The Age of Transitions 2/9 (transhuman eugenics / genetics)

[circusOFprecision]

Being human and living a natural life is all I ask for. You trans-humanist fucks have your right to your opinions, but just know that the shit is sick in the head. Nature already has everything we need, we just don't obey the laws of nature very well. The old high technology was about harmony with nature. This new stuff is is just death and destruction except for the very rich.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision now, that's just technophobia right there.

Go burn down a factory, you Luddite.

If it were up to people like YOU, I'd be dead right now, thanks!

Modern medicine has saved my life.

I would just be a runt in a more primal society, but, I'm allowed to thrive, because, life is no longer about brutality.

In your world, and engineer like me would be dogfood.

But in the new world, I'm an alpha.

[circusOFprecision]

@AnonymousElektron

You've misinterpreted me, but that is partially my fault. Curing diseases and improving the quality of life for human beings is not even in the same ball park as the trans-humanist agenda. I am all for scientific progress. But you take it way too far in your techno-fantasy. Instead of learning how to exist in nature as we have come to be, we would rather bend the rules to our own way of seeing things and distort the picture to where we aren't even human anymore.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision ok, but what is human?

Infested with lice and scabies, huddled in a cave?

Maybe you don't think THAT, but it seems like the endpoint of your logic.

Humans are ALREADY so different from how we were 10,000, or even 100 years ago.

And, that, itself, IS the essence of humanity, adapting and growing.

Where do you draw the line, exactly?

Are pacemaker implants ok?

How about laser surgery to improve eyesight (or is that unnatural?)

What about a neuro-interface?

[circusOFprecision]

@AnonymousElektron

The ethics is beyond me, but here are some things I think about. We aren't the same as yesterday, and we've already combined technology with biology. Agreed. But a human is neither an experience or a biological organism. It's both, and more. And that more may some day include something like your singularity. But what is the point? To have 10,000 experiences in a flash? We don't even know the context of the meta-experience, let alone how to artificially reproduce it.

[circusOFprecision]

And if you look more closely at the esoteric traditions, you will also see that the biological computer is also producing an illusion. So basically you want to cheat time? What if you are just putting off the inevitable a virtual reality illusion? I mean, don't we already do that? Dreams? Visions? Trips? I see high technology in a different way, thus it has different implications for how we see and choose to accept/respect reality, not just understand how to manipulate nature.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision technology will be a great equalizer.

I can't wait until we're all wired in, because we'll have so much to look forward to.

The human MIND is what has value, not the hardware that it runs on.

The delicate, hardware of the brain, that decays and rots with the body, over time.

It's heartbreaking to watch people you love rot away, dying a little more each day, right under your nose.

And, it doesn't have to be that way.

[circusOFprecision]

@AnonymousElektron

Is the human mind a continuously fed loop of quantum entangled electrical particles running through neural networks? So if the input ceases, the machine disappears, thus the mind disappears...no? Where in thinking about all of this does it translate to you the essence of a particular human mind can translate into electrical activity in a circuit board? I understand the idea of new input being available now...and...? It just seems like an illusion.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision I think you may be reading a bit too much into what I said.

So, I will clarify:

We don't have the technology to do that, but, I believe that it is well within our grasp.

The brain and the mind exist solely in the physical world, and could, with enough processing power, be emulated, just as we emulate other machines.

One day, it will hopefully be possible to live lives of near perfection.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision you may be a bit turned off by our optimism, and I will admit I get starry-eyed just thinking about it -- BUT THERE'S SO MUCH TO THINK ABOUT

Your mind is just software, the hardware is unimportant.

Imagine being able to transfer yourself to a computer, and live 10,000 lives in the blink of an eye.

With enough processing power, you'd never have to make a decision, you could just fork yourself and experience the outcome of both paths.

THAT is enlightenment.

[circusOFprecision]

@AnonymousElektron

Haha! Go burn down a factory? Good one. Well, I am an engineer myself. Our paths diverge in that you are chasing the dream of sustained and controlled material reality for the sake of personal human experience. But I see that as just vastly prolonging the illusion that we are already facing. You can't cheat death, that would mean a simulation of your brain that was infinite in actuality.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision I love the fact that, at the age of 25, I am seen as more evolutionarily worthy than some jock scumbag who used to torment me in highschool.

Translation: I can get chicks, because I have my shit together.

And epilepsy would have reduced my brain to mush years ago without modern treatment.

If it were up to YOU, we'd die of malaria and cholera, and the our biggest problem would be where our next meal is coming from, and we'd hope that at least one of our children survived.

[ksym]

I totally support developments such as this. Human enhancement is the future.

[Myredeemeriscoming]

Mans drive to be God is killing humanity. Funny how godless mankind strives to attain pefection , eternal life, and the perfect world. when all of that has been promised through Jesus christ. How ironic that manwould strive to be God only tobring about destruction.

[AnonymousElektron]

@Myredeemeriscoming you're just a stupid luddite, and, I think, unless you repent, and take us inside of you, your pattern will be lost forever.

We'll see what happens, but, I don't plan on dying, I plan on living forever, forever being an abstraction that your puny mind can grasp.

I will be merged with the machine, and attain perfection, we all will, we'll have heaven, right here.

This is how we get it.

[Thundralight]

Talking about living forever in a computer what happens if someone erases your files or unplugs you

[AnonymousElektron]

@Thundralight shut up.

You think you're clever, but you're not, you're just stupid.

Of course things can always go wrong, but so what??

[HardcoreAtheist20]

We need eugenics, do u need proof? just look at all the fat people, addicts, criminals, ignorant morons, people that can not grasp the concept of reality!!

[circusOFprecision]

@HardcoreAtheist20

Eugenics leads to extinction, so I guess that is the concept of reality you would wish them to grasp...death for all. Very interesting.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision only extinction of the unworthy.

I'm all for excising bad patterns.

[circusOFprecision]

@AnonymousElektron

Ideas like "bad patterns" are human constructs. The universe could care less. What survives is what survives. There is no rhyme or reason, only the fact that living things must hold certain attributes and be in a particular relationship to the environment if they want to thrive. But what those certainties and particulars are...? Well, they are beyond the foresight of human beings, that is for damn sure. Eugenics itself is a "bad pattern", but if it can happen, it will.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision eugenics is a good thing, it may be our only hope.

It's a bit primitive now, but it's philosophically correct.

As I've said, it got a bad rap because of people who've abused it in the past.

[circusOFprecision]

@AnonymousElektron

Oh and by the way, you will probably be one of the people that a eugenics program like this would target. Better learn how to lick android butt hole.

[AnonymousElektron]

@circusOFprecision selected for what? Not breeding?

It's not like I'd be exterminated, or something.

And I'm quite useful.

I've done very well for myself, all things considered, I think.

[ovandocarter]

good, i want to be transhuman

[eyhexs]

im personally working on a rogue malevolent general AI initiative;.

we hit our second major project milestone just last month

[philnoll]

This video kicks ass.

Imagine what war will be like when all the countries have technologies.

But strategically, unification of the continents, and liquidation of the borders is necessary. If we don't design these machines, someone else will - and they will kick our asses with them.

[philnoll]

@philnoll

Then again...Maybe we're already in the Matrix.

Perhaps its God at the helm.

Or maybe... it was Egyptians who discovered the technology, and kept it under wraps, passed on from Knight to Mason to Senator Kerry.

Maybe we are all under the influence of the aliens from Nibiru.

I don't know What exactly is going down.

But it is going down right now.

Thanks for the vids

[tangel476]

@philnoll

The Venus Project is a start

[BoyintheMachine]

Why didn't the maker of this documentary just call it by it's normal name, The Technological Singulairty. Who cares what Newt Gringrinch tried to rename it "The Age Of Transitions". LOL

[eiffuy]

Has no one heard of skynet???

[phospheneca]

DARPA makes skynet look like tin cans with strings

[funwjoshnjenn]

I doubt I'd agree much with Bush and Gingrich, but I dont yet see the problem with eugenics and transhumanism here

[Sinuev1]

I'm still in the process of watching the entire video series, so forgive me if I'm speaking out on an issue already addressed.

From what I've seen so far, and other videos by this author, I get the impression that he feels the merger with technology is a new concept. It is not, and has been with us ever since we first learned how to use bone and rock tools... since we (or the Neanderthals) learned how to tame fire, sew furs for clothing, and carve the first wheels.

[Sinuev1]

Humanity is utterly dependent on our technology and knowledge. Without it, we would be no better off than our great ape cousins. Even they use base technology to build nests (gorillas) or fish for termites (chimps).

We have already merged with technology, because the vast majority of our lives depend upon it. Integrating it with our bodies is only an incremental step, not a radical leap. We are truly In for a penny, in for a pound.

[Sinuev1]

What is writing but a simplistic form of memory extension and voice extension? What is language but a technology invented to transfer thoughts from one mind to another? What are telecommunications and the internet but a means of augmenting the human voice - allowing one to shout across the globe faster than a book can travel?

And what, intrinsically, would be the difference between relying on language and communication technologies - and brain augmentation to allow thought transfer and storage

[SailorBarsoom]

FWIW, Bush's bioethics adviser, Francis Fukuyama, is opposed to just about everything transhumanists believe in, stand for, and work to achieve.

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

shut up

[kingkoopa232]

too bad the average man will only be able to dream about this technology

[SailorBarsoom]

Technology starts off expensive and then gets cheap. The first computers were the size of a house, used so much electricity that an entire city's lights dimmed when one of them was switched on, were less powerful than some of today's wrist watches, and cost millions of dollars.

Now the children of working-class parents have cell phones that would have put all of NASA to shame in 1969.

The average man will have the tech. The rich will have it first, but the average man will have it.

[kingkoopa232]

yea thats true but i think they wont want us to live for ever and wont give us the tech

[jonxjquee]

it will find it's way into our hands, the best way to integrate tech with the human body would be with nanotech which would have to be able to reproduce itself in the bloodstream meaning it could be the next std but instead of sickness it brings health

[dmj481]

You miss out supression of technology.......the fact the rich as you put it and the companies they own have to recoup research and development......how long will we have to wait, why should we wait......when the main objective is profit etc

[SailorBarsoom]

Did Bill Gates become a billionaire when only the very rich could afford computers, or after they became available to the middle class?

The more you can sell to, the richer you get.

[dmj481]

That's something completely different....in everyway ;) And yes the technology in that sphere is held back, and not just for research and development costs.

[dmj481]

Just because you sell something and make a huge profit off of it, doesn't mean it is the best in technology and build available. I think you are missing the point ;)

[SailorBarsoom]

It doesn't make it the best in technology, but it means a lot of people are buying, which happens when the price comes down.

[LastReplaySC]

200'000 years of being human just means to fight and destroy for survival, just like a virus or a bacteria does!No big secret there, nothing has ever changed that, we as a species have only exponentially become more successful at doing this through history!The development an d success is merely causing us to use up resources and space in the process right up until the point of finitism limits of the planet.

[pokerdan85]

this is 666!

[SailorBarsoom]

The Bible says that the Mark of the Beast will be in the right hand or the forehead.

So put your chip behind the ear. No MotB. The Bible says so.

[bigupz2u]

I'm pro-transhumanism. We must be the change we want, seek and desire. No point debating issues endlessly. Let's change for the better.

[BrutusCass]

Maybe they should work on improving government and economic structure first! They could do this in a quite low tech manner. We should at least learn to be human and understand humanity before we dehumanise it.