maybe the fastest way to play double bass?

[17bdawg]

you'll sound like the most schizophrenic drummer ever....

[TheSavageMessiah]

you need more powah!!! full heavy ass strokes... just like masturbating... but with yer feet! =)

[Independent86921]

"Can't do it with my left leg", but no biggie.

[RedCl0ud22]

I'm self taught and have been doing this for a couple years now. I didn't really know of another way to do it. I have been able to achieve lots of power too. The only problem is that I go to fast! Like I naturally go at 190 bpm or so doing this, and when I practice with a metronome, I work on slooowwwinggg it down. It's difficult.

[metalmeltdown12]

Yeah at first I thought this would work and for a while I did it but once I started actually listening to the bass drum I noticed how sloppy it was and it totally screwed over my heel up double bass now and I need to completely re teach myself so I wouldn't recommend this.

[Gr1zz3m]

@metalmeltdown12

it works better when your pedals are closer. it'd sound better if you find the sweet spot and can keep your momentum.

it doesn't work as well if you move/ adjust the foot pedal/ chair.

but it works well if your looking to do crazy fast things for long periods of time.

[yesalexyeah]

I'm sure a lot of people have commented on this, without actually getting behind a kit and trying it out. It's actually a really effective method, using your legs' natural jerk reaction to actually achieve fast, precise strokes. The power is still there, it just needs to be practiced so your leg's muscle memory becomes accustomed to it. This is how I learned to strengthen my legs for more demanding double-bass music, like death metal. Try it without bashing it first. It just might work.

[METALismyLIFE910]

nice set!

[ItisI111]

It's fast, but there's no power. Would only really work with triggers.

[xi0wnallx]

wow u just discovered this, in 2007 haha nvm bitch

[gigijohny]

/watch?v=gbhAepnLT3Y

uploaded and made since 2006!! =)

[1991ant1991]

I tried this when I started double bass this just develops into bad habits. Learn the proper way by starting off slow and working your way up. There's no short cuts.

[XurakuXookamiX]

bitch,

[wildside95]

its alright but you dont have alot of strength behind it

[dragpyre]

That technique is called twitching.

[olliemedsy]

that is fucking... awful

[macosoonami666]

lol george kollias doesnt like dat technique

[genaschtes]

i'm playing the same way FASt double bass. BUT the problem is, to keep it uptight and in tempo. but i do it this way.

[TheUnconsecrated]

fastest way to play double bass is by doing double-strokes swivel....george kollias mastered that technique....thats why he's so fast

[ryder187mac]

@TheUnconsecrated Everyone talks about "swivel" without knowing shit about it.

So, what exactly is this double stroke swivel that you described? Seriously now, the famous swivel technique is basically the same thing in the vid (or heel up) but only with swiveling your ankle because of some reaons which I can't recall.

[Atreus006]

It's pointless if you can't play the left foot at the same tempo as the right. You need to have complete control of both feet and be able to play them both at the same tempo with your chosen technique. After that is established then you can think about increasing tempos.

[ScottyA328]

I personally actually use this technique, (although slightly more refined) and i have trained until i get alot of speed, but it takes practice and a little persceverence technique wise to get the most power you can, which for me by now, is alot:)

[lordvanthom]

but you have no power when you play it on a acoustic base drum so... failed !!!

Heels up is much better !

[destinharper]

This would only work really if you had triggers.

It may work for some.

But I dunno.

[stevieray345]

that's a monster kit dude!!!

[brady67123]

i have a problem becuase my feet are so big..... so i have trouble with heel to toe... any advice

[TheSackdragger]

you have the same pedals as me and they arent good so any advice on making them better?

[Snarizard]

fuck those pedals i just upgraded from these to iron cobras and it made me realize how shitty these are :l

[ch3wb4cc4]

shaking ur foot doesnt give a sound at all on a REAL drum kit

[863jose]

haha i did that before and i was like woah! im going godspeed lol but yea lacks power but not the speed. maybe if you like put your foot on half of the pedal and just do it.

[screamit1]

i started doin this and it suks!!!!!!!!!!1

[hazzpro]

good for speed on triggers but yeh lacks power

[Archeron33]

And control.

[iamthehatecrew]

This technique is the only one i know, it is fast but it is very easy to get sloppy with it

[JuiceofVM]

Not good technique

[MysteriousCard]

this is terrible. i knew this before i saw the video or even heard anyone say anything about it, but you cannot control when it hits the bass. sometimes it misses and it gets off beat so SO easily

[cashmerestaten]

it isnt easy to keep in time like that though

[memoraxdabaker]

theres no secreat its practice just practice your gona screw ur legs up doin that no secret just practice

[entrailsgalore]

@memoraxdabaker Any technique will work, including this one. It is about developing muscle memory and plateauing your leg muscles. But you are right, it is all just practice.

[hwgavin]

this is nothing amazing, common sense really. I hate how drummers learn a few techniques and think theyre genius'. I dont see this same neurosis happening within guitar culture. An interesting thought.

[Ted443]

when i try it at school, (yes i pretend i am a famous death metal rockstar) i cant stop my legs when i want to. I learned that you are doing it wrong, sorry O.o

[halofreak3317]

i thought he made a good point

[dedrummist]

do you have control on your feet? i don't think so. i don't want to offend but... i think you're too weak with your feet... this technique gives you power to use, but with control. no offensive but... you haven't

[6Extratone6]

what kind of bassdrum is that how do you call it,

[Paracoccidio]

dude ur are doing it wrong

its called flat foot technique dude, derek roddy uses it, just watch derek roddy's explanation for this technique, i practice this technique and i get a lot of power and stamina out of it.

Thats why derek roddy uses this technique, cause he doesnt like triggers, you have to kind of lift your whole legs so you get a lot of power out of it

[satansdildo08]

@Paracoccidio

ummm no offense....derek roddy does use triggers.....and axis xl2.

[Paracoccidio]

i didn't say he doesn't use triggers, i said he doesn't like to use them in his explanation video he says it

[lleodrummer]

thats how i practice

[nightfoxteam]

or...u can do it slow and build up speed the right way and have complete control over your feet

[Gr1zz3m]

@nightfoxteam

this is accually a better way because its using momentum

there is no "right" way, but to be honest, i get faster when i play like this.

i perfer this when i play long parts that have to be faster, but its harder to switch up from maybe long "RLRLRLR---" to triplets, or w/e.

the more traditional versions (heel down/ flat foot, etc) are good for playing with more control, obviously you have less control this way because you have to find the sweet spot.

im self taught so idk.

[Villex93]

I realized this right away when I started to play drums. But it's impossible to do with 2 feet so...

[dtportnoyrox50]

you can use it with both feet. all you do is tense up both your feet. but it doesn't fully work. both feet will play amazingly fast but at the same time making flams and occasionally for straight 16th notes but then back to flams. just work up the speed on both feet.

[SeedOfCannibalism]

I'm able to do that. Well, it's like this and a lot of ankles.

[EatMeUPinside]

haha when i first started playing double bass this was the technique that is the easiest to do for beginners in my opinion. very easy to do.

[Chibigoat]

i got those pedals too, mine are also squeeky like that too :D

[Surazalsevastra]

um wonderful. You' had an epiphany about twitch method drumming. WOOO

[awkwardh1ppo]

i have the same pedals lol

[cheater6dude]

thats how i play i was playing around and found that out but i play it hard by playing in the middle of the pedal so it sounds consistly hard

[sacatreez]

You can get power using this technique, u just have to practice, I use this alot as well as any other technique I get my feet on.

[Wolverine51324]

Why the fuck did this get so many views?

[UndeadSn1per]

the title made me curious, as it probably did for a lot of people

[DIMMUBORGIR76]

does anyone know what peddles hes using

[RottingRoot17]

Looks like some type of PDP.

[Kustomification]

@RottingRoot17

They are Dixon PP9290D Pedals, I got them, They are middle range pedals nothink special. They squeek because you have to service them but dumb kids these days don't know the word service.

[M3G4G0TH]

nice stuff mate. :)

try to get your heel lower when doing this, you will see that there is much more movement possible with your technique.

more movement -> more beater distance -> more volume. check my ankle motion video, there you see what i mean.

however, heel down is 80% the thing that i would practise to go for fast ankles - i dont understand what the people were shiting about... you are a good musician since you learn and adapt, dont let them get you down!

have a nice day mate

[VenomCoB]

this is called "tapping"

only problem: noone will be able to hear your basedrum. try using more movement from the ankles will give you more control and power!

[lampshade1991]

fast but uncontrolled.

[HydraSperati]

just gotta keep doin it. i can control it. just need to develop the muscles.

[tamakit123]

im just saying if one foot cant do it wor on it!!! lol cool vid though i enjoyed it i see swivel technique wors well to break tension in the top part of the ankle

[tombojombo]

technique would be best used when using triggers on the bass drum

[TUSMROX]

I love how everyone says he doesn't get much power using this technique when he CLEARLY STATED THAT HIMSELF.

Stop shitting on the guy.

[captaindipwad5]

Hah, yeah. I noticed that too. Shows how far people actually watch into the video.

[tcslick420]

I think it's the same idea as playing Flat-footed. You're using your hip muscles and twitching them real fast. Only problem is, your version doesn't get much power at all.

[TheWezel1995]

Yeah it's funny but you can't play realy hard with your technique... Still nice video

[LEANDROCBA92]

the problem with heel down is that it doesnt have the same power it is so much louder with heel up

[FistFullOfDavid]

thats what i did the first time i got on a double bass!!

[xxxYugooxxx]

How much control do you thing the nervouse twicth tec has? Not much I guess!

[xGAVENx]

So in order to play quick double bass, I should move my foot up and down on the pedal....

Thank god I found this video, I was sitting behind my kit asking nicely for my beaters to play 250.

I'll try this newfangled "Put your foot on the pedal and move it up and down" idea.

[Neptune0100]

It's not a very practical technique, but apparently you don't get it.

[punkrockdrummer1990]

lol u funny bastard ;)

[KleinBeynis]

already knew it, but great

[RikkTowers]

well duh thts the only freakin way to go fast with out tiring out swivle wtf is that! any other method jst sucks i think hahahaha

[TheresAFuckingDuck]

i use that method, is the first one that i thought to get fast...its really useful to save energies

[xxxPinkyGSterxxx]

Don't diss heel-down technique. I've always played double bass heel down and I can go surprisingly fast for this. Heel-down is probably the most under used technique in the metal scene... So sad...

[pongopanic]

ive seen people do 250 with heel down and its amazing but its so hard to get good at

[shawnmaddox07]

your an idiot dude how about you try and sync both feet together not just one foot at a timethen show me that its easy..you cant keep it going steady with that technique, if you can i wanna see a vid of it

[ScaRav90]

you definantly can. try it, give it a week and you'll be able to do it, no doubt!

the only thing that's really hard is playing complicated figures with that technique... but even that is possible.

[phisig2244]

i'm glad this technique works for you...

it's just like a retard trying to race

[EAaltv]

yeah that's a fast way, but if you are about to change rythm, you will fail cause your leg will stay in "auto" mode xP, that's how i started playing double bass drum and once i started like that i had to continuine whole song like that, so it's better to train slowly on normal heel up double bass drum

[OKAY546]

LOL BRO I LAUGHED HARD WHEN I SAW HOW FASR THAT EDAL IS GOING,I WAS NERVOUS THIS MORNING TOO AND I WENT TO MY DOUBLE BASS AND GOD UR RIGHT.xD

[syxthx]

accually this works really well, been playing like that for quitte some time

[epfsoad]

i got those pedals off eBay for 80 bucks and they work quite well and for 80 dollars i guess they are great i would recommend those pedals for anyone looking not to spend a lot of money

[44FSAS44]

hey those pedals you bought from ebay, are they a name brand cuz i got a double bass pedal off ebay for 80 bucks too... and mine aren't a name brand... their pretty decent pedals.. but i had to tighten up everything cuz it was fallin apart right outa the box... lol...

[masterofpuppets1983z]

oh no my mistake lol

[masterofpuppets1983z]

there the same pedals as mine dude

[clipper1996]

if you want to see some REALY fast double bass drum watch this :D /watch?v=XU0RUBzeH40

[BARP9]

lame!!!

[chadtasmanburton]

nar heel toe way quicker for anyone i already knew this technique but its nothing special

[RRReviews]

lol restless leg syndrome :D i have that its really easy to pedal fast but like people r saying its not consistant

[jmancrakapop]

its fast but not very clean when u use both feet but if u can get it clean than hey it works.hah

[MakMMattY]

i use that in my drum lessons cos it only has a single bass pedal so i can keep up with some metal songs

[TheRealAxelFury]

It may work if mastered but it will always be a lght tap instead od a full strike, so i believe it will work but depends on what you need to obtain.

[onesickbastard]

the problem with this is you end up hitting both beaters together most of the time so it ends up being very sloppy and crappy sounding but you never know there might be someone out there it would work for

[TheRandomVideoMaker]

where can i get a drum pad like that, in flordia, and the pedals. right back someone!

[BobTheNecrophiliac]

Has nothing to do with nervousness, it's place ment of feet and leg and shit. what you do is you place your foot way back on the pedal and do a sorta "twitch" technique with your shin muscles.

some people loosen their pedals and tighten up the bass head and it just flows real fast if you have good control.

(that's what he's trying to say)

[therevjunior]

people new to double bass...dont try this straight up...learn slow double bass first because i went strait to this and it helped my speed but i struggle 2 do slow double bass. but this did help me

[alittlebored]

god that was stupid, people who play fast have earned their right from constant practice and endurance. NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NERVOUS. thats the dumbest technique ive ever hesard and if any drummer thinks thats the way, you're retarded. It's about control and practice, not how nervous u are

[BCTamps]

You're an idiot. You completely misunderstood what he is talking about. He was using shaking your leg from being nervous as an example. Fucking idiot.

[Razrpronazr]

yeah, that works, but it's not..in tune i guess. it should be right left right left. but this would be like rrlrrllrrlrlrllrrlrrrrlrrlrlrl­rrrl

[gendtproducties]

i do the same on my kit

[killu626]

This is a good way to do it, I also use that sort of thing with my hands to play fast with my left hand for snare drum, but I am 14 years old and I use the same sort of thing at about 275-280 bpm.

[JumpinTheGunBand]

I call bullshit

[skinnyjeans987]

u w 1 foot is how fast i am with both

haha

thank god im a guitarist

great job ur amazing

[benson1888]

is the camera your penis?

[blinkmelvyn182]

no is his vagina

[kristerrs]

Much easier to play fast with shoes:D

[ISHEEBESI]

thats how i do it. going to a sped school is a good way to develop the calf muscle spasms for that. no lie

[Frozenyak]

ive been playin with that for about two years. I simply noticed the leg shaking thing and thought... that's really energy saving (you use the calf instead of the tiny muscles over the shin like you do when your heel touches the ground). it was really hard at first to synchronize but after about a year of practicing on the bus/subway, driving old ladies crazy and all the time when listenin to music i developed pretty powerful synchronized methods.

[m0nk3yh3al3r]

looks like heels up

[furzususu]

another thing i think is that its very hard to control or play for example patterns with this technique as its just a kind of uncontrolled jerking with your legs ;D

[lremol]

i have the same pedals

[iUnTrUe]

Nice it works!

[CoD4SkRaTeBeAsTz]

i h8 these drum sets

[talebsmamma]

nice :) I usually use this :)

[Krill3Z]

this is how i always play when i play fast.

how am i supposed to play fast without tapping/twitching?

[Nikaholic97]

Red snare like on guitar hero xD

[zmanbrody]

This technique is called tapping haha it kinda cheating if you have triggers but with mics you probubly wont hear your self with this much power. i just play heel up and relax my leg movement from side to side so i do some form of swivel but very ruff

[LOLE1991KOVIN]

This don't have enough power, can you hear bass when you play with a band?

[zmanbrody]

are u agreeing with me? i cant tell

[LOLE1991KOVIN]

yes, I play heel up too, I tried this, when I practice I hear drums, but when I play with band, I hear onli cymbals and snare, without bass drum

[metalskelly]

yeah what Deathmetal50 said, just trigger it fool

[LOLE1991KOVIN]

.!.

[CHICKMAGNET66666]

lol i was at guitar center useing double bass stoped to talk to someone and my leg started twitching really fast XD

[ThrillMonger]

that's called twitching, and you're unable to control it at slower speeds, and yeah its really quiet

[Krill3Z]

its not quiet with axis longboards :P

[SteelDrummer94]

i do that technique but it definitely wares out my legs quicker

[ackmarzmenn]

i have that dixon pedal and i absolutely hate it for this kind of playing. does anyone know of a rather cheap good pedal like iron cobra? not as expensive as axis?

[SKA8TERplusLAX]

get the pearl powershifter

[darkeryche]

Thats how i do it XD

i dont do it consantly but I use it for wicked fast rolls. A better way to add more power is to kinda drop your heel more while your shaking your foot. and also try to push forward a little bit.

[TaintTheAbyss]

i agree, im a guitarist but recently took up drums too, and i have that foot problem (when not playing drums). i didnt think about applying it to drums, i just thought everybody did it anyway, but yes i agree, i've found it effective for playing fast but its hard to keep them perfectly balanced. they keep syncing up

[TDM14Animation]

i do that technique. its fast, but my feet sync with each other after a while

[sorbosux717]

derek gets power aplenty with this technique, but ur feet need to be further back on the board.

[fisketruten]

thats the way i started playing double bass. i just practiced and started hitting harder and more controlled. so now i have no prob playing 230-250 bpm:P

to go faster than that i need to go heel/toe i think.

[HDeathknight]

Yeh, i started like that too but heel-toe is faster.

[fisketruten]

of course heel-toe is faster, but how many times do you need to play over 250?

[darkeryche]

this is def faster.

[BaseCase1996]

i do that its just hard to it accurate and not uneven or however u wanna describe it

[JakeSmaszcz]

OH MY GOD! That's exactly what i've been doing. Lol

[paintballpoop]

on an acoustic set u would need triggers for the hit to be loud.

[x8dddx]

This is the normal way just about everyone hits the higher speeds, nothing earth shattering. It's all about the Hip Flexor muscles.

[chicoice321]

figured that out buy my self dude omg lol i gues im a natural because i figured thats how your supposed to do it but i guess its probably the best one for metal

[beakfast]

Josh?

[narutomasta93]

just use the double bass pedal when u gotta pee and just hold it and play double bass

[scootscootgang]

hahaha true dat

[MoaiMaea]

I noticed that myself, too, but I didn't knew if one would be able to play with that.

[samiscool102]

how do you like that bass drum practice pad? and what kind is it? i've been looking around for some and i haven't had much luck finding an inexpensive one and i was just wondering if its a realistic feel or not

[Malinator94]

ha i got those same pdp pedals

[george78610801]

they aren't pdp their dixon

[Malinator94]

yea i figured that out after watchin it again

it jus has the exact same pattern lol

[WiiWillRockYou123]

umm thats calls regular heel up ya retard

[IRefusedToLove]

man i do the same, i had the same idea. it gets better with my left foot. i only get it straight a for a few seconds but its fuckin fast. i work on it some time. but you need a lot of attack and maybe triggers to make it sound clear. its not loud enough, and it sounds a bit...unclear and undefined.

so, just keep workin on that, as i do =)

[viper10003]

COOL

[inquestHELP]

can some one pls back me up with an arguement i have with a moron that has this video

watch?v=GWJD9zNsYiM

he thinks this is real double bass played form absu drummer by the name of proscriptor!

personaly i think its way beyond the rational bpm playable speed!

and give plenty of shit to the snotty 17y old who think he knows it all!

[enzoc2]

oh.. pero toca :S , si no q gracia tiene

[robbtoyo]

Sorry, my comment got too long. =P

Anyway, if you do a lot of speeding up and slowing down, it's not good to rely on a reflex to start and stop when you want it, or even control the speed (eg you start blasting away 64th notes, then you want to drop to 32nd notes, it's difficult to control).

Anyway, I don't want to rag on this or be rude, I just wanted to point out that reflexes are hard to control. =)

[samiscool102]

i disagree, and i think that thats mainly because you dont even play double bass. i dont mean to be rude but it is impossible to have an opinion about a technique like this without ever trying it. i found this technique on my own and i use it a lot, and just like every other technique it takes a lot of practice to get it going smoothly and to be able to transition into different speeds, so its not excessively hard to control after a lot of practice.

[robbtoyo]

Fair enough. I use the technique when I'm playing around (I'm pretty sure anyone who's put their foot on a pedal and decided they want to try and play it fast has "discovered" this technique), and I just think that it's easier to just use heel toe or the ankle, than to try and master a reflex.

[robbtoyo]

It goes fast, but like you said it doesn't have very much power. It's also difficult to control; I don't play double bass (I'd like too, just can't afford the pedals right now), so I don't know a whole lot about it, but my drum teacher likes to give me stuff with a lot of accents and stuff with the pedal. Another downside is that it's an automatic response, so if you condition your brain to it, it'll be hard to start it up (eg, you're playing 16th notes, and then the bar switchs over to 32nds)

[claymashion123]

yeah that's what i do with a single bass to play fast and with a double bass

[MyRoflCopt3r]

lol thats wut i do

[lgeoghegan]

you can use this technique if you want to, but enjoy the nerve damage in your legs.....

[buster1700]

LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO nice nice acturley cried a bit when i read that + from me

[samiscool102]

how would this cause any type of nerve damage? all this is is twitching your foot, just like many many people do when they are nervous. your nerves are completely unrelated to this technique

[lgeoghegan]

think you'll find it is twitching which is caused by running on a nerve, it's like a forced spasm pretty much

nerves are related to every fucking thing you do in life, dumbass.