cheese and wine evening.
This group was so legendary. Too bad there is nothing like this today in the pop world. You only see this type of amazing talent in the Jazz world. All of the elements are here minus the 2 and 4 swing.
Es una linea de bajo eléctrico que da mucho para aprender, abrió en mi una percepción muy amplia de como acompañar adornando pero sin estorbar. Jaco. You will always be around.
am sure that if Joni would be bothered to put a band together to tour it would be of the same high standard - not similar, because you cant replace any of these stellar musicians- but just as good.... suggestions? well put Brian Blade on drums, Joshua Redman on sax, John Scofield on guitar, Chris McBride on bass plus Herbie on piano and hey presto
second best concert after MTV unplugged ALejandro Sanz...... just kidding There are many good concerts so I dont have a best concert list, but this is one of the best. you cant compare great concerts just like that. there's Allan holdsworth at Yoshi's, I like chick corea live, and herbie hancock AVO SESSIONS.... there are tons, It would be a waste writing them all out, but i want to im a jazz fusion fanatic.....
Il a créer la bass fretless, plusieurs technique et une composition hors pair...
Un génie qui à été poignardé par le patron d'un bar dans lequel il voulais allé boire pour oublié son divorce, il n'avais pas idée de qui il était. c'est vrai qu'à la fin il passait pour un clodo !
Well, of course it has to do with a lot more than just the bass itself. How hard you pluck it, where you pluck it (pluck it at the neckpickup and it will never have that as you call it, ´bite-sound´), what amp you use, the soundmixingguy (don´t know the english word), the stage, the type and age of the strings... All those things matter to your sound. And don´t forget of course, Jaco was a 100% genius, and his sound was also a result of that.
It is interesting to disvover the cultural conservatism in some of the postings. Right now it is a trend and probably an antithesis to the postmodern view of "reality":-). Joni? Well not entirely my cup of tea. Complex? Yes. Good musicians? The best. Memorable? Maybe not.
Also your argument that their music isn't valid because of what they dress is just plain laughable and pathetic. Just look at Mahler. What is up with that hair? He needs to comb that down immediately, lest his music become irrelevant as a result of his physical appearance.
Joseph II, upon hearing The Marriage of Figaro, said, "too many notes, Mozart." Hmmm...
This portion of your comment shows the convenient caricature of your perception. I never said that poor fashion has an effect on music. I said it was an outward symptom of a poor aesthetic sense. Anyone who would submit to wearing one of these outfits isn't very likely to have a very evolved sense of beauty. Learn not to caricature points.
And some of Brecker's music is appealing at a simple level. Listen to "Tumbleweed" from his latest album (which, by the way, he recorded while bed-ridden with leukaemia and only a few months away from dying - pretty fucking incredible). You say he won't be remembered like The Beatles, and certainly he won't get that amount of recognition (no jazz musicians will apart from Miles and Duke) but he was an amazing innovator on the sax and it will be a very long time before jazz musicians forget him.
Why do you think the public will only remember Duke and Miles and a few others? Because jazz musicians tend to be myopically wrapped up in the machine of their instrument, demonstrating its limits and oblivious to the aesthetic result of the demonstration.
You discredit Brecker because you can't "hum his tunes" and then you claim to be a fan of Ligeti? Wow. Astonishing contradiction anyone? Anybody who dismisses music on the basis that you can't "hum the tune" is not really worth paying attention to on any matter concerning musical taste.
And yes, The Beatles were fucking amazing. No argument from me there.
I never said hummability was the standard, but without it, you better have one hell of a tone poem. This music, and you're welcome to your "intense exprience" with it is to me busy without purpose or depth. That's the differerence. Mozart goes somewhere worth traveling to with his many notes. They do not. "I'm on a train and a want a refund". What's bugging you is that I'm not quite the fool you want me to me. I hope you can hear the difference between the intensity level of Ligeti and this.
The basic flaw in cobalt's argument is that he doesn't find this song emotionally impacting, and therefore thinks no one else does.
I find this song incredibly emotionally impacting.
Try to convince me that I don't.
Go on.
Why don't you go ahead and summon up all your arguments to convince me, that, contrary to what I thought, I do NOT actually have a powerful emotional reaction to this song.
Please dictate to me what I should feel and to what stimulus I should respond.
The basic flaw in your argument is this: look how much energy you put into debating something that is "purely subjective". You don't seem secure in that notion afterall. Why spend any energy on it whatsoever? Because you know you're wrong and it's disturbing your universe. Read below and note the caricature of my arguments as you represent them. More later.
Yes, i agree that taste is relative. i do how ever agree that a music that has a larger chord palette is likely to emotionally relay a more complete impression. but sometimes the empty spaces left between the notes are just as important. more isn' t always better.
Yes, but taste isn't purely relative, otherwise all music is equal, and we know better than that. Beethoven's Fur Elise is better than anything Yanni has written, which is a fact beyond rational provability. Without these mystical "facts" culture ceases to exist. Why do you think Che Guevara said "when I hear the word culture I get out my pistol". Because for him(matriarchal warrior) the whole of life is feeding and housing bodies. Life exists in the upper realms of intangible expression.
you know nothing. we're all musicians. music is all equal. even if you prove me wrong you've wasted so much energy on arguing about music (pastime, superfluous) which proves you to know nothing.
Bear in mind that these are hardboiled jazz musicians you're dealing with here. Jamming and generally having a good time on stage. And pretty much killing it at the same time :) Comparing this to e.g. The Beatles is totally pointless.
No it isn't pointless, because the emotional state arrived at by these (in your imagination) important musicians is tepid and specific to a particular crowd of like minded people. While the Beatles' emotional states are transcendent and speak to all ages, genders, generations, and ethnic groups. You lose, but you won't be big enough to admit it.
How on earth could you prove that? (Not that I care that much.) It's like saying Disney movies "speak to all ages, genders, generations, and ethnic groups" as opposed to Woody Allen films because "the emotional state arrived at by this (in your imagination) important film director is tepid and specific to a particular crowd of like minded people".
It is a slippery slope, but Disney did have universal genius. Remember, he's dead. His inheritors are peddling mostly crap. The masses can be peddled crap during one era, but not over generations. Jungle book will continue over many generations. So will Shakespeare and the Beatles and Miles Davis and Duke Ellington and Debussy. But this may sustain the interest of the next generation's music students, but it will soon vanish utterly. Look at the outfits. What are they, caddies? Bad taste IS.
Come on, now you started talking about their appearance? Who gives a flying f***? You had no case to begin with, "but you won't be big enough to admit it".
No, their outfits are relevant to aesthetics. I ask myself, would Debussy appear in one of these caddy outfits, EVER? No. Anymore than he would create such tedious music. The song isn't as bad as the tacked on instrumentation. And she just keeps strumming innanely the whole time. You could take any song and play world war III behind it and I would say the same thing. Miles Davis talked about space in music. These guys need him at the helm and something interesting might happen.
If you _listen_ to this track; what has the musicians' outlook got to do with it? I'm talking about the _music_ whereas you're talking about --- I haven't got a clue anymore --- some kind of an aesthetic whole?
And basically they just use too many notes for your taste. I'm through with this.
Okay, I understand your frustration. I'm not insulting your intelligence for appreciating this music. It has an intricacy that a musician's ear can find much to be entertained by. There's a book called A Whole New Mind that talks about the difference between the left and right halves of the brain. Engineers for example, tend to mostly use the left. Aesthetic form is a right brain thing. Even though the form may have many components to absorb(LB) taken as an emotional world(RB) it's unrewarding.
Judging an artist purely by aesthetic will only lead to biased arguements. Like I said, before aesthetic differs with every individual. Let's say you listen to Prince and Elton John, whereas I listen to Death, Possessed, and Morbid Angel (look 'em up if you don't know 'em). We would be argueing for hours and hours about who was better without coming to a single conclusion.
You also talk about memorability, well almost every pop song in the last century is completley forgotton, whereas most Extreme Metal songs from back then are still enjoyed by adamant fans of today's generation.
Your arguements can either only stop at a dead end or just go full circle.
Every pop songs of the last century is completely forgotten? Sorry, that's inaccurate. The Beatle's, a sixties group, still outsold many current pop artists with the release of One just a couple of years ago. Gershwin, Berlin, Cole Porter. Those are constellations in sky worldwide. Those bands you mentioned. Ask yourself how wide an emotional frequency they cover, and how is their sense of architecture. Architecture lasts--the Notre Dame cathedral, the Eiffel Tower. Dazed and Confused is better.
The Beatle's are ONE band! Think of the hundreds of others who were the bestselling of their day that are virtually unkown in ours! Like the ones you've mentioned: Gershwin, Berlin, and Cole Porter. I'm 17 -- Never heard of them EVER!!
And the bands I mentioned hold a VAST emotional frequency! I know because I've been rocking out to Extreme Metal long before I've been listening to these kind of masterpeices.
The fact that you aren't familiar is not related to the fact that these songs are being performed and listened to all over the world as you read this. You're very young remember. You seem to be weighing significance by youth culture standards. My take on it is that your generation can't really come up to the bar with anything musical. But I'll listen to those bands you mentioned. You check out Beau Soir by Debussy(he was 16) and tell me what you think. Only timeless form matters to me.
I'll look up Debussy, but let me ask how many people, save for hardcore Classical fans, remember with Debussy? That fact that I can't remember is relevent because while I'm several decades younger than the Beatles but you are an entire century younger than Debussy!
Let me also say that what these guys in this vid are doing aren't that different from Classical artists; they are just utilizing a different aesthetic.
Utterly wrong. We could explore your psychological motives for holding to that, but let's not. My "little world', eh? I respect the composers you named as having made Universal Timeless contributions. A valid work of art is an architecture that houses myriad responses, just as an individual may house a wide palette(My father's house has many mansions). Is Dukas' music darker than Debussy? Here's my list: Miles Davis sixties quintet, Bob Marley, Bartok, Everly Brothers, Rimsky Korsakov, Legeti.
I have no psychological motives: it's plain FACT!! Otherwise, why would there be adamant followers for bands like Acid Bath? Or more so yet, something like Noise music?? If you look up Noise artists like Merzbow, there's no technicality OR emotion (depending on how you see it ofcourse) but their respective fan base LOVES it!
One Noise artist once said: "If noise is a series of unsettling sounds then Pop music is noise to me!"
Open up your narrowed mind you self-important jackass!!
Hey, my comment about relativism I thought I was directing to you. First of all. Can you just calm down? We're only having a debate. You keep citing democracy to bolster your arguments. That holds zero weight. The masses no more determine aesthetic form than they do physical law. A retarded person could say "it's gets dark at night" while others caught in a social hypnosis pretended otherwise. It would still be night. Aesthetic law IS. Is it mere opinion that you love your mother? Or fact?
I was well aware of Debussy when I was 17. And I'm actually not into Classical music at all (save for e.g. Debussy and Satie). I think I heard "Clair de Lune" from a TV commercial and had to find out who had written that amazing piece of music.
Well we come from different words. If I heard Debussy on TV I probabley wouldn't care for it. The kind of Classical music I'm into is dark, wild, and epic like Dukas, Wagner, and Mussorgsky. I guess that's just the metalhead in me. :)
I took a look at your suggestion: didn't really move me that much. I prefer more dark and epic Classical music like Wagner, Dukas, or Mussorgsky. That's MY aesthetic that you probabley don't share.
I think different aesthetics can happily co-exist within an individual. E.g. I enjoy pretty equally Joni Mitchell, Throbbing Gristle, Napalm Death, Miles Davis, Debussy, Whitehouse, Gerogerigegege, The Carpenters, Masonna, Darkthrone, The Dead Kennedys, SPK, John Cage, even some songs by cobaltjones' fetish... Err, favourite The Beatles.
We come from the same world but maybe we head for different directions...
I don't doubt the existence of eclectics. But everyone, even some of the eclectics, have their preferences.
That's what I'm trying to convince cobaltjones'. Apparently, in his own little world, everyone emotionally responds to the same things; which is complete B.S.! Music is not absolute and musical beauty is in the eye (or I suppose, ear) of the beholder.
We mustn't apply jackshit! If you don't like what your hearing, don't listen to it and then start bitching to complete strangers with pseudo-intellectual drivel! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!
Whereas your one cliche over and over again is supposed to be true intellectuality? It's interesting to note that you, the alleged "objective" one, are far more emotional in this discussion than me. Wonder why that is? Don't you "respect" my right to disagree? When a debater descends into name calling, he has run out of ideas. Hello in theretheretheretherelol.
Opposites are true in life. Aesthetics are both subjective(the many interpretations) and objective Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, Fur Elise. You're merely spewing mommy culture apollogia without realizing it. Women peddle that relativistic shit to dethrone masculine achievement. With your delusion, nothing was ever achieved. Therefore the mediocre are safe from accountability. And death metal is one dimensional child's music; you're being tough for the ladies, by which means they control your ass.
Your descending into sexism and ad hominem analogies (percieving darkness and loving one's mother has nothing to do with experiencing art).
Artists can be the best they can for their respective genres; their aesthetics. But your comparing a Jazz band to pop and classical which makes you completely bias!
And Death Metal isn't one dimensional! Look up "The Day You Died" by Arch Enemy and "Crystal Mountain" by Death (be sure to find the lyrics too).
Another thing. You call a genre "one dimensonal" and that only "timless form" matters to you. Well, folk songs and nusery rhymes are the most timeless music of all and most of them a VERY one dimensional. There's a bit of paradox in your arguement for ya!
I don't accept that folks songs are necessarily one dimensional. I'm just saying your notion that everyone's perception of art and music is equal is simply wrong. Beethoven's opinion on music is obviously superior to Britney Spears', as judged by their musical choices. You need to be a little more honest with yourself. Do you really imagine that Yanni's orchestral music is the equal of Beethoven's? Don't lie just to try to win an argument. Sometimes a victory makes you smaller.
Just another POV: John Cage treated all music as merely sounds. As sounds they are totally stripped of "emotion" or "aesthetics" as we know them. And when you think about it, you'll see that he was right. Music IS just sounds. For Cage it was more fascinating to listen to traffic than Beethoven or Mozart. The sound of traffic is unpredictable, constantly fluctuating.
You can enjoy music (sounds) in various ways. Take a walk in the woods or put on some Ludwig. Maybe do these at the same time?
The reason I bring up your mother is not as an insult. It's a fact that you love her, I presume; a fact no less real than the laws of physics, but that cannot be proven through logic. My overall point is that there is no civilization without mystical truths that are beyond rational proof. Buddha asks "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" not for the answer, but to strangle the rational faculty, and thus open the third eye of the novitiate.
I'm not saying that everyone's perception of art is equal, I'm saying that everyone's perception of art is D I F F E R E N T. Beethoven is superior to Spears in many ways, but aesthetic tastes are stupid to come into question.
Loving one's mother is NOT a proper analogy! It's not the same as having taste music. A proper analogy is that having taste music is like having taste in food; "I prefer meat, you prefer vegetables" THAT'S the same as having taste in music! You are so one-sided!
Yes the mother analogy holds, because you haven't understood it. Is there a God? Is there such a thing as timeless universal art? All of these things share the same battlefield of mystical truths beyond the tiny realm of logic. Without them we have a mommy culture, where life is about putting endless bodies on the earth who can't think or read, never discuss ideas, and can't perceive poetry. Tolstoy said "poetry without mysticism is prose, religion without mysticism is superstition." Tell me why
You're contradicting yourself and violating your feminine loyalty to relativism. If everyone's perception isn't equal, then you lose the entire argument. Aesthetics are transrational(neither smart nor stupid). I'm only discussing the psychological defenses that prevent our perceiving them. Society is a collective psychological defense against timeless art. Women are collective and tend to deny the timeless forms of male achievement. This isn't sexist it's just an accurate observation.
Jesus Christ! I just stopped even listening to you. Now your just babbling nonsense. I'm ending this conversation here. Have fun in crazy land, where you can spout your philosophical nonsense all you want. I'll be here, actually listening to music.
The Beatles were fine musicians and wrote timeless songs. There's no doubt. But they never pushed the boundaries of their instruments and music like what you're listening to in this video.
And if you're talking about the musicians in the video in our "imagination" as being important. You're obviously not a musician.
Actually I am a musician, and it isn't necessary to push the limits of an instrument in order to express emotional depth. Ravi Shankar, upon hearing Mahler, said, "that's baby music." Wrong Ravi, because your noodling doesn't get anywhere near the emotional intensity of Kindertotenlieder," and it never will.
god that part at 1:44 is impossible to take all at once.. you want to go back and see jaco, pat and joni just grooving... while trying to hear breckers amazing solo! wow!
I love starting shit with left brain listeners who have no emotional sense of what's in front of them. "Listen to all of those notes man!" So what? Sounds like a cheap police television theme and literary lyrics suck gangrenous donkey bags.
sorry, my mistake, crows don't kill... but this one still comes down and scavenges brutally, even if I prefer the album version due to the absence of the sax. I like Brecker (I think) on other things I heard more though.
Don't get me wrong, I think Joni is great...I just can't imagine her ordering guys like Brecker, Jaco, or Metheny around. Brecker especially was on a completely different level.
how is he on a different level? in his ability to move his hands very quickly and breathe properly, maybe, but at the end of the day we judge music by its effect on us and if someone doesn't feel Brecker's playing was compatible with the emotion Joni put into a stunning song then hes not above criticism. personally I think punk rock had a good influence in allowing the Black Crow songs of other artists in years after this performance not to get weighed down, with more notes than needed to kill..
You're confusing the world of creative vision with technical mastery. No one is ever going to be humming Brecker's tunes. What tunes? He and the rest of these guys are grossly inferior to the Beatles as well, despite the Beatles' technical limitations. Ask of all music: what is the aesthetic value? Wynton Marsalis in this context is mediocre, even while playing his ass off. Again, too many sixteenth notes. Busyness that doesn't serve creative mastery. Joni's jazz marriage should've been anulled.
You must be the kind of guy who supports Bob Dylan or Neil Young. Some people think their should only be enough music to push lyrics forward. "Take a Walk" by Michael Brecker is "hummable" (not that that even matters). If you can handle Wynton Marsalis, a REAL trumpet player like Woody Shaw, Freddie Hubbard, or Fats Navarro would give you a stroke! Singers and lyrics generally get in the way, but Joni, Steely Dan and Gino Vanelli are artistic enough to make it worthwhile.
I think the only modern trumpet player that matters is Miles Davis, particularly in the mid sixties quintet with Tony Williams and Wayne shorter. They were transmuting simple tunes into masterful tone poems. For me, that group is the summit of western civilization for small jazz combos. Everyone else is so far beneath them creatively. Only Duke Ellington could've equaled it, had he chosen to focus on composing for and performing with a quintet. It's a right brain thing to grasp, not left.
No I don't like Rolling Stone. It misplaces politics and literature onto music. I'm analyzing the aesthetic form, which is the only really relevant conversation to have about music. In this case, it's busy in a way which has nothing to do with the song.
Aesthetic value is stupid to argue about because it's too subjective -- i.e., it's in the eye of the beholder.
For example, you mentioned The Beatles earlier; well aesthetically, I hate most Beatles songs as much as I hate the skill limitations to them. To me they're just cheeky pop music bullshit with the most generic lyrics ever.
I would prefer THIS because not only is it more skillful but it's beautiful and each instrument has it's own terrific "hook" that harmonizes with the rest.
Wrong, aesthetic value is not purely subjective. You're a left brain listener, who irrelevantly isolates elements instead of taking in the whole form. If aesthetics was purely subjective, would you have been a victim of the good looking kids in your school? Further, you don't even believe that aesthetics are purely subjective. Let's take it to its logical end: Yanni's music is equal to Beethoven's? Now who's being stupid? But for mere opinion, Yanni is as good as Beethoven. Ridiculous. Game over
Let's also take this exampe: Death Metal. I love death metal with growling, screaming vocals, and it's heavy and loud guitar playing. That's MY aesthetic, that's beauty to me but not to everyone. And I respect that.
That's what you need to learn is RESPECT in other people's tastes! If you can't do that then your better off wallowing in your own hole of self-importance, you fucking Music Nazi! SEIG HEIL!
I haven't ever listened to Yanni but I'm sure I'd think so too. But only because he's not to my taste. Music is not absolute and everyone has their own thing.
Amazing band. Never really liked Michael's sound though. Reminds me too much of that mainstream generic sax sound you hear at the beginning of some afternoon soaps.
haha interesting. i think he is a sick player, dont forget he came up through steely dan, which i guess sort of explains that, but he is a really innovative and important jazz musician in my book
just wanna say this particular version is AMAZING. my comment below was meant to be about the version from a later tour where I think the arrangement lost its force, sorry.
my fav song of all time. it's horrifically underrated among Joni's work, yet musicians like it, so Krall to R. Thompson have all lovingly butchered it. even Joni does not seem to get her song's bleak simplicities-the killer riff-and live she tries to make it into a more complicated jam with extra solos. Jaco's amazing. But no.. the crow is a noise monster, abrasive, claustrophobic, plastered, stuck in the groove, pure and fucked as hell. This is a better Radiohead song than they will ever do.
Consider the very thin emotional spectrum produced by this performance. It's frantic. No sadness, no sex, no ether. The lyrics immediately jar against the music in a way that is fingernails on a chalk board "Maggots, tutti fruiti?" It's a complex tangle for the left brain to chew on, but aesthetically a poor meal.
It seems to me that this song is conveying a dimension of the emotional spectrum that you are either unaware of, or neglecting. Some people's internal states are frantically labile and disorganized. The images of decay and a portentous bird juxtaposed with frenetic instrumentation convey this to me. Not all songs need reluctant nuance to express sadness. The emotional experience of the listener is the best purveyor of this. Or maybe it's just me...
Can I swear here ?......f*cking unbelievable !!!...Joni is fantastic - Jaco is/was the the most amazing bass player and Methaney/Brecker? ...comon is this not the greatest line up ever !!!!
If you liked that bassist, you should check out an album called "Bright Size Life" by Pat Metheny. It's Pat's first album (he's only 19 years old) and he plays with Jaco Pastorious, the bassist on this video.
It's a really beautiful album with great guitar and very easy to listen to.
I'm usually reluctant to watch live performances of studio tracks that I love... but, MY GOD, Joni Mitchell has so much female power all wrapped up in artistic excellence and beautiful poetic creativity.
She. Drives. Me. Crazy.
--F Brep
FarnhazenBrep 1 month ago
Michael fucking Brecker... 'nuff said.
RipplingOphelia 1 month ago
Michael was a skinny ol thing back then huh?! LOL I don't think he ever got much heavier than that. LOL
tall32guy 2 months ago
wow.....................
hoytbasses 4 months ago
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muddack 5 months ago
Amazing to see how Don Alias breaks on of his drumsticks, right at the end, and still manages to get a new one and finish the song perfectly!
Sandokanbass 2 years ago
Nice to see a rare performance of Don Alias on a drum kit rather than hand drums.
ClemenzaKimble 2 years ago
Pat is great !
fasteddy60 2 years ago
Jaco is the man!!!
learningtofry 2 years ago
she is fantastic. love video
love70000 2 years ago 2
what an amazing variety of musicians
tgeer123 2 years ago 2
Who's better? Joni or Sandy Denny?
Skeedaddy91 2 years ago
Who cares who's better...I like them both.
kiwigeo2006 2 years ago
The line up is AMAZING!!!! I wish I had been there! OMG
baadrobot 2 years ago
Dammit that lineup cooked. Too bad they only were together for one tour but all were such virtuosos with many projects of their own. Discovered the album in 81 and loved it ever since.
ikeeptime 2 years ago
wow this is incredible...
ArealWhopper09 2 years ago
Well the fashion is diabolical. But the music is godly. My favourite Joni song, in an amazing arrangement, with fantastic musicians. I'm so angry it's not included in my version of Shadows & Light....grrrr.
evolvedFrom 2 years ago
BC was left off the original because they tried getting the whole thing on to one disc and couldn't quite manage it. They should have dropped that hideous title track instead! The fashion is indeed lamentable - she looks like a teacher at a PTA cheese and wine evening.
fendweller 2 years ago
My favorite band and my all time favorite album!!!! Such a treat to finally watch the video. Thank you for the upload.
KoolRifz 2 years ago
Love the music. I love high waisted camel toes.
Gertrudis67 2 years ago
What year is this?
GiantPandas 2 years ago
@GiantPandas 1979.
tall32guy 2 months ago
Pat Metheny on guitar !!
fasteddy60 2 years ago 5
Who is that guitarplayer with the white pants and the red shirt with the long guitar, longer than the other guitarplayer?
schimmelpenninq 2 years ago
is not a guitar!!! is a bass and that guy is Jaco Pastorius, he was one of the mos amazing bass players ever!!!!!
johannabamo 2 years ago 14
I (we all) could kill you!!! I guess it's a joke?
blepino 2 years ago 2
its jaco pasturius bass genius!!!
tetra1972 2 years ago 2
The MASTER, Jaco Pastorius!
vmneves 2 years ago
that, my friend, is the great, late Jaco Pastorius
Jobbast 2 years ago 2
Wonderful song ty for the post! Did anyone else see Don Alias break his drum stick at 3:35?
GITTZA 2 years ago
This group was so legendary. Too bad there is nothing like this today in the pop world. You only see this type of amazing talent in the Jazz world. All of the elements are here minus the 2 and 4 swing.
neomodernbill 2 years ago 2
OMG!!! NEVER ever grow tired of this..
x3lindzayoox3 2 years ago 3
Brilliant!
charlesh1 2 years ago
Es una linea de bajo eléctrico que da mucho para aprender, abrió en mi una percepción muy amplia de como acompañar adornando pero sin estorbar. Jaco. You will always be around.
hiramgomezb 2 years ago
any band like this one today???
salvoben 2 years ago 6
No way
temporaryname73 2 years ago 3
am sure that if Joni would be bothered to put a band together to tour it would be of the same high standard - not similar, because you cant replace any of these stellar musicians- but just as good.... suggestions? well put Brian Blade on drums, Joshua Redman on sax, John Scofield on guitar, Chris McBride on bass plus Herbie on piano and hey presto
honeybozo 2 years ago 2
look at jaco in those sweats. no one can watch this and say he's a wanker
then00best 2 years ago
he was a total beast. respect.
CH3MIS7RY 2 years ago
haha ,i must admit the belt line was high on the pants but he was one of the best bassist then ,he rocked and jazz to
vaughnsalem 2 years ago
which year was it?
kisyz88 2 years ago
Hi kisy, it was in 1980.
have a nice day.
vanu49 2 years ago
dis band is a dream!!!!
shokodada 2 years ago
imagine having Pat and Jaco backing you...sheesh!
67and68 2 years ago 6
wow. i didn't recognise Brecker with that beard!
BenPowling 2 years ago 2
second best concert after MTV unplugged ALejandro Sanz...... just kidding There are many good concerts so I dont have a best concert list, but this is one of the best. you cant compare great concerts just like that. there's Allan holdsworth at Yoshi's, I like chick corea live, and herbie hancock AVO SESSIONS.... there are tons, It would be a waste writing them all out, but i want to im a jazz fusion fanatic.....
juanbarros88 2 years ago
the dream team!!!!!!
ndongousman 2 years ago
I don't think you could get a better band. My god, Brecker, Methany, Jaco... this is what jam sessions in heaven are going to be like!
jazzkenpo 2 years ago
The bassline that Jaco plays @ the end of of this, what song is that from?
teezyteez 2 years ago
Kuru/ Speak Like a Child
xiz90 2 years ago 2
Thanks a million. It was killin me that I knew that song but I couldn't remember the name of it. LOL, but thanks again.
teezyteez 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this! I saw This tour when i was a little kid.
tigerfirefilms 2 years ago
According to a Jaco biography that I read, the drummer was pounding both the drums and the singer.
hicadencesprint 2 years ago
beautiful music with the best band
WasyMusicPower 2 years ago
Joni is GREAT! She is so honest!
Galacticplane 2 years ago
VIVA JACO, My Favorit musician
Il a créer la bass fretless, plusieurs technique et une composition hors pair...
Un génie qui à été poignardé par le patron d'un bar dans lequel il voulais allé boire pour oublié son divorce, il n'avais pas idée de qui il était. c'est vrai qu'à la fin il passait pour un clodo !
A GENIUS OF BASS
MarcoBurrone 2 years ago 2
man how does jaco make his bass have that bite-sound too it? i love it
ConnorDan08 2 years ago
Welcome to the world of the Fender Jazzbass 8-)
Well, of course it has to do with a lot more than just the bass itself. How hard you pluck it, where you pluck it (pluck it at the neckpickup and it will never have that as you call it, ´bite-sound´), what amp you use, the soundmixingguy (don´t know the english word), the stage, the type and age of the strings... All those things matter to your sound. And don´t forget of course, Jaco was a 100% genius, and his sound was also a result of that.
bassscape 2 years ago 2
Pastorius. Rock God.
cccustard 2 years ago
esaaaaa joni, peazoooooooo de cancion
karlosmadrid1936 2 years ago
god, i LOVE your posts! Best on the net for my cup of tea!
Much thanks!
louiseduvee 2 years ago
An astonishing, beautiful song, dazzled by Pastorius's rhythm. Just my favorite. Surely all people can identify with what she's talking about?
pancakesdelish 2 years ago
MY FAVORITE CONCERT OF ALL TIME!
debmassey 2 years ago
kids--did you like it, or not? This kind of deconstructionst pablum stops art in its trracks.
cawiseguy 2 years ago
Best band ever.
Forestski 2 years ago
is 'provability' even a word?
rainbow0921 2 years ago
she's a goddess
and the band is amazing, hail jaco and pat
rulitopechocho 2 years ago
It is interesting to disvover the cultural conservatism in some of the postings. Right now it is a trend and probably an antithesis to the postmodern view of "reality":-). Joni? Well not entirely my cup of tea. Complex? Yes. Good musicians? The best. Memorable? Maybe not.
pidde24 2 years ago
GREAT
ViolaFromBelgium 2 years ago
Thanks for this video.. Great find especially since the passing of Michael and Jaco... Many Thanks
THEEsaxmaniac 2 years ago
I very much enjoy the melody and mood portrayed in this particular song, I'm sure a lot of other people do as well.
Wh00terman 3 years ago
Also your argument that their music isn't valid because of what they dress is just plain laughable and pathetic. Just look at Mahler. What is up with that hair? He needs to comb that down immediately, lest his music become irrelevant as a result of his physical appearance.
Joseph II, upon hearing The Marriage of Figaro, said, "too many notes, Mozart." Hmmm...
superunknown373 3 years ago
This portion of your comment shows the convenient caricature of your perception. I never said that poor fashion has an effect on music. I said it was an outward symptom of a poor aesthetic sense. Anyone who would submit to wearing one of these outfits isn't very likely to have a very evolved sense of beauty. Learn not to caricature points.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
I'm listening not looking. I dare say submit is a bad choice of words. Jaco always dressed this way.
webstercat 2 years ago
And some of Brecker's music is appealing at a simple level. Listen to "Tumbleweed" from his latest album (which, by the way, he recorded while bed-ridden with leukaemia and only a few months away from dying - pretty fucking incredible). You say he won't be remembered like The Beatles, and certainly he won't get that amount of recognition (no jazz musicians will apart from Miles and Duke) but he was an amazing innovator on the sax and it will be a very long time before jazz musicians forget him.
superunknown373 3 years ago
Why do you think the public will only remember Duke and Miles and a few others? Because jazz musicians tend to be myopically wrapped up in the machine of their instrument, demonstrating its limits and oblivious to the aesthetic result of the demonstration.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
You discredit Brecker because you can't "hum his tunes" and then you claim to be a fan of Ligeti? Wow. Astonishing contradiction anyone? Anybody who dismisses music on the basis that you can't "hum the tune" is not really worth paying attention to on any matter concerning musical taste.
And yes, The Beatles were fucking amazing. No argument from me there.
superunknown373 3 years ago
I never said hummability was the standard, but without it, you better have one hell of a tone poem. This music, and you're welcome to your "intense exprience" with it is to me busy without purpose or depth. That's the differerence. Mozart goes somewhere worth traveling to with his many notes. They do not. "I'm on a train and a want a refund". What's bugging you is that I'm not quite the fool you want me to me. I hope you can hear the difference between the intensity level of Ligeti and this.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
The basic flaw in cobalt's argument is that he doesn't find this song emotionally impacting, and therefore thinks no one else does.
I find this song incredibly emotionally impacting.
Try to convince me that I don't.
Go on.
Why don't you go ahead and summon up all your arguments to convince me, that, contrary to what I thought, I do NOT actually have a powerful emotional reaction to this song.
Please dictate to me what I should feel and to what stimulus I should respond.
superunknown373 3 years ago
The basic flaw in your argument is this: look how much energy you put into debating something that is "purely subjective". You don't seem secure in that notion afterall. Why spend any energy on it whatsoever? Because you know you're wrong and it's disturbing your universe. Read below and note the caricature of my arguments as you represent them. More later.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
Bravo! Total agreement with you! The taste police would negate your appreciation and enjoyment if it doesn't match theirs.
There is no argument. People like what they like!
Geeze who the hell has time for this crap!?
webstercat 2 years ago
one of the best stick drops
jmillzz2 3 years ago
why don't you all just shut up and enjoy the music
SHRINKINGBASSIST 3 years ago 3
We would but Joni's band looks like a bunch of caddies, they play too many notes and don't have mystical truths in them ;) Great suggestion, though.
skeleto 3 years ago
I was referring to something cobaltjones said in his comments. Hence the wink-smiley.
skeleto 2 years ago
Omg what a rhythm section, this girl is way more talented than any of those cheap whores u see in mtv.
japa1990 3 years ago 4
Yes, i agree that taste is relative. i do how ever agree that a music that has a larger chord palette is likely to emotionally relay a more complete impression. but sometimes the empty spaces left between the notes are just as important. more isn' t always better.
80sOGRE 3 years ago
Yes, but taste isn't purely relative, otherwise all music is equal, and we know better than that. Beethoven's Fur Elise is better than anything Yanni has written, which is a fact beyond rational provability. Without these mystical "facts" culture ceases to exist. Why do you think Che Guevara said "when I hear the word culture I get out my pistol". Because for him(matriarchal warrior) the whole of life is feeding and housing bodies. Life exists in the upper realms of intangible expression.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
you know nothing. we're all musicians. music is all equal. even if you prove me wrong you've wasted so much energy on arguing about music (pastime, superfluous) which proves you to know nothing.
analbleediscool 2 years ago
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whateverhte 3 years ago
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whateverhte 3 years ago
This is complexity that results in a busy neurotic state. Everyone seems to think sixteenth notes are creatively interesting.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Bear in mind that these are hardboiled jazz musicians you're dealing with here. Jamming and generally having a good time on stage. And pretty much killing it at the same time :) Comparing this to e.g. The Beatles is totally pointless.
skeleto 3 years ago
No it isn't pointless, because the emotional state arrived at by these (in your imagination) important musicians is tepid and specific to a particular crowd of like minded people. While the Beatles' emotional states are transcendent and speak to all ages, genders, generations, and ethnic groups. You lose, but you won't be big enough to admit it.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
How on earth could you prove that? (Not that I care that much.) It's like saying Disney movies "speak to all ages, genders, generations, and ethnic groups" as opposed to Woody Allen films because "the emotional state arrived at by this (in your imagination) important film director is tepid and specific to a particular crowd of like minded people".
skeleto 3 years ago
It is a slippery slope, but Disney did have universal genius. Remember, he's dead. His inheritors are peddling mostly crap. The masses can be peddled crap during one era, but not over generations. Jungle book will continue over many generations. So will Shakespeare and the Beatles and Miles Davis and Duke Ellington and Debussy. But this may sustain the interest of the next generation's music students, but it will soon vanish utterly. Look at the outfits. What are they, caddies? Bad taste IS.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Come on, now you started talking about their appearance? Who gives a flying f***? You had no case to begin with, "but you won't be big enough to admit it".
skeleto 3 years ago
No, their outfits are relevant to aesthetics. I ask myself, would Debussy appear in one of these caddy outfits, EVER? No. Anymore than he would create such tedious music. The song isn't as bad as the tacked on instrumentation. And she just keeps strumming innanely the whole time. You could take any song and play world war III behind it and I would say the same thing. Miles Davis talked about space in music. These guys need him at the helm and something interesting might happen.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
If you _listen_ to this track; what has the musicians' outlook got to do with it? I'm talking about the _music_ whereas you're talking about --- I haven't got a clue anymore --- some kind of an aesthetic whole?
And basically they just use too many notes for your taste. I'm through with this.
skeleto 3 years ago
Okay, I understand your frustration. I'm not insulting your intelligence for appreciating this music. It has an intricacy that a musician's ear can find much to be entertained by. There's a book called A Whole New Mind that talks about the difference between the left and right halves of the brain. Engineers for example, tend to mostly use the left. Aesthetic form is a right brain thing. Even though the form may have many components to absorb(LB) taken as an emotional world(RB) it's unrewarding.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Judging an artist purely by aesthetic will only lead to biased arguements. Like I said, before aesthetic differs with every individual. Let's say you listen to Prince and Elton John, whereas I listen to Death, Possessed, and Morbid Angel (look 'em up if you don't know 'em). We would be argueing for hours and hours about who was better without coming to a single conclusion.
evilmick66 3 years ago
You also talk about memorability, well almost every pop song in the last century is completley forgotton, whereas most Extreme Metal songs from back then are still enjoyed by adamant fans of today's generation.
Your arguements can either only stop at a dead end or just go full circle.
evilmick66 3 years ago
Every pop songs of the last century is completely forgotten? Sorry, that's inaccurate. The Beatle's, a sixties group, still outsold many current pop artists with the release of One just a couple of years ago. Gershwin, Berlin, Cole Porter. Those are constellations in sky worldwide. Those bands you mentioned. Ask yourself how wide an emotional frequency they cover, and how is their sense of architecture. Architecture lasts--the Notre Dame cathedral, the Eiffel Tower. Dazed and Confused is better.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
The Beatle's are ONE band! Think of the hundreds of others who were the bestselling of their day that are virtually unkown in ours! Like the ones you've mentioned: Gershwin, Berlin, and Cole Porter. I'm 17 -- Never heard of them EVER!!
And the bands I mentioned hold a VAST emotional frequency! I know because I've been rocking out to Extreme Metal long before I've been listening to these kind of masterpeices.
evilmick66 3 years ago
The fact that you aren't familiar is not related to the fact that these songs are being performed and listened to all over the world as you read this. You're very young remember. You seem to be weighing significance by youth culture standards. My take on it is that your generation can't really come up to the bar with anything musical. But I'll listen to those bands you mentioned. You check out Beau Soir by Debussy(he was 16) and tell me what you think. Only timeless form matters to me.
cobaltjones 3 years ago 2
I'll look up Debussy, but let me ask how many people, save for hardcore Classical fans, remember with Debussy? That fact that I can't remember is relevent because while I'm several decades younger than the Beatles but you are an entire century younger than Debussy!
Let me also say that what these guys in this vid are doing aren't that different from Classical artists; they are just utilizing a different aesthetic.
evilmick66 3 years ago
There is no universal aesthetic. Only aesthetics that are shared by a majority and some by a minority.
evilmick66 3 years ago
Sorry about the typos btw.
evilmick66 3 years ago
Utterly wrong. We could explore your psychological motives for holding to that, but let's not. My "little world', eh? I respect the composers you named as having made Universal Timeless contributions. A valid work of art is an architecture that houses myriad responses, just as an individual may house a wide palette(My father's house has many mansions). Is Dukas' music darker than Debussy? Here's my list: Miles Davis sixties quintet, Bob Marley, Bartok, Everly Brothers, Rimsky Korsakov, Legeti.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
I have no psychological motives: it's plain FACT!! Otherwise, why would there be adamant followers for bands like Acid Bath? Or more so yet, something like Noise music?? If you look up Noise artists like Merzbow, there's no technicality OR emotion (depending on how you see it ofcourse) but their respective fan base LOVES it!
One Noise artist once said: "If noise is a series of unsettling sounds then Pop music is noise to me!"
Open up your narrowed mind you self-important jackass!!
evilmick66 3 years ago
Hey, my comment about relativism I thought I was directing to you. First of all. Can you just calm down? We're only having a debate. You keep citing democracy to bolster your arguments. That holds zero weight. The masses no more determine aesthetic form than they do physical law. A retarded person could say "it's gets dark at night" while others caught in a social hypnosis pretended otherwise. It would still be night. Aesthetic law IS. Is it mere opinion that you love your mother? Or fact?
cobaltjones 3 years ago
I was well aware of Debussy when I was 17. And I'm actually not into Classical music at all (save for e.g. Debussy and Satie). I think I heard "Clair de Lune" from a TV commercial and had to find out who had written that amazing piece of music.
skeleto 3 years ago
Well we come from different words. If I heard Debussy on TV I probabley wouldn't care for it. The kind of Classical music I'm into is dark, wild, and epic like Dukas, Wagner, and Mussorgsky. I guess that's just the metalhead in me. :)
evilmick66 3 years ago
I took a look at your suggestion: didn't really move me that much. I prefer more dark and epic Classical music like Wagner, Dukas, or Mussorgsky. That's MY aesthetic that you probabley don't share.
evilmick66 3 years ago
I think different aesthetics can happily co-exist within an individual. E.g. I enjoy pretty equally Joni Mitchell, Throbbing Gristle, Napalm Death, Miles Davis, Debussy, Whitehouse, Gerogerigegege, The Carpenters, Masonna, Darkthrone, The Dead Kennedys, SPK, John Cage, even some songs by cobaltjones' fetish... Err, favourite The Beatles.
We come from the same world but maybe we head for different directions...
skeleto 3 years ago
I don't doubt the existence of eclectics. But everyone, even some of the eclectics, have their preferences.
That's what I'm trying to convince cobaltjones'. Apparently, in his own little world, everyone emotionally responds to the same things; which is complete B.S.! Music is not absolute and musical beauty is in the eye (or I suppose, ear) of the beholder.
evilmick66 3 years ago
For we must also apply relativism to itself, lest it become an absolute and negate itself. Yes?
cobaltjones 3 years ago
We mustn't apply jackshit! If you don't like what your hearing, don't listen to it and then start bitching to complete strangers with pseudo-intellectual drivel! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!
evilmick66 3 years ago
Whereas your one cliche over and over again is supposed to be true intellectuality? It's interesting to note that you, the alleged "objective" one, are far more emotional in this discussion than me. Wonder why that is? Don't you "respect" my right to disagree? When a debater descends into name calling, he has run out of ideas. Hello in theretheretheretherelol.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Opposites are true in life. Aesthetics are both subjective(the many interpretations) and objective Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, Fur Elise. You're merely spewing mommy culture apollogia without realizing it. Women peddle that relativistic shit to dethrone masculine achievement. With your delusion, nothing was ever achieved. Therefore the mediocre are safe from accountability. And death metal is one dimensional child's music; you're being tough for the ladies, by which means they control your ass.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Your descending into sexism and ad hominem analogies (percieving darkness and loving one's mother has nothing to do with experiencing art).
Artists can be the best they can for their respective genres; their aesthetics. But your comparing a Jazz band to pop and classical which makes you completely bias!
And Death Metal isn't one dimensional! Look up "The Day You Died" by Arch Enemy and "Crystal Mountain" by Death (be sure to find the lyrics too).
evilmick66 3 years ago
Another thing. You call a genre "one dimensonal" and that only "timless form" matters to you. Well, folk songs and nusery rhymes are the most timeless music of all and most of them a VERY one dimensional. There's a bit of paradox in your arguement for ya!
evilmick66 3 years ago
I don't accept that folks songs are necessarily one dimensional. I'm just saying your notion that everyone's perception of art and music is equal is simply wrong. Beethoven's opinion on music is obviously superior to Britney Spears', as judged by their musical choices. You need to be a little more honest with yourself. Do you really imagine that Yanni's orchestral music is the equal of Beethoven's? Don't lie just to try to win an argument. Sometimes a victory makes you smaller.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Just another POV: John Cage treated all music as merely sounds. As sounds they are totally stripped of "emotion" or "aesthetics" as we know them. And when you think about it, you'll see that he was right. Music IS just sounds. For Cage it was more fascinating to listen to traffic than Beethoven or Mozart. The sound of traffic is unpredictable, constantly fluctuating.
You can enjoy music (sounds) in various ways. Take a walk in the woods or put on some Ludwig. Maybe do these at the same time?
skeleto 3 years ago
Also look up "Dechristianize" by Vital Remains and "Fermented Offal Discharge" by Necrophagist. REAL good death metal!
evilmick66 3 years ago
The reason I bring up your mother is not as an insult. It's a fact that you love her, I presume; a fact no less real than the laws of physics, but that cannot be proven through logic. My overall point is that there is no civilization without mystical truths that are beyond rational proof. Buddha asks "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" not for the answer, but to strangle the rational faculty, and thus open the third eye of the novitiate.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
I'm not saying that everyone's perception of art is equal, I'm saying that everyone's perception of art is D I F F E R E N T. Beethoven is superior to Spears in many ways, but aesthetic tastes are stupid to come into question.
Loving one's mother is NOT a proper analogy! It's not the same as having taste music. A proper analogy is that having taste music is like having taste in food; "I prefer meat, you prefer vegetables" THAT'S the same as having taste in music! You are so one-sided!
evilmick66 3 years ago
Yes the mother analogy holds, because you haven't understood it. Is there a God? Is there such a thing as timeless universal art? All of these things share the same battlefield of mystical truths beyond the tiny realm of logic. Without them we have a mommy culture, where life is about putting endless bodies on the earth who can't think or read, never discuss ideas, and can't perceive poetry. Tolstoy said "poetry without mysticism is prose, religion without mysticism is superstition." Tell me why
cobaltjones 3 years ago
You're contradicting yourself and violating your feminine loyalty to relativism. If everyone's perception isn't equal, then you lose the entire argument. Aesthetics are transrational(neither smart nor stupid). I'm only discussing the psychological defenses that prevent our perceiving them. Society is a collective psychological defense against timeless art. Women are collective and tend to deny the timeless forms of male achievement. This isn't sexist it's just an accurate observation.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Jesus Christ! I just stopped even listening to you. Now your just babbling nonsense. I'm ending this conversation here. Have fun in crazy land, where you can spout your philosophical nonsense all you want. I'll be here, actually listening to music.
evilmick66 3 years ago
okay, enjoy your mommy induced stupor in hellish mediocreland. Thanks for the death metal suggestion. I enjoyed the comedy very much.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
I'd like to see your response to superunknown's reply to your arguement. HAHA! he just laid a total beatdown on you.
evilmick66 2 years ago
The Beatles were fine musicians and wrote timeless songs. There's no doubt. But they never pushed the boundaries of their instruments and music like what you're listening to in this video.
And if you're talking about the musicians in the video in our "imagination" as being important. You're obviously not a musician.
roushsn95 3 years ago
Actually I am a musician, and it isn't necessary to push the limits of an instrument in order to express emotional depth. Ravi Shankar, upon hearing Mahler, said, "that's baby music." Wrong Ravi, because your noodling doesn't get anywhere near the emotional intensity of Kindertotenlieder," and it never will.
cobaltjones 2 years ago
god that part at 1:44 is impossible to take all at once.. you want to go back and see jaco, pat and joni just grooving... while trying to hear breckers amazing solo! wow!
Wh00terman 3 years ago
her and leonard cohen were the best musicians to come out of canada
and some of the greatest songwriters of all time
palynchuk93 3 years ago
don't forget about Bruce Cockburn.
cinchdanksoul 3 years ago
And Neil Young.
skeleto 3 years ago
I love starting shit with left brain listeners who have no emotional sense of what's in front of them. "Listen to all of those notes man!" So what? Sounds like a cheap police television theme and literary lyrics suck gangrenous donkey bags.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Come again?
sodamy 3 years ago
lol... the more ppl say arghh i cnt listern to this it just to many notes.... the more the world is getting dummed down by relegion and polotics!
bassbiglik0 3 years ago
sorry, my mistake, crows don't kill... but this one still comes down and scavenges brutally, even if I prefer the album version due to the absence of the sax. I like Brecker (I think) on other things I heard more though.
whateverhte 3 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I think Joni is great...I just can't imagine her ordering guys like Brecker, Jaco, or Metheny around. Brecker especially was on a completely different level.
Modes9 3 years ago
how is he on a different level? in his ability to move his hands very quickly and breathe properly, maybe, but at the end of the day we judge music by its effect on us and if someone doesn't feel Brecker's playing was compatible with the emotion Joni put into a stunning song then hes not above criticism. personally I think punk rock had a good influence in allowing the Black Crow songs of other artists in years after this performance not to get weighed down, with more notes than needed to kill..
whateverhte 3 years ago
You're confusing the world of creative vision with technical mastery. No one is ever going to be humming Brecker's tunes. What tunes? He and the rest of these guys are grossly inferior to the Beatles as well, despite the Beatles' technical limitations. Ask of all music: what is the aesthetic value? Wynton Marsalis in this context is mediocre, even while playing his ass off. Again, too many sixteenth notes. Busyness that doesn't serve creative mastery. Joni's jazz marriage should've been anulled.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
You must be the kind of guy who supports Bob Dylan or Neil Young. Some people think their should only be enough music to push lyrics forward. "Take a Walk" by Michael Brecker is "hummable" (not that that even matters). If you can handle Wynton Marsalis, a REAL trumpet player like Woody Shaw, Freddie Hubbard, or Fats Navarro would give you a stroke! Singers and lyrics generally get in the way, but Joni, Steely Dan and Gino Vanelli are artistic enough to make it worthwhile.
Modes9 3 years ago
I think the only modern trumpet player that matters is Miles Davis, particularly in the mid sixties quintet with Tony Williams and Wayne shorter. They were transmuting simple tunes into masterful tone poems. For me, that group is the summit of western civilization for small jazz combos. Everyone else is so far beneath them creatively. Only Duke Ellington could've equaled it, had he chosen to focus on composing for and performing with a quintet. It's a right brain thing to grasp, not left.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
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roushsn95 3 years ago
Typical music nazi. You must read Rolling Stone. ??
roushsn95 3 years ago
No I don't like Rolling Stone. It misplaces politics and literature onto music. I'm analyzing the aesthetic form, which is the only really relevant conversation to have about music. In this case, it's busy in a way which has nothing to do with the song.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
Dude, you're over analyzing way too much.
roushsn95 3 years ago
Aesthetic value is stupid to argue about because it's too subjective -- i.e., it's in the eye of the beholder.
For example, you mentioned The Beatles earlier; well aesthetically, I hate most Beatles songs as much as I hate the skill limitations to them. To me they're just cheeky pop music bullshit with the most generic lyrics ever.
I would prefer THIS because not only is it more skillful but it's beautiful and each instrument has it's own terrific "hook" that harmonizes with the rest.
evilmick66 3 years ago
Wrong, aesthetic value is not purely subjective. You're a left brain listener, who irrelevantly isolates elements instead of taking in the whole form. If aesthetics was purely subjective, would you have been a victim of the good looking kids in your school? Further, you don't even believe that aesthetics are purely subjective. Let's take it to its logical end: Yanni's music is equal to Beethoven's? Now who's being stupid? But for mere opinion, Yanni is as good as Beethoven. Ridiculous. Game over
cobaltjones 3 years ago
It's YOUR opinion that Yanni is bad, not everyone's? And a lot of people think Beethoven and other musica artists are boring!
As for "the good looking kids," aesthetic and sexual attraction is not the same thing.
All I'm saying is that if aesthetic is beauty, then it's in the eye of the beholder; everyone has their own personal aesthetic.
A lot of people like the Beatles but you can't expect everyone to enjoy stupid generic love songs.
I'm a left brain listener but your a music nazi.
evilmick66 3 years ago
Let's also take this exampe: Death Metal. I love death metal with growling, screaming vocals, and it's heavy and loud guitar playing. That's MY aesthetic, that's beauty to me but not to everyone. And I respect that.
That's what you need to learn is RESPECT in other people's tastes! If you can't do that then your better off wallowing in your own hole of self-importance, you fucking Music Nazi! SEIG HEIL!
evilmick66 3 years ago
No it's pretty much a fact that Yanni's music is shit. Thanks for commenting though. lol
cobaltjones 3 years ago
I haven't ever listened to Yanni but I'm sure I'd think so too. But only because he's not to my taste. Music is not absolute and everyone has their own thing.
evilmick66 3 years ago
i think the band did alot ov arranging im not sure i just seen pic ov jaco and joni behind piano lol :P they lil love doves
bassbiglik0 3 years ago
Amazing band. Never really liked Michael's sound though. Reminds me too much of that mainstream generic sax sound you hear at the beginning of some afternoon soaps.
Mystep 3 years ago
haha interesting. i think he is a sick player, dont forget he came up through steely dan, which i guess sort of explains that, but he is a really innovative and important jazz musician in my book
denmanator 3 years ago
Rest in Peace JACO Pastorius
ricemilk 3 years ago
i saw this cocert. wow!
katiebridget 3 years ago
just wanna say this particular version is AMAZING. my comment below was meant to be about the version from a later tour where I think the arrangement lost its force, sorry.
whateverhte 3 years ago
my fav song of all time. it's horrifically underrated among Joni's work, yet musicians like it, so Krall to R. Thompson have all lovingly butchered it. even Joni does not seem to get her song's bleak simplicities-the killer riff-and live she tries to make it into a more complicated jam with extra solos. Jaco's amazing. But no.. the crow is a noise monster, abrasive, claustrophobic, plastered, stuck in the groove, pure and fucked as hell. This is a better Radiohead song than they will ever do.
whateverhte 3 years ago
Consider the very thin emotional spectrum produced by this performance. It's frantic. No sadness, no sex, no ether. The lyrics immediately jar against the music in a way that is fingernails on a chalk board "Maggots, tutti fruiti?" It's a complex tangle for the left brain to chew on, but aesthetically a poor meal.
cobaltjones 3 years ago
It seems to me that this song is conveying a dimension of the emotional spectrum that you are either unaware of, or neglecting. Some people's internal states are frantically labile and disorganized. The images of decay and a portentous bird juxtaposed with frenetic instrumentation convey this to me. Not all songs need reluctant nuance to express sadness. The emotional experience of the listener is the best purveyor of this. Or maybe it's just me...
KookyKosmos 3 years ago
What a lineup! Joni Mitchell, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker, Lyle Mays, Don Alias. Could it be much better?
holmclausen87 3 years ago 5
Breath taking... Just amazing ! The best line up ever !
FlowJazz 3 years ago
Jaco, Don, and Michael are gone now. It's nice to know they'll be remembered in videos like this.
criticalsection 3 years ago
Always Joni. I'd still marry her 30 years later.
gottawannalive 3 years ago
Can I swear here ?......f*cking unbelievable !!!...Joni is fantastic - Jaco is/was the the most amazing bass player and Methaney/Brecker? ...comon is this not the greatest line up ever !!!!
zelig33 3 years ago
brecker with a beard!!!
denmanator 3 years ago
mitchell beautiful!!!!!!!!
UNKLEREMUSS 3 years ago
not familiar with that bassist but he is bloody mental
VeeCrunchy 3 years ago
jaco pastorius
wbritstyle 3 years ago 2
If you liked that bassist, you should check out an album called "Bright Size Life" by Pat Metheny. It's Pat's first album (he's only 19 years old) and he plays with Jaco Pastorious, the bassist on this video.
It's a really beautiful album with great guitar and very easy to listen to.
utube9000 3 years ago 2