Moral Theories - Consequentialism

[Abignalessuccessor]

We're all consiquentialists when the shit hits the fan, yet change our minds when were not totally screwed.

Talk about hypocracy

[lukebeevers93]

"The end cannot justify the means for the simple rason the means deployed determine the ends achieved"

[BrytaPlanka]

Preference Utilitarianism seems pretty good

[cpmc1]

What exactly IS the end? The end of personal life? Suicide. The end of all life? Global thermonuclear war. The end of suffuring? Buddhism. The end of me rambling on? Someone telling me what the end is.

[thabookwyrm]

@cpmc1

the end is the result of your actions. i.e. if I kill a guy to save three other guys, the means are killing the first dude, and the end is that the other three get to live

[cpmc1]

@thabookwyrm

Which sounds alot like utilitarianism.

[thabookwyrm]

@cpmc1

I could see that. I probably could have used a better example, but it gets the point across, does it not?

[cpmc1]

@thabookwyrm

Yeah, I guess. Whate exactly is the difference? I mean, everyone seems to talk about utilitarianism and consequentialism as two completely different philosophys, but the way you explained it, they could be co-existing. Theres a problem here...

[thabookwyrm]

@cpmc1

I'm no expert, but I SUPPOSE in Consequentialism it would be morally correct to kill the three to same the one.

[jassi445]

can any one tell me what BP oil corp ever did which could be as a result of Consequentialism -this is fro my school project and i need help real fast.. thanks in-advance

[tauseef32]

Does the individual step taken to achieve a particular goal, give rise to that single consequence alone? Or can it create other undesired and unforseen consequences also?

[Bremerxxxx]

@tauseef32

Interesting questions. I would think that if more than one person takes similar steps to achieve a certain end, there will probably be some indirect or unforeseen consequences, which may go about unnoticed, or make the people aware of the consequences adapt or alter their previous plans or goals.

[johnnycon]

Results in the tyranny of the majority.

[Sloth7d]

@johnnycon Only in the most disingenuous way. A utilitarianist position would hold for an ideal world of happiness for everyone in theory. It's only that, given with absolutely no other choice in a dire situation, the utilitarian would opt for the well being of more innocent lives than few or even none at all. This is not the same as "mob rule", which is detrimental to the well being of a society as it can cause internal discord within a country.

[vaguelyhumanoid]

@johnnycon Egoism and consequentialist libertarianism don't.

[daemonboi2]

I find it hard to accept the premise that this is a moral position.