@Eahoueh4YahWeh It is all parabolic. In parables, the only "error" is reading anything on the purely literal level. Best to let the Bible interpret itself....
@Eahoueh4YahWeh It is parabolic. Please, see it from a point of view higher than yourself.... The woman is the Church, is she not? This is revelation, not something to judge after the flesh! Listen to it all in its parabolic meaning. I uploaded it hoping that people could simply listen on the level of the parable. Hermas represents the Church, (i.e.--4:40)
Thank you for putting these up for us. These writings and the writings of the Church are very dynamic, especially when they talk about Spiritual warfare.
That's what makes the Ancient Orthodox Church so Awesome is that it focuses more on the Spirit than on the Letter. For the letters are "Are weighty and powerful" (2 Cor 10:10).
And the Letters will kill you because of their power and weight:
"not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
@allrza Why, because WE have determined they are not "Scripture," silly! WE cannot "taint" the truth with "lies," can we? Of course not. In fact, they must all be suppressed, because WE know better, and WE are better qualified to judge these matters than the Christian "Rabble." WE cannot be wrong, because WE are legion!
@allrza Of course, if WE had been living in the days of the prophets, WE would never have had a hand in the "Shedding of the Blood of the Prophets." We just build them their tombs, so to speak. Keep them in God's graveyard, subject to what WE are taught in the "Theological Cemetery."
@allrza Okay, maybe a little thick on the sarcasm, but do me a favor, go into ANY Christian bookstore and ask for the Apocrypha, or even the "Lost Books of the Bible" and see their utter indignation. (Sometimes I do this just for fun.) These guys will tell you things like, "There ARE no "LOST BOOKS,"" or "You should go to the Catholic Bookstore," or "the secular bookstore." Truth is, they are convinced that they are right, and they are often quite smug and dismissive about it. Have fun!
@da1976stone Thanks. I'm glad you enjoy the word of God. I hope you don't mind if I remove the comment with your email address on it. I will send you a copy, though. Hope you enjoy it! :)
I've got this book on paper. It speaks alot of truth, but there is some error I think too. Weather it is real 'scripture' is questionable as it's apocrafull, but the bit at the start is what gets me the most. There is a massive difference between desiring a woman for marriage and lusting. So in these opening sequencies, I cannot see how he sinned. Any ideas? God designed us to desire a woman/man, otherwise the race would stop.
@sparkshot Well, I hope to get into that when I start to do the annotations. This book is parabolic like Enoch and the other inspired Scriptures. Enoch straight up tells you it is a parable, and basically so does this book (Visions, Similitudes, etc.) Hermas, here, represents Church leadership, and the woman, Rhoda, who is given by name in other translations, represents the Church congregation; the laity. In the Key to Christianity, I explain how Simon "Peter" represents Church leadership.
@sparkshot In Acts 12:13, we see a parallel. Here a servant girl named "Rhoda" hears Peter's voice and goes to tell the disciples before she even lets him in. This is symbolic of the reunion of the true Church leadership with the true (hearing) disciple after the Church has been converted--after its "shackles" have fallen off and the "prison doors" opened up, and an angel has guided it home, so to speak. Nevertheless, I digress.
@sparkshot What you see here is a progression in his affection for her, and in verse 5, a confession on the part of Hermas. He says, "...and I saw the woman which I had COVETED saluting me from heaven. That goes against the ten commandments--thou shalt not covet. You see, his true wife was talkative, and his true sons disobedient. Hermas is a little less than honest here when you look at it closely. In verse 8 he says, "Have I not ALWAYS reverenced thee as a SISTER.
@sparkshot That was not exactly true. He presumably knew her as he was growing up, lost her for a few years, saw her again, and his affection towards her began to grow. He first said he began to love her as a "sister," then he saw her beauty. (I imagine that as children, they may have even seen each other naked. It's hard to say why he would otherwise feel comfortable helping her out of the water when she was bathing!
@sparkshot I imagine that if I had a sister and saw her naked, I probably wouldn't think anything about it, but he certainly did.) He saw her naked, and tried to restrict his feelings to an admiration of her "beauty and manners," but his feelings progressed. After saying that he admired her for her "beauty and manners," he said "and not long AFTER this...I began to honor this creature of God."
@Apocryphile1970 - Suppose. if you start falling on love though tht initself isn't a sin, if he is fighting his thoughts isn't that the correct thing to do?
@sparkshot So if he began to feel this way AFTER he was thinking of her in terms of her "beauty and manners," it means that his feelings were intensifying. I guess the bottom line was that he had progressed all the way to covetousness by verse 5, and at best was trying to fight his feelings, but deep down they were there.
@Eahoueh4YahWeh It is all parabolic. In parables, the only "error" is reading anything on the purely literal level. Best to let the Bible interpret itself....
Apocryphile1970 11 months ago
@Eahoueh4YahWeh It is parabolic. Please, see it from a point of view higher than yourself.... The woman is the Church, is she not? This is revelation, not something to judge after the flesh! Listen to it all in its parabolic meaning. I uploaded it hoping that people could simply listen on the level of the parable. Hermas represents the Church, (i.e.--4:40)
Apocryphile1970 11 months ago
Thank you for putting these up for us. These writings and the writings of the Church are very dynamic, especially when they talk about Spiritual warfare.
That's what makes the Ancient Orthodox Church so Awesome is that it focuses more on the Spirit than on the Letter. For the letters are "Are weighty and powerful" (2 Cor 10:10).
And the Letters will kill you because of their power and weight:
"not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
(2 Cor 3:6)
mishakol129 1 year ago
why dont people make bibles with a new testament apocrypha section?
allrza 1 year ago
@allrza Why, because WE have determined they are not "Scripture," silly! WE cannot "taint" the truth with "lies," can we? Of course not. In fact, they must all be suppressed, because WE know better, and WE are better qualified to judge these matters than the Christian "Rabble." WE cannot be wrong, because WE are legion!
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@Apocryphile1970 lol
allrza 1 year ago
@allrza Of course, if WE had been living in the days of the prophets, WE would never have had a hand in the "Shedding of the Blood of the Prophets." We just build them their tombs, so to speak. Keep them in God's graveyard, subject to what WE are taught in the "Theological Cemetery."
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@allrza Okay, maybe a little thick on the sarcasm, but do me a favor, go into ANY Christian bookstore and ask for the Apocrypha, or even the "Lost Books of the Bible" and see their utter indignation. (Sometimes I do this just for fun.) These guys will tell you things like, "There ARE no "LOST BOOKS,"" or "You should go to the Catholic Bookstore," or "the secular bookstore." Truth is, they are convinced that they are right, and they are often quite smug and dismissive about it. Have fun!
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
thank you very much. i love your voice. i can never get tired of this.
da1976stone 1 year ago
@da1976stone Thanks. I'm glad you enjoy the word of God. I hope you don't mind if I remove the comment with your email address on it. I will send you a copy, though. Hope you enjoy it! :)
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
I can't find part 2 for some reason. :(
sparkshot 1 year ago
@sparkshot Okay, I just made a playlist and put up a link on Vision 1. That should let you autoplay :)
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
I've got this book on paper. It speaks alot of truth, but there is some error I think too. Weather it is real 'scripture' is questionable as it's apocrafull, but the bit at the start is what gets me the most. There is a massive difference between desiring a woman for marriage and lusting. So in these opening sequencies, I cannot see how he sinned. Any ideas? God designed us to desire a woman/man, otherwise the race would stop.
sparkshot 1 year ago
@sparkshot Well, I hope to get into that when I start to do the annotations. This book is parabolic like Enoch and the other inspired Scriptures. Enoch straight up tells you it is a parable, and basically so does this book (Visions, Similitudes, etc.) Hermas, here, represents Church leadership, and the woman, Rhoda, who is given by name in other translations, represents the Church congregation; the laity. In the Key to Christianity, I explain how Simon "Peter" represents Church leadership.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@Apocryphile1970 - Yeah i know that, I'm just unsure on the desire / sin thingy.
sparkshot 1 year ago
@sparkshot In Acts 12:13, we see a parallel. Here a servant girl named "Rhoda" hears Peter's voice and goes to tell the disciples before she even lets him in. This is symbolic of the reunion of the true Church leadership with the true (hearing) disciple after the Church has been converted--after its "shackles" have fallen off and the "prison doors" opened up, and an angel has guided it home, so to speak. Nevertheless, I digress.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@sparkshot What you see here is a progression in his affection for her, and in verse 5, a confession on the part of Hermas. He says, "...and I saw the woman which I had COVETED saluting me from heaven. That goes against the ten commandments--thou shalt not covet. You see, his true wife was talkative, and his true sons disobedient. Hermas is a little less than honest here when you look at it closely. In verse 8 he says, "Have I not ALWAYS reverenced thee as a SISTER.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@Apocryphile1970 - hang on, so your saying he already had a wife? that would make more sence if that's the case.
sparkshot 1 year ago
@sparkshot That was not exactly true. He presumably knew her as he was growing up, lost her for a few years, saw her again, and his affection towards her began to grow. He first said he began to love her as a "sister," then he saw her beauty. (I imagine that as children, they may have even seen each other naked. It's hard to say why he would otherwise feel comfortable helping her out of the water when she was bathing!
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@sparkshot I imagine that if I had a sister and saw her naked, I probably wouldn't think anything about it, but he certainly did.) He saw her naked, and tried to restrict his feelings to an admiration of her "beauty and manners," but his feelings progressed. After saying that he admired her for her "beauty and manners," he said "and not long AFTER this...I began to honor this creature of God."
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@Apocryphile1970 - Suppose. if you start falling on love though tht initself isn't a sin, if he is fighting his thoughts isn't that the correct thing to do?
sparkshot 1 year ago
@sparkshot So if he began to feel this way AFTER he was thinking of her in terms of her "beauty and manners," it means that his feelings were intensifying. I guess the bottom line was that he had progressed all the way to covetousness by verse 5, and at best was trying to fight his feelings, but deep down they were there.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
Amazing! Thanks so much man.
Beautiful book... gigantic too.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord Yeah, I've been meaning to get to it for a long time now. Hopefully much more to come!
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@Apocryphile1970
yeah! more please :D :D
smartwarlord 1 year ago