I guess Greeks went back in time and "paid" your own national heroes too? "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?
"However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation."
Barbara Jelavich, "History of the Balkans", vol. 2;Cambridge University Press, 1983, p.91
So, we should to believe to Kiro only because he was our first president? What about your citizens?
"It was an illusion to think that ancient Macedonians were Greeks"
[M. Karagatsis (1908-1960)]
Prince Otto, first king of Greece, when he first time arrived in Athena and Peloponnesus, he said: "These are completely different people than we expected. We expected to find some ancient people, but we found only immigrants from Africa."
Are you serious?Gligorof was a president and not only a citizen!What a idiot argument!The opinion of a president has bigger meaning than citizens because he is the responsible of a country's politic!
Second:Karagatsis was a communist who followed the official line of all the communist parties of the world for this subject!Don't forget that,communists of Yugoslavia created this problem!
And the Otto spoke metaphorically and he wanted to show the story state of Greeks in 1830's
Gligorov was right hand of Tito, and he has Serbian feelings... He didn't feel himself as Macedonian, but Yugoslavian (Slav) and he told only his own opinion... How I already said, he was no historian, nor archaeologist, nor linguist, just usual man with own thinking. If Gligorov was liked a lot by the Macedonians, why then the Macedonians tried to kill him after that lie report about us? He survived very lucky, and that was because he betrayed Macedonian and the Macedonians!
This is your official propaganda for him after the statement and the truth denys you because as i said he is the person who freed you from Yugoslavia in 1992!If he was the right hand of Serbians why he gived you the freedom from them?
And thanks for your confirmation about the humans rights in your fascist country!!!
Whoever has a different opinion from you,he must to die...i puty you for the trying of murder!!
Now,who is the real fascist in Balcan?Probaply FYROM!
How you dare to speak about the human rights? What about the Macedonian minority in Aegean Macedonia?
Human Rights Watch / Helsinki
Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece, New York, 1994
The Helsinki Watch has, therefore, confirmed that the Macedonians indeed exist in Greece as a large minority. Helsinki Watch found the Greek government guilty for oppressing the Macedonian minority and demanded they be given their basic human rights to which they are entitled.
You are the people,who always speak about human rights and you blame always Greece about them in internet and now you show with the trying of president's murder who is the real guilty here!
Macedonian minority?Where is it?If i go to Watch/Helsinki and i declare allien,then the organization has the obligation to defend me!
In Greece Macedonians declare proud Greeks and not minority!And the greek elections shows every time that macedonian minority is non-existed!
How is possible to be founded Macedonian minority there when your country after the treaty of Bucharest 1913, forbited everything that is Macedonian, the language, customs, the names of the Macedonians etc. The Greeks made a genocide in Kilkis over Macedonians and in the other places in Aegean Macedonia and drive out great number of Macedonians. I have a lot of Aegean friends here, that their family suffered by your fascist system and now they live free here in Macedonia.
From 1913 until now Greece protect Macedonia and its history,culture,name,ect and that's why we fight against you now!!Because we want to save it from you and your country!
Please,read the real history and leave the nationalistic opinion of your leaders!
Nobody quote a genoside against you in Greece in 1913!
And only Greeks,Bulgarians,Serbians and Turks participated to the Balcan Wars!Where are you then?Why no treaty and no historical book of this era quote you?
You want to save the territory that occupied from us from my country? I understand, you made a genocide there over Macedonians, you drive great number of Macedonians out, and the Macedonians that continue to live there were oppressed to not speak Macedonian and renamed his names to Greek names. And now you want to protect by us... Poor brainwashed heads.
And we were still under Turkish ruling, that's why the Macedonians were not there to protect the country.
In 1913 Greece freed Macedonia from the Ottoman slavery and now Macedonia is under rightful owners!
Ans i repeat nobody in the world quote a genoside against you in my country during Balcan Wars of 1913,even the Turks!!
And your argument about your slavery by Turks is silly because many people are under tyrants today and always but we know them and the history wrote for them!
Our subject was the President Gligorog and not the minorities in Greece!
But this is your usual system!When you have not something else to say or you come in difficult position,then you change the subject and you start your poem against Greece again!!
You are the biggest joke in Balcan,Europe and the world!!
I know how to speak, don't worry... You mess the word "human rights" and insult my country that we denied the human rights here so I am duty to protect the truth. What about Kiro? I already told you about him, he is not historian, nor archaeologist, just communist traitor of Macedonia.
What about Karagatsis, Dimaras, king Otto etc. You just denied their claims about your nation with saying: "Karagatsis was a communist" and "King Otto spoke on rethoric form", please be serious...
You and the truth are two different things and i don't insult anybody because many organizations support my opinion like the "Helsinki" and E.U.You must to leave your fanatism and see what its say about your "human rights"!
In Greece,we respect the right of opinion and that's why we don't kill persons like Karagatsis or Dimaras,like you!
And you denied the claims of your President with the same lies and curses!!
No historian...bla,bla,bla!Do you are a historian?Probaply not!
And many organizations support my opinion to, on a difference of you that paid to the journalists 130 millions to spread propaganda against Macedonia and promote fake "Greekness of Macedonia". And we don't killed nobody, Gligorov is still alive, 92 years old, and nobody knows who was guilty about assassin trying to kill him. And yes, I am not historian, but and Kiro and you are not historians to... Karamanslis fired one of his work members because he confirmed the truth...
The reality denys you because if Greece hade the money and the power to do that then you wouldn't have not even one article from Helsinki!!
And we don't need to pay because the historians,universities,historical books,cultural magazines and channels support the Greekness of Macedonia without money and that because it is the truth!
Trying learn what the History and NG channel say on its documentaries!!!!
Greek Helsinki on the Macedonian Minority in Greece
The Macedonian minority remained unrecognized by the Greek government and consequently faced various forms of harassment and discrimination. Ethnic Macedonian associations and particularly the "Rainbow" political party, continued to face difficulties. Established in September 1995, "Rainbow" was attacked by local Greek extremists, including the mayor of Florina, and hindered from operating freely.
Before you talk about Greece,look what happens in your country!Remember the 500.000 Albanians and the war of 2001 between you and them!Remember the supervisors from Europe to your "democratic" elections!Remember Vasco,Marina,Papouli,RADCO...and the trying of murder against your president!
Learn that,you have not the right to talk about these fact and you do that because you are trying to cover your miserable reality!!
What about the 500.000 illegal emigrant Albanians from Kosovo? The Serbians made genocide over them, so NATO attack Serbia and saved him. We accepted Albanians from Kosovo and saved by the Serbian genocide. And what they did for "thank you"? They started a war against us, and we only protected our villages and churches that Albanians burned it. We never killed an ethnic Albanian, but just terrorists. They massacred 8 defenders from my city... Don't tell me you love Albanians please...
500.000 indigenous minority of Albanians??? It's madness!!! I swear on my ancestors it's not truth, Believe me, in Republic of Macedonia before 2001 live no more than 5% Albanians. It's fact that Albanians came from Kosovo in 2001 in great number of half million. Maybe you don't believe me but I swear I speak the truth...
I am not nationalist like you, I just love my country and try to protect the truth from people as you. And you just tell me about some statistics and articles which I am sure you get it from some Albanian propagandists... Don't be silly and look at the truth in the eyes. The Albanians were emigrants from Kosovo, that our former president Boris Trajkovski accept here (RIP him), and they became a war against us, so we had to protect our villages and churches!
We are not fascist and racists as you, I never cold you else but Greek, you all the time call me "Moron", "Fyromian", etc. I love Greece, and Greek people, but I don't like the Greek politicians and nationalists who denied our identity. And what 20@ ethnic Albanians in 1991, what bullshits... I already said you to send me a link of that, but you didn't, of course, that document don't exist. It exist only in your head.
The situation regarding the Macedonian minority, for instance, is "terrible." "The situation we found was worse than we were expecting, because specifically in some areas where the Macedonian language is spoken, that language is not allowed at all in public.
Radio Free Europe, 26 November 2002
"If Greece is the cradle of the democracy, than the cradle is broken!"
- Victor Friedman after the incident of the publishing the first Macedonian-Greek
And don't also talk about minorities too because you are the country of minorities!
500.000 Albanians,300.000 Greeks,100.000 Serbians,100.000 Bulgarians,100.000 Turks,75.000 Roma live in your fake country!
Probaply,you must to defende your rights in your country first because you are minority in your own country...ha,ha,ha....only 900.000 from the 2.000.000 people in FYROM...ha,ha,ha!!!!!!
What???!!! 900 000 other minority by 2.2 millions of people? What a biggest joke ever told... hahahahahaha thanks Greek, you made me lough hahaahah :D you are the most funniest Greek that I ever met. You should go to a adition about "the funniest man of the world" I guess you will get it :)
You tell bullshit, that number exist only in your brainwashed head.
In your country live 4 millions Albanians and 2 millions emigrants from Asia, don't speak about minority please...
Yes,you are only 900.000 by 2.2 milion of your population!The number is real!
You consider that you are over 60% of your population because you are pressing the 300.000 Greeks and 100.000 Bulgarians to declare Monkeydonians!I remind you again the cases of Papouli,Mitrova,RADCO!!
With this method,you are the "majority"
Give the rights to all the people in FYROM and espesially in 300.000 Greeks!!
And we have emigrants and not indigenous minorities like you!!
We pressing the 300.000 Greeks and 100.000 Bulgarians? What a joke! I know only few people here that consider themselves as Bulgarians, one of them is our former minister Ljupco Gorgievski... And I don't know even one Greek here. When the Greeks and the Bulgarians come to this lands? How our country press them? Please remember, we are not like you, we give rights to all other ethic nations here, you can get example of Romes, we never press them to consider themselves as Macedonians.
You have a selective briefing but i' m not surprised from that because the whole world knows that you have not human rights in your country!
The organization "RADCO" of FYROM say that it have 100.000 citizens of FYROM who declare Bulgarians and the "Greek Human Rights in FYROM" 300.000 citizens who declare Greeks!Take a look in internet or the articles of EU and Helsinki!
And then you discover the real world.....ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!!
ha ha ha, what a joke! Can you send me a link of that? I am sure you can't because that information is only in your brainwashed head. And we have "Rainbow" political party there to defend the rights of the Macedonians in Greece (the occupied territory). What political party have Greeks and Bulgarians here, if they exist? Don't tell me that we oppress them, because if that is true, we should to oppress and Albanians to, but we don't. How I said, we are not like you!
Moron...Open your eyes and take a look in internet!It is full from the sites of Radco and the Greek rights in FYROM's teams!!
And the "Rainbow" shows that in Greece all the citizens have rights!If we are racists,why we permit its existance?Contradiction again in your myth!!
And our people can't have their own party in your fake country because as i said you oppress them always!That's why!And you were pressing Albanians,then and now!The albanian parties report you constantly!
We oppress them??? We gave a full right to all the citizens without what identity they are. The Albanians have 2 big political parties: DUI with the leader Ali Ahmeti and DPA with the leader Menduh Tachi, the Romes with the leader Amdi Bajram, the Vlachs with the leader Nano Ruzin. How we oppress them??? We don't insult to the Albanians to speak their mother language as you Greeks forbite to the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia (the territory occupied by Greece since 1913)
Do you remember that at your elections there are always riggings and foreign supervisors ought to come in order you to have correct elections?
Do you also remember the reports of all those parties against you in EU and UN?
In real and free region of Macedonia,as the rest of Greece,we don't have phenomena like this and as you said all the citizens have their parties and correct participation at our elections!!
Yes, I remember... The incident was made by the Albanians. What could we do? We tried to have democratic elections but it's not possible with citizens as Albanians.
And where are the rights there of the Albanians, Asians, Romes, Vlachs etc.? As I said, you want clear Greek race, and oppress them to consider themselves as Greeks. What can you do else... Today is 21th century, you can't make them a genocide as you already did over the Macedonians after 1913...
You don't remember because the supervisors support that you are trying to stop Albanians to participate at the elections!They also quote the disortion of the results in the albanian regions of your country from you!
Roma in Greece have all the rights of voters and they participate without problems!They just don't want their own party!Vlachs are part of Greek nation and they don't also have problems!They have many members in Greek parliament like the other Greeks!
Stop with your nationalistic thinks about our relations with the Albanians here. We gave to him everything. The Albanian language in the schools, many Albanians in the parliament, we allow them to build mosques etc etc. Why did you gave to the Albanians and the other minorities there??? NOTING! And what the Vlachs could did else, when you don't admit them as minority...
So, you denied that Albanians have full rights here? What a nationalist! We even gave them a right to speak Albanian language in the parliament, TV programs on Albanian language, Albanian schools etc etc. And you denied all these things... It's mine to tell you the truth, but it's yours to denied that...
I don't deny all those but i say that Albanian minority reports that your racism against them or to other minorities still exist and the application of the rigts is not very good always!
And i quote your hypocrise because you gave all those rights after the war of 2001 and the interference of EU and USA!
Can you explain me that why the foreigns supervisors still exist at your elections?What means that?As i said look what EU support for you,when you want to becam members!
We gave all those rights after 2001 because before 2001 they were minority for a 5%, noting more... And when they left from Kosovo, and survive from the Serbian genocide, they came here in 2001 and became a war against us, so we were forced to give them these rights... I know you don't believe and still claim that they already were 25% minority before 2001, but what can I do? I am just honest and tell the truth and you denied all my words...
I still write because I am right! And Albanians are emigrants here, as the other nations, but how I said, we are not like you, and we gave them everything. It's too bad for you that today we are 21th century and you can't make a genocide over the minorities in Greece, as you made over the Macedonians after 1913 in the territory of Macedonia that already occupied and took with the peace treaty of Bucharest!
That number is more truth than your claiming that in Macedonia live 900.000 Macedonians by 2.2 millions population. I don't claim that only with my thinking... One Greek Jorgos from Thessaloniki told me that, but how is possible to find 4 millions Albanians and 2 millions Asians in Greece, when your country press them and want only Greek Homogenous race to live there. That's why you made genocide over the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia especially in Kukush (Kilkis).
What Bulgarians? They were Macedonians like me, they were ethnic Macedonians and you made a genocide over them and drove out the rest of the Macedonian population of Macedonia, and the worst was for the Macedonians that continue to live there, in a occupied territory by you since 1913... And even if they were Bulgarians (of course they were not), you made a genocide over them and showed to the world your real face. Shame on you!
I'm gland with this comment because as you see,you do the same thing with which you blame Greece!
You deny the existance and the rights of 400.000(Bulgarians,Greeks) in your country!You first are rasist and fascist in this area!But you dare to talk only against Greeks!!!!!!!!
But those people exist in FYROM and the Watch/Helsinki do report about them too!And E.U advise your country to give freedom and rights to all your citizens,if you want to becam members!!
I am nor fascist nor racist, but Macedonian who try to protect the identity. Why am I fascist and racist? When I insult you and Greece? You all the time call my country FYROM and don't recognize my identity. Who is now racist? And you just speak about some 400.000 Bulgarians and Greeks in Macedonia with no facts, but just own thinking. I already told you, if they people exist here, they would have a political party as we Macedonians have there in the occupied territory - "RAINBOW".
Yes you are,when you don't recognize the existance of Greeks in FYROM and you deny to take a look on internet,which have many articles of different organizations for them!
You can key the terms "RADCO"and"Greek human rights in FYROM" and you will see the truth face to face!
If you dare,do it now!
And i don't insult your country with the name FYROM because this is your real name now!
And others call you with this name not only Greeks!
The fascist is the guy who named someone other with name that he is not as you cold me racist and fascist.
Don't speak to me about some "RADCO" and "Greek human rights in..." it's only your propaganda.
As I said, we gave full rights to the other ethic people here like: Albanians, Romes, Vlachs etc. and they have their own political parties. And where are the Greeks and Bulgarians here? If they exist they would have their own political parties as the other nationalities have here...
I already told you many times! We gave all rights to the minorities here like: Albanians, Romes, Vlachs, Serbs etc etc. I don't see any reason why we wouldn't give the same rights to the Greeks and Bulgarians if they live here. They not exist here! If they exist, they would have a political parties as Albanians, Romes and Vlachs have! And sure I don't like to read on internet your propaganda about some minority of Bulgarians and Greeks here... It's just one your fake propaganda!
Propaganda?We talk with names and facts and the organizations confirm our words!The case of Papouli,Mitrova and Vasco is published on the reports of Watch/Helsinki and the European Parliament!
Ok,you deny to see the truth and this is normal for a nationalist like you!
As i said,if you recognize these minorities,then your people lost your majority in FYROM and second,you consider that it is not good to have minorities from your 2 big enemies!
Send me please some parts of that your organizations because I will send you mine:
The situation regarding the Macedonian minority, for instance, is "terrible." "The situation we found was worse than we were expecting, because specifically in some areas where the Macedonian language is spoken, that language is not allowed at all in public.
I showed my arguments and posts... You deny: "Karnegian Balkan commission", "Radio Free Europe", "The Times (London), 6th January 1997, p. 12.", "Canadian Historical Society" and what can I do else??? I send you many proofs yo didn't send me noting... Why I should to continue with debating? I am tired to explain you the truth and you deny all that...
I'm not deny these but i explore with elemants!I wrote many sourses(List of Genosides-UN,books,the official website of your country,ect)but you don't want to accept the reality!What can i do else too!
Macedonians do exist! Our community is maintained through hundreds of associations, churches, Macedonian language classes, youth and senior groups, etc. Today, Macedonians enjoy full national rights in the Republic of Macedonia, Yugoslavia. However, Macedonians are denied their rights in Greece, Bulgaria
and Albania.
The New York Times (Monday, July 17, 1989)
What about these??? Is "The New York Times" our propaganda too???
Sorry,but this "our community" is the opinion of the american journalist of the newspapers?Do you can understand that this text just is the answer of a politician or citizen of your country or a published article of your country?
It is easy to understand that this 'our community'is the words of a member of your country!
And yes they were Bulgarians and nobody quote a genoside against them!
History confirm the exchange of populations between Greece-Bulgaria in 1916!
And many of them left Greece after the Greek civil war(1945-1949)when the communists lost!Many Bulgarians were communists and they left Greece for the communist countries as many Greeks communists too!
You talk without elemants but with your myths!You are brainless!!
Ministerial Council for Research into South-Eastern Europe
The most typical examples of forced migration of Macedonians are to be found in eastern Macedonia, where Greek terrorist bands killed 29 and imprisoned 3,100 Macedonians and expelled 600 Macedonian families across the borders - and this in the period from February to the end of March 1945 alone. The situation was no different in the other areas of Aegean Macedonia.
This organization belonge to you and your Academy of sciences and arts!
It support your theory and this is expected!
Do you have a real documents?I have!!
"When the Turks and Bulgarians left,Macedonia remained a purely greek region"(Henry Morgenthan Serving in Greece between 1925-1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations)
Thus, the Serbs, the Bulgarians and the Greeks succeeded in partitioning Macedonia among themselves in 1913 with the treaty of Bucharest, and with this act most of ancient Macedonia was incorporated into the Greek state for the first time. Ever since partitioning Macedonia among themselves in 1913 with the treaty of Bucharest, Greece has fervently attempted to stamp a permanent Hellenic imprint on this land.
Sunday, November 30th, 2003, the Canadian Historical Society
One hundred or so years later, we are still discussing the Macedonian question
which should be obvious by now that it cannot be solved without the
participation of the Macedonian people.
The legacy of Berlin subjected Macedonia to three new tyrants (Greeks,
Serbians and Bulgarians) who began a violent assimilation program and a long period of brutal oppression to a point of genocide, which has lasted to this day.
This article is not an article of a journalist of Times but an article of your government which published then!
If you read newspapers,then you can see many people or organizations or countries to published their own articles in big newspapers for their reasons!
Don't try anymore becausa i'm sure for that you can't find a document which is not derives from you!
And the list of genosides of UN don't include your myth!
I can not find the paper to write you because all the villages here were burned, and all the people expelled. We have burned their villages and now we can not find one. I must tell you that we are close to the old Bulgarian borders. We OCCUPIED the whole Aegean Macedonia, without Thrace.
Karnegian Balcan Commission refered to the Balcans Wars and the battles and action of Bulgarians,Serbians,Greeks against Turks!I read this report and i'm sure it don't quote a separate macedonian nation,who expelled!The people of the region of Macedonia were Greeks,Bulgarians,Serbians,Turks,Jews and Albanians!Read the books "Pictures of the Balcans"-John Fraser,"Travel in European Turkey"-Edmund Spencer!It quote just people(Bulgarians,Turks,what?)!
Karnegian Balkan Commision refered the truth! The parts that I show you were not my claiming, but Karnegian... They clearly wrote Greeks burned the Macedonian villages and houses with the people there...
And i explaine you that the Karnegian refered to the Balcan Wars and it quoted the action of all those who participated to the war against Turks!And the macedonians villages were with regional meaning!And it refered to the people without ethnicity!Read the books which i wrote here!
Stay well, like me. I received your letter that made me happy. But I received one letter of Aristides to, which writes that they recruited and I suffering and I am sad because you can not imagine what happens in war. Macedonian villages were burned along with the people inside, and we burn the fires and do worse things than Bulgarians.
I say again these texts can't prove your myth because they don't refer to a separate macedonian nation!I know,you use this "macedonian villages"but the term has regional meaning because the reports refer to the region of Macedonia,which is province of Ottomans in this era and not country!
Read the books "History of the Balcans"-Cambridge University Press and "The Early Medieval Balcans"-John Van Antwerp!
And read the lists of genoside of UN!Its don't confirm your "Story".
i just wonder.. why bulgarians can perfectly understand when "macedonians" talk?
serbians too.!!!
futhermore...why isnt possible for people in skopje to read the books from around the world?? and only from local historicans?
BullshitBlocker 1 year ago
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grkotzorba 1 year ago
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grkotzorba 1 year ago
One more greek lie. This is in Albania. He said that cuz you can't lie to us. That Slavadonian knows the truth. Deal with it.
Basazotti 2 years ago
Kirco , a be gi bankrotira grcive, mnogu si im naplatil, za reklamiranjevo.
Greece bankrot, pukna bankata.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Looks Like Greeks Payed a lot of money to this wanker for him to lie. Hahahahahahaha
Was it US$5,000 or more from the Greek propaganda Money...
bhrisrov1 2 years ago
@bhrisrov1
I guess Greeks went back in time and "paid" your own national heroes too? "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?
GemistusPletho 4 months ago
"However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation."
Barbara Jelavich, "History of the Balkans", vol. 2;Cambridge University Press, 1983, p.91
vetvetja99 2 years ago
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grkotzorba 2 years ago
Mr Barak Obama say
We are hellases, we are not Americans,we are not related with Americans.
We are Hellases , and we come in 19 century from Peloponez.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Ќе цркне ли веќе копилево еднорого,матер да му ебам комунистичко-шовинистичка !!
сите ќе не надживее крв му ебам
проклетничка
CasperMKD 2 years ago
Vo Moskovskata biblioteka ima natpis od 16 vek :
" Nie go zboruvame jazikot na antickite Makedonci"
A pastetava e Sloven od Slovenija, ili hermafrodit kako grcive, pola Sloven od Slovenija pola Makedonec od Makedonija.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Kiro Gligorov... What is he to confirm that we have no connection with ancient
Macedonians...?
Is he:
- A historian ?
- A geneticist ??
- A linguist ???
- Maybe he is an archaeologist ????
... the truth is that he is NONE of these! He is just communist traitor with Serbian feelings!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You are very funny!!
He is your first President,the man who freed you from Yugoslavia and then you called him hero!
But after this statement he is a traitor...ha,ha,ha!
He is a man who said the truth with the other logical people in the world!
And with him,many more politicians from your country,historians,geneticists,linguists and others support the same opinion!
You are Slavs,you speak a slavic dialect and you are the same with Bulgarians!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
So, we should to believe to Kiro only because he was our first president? What about your citizens?
"It was an illusion to think that ancient Macedonians were Greeks"
[M. Karagatsis (1908-1960)]
Prince Otto, first king of Greece, when he first time arrived in Athena and Peloponnesus, he said: "These are completely different people than we expected. We expected to find some ancient people, but we found only immigrants from Africa."
So, should we believe to Karagatsis and Otto to?
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Are you serious?Gligorof was a president and not only a citizen!What a idiot argument!The opinion of a president has bigger meaning than citizens because he is the responsible of a country's politic!
Second:Karagatsis was a communist who followed the official line of all the communist parties of the world for this subject!Don't forget that,communists of Yugoslavia created this problem!
And the Otto spoke metaphorically and he wanted to show the story state of Greeks in 1830's
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Gligorov was right hand of Tito, and he has Serbian feelings... He didn't feel himself as Macedonian, but Yugoslavian (Slav) and he told only his own opinion... How I already said, he was no historian, nor archaeologist, nor linguist, just usual man with own thinking. If Gligorov was liked a lot by the Macedonians, why then the Macedonians tried to kill him after that lie report about us? He survived very lucky, and that was because he betrayed Macedonian and the Macedonians!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
This is your official propaganda for him after the statement and the truth denys you because as i said he is the person who freed you from Yugoslavia in 1992!If he was the right hand of Serbians why he gived you the freedom from them?
And thanks for your confirmation about the humans rights in your fascist country!!!
Whoever has a different opinion from you,he must to die...i puty you for the trying of murder!!
Now,who is the real fascist in Balcan?Probaply FYROM!
alevas29 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
And after this statement how dare you to blame Greece for the human rights?Hypocrise!!!!!!!!!!
You are unbelievable......
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
How you dare to speak about the human rights? What about the Macedonian minority in Aegean Macedonia?
Human Rights Watch / Helsinki
Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece, New York, 1994
The Helsinki Watch has, therefore, confirmed that the Macedonians indeed exist in Greece as a large minority. Helsinki Watch found the Greek government guilty for oppressing the Macedonian minority and demanded they be given their basic human rights to which they are entitled.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You are the people,who always speak about human rights and you blame always Greece about them in internet and now you show with the trying of president's murder who is the real guilty here!
Macedonian minority?Where is it?If i go to Watch/Helsinki and i declare allien,then the organization has the obligation to defend me!
In Greece Macedonians declare proud Greeks and not minority!And the greek elections shows every time that macedonian minority is non-existed!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas
How is possible to be founded Macedonian minority there when your country after the treaty of Bucharest 1913, forbited everything that is Macedonian, the language, customs, the names of the Macedonians etc. The Greeks made a genocide in Kilkis over Macedonians and in the other places in Aegean Macedonia and drive out great number of Macedonians. I have a lot of Aegean friends here, that their family suffered by your fascist system and now they live free here in Macedonia.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
From 1913 until now Greece protect Macedonia and its history,culture,name,ect and that's why we fight against you now!!Because we want to save it from you and your country!
Please,read the real history and leave the nationalistic opinion of your leaders!
Nobody quote a genoside against you in Greece in 1913!
And only Greeks,Bulgarians,Serbians and Turks participated to the Balcan Wars!Where are you then?Why no treaty and no historical book of this era quote you?
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas
You want to save the territory that occupied from us from my country? I understand, you made a genocide there over Macedonians, you drive great number of Macedonians out, and the Macedonians that continue to live there were oppressed to not speak Macedonian and renamed his names to Greek names. And now you want to protect by us... Poor brainwashed heads.
And we were still under Turkish ruling, that's why the Macedonians were not there to protect the country.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
In 1913 Greece freed Macedonia from the Ottoman slavery and now Macedonia is under rightful owners!
Ans i repeat nobody in the world quote a genoside against you in my country during Balcan Wars of 1913,even the Turks!!
And your argument about your slavery by Turks is silly because many people are under tyrants today and always but we know them and the history wrote for them!
Example:Palaistinians,Osetians,ect!!
Read history again!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
And learn to talk!
Our subject was the President Gligorog and not the minorities in Greece!
But this is your usual system!When you have not something else to say or you come in difficult position,then you change the subject and you start your poem against Greece again!!
You are the biggest joke in Balcan,Europe and the world!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
I know how to speak, don't worry... You mess the word "human rights" and insult my country that we denied the human rights here so I am duty to protect the truth. What about Kiro? I already told you about him, he is not historian, nor archaeologist, just communist traitor of Macedonia.
What about Karagatsis, Dimaras, king Otto etc. You just denied their claims about your nation with saying: "Karagatsis was a communist" and "King Otto spoke on rethoric form", please be serious...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You and the truth are two different things and i don't insult anybody because many organizations support my opinion like the "Helsinki" and E.U.You must to leave your fanatism and see what its say about your "human rights"!
In Greece,we respect the right of opinion and that's why we don't kill persons like Karagatsis or Dimaras,like you!
And you denied the claims of your President with the same lies and curses!!
No historian...bla,bla,bla!Do you are a historian?Probaply not!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas
And many organizations support my opinion to, on a difference of you that paid to the journalists 130 millions to spread propaganda against Macedonia and promote fake "Greekness of Macedonia". And we don't killed nobody, Gligorov is still alive, 92 years old, and nobody knows who was guilty about assassin trying to kill him. And yes, I am not historian, but and Kiro and you are not historians to... Karamanslis fired one of his work members because he confirmed the truth...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
The reality denys you because if Greece hade the money and the power to do that then you wouldn't have not even one article from Helsinki!!
And we don't need to pay because the historians,universities,historical books,cultural magazines and channels support the Greekness of Macedonia without money and that because it is the truth!
Trying learn what the History and NG channel say on its documentaries!!!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Greek Helsinki on the Macedonian Minority in Greece
The Macedonian minority remained unrecognized by the Greek government and consequently faced various forms of harassment and discrimination. Ethnic Macedonian associations and particularly the "Rainbow" political party, continued to face difficulties. Established in September 1995, "Rainbow" was attacked by local Greek extremists, including the mayor of Florina, and hindered from operating freely.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Before you talk about Greece,look what happens in your country!Remember the 500.000 Albanians and the war of 2001 between you and them!Remember the supervisors from Europe to your "democratic" elections!Remember Vasco,Marina,Papouli,RADCO...and the trying of murder against your president!
Learn that,you have not the right to talk about these fact and you do that because you are trying to cover your miserable reality!!
As i said,you are hypocrites!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas
What about the 500.000 illegal emigrant Albanians from Kosovo? The Serbians made genocide over them, so NATO attack Serbia and saved him. We accepted Albanians from Kosovo and saved by the Serbian genocide. And what they did for "thank you"? They started a war against us, and we only protected our villages and churches that Albanians burned it. We never killed an ethnic Albanian, but just terrorists. They massacred 8 defenders from my city... Don't tell me you love Albanians please...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Since you refer many times the Human Right Watch/Helsinki,look again what it say about the albanian minority and the other minorities in your country!
500.000 Albanians are indigenous minority of your country and not refugees from Kosovo!
OMG,do you live in this world?
Always,you have very different opinion for everything from the other humanity!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
500.000 indigenous minority of Albanians??? It's madness!!! I swear on my ancestors it's not truth, Believe me, in Republic of Macedonia before 2001 live no more than 5% Albanians. It's fact that Albanians came from Kosovo in 2001 in great number of half million. Maybe you don't believe me but I swear I speak the truth...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
On your ancestors...do you mean the Slavs nomadsof 5th century?
Only 5%?Are you serious?Are you sure?
Because the official website of your country and the statistic articles say that in 1991 the 20% of your population were Albanians!!
Probaply you know nothing even for your country and you write here because you are a typical nationalist!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
I am not nationalist like you, I just love my country and try to protect the truth from people as you. And you just tell me about some statistics and articles which I am sure you get it from some Albanian propagandists... Don't be silly and look at the truth in the eyes. The Albanians were emigrants from Kosovo, that our former president Boris Trajkovski accept here (RIP him), and they became a war against us, so we had to protect our villages and churches!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
I puty you!
When we talk about you,you are people who love your country and when we talk about us,we are rasists and fascists!
Greeks have not the right to love their country?You are so egotist!!
And the articles came from the official website of your country in internet!!
Wake up!!And its talk about 20% of ethnic Albaqnians in 1991!!
Ok,you can repeat your fairytale,but the documents are here!!
Cheers from the real and free region of Macedonia-Greece!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas
We are not fascist and racists as you, I never cold you else but Greek, you all the time call me "Moron", "Fyromian", etc. I love Greece, and Greek people, but I don't like the Greek politicians and nationalists who denied our identity. And what 20@ ethnic Albanians in 1991, what bullshits... I already said you to send me a link of that, but you didn't, of course, that document don't exist. It exist only in your head.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You see you always to call us by the worst curses...gays,rapers,killers,ect and do you bother from a simply moron?
And where is your love for Greece when you disort our history,our identity and you blame us to the world for your fantasies?
Greeks don't deny the identity of other people,they just protect their rights against to the people who want to steal them!
Based on many historians and books,Macedonians are Greeks and you are a political game with date of expiry!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
The situation regarding the Macedonian minority, for instance, is "terrible." "The situation we found was worse than we were expecting, because specifically in some areas where the Macedonian language is spoken, that language is not allowed at all in public.
Radio Free Europe, 26 November 2002
"If Greece is the cradle of the democracy, than the cradle is broken!"
- Victor Friedman after the incident of the publishing the first Macedonian-Greek
dictionary.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
And don't also talk about minorities too because you are the country of minorities!
500.000 Albanians,300.000 Greeks,100.000 Serbians,100.000 Bulgarians,100.000 Turks,75.000 Roma live in your fake country!
Probaply,you must to defende your rights in your country first because you are minority in your own country...ha,ha,ha....only 900.000 from the 2.000.000 people in FYROM...ha,ha,ha!!!!!!
Please,be serious!!!!!!!!!!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
What???!!! 900 000 other minority by 2.2 millions of people? What a biggest joke ever told... hahahahahaha thanks Greek, you made me lough hahaahah :D you are the most funniest Greek that I ever met. You should go to a adition about "the funniest man of the world" I guess you will get it :)
You tell bullshit, that number exist only in your brainwashed head.
In your country live 4 millions Albanians and 2 millions emigrants from Asia, don't speak about minority please...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Yes,you are only 900.000 by 2.2 milion of your population!The number is real!
You consider that you are over 60% of your population because you are pressing the 300.000 Greeks and 100.000 Bulgarians to declare Monkeydonians!I remind you again the cases of Papouli,Mitrova,RADCO!!
With this method,you are the "majority"
Give the rights to all the people in FYROM and espesially in 300.000 Greeks!!
And we have emigrants and not indigenous minorities like you!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
We pressing the 300.000 Greeks and 100.000 Bulgarians? What a joke! I know only few people here that consider themselves as Bulgarians, one of them is our former minister Ljupco Gorgievski... And I don't know even one Greek here. When the Greeks and the Bulgarians come to this lands? How our country press them? Please remember, we are not like you, we give rights to all other ethic nations here, you can get example of Romes, we never press them to consider themselves as Macedonians.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You have a selective briefing but i' m not surprised from that because the whole world knows that you have not human rights in your country!
The organization "RADCO" of FYROM say that it have 100.000 citizens of FYROM who declare Bulgarians and the "Greek Human Rights in FYROM" 300.000 citizens who declare Greeks!Take a look in internet or the articles of EU and Helsinki!
And then you discover the real world.....ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!!
And the Greeks were always in Macedonia!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
ha ha ha, what a joke! Can you send me a link of that? I am sure you can't because that information is only in your brainwashed head. And we have "Rainbow" political party there to defend the rights of the Macedonians in Greece (the occupied territory). What political party have Greeks and Bulgarians here, if they exist? Don't tell me that we oppress them, because if that is true, we should to oppress and Albanians to, but we don't. How I said, we are not like you!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Moron...Open your eyes and take a look in internet!It is full from the sites of Radco and the Greek rights in FYROM's teams!!
And the "Rainbow" shows that in Greece all the citizens have rights!If we are racists,why we permit its existance?Contradiction again in your myth!!
And our people can't have their own party in your fake country because as i said you oppress them always!That's why!And you were pressing Albanians,then and now!The albanian parties report you constantly!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
We oppress them??? We gave a full right to all the citizens without what identity they are. The Albanians have 2 big political parties: DUI with the leader Ali Ahmeti and DPA with the leader Menduh Tachi, the Romes with the leader Amdi Bajram, the Vlachs with the leader Nano Ruzin. How we oppress them??? We don't insult to the Albanians to speak their mother language as you Greeks forbite to the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia (the territory occupied by Greece since 1913)
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Really?How often?...ha,ha,ha!
Do you remember that at your elections there are always riggings and foreign supervisors ought to come in order you to have correct elections?
Do you also remember the reports of all those parties against you in EU and UN?
In real and free region of Macedonia,as the rest of Greece,we don't have phenomena like this and as you said all the citizens have their parties and correct participation at our elections!!
And Macedonians speak free their greek
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Yes, I remember... The incident was made by the Albanians. What could we do? We tried to have democratic elections but it's not possible with citizens as Albanians.
And where are the rights there of the Albanians, Asians, Romes, Vlachs etc.? As I said, you want clear Greek race, and oppress them to consider themselves as Greeks. What can you do else... Today is 21th century, you can't make them a genocide as you already did over the Macedonians after 1913...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You don't remember because the supervisors support that you are trying to stop Albanians to participate at the elections!They also quote the disortion of the results in the albanian regions of your country from you!
Roma in Greece have all the rights of voters and they participate without problems!They just don't want their own party!Vlachs are part of Greek nation and they don't also have problems!They have many members in Greek parliament like the other Greeks!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Stop with your nationalistic thinks about our relations with the Albanians here. We gave to him everything. The Albanian language in the schools, many Albanians in the parliament, we allow them to build mosques etc etc. Why did you gave to the Albanians and the other minorities there??? NOTING! And what the Vlachs could did else, when you don't admit them as minority...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Stop pretending!This is the truth and the albanian minority continues to report you in EU!
I see many times the leaders of albanian minority to say that we still have many problems!
Do you understand that you manage nothing with this way!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
So, you denied that Albanians have full rights here? What a nationalist! We even gave them a right to speak Albanian language in the parliament, TV programs on Albanian language, Albanian schools etc etc. And you denied all these things... It's mine to tell you the truth, but it's yours to denied that...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
I don't deny all those but i say that Albanian minority reports that your racism against them or to other minorities still exist and the application of the rigts is not very good always!
And i quote your hypocrise because you gave all those rights after the war of 2001 and the interference of EU and USA!
Can you explain me that why the foreigns supervisors still exist at your elections?What means that?As i said look what EU support for you,when you want to becam members!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
We gave all those rights after 2001 because before 2001 they were minority for a 5%, noting more... And when they left from Kosovo, and survive from the Serbian genocide, they came here in 2001 and became a war against us, so we were forced to give them these rights... I know you don't believe and still claim that they already were 25% minority before 2001, but what can I do? I am just honest and tell the truth and you denied all my words...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Yes,i don't believe you because the demographic elemants of your own country deny your opinion!
Albanians were 20% of your population and EU Statistic can confirm that!
I'm sorry but you are the person who deny the sources and you continues to repeat your story without sources!
Can you give me a Statistic data,which confirm your opinion?
alevas29 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Albanians and Asians are emigrants,who came in Greece after 1991.They are not indigenous people like your minorities.
And the emigrants do not have the right of vote in many countries of the Europe and the world!It is not a greek phenomenon!
As i said,why do you still write!
You ignore basic things of this world!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
I still write because I am right! And Albanians are emigrants here, as the other nations, but how I said, we are not like you, and we gave them everything. It's too bad for you that today we are 21th century and you can't make a genocide over the minorities in Greece, as you made over the Macedonians after 1913 in the territory of Macedonia that already occupied and took with the peace treaty of Bucharest!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Albanians are indigenous minority in your country always!
Nobody support your theory in the rest of the world!You stop using your nationalistic fantasies!
And this "we are 21th century....treaty of Bucharest",how many times you wrote that...you are a typical robot!
Do you have something new because?
This subject is over for me and the rest of the world!
Greetings from the real and free Macedonia in Greece!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
4.000.000 Albanians??????
2.000.000 Asians????????
Leave us alone!
Take a look in the Statistic Data of EU and you will see the real numbers of emigrants in Greece!
Stop dreaming and stop using these nonsence,you can't change the truth with words of winds.....................
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
That number is more truth than your claiming that in Macedonia live 900.000 Macedonians by 2.2 millions population. I don't claim that only with my thinking... One Greek Jorgos from Thessaloniki told me that, but how is possible to find 4 millions Albanians and 2 millions Asians in Greece, when your country press them and want only Greek Homogenous race to live there. That's why you made genocide over the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia especially in Kukush (Kilkis).
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
You contradict onself always but it is very good that you can understand your bullshits!
Why do you still write here?
Stop it because you show me by the perfect way who spread propaganda in the world!!
You have nothing good to say and you have nothing to do with the real Macedonians!
And read again what happened in Kilkis(Kukush??) because the history talk about a war between Greeks-Bulgarians and not for a genoside against you!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
What Bulgarians? They were Macedonians like me, they were ethnic Macedonians and you made a genocide over them and drove out the rest of the Macedonian population of Macedonia, and the worst was for the Macedonians that continue to live there, in a occupied territory by you since 1913... And even if they were Bulgarians (of course they were not), you made a genocide over them and showed to the world your real face. Shame on you!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
I'm gland with this comment because as you see,you do the same thing with which you blame Greece!
You deny the existance and the rights of 400.000(Bulgarians,Greeks) in your country!You first are rasist and fascist in this area!But you dare to talk only against Greeks!!!!!!!!
But those people exist in FYROM and the Watch/Helsinki do report about them too!And E.U advise your country to give freedom and rights to all your citizens,if you want to becam members!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas
I am nor fascist nor racist, but Macedonian who try to protect the identity. Why am I fascist and racist? When I insult you and Greece? You all the time call my country FYROM and don't recognize my identity. Who is now racist? And you just speak about some 400.000 Bulgarians and Greeks in Macedonia with no facts, but just own thinking. I already told you, if they people exist here, they would have a political party as we Macedonians have there in the occupied territory - "RAINBOW".
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Yes you are,when you don't recognize the existance of Greeks in FYROM and you deny to take a look on internet,which have many articles of different organizations for them!
You can key the terms "RADCO"and"Greek human rights in FYROM" and you will see the truth face to face!
If you dare,do it now!
And i don't insult your country with the name FYROM because this is your real name now!
And others call you with this name not only Greeks!
You insult us when you disort our history!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
The fascist is the guy who named someone other with name that he is not as you cold me racist and fascist.
Don't speak to me about some "RADCO" and "Greek human rights in..." it's only your propaganda.
As I said, we gave full rights to the other ethic people here like: Albanians, Romes, Vlachs etc. and they have their own political parties. And where are the Greeks and Bulgarians here? If they exist they would have their own political parties as the other nationalities have here...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Sorry but if you deny the existance of those people,yes you are racist and hypocrite!
The rest of the world talk many times about them!You manage nothing with your position!
Probaply,you don't dare to look in internet because the truth destroy your myth about you and your "poor" people!
Ok,you can repeat your national fantasies but without results!
You first do that,which you blame Greeks and this fact shows your hypocrise!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
I already told you many times! We gave all rights to the minorities here like: Albanians, Romes, Vlachs, Serbs etc etc. I don't see any reason why we wouldn't give the same rights to the Greeks and Bulgarians if they live here. They not exist here! If they exist, they would have a political parties as Albanians, Romes and Vlachs have! And sure I don't like to read on internet your propaganda about some minority of Bulgarians and Greeks here... It's just one your fake propaganda!
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Propaganda?We talk with names and facts and the organizations confirm our words!The case of Papouli,Mitrova and Vasco is published on the reports of Watch/Helsinki and the European Parliament!
Ok,you deny to see the truth and this is normal for a nationalist like you!
As i said,if you recognize these minorities,then your people lost your majority in FYROM and second,you consider that it is not good to have minorities from your 2 big enemies!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Send me please some parts of that your organizations because I will send you mine:
The situation regarding the Macedonian minority, for instance, is "terrible." "The situation we found was worse than we were expecting, because specifically in some areas where the Macedonian language is spoken, that language is not allowed at all in public.
Radio Free Europe, 26 November 2002
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Radio Free Europe is a broadcaster funded by the US Congress that provides news where a free Press is banned by government or not fully established!
What's means that?The work of radio in your country is a proof for the violance against human rights of the citizens!
And as i said it is instrument of USA and USA support you now for their political reasons!I'm not surprised from that!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
I showed my arguments and posts... You deny: "Karnegian Balkan commission", "Radio Free Europe", "The Times (London), 6th January 1997, p. 12.", "Canadian Historical Society" and what can I do else??? I send you many proofs yo didn't send me noting... Why I should to continue with debating? I am tired to explain you the truth and you deny all that...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
I'm not deny these but i explore with elemants!I wrote many sourses(List of Genosides-UN,books,the official website of your country,ect)but you don't want to accept the reality!What can i do else too!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
MACEDONIANS ARE NOT GREEK!
Macedonians do exist! Our community is maintained through hundreds of associations, churches, Macedonian language classes, youth and senior groups, etc. Today, Macedonians enjoy full national rights in the Republic of Macedonia, Yugoslavia. However, Macedonians are denied their rights in Greece, Bulgaria
and Albania.
The New York Times (Monday, July 17, 1989)
What about these??? Is "The New York Times" our propaganda too???
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Sorry,but this "our community" is the opinion of the american journalist of the newspapers?Do you can understand that this text just is the answer of a politician or citizen of your country or a published article of your country?
It is easy to understand that this 'our community'is the words of a member of your country!
alevas29 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
And yes they were Bulgarians and nobody quote a genoside against them!
History confirm the exchange of populations between Greece-Bulgaria in 1916!
And many of them left Greece after the Greek civil war(1945-1949)when the communists lost!Many Bulgarians were communists and they left Greece for the communist countries as many Greeks communists too!
You talk without elemants but with your myths!You are brainless!!
alevas29 2 years ago
Ministerial Council for Research into South-Eastern Europe
The most typical examples of forced migration of Macedonians are to be found in eastern Macedonia, where Greek terrorist bands killed 29 and imprisoned 3,100 Macedonians and expelled 600 Macedonian families across the borders - and this in the period from February to the end of March 1945 alone. The situation was no different in the other areas of Aegean Macedonia.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
OMG!Are you serious?Why do you give me this text?
This organization belonge to you and your Academy of sciences and arts!
It support your theory and this is expected!
Do you have a real documents?I have!!
"When the Turks and Bulgarians left,Macedonia remained a purely greek region"(Henry Morgenthan Serving in Greece between 1925-1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations)
Why he don't quote "your Macedonians"?
Because they don't existed!!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Thus, the Serbs, the Bulgarians and the Greeks succeeded in partitioning Macedonia among themselves in 1913 with the treaty of Bucharest, and with this act most of ancient Macedonia was incorporated into the Greek state for the first time. Ever since partitioning Macedonia among themselves in 1913 with the treaty of Bucharest, Greece has fervently attempted to stamp a permanent Hellenic imprint on this land.
Sunday, November 30th, 2003, the Canadian Historical Society
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Now,what is this?
This text don't refer to your myth about genoside!It just say what happened in the geographical region of Macedonia during the Balcan Wars!
As you see,you only talk about your fake genoside!
And it is interest what the same organization quote about ancient Macedonia!
Read it!!
alevas29 2 years ago
It's fact about your genocide!
One hundred or so years later, we are still discussing the Macedonian question
which should be obvious by now that it cannot be solved without the
participation of the Macedonian people.
The legacy of Berlin subjected Macedonia to three new tyrants (Greeks,
Serbians and Bulgarians) who began a violent assimilation program and a long period of brutal oppression to a point of genocide, which has lasted to this day.
The Times (London), 6th January 1997, p. 12.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Another cheap trick!
This article is not an article of a journalist of Times but an article of your government which published then!
If you read newspapers,then you can see many people or organizations or countries to published their own articles in big newspapers for their reasons!
Don't try anymore becausa i'm sure for that you can't find a document which is not derives from you!
And the list of genosides of UN don't include your myth!
alevas29 2 years ago
Dear Leonidas, Banica 11 jully 1913
I can not find the paper to write you because all the villages here were burned, and all the people expelled. We have burned their villages and now we can not find one. I must tell you that we are close to the old Bulgarian borders. We OCCUPIED the whole Aegean Macedonia, without Thrace.
I want your answer immediately. My address:
KAPLAR GEORGIOS KORKOCKI,
19th regiment, 3th battalion, 11th troop, 7th division.
Report from Karnegian Balkan commission.
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
Karnegian Balcan Commission refered to the Balcans Wars and the battles and action of Bulgarians,Serbians,Greeks against Turks!I read this report and i'm sure it don't quote a separate macedonian nation,who expelled!The people of the region of Macedonia were Greeks,Bulgarians,Serbians,Turks,Jews and Albanians!Read the books "Pictures of the Balcans"-John Fraser,"Travel in European Turkey"-Edmund Spencer!It quote just people(Bulgarians,Turks,what?)!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Karnegian Balkan Commision refered the truth! The parts that I show you were not my claiming, but Karnegian... They clearly wrote Greeks burned the Macedonian villages and houses with the people there...
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
And i explaine you that the Karnegian refered to the Balcan Wars and it quoted the action of all those who participated to the war against Turks!And the macedonians villages were with regional meaning!And it refered to the people without ethnicity!Read the books which i wrote here!
alevas29 2 years ago
@alevas29
Dear Leonidas, Rodopi 13 july 1913
Stay well, like me. I received your letter that made me happy. But I received one letter of Aristides to, which writes that they recruited and I suffering and I am sad because you can not imagine what happens in war. Macedonian villages were burned along with the people inside, and we burn the fires and do worse things than Bulgarians.
Your brother
Thomas Zapantiotis
Report from Karnegian Balkan commission.
Do you denied these to???
PeceFromHeraklea 2 years ago
@PeceFromHeraklea
I say again these texts can't prove your myth because they don't refer to a separate macedonian nation!I know,you use this "macedonian villages"but the term has regional meaning because the reports refer to the region of Macedonia,which is province of Ottomans in this era and not country!
Read the books "History of the Balcans"-Cambridge University Press and "The Early Medieval Balcans"-John Van Antwerp!
And read the lists of genoside of UN!Its don't confirm your "Story".
alevas29 2 years ago
First
Macedonia:
30%macedonian
Second
We live in theritory of Macedonia
and
Third
WE SPEAK MACEDONIAN
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
:))
Vo pravo e deka sme Sloveni ama ne e vo pravo deka nemame nikakva vrska so Antickite Makedonci.
Nie sme sinteza od Sloveni i Anticki Makedonci ;)
forevermkd 2 years ago