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mathemacitcs are the core of reason and i studied higher mathematics in one of the more prestigious universities of germany (ottfried Wilhelm Leibniz university of hannover).
the more i studied the more i became faithfull.
don't let an arrogant person like richard dawkins mislead you into believing that because he is "reasonable" than you should follow him.
when what is meant with faith are the easter banny,santa klaus,a dead body on a cross wich is supposed to be "god" than yes,you would be right,you can become skeptic ,because such things are obviously against reason.
faith is spirituality,it is the science of the inner world,of the spirit.it is looking deep into the own self and trying to solve it's misteries.
@sofianbelhedi Let alone, there is no evidence to support that a soul, or spirit, exists. Simply being a conscious (self aware) creature is not evidence of anything other than that we are conscious. You cannot change the definition of science to include these unscientific branches of study simply because you feel they are valid : )
But how do you know your conscious..... see this is the thing. People keep shouting about science all the time applying it to something its not made to fit into.
Its not made to answer these questions so why apply it?
Its like trying to apply criminology to a rock.... its just simply retarded.
@revron77 Science is simply the method used for gathering information about the world we live in. If something cannot be measured or observed in this way, then there is no reason to assign your own value to it.
If we want to discuss this logically, then a spirit certainly wouldn't fit into our current understanding of the world. You should watch some of the science lectures regarding particle physics, atomic theory etc, by people like Pr Brian Cox or Steven Hawking. Theory, but interesting :)
@revron77 Basically I am just in disagreeance with you that pseudo science should be given equal merit to science. I think it is great that people work on such interesting topics as you mentioned, but it simply isn't equal in importance to science which is the only method that produces results.
Perhaps once day science may advance to include those, but for now it doesn't.
Sadly, I know very few people who question everything as much as I do. Both of my "rational" parents both claim to have had ghost experiences, funnily both were when they were young and happened while half asleep.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
the last thing one should permit is to allow somebody to denie spirituality as well as spiritual traditions (christianity,islam,buhdism etc..) through monopolizing science.
@sofianbelhedi "both of them are equally relevant and important."
While I agree that meditation can have some personal benefits, you cannot put it into the same category as spiritual travel. They are not even in the same ball park! Science = knowledge, and we simply do not have knowledge of astral travel. No body has been able to prove this in a scientific setting, therefor it falls into the realm of pseudo science. Our brain is required to send and receive info, it is unlikely at best.
i also thought faith and reason are in contradiction for till i reached 28 years of age.
now i got it.
many so called "atheists" including my own "ex-self" like to "dismiss" faith with science,as if science is against faith,and as if being a professor of quantum physics or evolution gives the right ot to be faithfull.
of corse another thing contributing to the confusion,is that many so called scienctists like the one talking in the video like to fight against what is described as christianity because it is linked to a figure wich is claimed to be a god or son of god and is a human at the same time.
so these persons have lots "to discuss".
but he didn't see that spirituality is much much much wider than christianity.
This is stupid. There are other forms of knowledge other than intelligence: Namely, revelation (from God), intuition and wisdom. This is all given by grace. Atheists are too linear in their thinking and understanding.
I do believe in god, but I also want to be a biologist and obviously I believe in evolution and the big bang. The stories in the bible are just that -stories. They teach us lessons and tell us more about our self, much like a classic novel. Of course evolution and the big bang are true, and it is foolish to try and deny their existence. But I also think that you shouldn't not believe in god just because religious stories are not "true". Man's perception on god has no bearing on his existence.
Truth is determined by what the majority of scientists believe who are more intelligent than the rest of the human race and are amused that anyone would believe in a God. Chortle, Chortle, Chortle.
@flexpape LOW education as in they don't think. They follow their religion without question. All those who question can be considered to be satans people having been granted knowledge by satan. (The forbidden fruit)
Knowledge shatters innocence and ignorance which is of course very bad if your peasants are questioning your orders (religious institution). So basically don't question our authority or you're siding with satan........... seems legit >.>
@IFasz Really, Low education? Dude i am silver medalist in top university of My country and i am an Engineer, An electrical Engineer LOOL. Please lmao, low education, Dude The proof of God? U know the law of causality?
If you religious folk are so smart, can you at least learn the English language? Saying things like; "He don't", while badmouthing educated authors is unacceptable.
@lumpheadthump Really lol..... lmao, Well bring on lol, let me see who is this "Atheist" who knows more religion.. lol, Dude he blamed Religions for wars lmao ask him to read Encyclopedia of war and read only 7% fights were recognized as to have some kind of religious conflict.
U call this knowledge? No he is just an arrogant religion hater lol
@lumpheadthump And his famous most stupid argument, who created God, i mean cmon, i think even the most retard engineer can answer this question just by using elementary physics. Lian is right. New atheists are not intellectually bright.
@flexpape That question is a response to the stupidargument from theists that something can't come from nothing therefore God created it. Not only does the logic not connect, it's a childlike statement to make. If you say something can't come from nothing you have to have an answer for that question. Myths have nothing to do with physics, and anyone who thinks they do is an idiot.
@flexpape You didn't ask a question, you made an ignorant comment. Causality has nothing to do with that idiotic comment. You're throwing around words you read or heard on the internet without understanding them. You can't use science to prove your myths
@lumpheadthump lmao, Dude i am an engineer and we have to deal with causal systems all the time. Dude everything that includes time must have a cause. If u deny this u deny a law NOT A THEORY. Go read, that is why we say atheists are intellectually not bright <3.
@lumpheadthump Nothing produce Nothing. There is No theory that says physical laws bring about the universe. So what came first ? Chicken or Egg? Laws or Universe?
@flexpape Yeah, a lot of claims are made by kooks on the internet about their education and credibility. If you had any background in science, you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous point. If you understood physics, you'd know that the universe is bound by a specific set of physical laws, but it doesn't mean that universes (ours may not be the first) that have existed were bound by the same laws. The chicken evolved from lower reptiles and its ovum was a part of the evolution......retard.
@lumpheadthump mate a used a famous idiom of " what comes first chicken or egg" and u made it evolution LOL... Dude loool cmon man, we engineers know what physics is and we are WELL aware of what Maths is. And yes ur pseudo scientific myths are a joke :). Explain to me just these two facts if u know more science
@flexpape "We engineers" HAHAHA!!!!!!!! I didn't realize you english (i'm guessing) you guys call mechanics engineers too, HAHA. The problem with the theories you're pretending to understand is that you think it's perfectly logical to presume that if science hasn't explained the origins of life, it must prove that god did it.. It's a ridiulous leap of logic.
@lumpheadthump But hey you just said that since science have a pre big bang theory so God do not exist.? i Find it more childish , seriously, again i will say, The atheists are NOT intellectually bright. Okay just leave abiogenesis , i will only consider now the law of causality. The dawkins ultimate boeing 747 was so pathetic argument lol. I wonder if he was a good scientist or a good mathematician he must have known what law of causal system states and how it is related with who created God.
@flexpape No, I didn't, and no scientists has ever said that. Yes, that includes Dawkins. All that science has ever said is that no evidence exists for the existence of a god.
@lumpheadthump o.O i just gave u one from natural science. I haven't even touched Logical science..... and then religious science. The problem is, you study few books and most of people who teach u are atheists but We study everything <3
@flexpape you gave me a flawed interpretation of natural science. There is a reason that the vast majority of scientists are atheists, and it's not because you're more intelligent than them. Dawkins is a biologist, yet you cclaim to know more than he does about the origins of life. Oxford doesn't alow just anyone a professorship.
@lumpheadthump Man i haven't touched evolution. I am merely attacking the foundation of evolution and that is abiogenesis and even a ordinary guy who have studied chemistry for about 12 classes can easily tell the flaws of this theory. Secondly, why dawkins and people are reluctant to believe in God, we get that answer from religious science but obviously you and him are woefully ignorant of what a religion is. Thirdly, i merely used the basic concept of Time and a universal law to prove God.
@mynameszz ERR here we call grade as a class.... so 12 constant grades reading chemistry sounds fine? And yes the Chemistry tells us that Abiogeneis is IMpossiBle.
@mynameszz enlighten me that abiogenesis is possible? i mean i'll just tell u that chemistry says NO to the formation of DNA and its repair system both can NEVER be produced simultaneously cuz once a DNA is made if there is NO repair system it will oxidize probably and will get destroyed instead of evolving LOL.
LOGIC AND SCIENCE both disagrees with pseudo-science concepts
Chemistry doesn't say no to the formation of DNA , lol.Biochemistry would be completely wrong otherwise , which is not the case . It is a macro molecule created by polymerization.It consists of two long polymers of simple units called nucleotides, with backbones made of sugars and phosphate groups joined by ester bonds.As far as repair mechanisms go , DNA doesn't INSTANTLY COMPLETELY oxidize . In most cases an uncorrupted strand is used as template for correcting the damaged strand .
@mynameszz i never said chemistry says no to the formation of DNA, I Said chemistry says no to the formation DNA using the technique of abiogenesis... Dude, before evolution could happen DNA will oxidize because of NO healing system if u even is able to make DNA using abio genesis
Do not misinterpret my words :p
And yes u guys believe in Pseudo science , my point was straight forward.
@lumpheadthump Universities have allowed Mathematicians like John Lennax to teach too :p. We have people like Kaku but hey they are "our" scientists lol
@lumpheadthump abiogenesis, a pseudo science lol... ya ya science will prove it one day LOL. u having faith in pseudo science? :p when Chemistry says it is impossible
Liberals and neo cons support paper currency with central banks, and feel justified in the transfer of wealth, and scientists go along for the ride. IQ and understanding of monetary policy or liberty don't match up at all well.
Murry Rothbard was agnostic. Ayn Rand was an atheist. Ron Paul is a hard-core Christian, all believing the same economic theory. I am atheist, American, and know that if we had free markets, I could make or grow whatever I want in my back yard, and sell it in the front yard. Central planning correlates with scientific thought, but not with liberty. People with high IQ tend to dislike liberty, and love centrally planning, so they tend to be liberal and authoritarian.
@TheManInBlackChannel Not only rocks, bonds all of us regardless of our gender, race, nationality, ethnicity without set guidelines, symbols, flags, etc. We present ourselves with our clarity of minds without ambiguities, facts seeking and accepting no BS. I salute you from Iran.
I have a video of Dawkins caving, admitting that science is based on faith, that is in context he was talking about hypothesis and theory and educated guesses. Science is based on a naturalistic paradigm and assumes their is no god. It isn't that God is unscientific, ulitmately God is beyond empiricism and the scientific method as it is packaged by most scientists today. If you can't measure it it ain't real and I tell ya God don't fit in any test tube.
YouTube is filled with neo-atheist hypocrites. Oh we're freethinking, open-minded, intellectually superior individuals that think for ourselves and don't follow authority. yeah right...truth is they are moronic sheep being sucked along with the herd out to reinforce their narrow minded indoctrinated view by parroting arguments and points of view that come not from their thinking but from their 'superior' authority. Wow..you've read about evolution, duh!, therefore God doesn't exist, You clowns.
@DeathsWill228 "Funny, that is the exact way we think of you, except it is actually supported by experience"
So besides acknowledging that you are a neo-atheist hypocrite by using 'we' to reply to a comment directed at neo-atheists hypocrites, what exactly does your tiny, presumptuous mind imagine to know about me?
If you're in a public school, then bring it to the attention of the principal, and continue going higher up the ladder of authority til you get it fixed.
Without the truth, there can be no real morality, justice, equality, success, freedom, love, security, peace, spirituality or even survival. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the truth of life.
lol I am quite shocked at the negative votes towards all of the pro-religion comments, why can't you guys learn to love each other lol
not even quoting any religion teachings right now, but should you guys really try to get along? some people see a duck in the picture, some sees rabbits, but who gives a damn what people really see in life?
religious or not, we r still only humans, and scientific or not, i think we can all agree that humans r a species that live by relying on each other?
@tonythebully I think the reason we don't get along is this. Christians look down on and pity anyone not of their faith since deep down they believe you are going to hell. Even if they are not trying they come off as condensing and pushy( trying to save) Atheist are nearly the same they believe many religious folk are foolish for not even attempting to question, look for evidence or listen. Atheist feel superior since deep down only a fool would believe in what they think is fairy tales
@Xatasha6611 ...I research religion all the time. I listen, I just don't believe. If you believe that's cool, too. Why should such a small difference between otherwise alike beings cause conflict? Peace and love, guys.
@AlphaOrigin Religion lets a person say my god choose me to be superior to you. They may say it in a polite way but that is what they think. Atheist fall into a similar trap with the I am smarter than you thinking. My opinion is that we are like pack animals and being the alpha is important.
@Xatasha6611 Perhaps, but shouldn't we try not to make ourselves better than one another? I always believed that it was enough to be better than you were yesterday.
@PAULOcbi I don't think you are understanding what I am saying correctly. I am not saying that there aren't many morals that are "written on the hearts of the human person," i.e. Innate as you are saying (which comes straight from the Catchism of the Catholic Church). Rather I am saying that there must be something that grounds these morals if they are to be objective and not subjective. Which is why I asked the question of do you see these innate ethics as objective or subjective values/morals?
@MrArpas123 You say you're a man of science and god. I've looked at your channel. You're a man of pseudo-science for sure and as there's no god, you're a man of nothing. I suggest you strike 'man' from your title as well
There is a much much stronger correlation between IQ and Race, and there are tons and tons of more studies to support it (ironically some from Dawkins' OxfordU). Yet why no one speaks of it? Oh right, it's politically incorrect and it hurts other peoples feelings. Many of you might not have faith in god, but you have faith in humanity which in turn is harmful as well and delusional of empiricism. Even Dawkins agrees that human equality by no means exists and that genetic determination is prime.
Destroy Atheism? Are you sure you're a religious person, and not some violent and fascist idiot?
If you want people to TRULY appreciate and accept your faith, stop fighting for it. Stop pushing your faith onto others as 100% true facts. Religion, spirituality, and the HUNDREDS of other faiths in this world are not proven real, so keep it to yourself and atheists will do the same.
The only reason there's so many "unbelievers" is because theists push their faith EVERYWHERE as facts
I have found interesting to how some put it as "atheism vs. religion" when recently atheism is simply becoming a different kind of religion. I think we must first learn to drop the whole religion part and simple focus on what we can know by reason alone, such as the existence of an unconditioned reality outside of space/time.
@PinkGrapefruit001 I wasn't saying what atheism is supposed to be or not be, but rather what many proclaimed atheists are turning it into. Honestly, a true atheist will be very indifferent towards all of this religion & stuff because it doesn't matter when it comes down to it anyway; same with life in general since in the end we all end up the same. We can use many things in this world to give purpose, but when it comes down to it a true atheist must proclaim there is not true purpose to life.
Hahaha, a "true atheist"? Did you find the definition of a "true atheist" in the Atheist Scriptures or something? Because I'm not familiar with the term "true atheist".
An atheist doesn't have to be an apatheist or a nihilist as you suggest. That's like saying a "true theist" must be a fundamentalist, evolution-denying, gay-bashing theocrat.
Atheism is merely a starting point. It's up to the individual to figure out what to do from there.
@cartesiandualism No, actually if one truly wants to a 'true' and consistent atheist in their reasoning and logic one would need to eventually need to come to those conclusions I mentioned, if they are complete honest and don't let emotions get in the way of their reasoning and logic. These are things that would need something to be grounded such as objective morality and an objective purpose to life.
@cartesiandualism Many have mentioned that morality is the biggest argument for God & against atheism, since you can't have you cake & eat it too. We must eventually come to the conclusion through reason & logic that nothing is truly wrong or right, it is either up to whatever is accepted at the time, who's making the rules, just an effect of evolution, etc.In the case of evolution, why should we trust anything we believe, since our brain could be tricking us since it would not be after truth.
You understand that there is only one thing required to be a "true atheist" right? An atheist only need not to believe in a god. There is nothing more to the word "atheist" than that. If you were talking about a skeptic or a secular humanist then you would have a point. You should, however, drop the "true atheist" term unless you want to be the subject of ridicule.
@BeatMasterPhil actually Ethics are innate,Compassion the highest of the Ethical virtues is endowed on all parents and their off-spring at birth,if you are a father or mother you already know this is true and to deny it you sacrifice the Truth for Faith and this is what has been retarding civilization for a long time
@PAULOcbi "actually Ethics are innate" I agree, that is a very Catholic thing to say. As we do say that ethics is one of the things that is "written on the hearts of humans". Meaning that we have inklings toward these ethics, especially if we have a well-developed conscience. With atheism, these ethics are not objective or grounded in anyway. Just because a parent brings a child up to value compassion what makes that objectively right & sexually abusing the child objectively wrong, nothing.
@BeatMasterPhil wow! you are all over the place on this topic,lol. 'the Gentiles were not given the Law(TenCommandments) rather it was imprinted on the hearts of all men.'. So 1st you admit ethics are innate and then try to suggest maybe they are not in the same breath??!! Rather you should just admit ethics are innate and that religion has merely 'underlined' or 'highlighted' ethics in order to bring a sense of orthodoxy to a bunch of savages,...
@PAULOcbi The ethics are simply either due to evolution or some biological process, so how can we even trust that what our 'inateness' is telling us is even true? We can go a step further and say that if everything is due to some form of evolution then how do we know that anything our minds or body is actually truth, since our mind is not worried out truth value, but rather survival. It will tell us something false just for us to survive.
@BeatMasterPhil you convince the savages to obey their ethics by convincing them it comes from a higher source than yourself,a creator diety trumps all pagan dieties, otherwise they will laff at you,they are tribal and ignorant. All religious texts from BookOfTao,I Ching,Confucious,Bhagvad Gita,BookOfTheDead,Tanach,Gospels and Quran are simply mans` attempts to bring Ethics/Orthodoxy to a population in order to galvanize them and insure survival,nothing more.
@PAULOcbi "you convince the savages to obey their ethics by convincing them it comes from a higher source than yourself" Consistent reason and logic itself tells us that ethics must be grounded in a transcendent reality. Why? If it isn't grounded in some transcendent reality then nothing is truly wrong or right, as I mentioned above. There have been many who have tried to explain morality by material explanations, but unfortunately they are then led into may traps and false reason...
@PAULOcbi ...Which is why morality is now regarded as one of the tops arguments for the existence of an unconditioned reality outside of space/time, since if you or anyone claims that something is objectively wrong or right they must give a reason, but that is where it usually falls apart because for it because nothing in space/time can ground morality in an objective sense. Morality becomes subjective or just falls apart. If one truly believes that morality doesn't exist there are bigger issues
@BeatMasterPhil stop your nonsense and sophistry,we know Ethics are innate ,the light of Compassion,the highest of Ethical virtues is lit in evry parent and their offspring at birth,if you have children you know this without fail,so Ethics are innate,religion just underlines the Ethics for man ,.Next you`ll be saying you dint know muder and stealing were wrong til you read the TenCommandments ,lol.
@PAULOcbi Realize that all I am using here in mixed portions is reason, logic, and science. I think it would be wise to actually think about what is being said before sending out ad hominem attacks. Many of our fellow modernists claim to be torches of reason and logic, but fail to see the sorts of reason and logic that follows in the statements such as the ones that are made about morality and ethics.
@BeatMasterPhil more of your sophistry,Philo Judaeus called the church fathers "the sophists of literalness." Ethics are innate,do you think the Jews would have made it as far as even Mt.Sinai without them.Compassion is lit in all and off-spring at birth and not just in humans.What is subjective always becomes objective which is why the Ten Commandments were written out.We see ethical behaviour in a pack of wild dogs let alone us humans,you need a strong coffee pal.
@PAULOcbi So the one who believes in atheism and also claims to point toward evolution for everything is self defeating for the fact that their mind could be telling them that there is no god simply for the fact of survival, not for the fact that there is no god is actually true. Now, I do see nothing wrong with evolution, but rather that the immaterial mind cannot come from material evolution, so there must be a point where the immaterial part of us is "infused".
@PAULOcbi So in summary that is one reason why morality is the big 'gotcha' to a consistent and logical atheism. Many atheists and atheist philosophers have realized this. The atheist can say that their morality is objective and that abusing a child is objectively wrong now, was objectively wrong 3000 years ago, and will always be objectively wrong into the future. But unfortunately they have no grounding for this objective morality. So abusing a child is only subjectively wrong within atheism.
Continuing on, faith that is not grounded is reason is an empty faith at its base, and can lead to such things as extremism. This is the reason why the Catholic faith must, and has always, come back to being grounded in reason. That doesn't mean that some people have caused to take a wrong turn, but we know it will always find its way back.
I think where many now-a-days miss the mark is on the "both/and" principle. For some reason people have been brought up to believe that faith and reason are in conflict, which is not, and can not, be the truth if our faith and reason is to be grounded in the same reality. Faith and reason are, and must be, in harmony when all is said and done. Many don't realize that that when is comes down to it faith, science, and reason must all be in harmony and that is exactly what the Church teaches.
No. The fact that most or nearly all scientists do not believe in God says more about the poor understanding religious people have about God than how good non-religious are at science. Peace. chuck
I think like this. There were other religions before, and they don't exist anymore (they do, but nobody believes in them anymore) so why would i believe these ones? In 200 years there will already be a new religions, and there won't be any christians or muslims etc.
"Many evolutionists comparitively could be just as delusional as religious folks [sic] if scaled to match each other."
-Yeah, hmmm, excepting that evolutionists base their opinions on all the evidence that has been provided to date ... whereas "religious folks" base their opinion on dogma and myth and hold the same forms of evidence in contempt.
But if you wish to pretend the two groups are somehow interchangeable in order to suit some predetermined perspective you hold, go ahead
a god would not need to be in hiding for thousands of years and throw faith on humanity to say its real. it just doesnt make any logical sense that this is true at all. something so powerful just wouldnt need to do that period. there is no such thing as a god and thats the bottom line. where will i go when i die? more than likely where i was before my time of existence, no where at all.
satisfy the need to believe in a reason for existence, thus these elaborate ideas are HUGE problems to solve, takes tons of abstract reasoning, and creative thinking. All the more reasons it would peak IQ potential, and give amusement to the mind leaving out the heart. DELUSIONS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!! THIS WORLD IS NOT OURS AND YOU ARE NOT YOURS WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT>the time will come!
of there society as children. There are many possible fallacies to this argument as a whole. Many evolutionists comparatively could be just as delusional as the religious folks if scaled to match each other. I do love the idea of understanding the world or atleast putting effort to. There is just entirely too many plausible perspectives to put on blindfolds and only understand it in one way. I searched and I found the Spirit. But in a paganistic world, there are going to be elaborate ideas to
both sides of the argument. I think science is a beautiful thing especially in the right hands. But it does lack the spirituality that everyone possesses and fails to identify the oneness of that in our race. As far as the IQ argument. I think that elite scientist should have high IQs to be an elite. That is quite obvious. They probably failed to test the "elite" "religious" society. The ones who thought through what they believed and didnt conform to what was the norm in there small circle of
physical world as evidence to there beliefs. The reasoning can go both ways on the matter, and ofcourse every side is going to make arguments that only go for there side. Its basically ignorance vs ignorance with lack of trying to understand each others arguments. I personally think the God theory has a lot more substantial reasoning to believe in. Considering how new the evolutionary realization is. Its more of an identification of how complex the world is and all its possibilities. I respect
i dont think this perspective on them not having religious beliefs or beliefs at all is fair to say. There religious beliefs are evolutionist beliefs, and they have all differents stems of personal beliefs on that main belief. Its similar as the God belief structure and all the stems on that, but instead of having faith in the physically unseen God "theory" and the physical world seen today as evidence. They have faith in the unseen evolutionary creationism "theories", and also use the.....
@FreeFormWar know what you are talking about before you make a statement atheist countries have the lowest number of divorces murders rapes killings pedophiles stealing. japan England Sweden France.most religious are out of control and have 5 to 10 times higher rates.go to new guinea and try and tell them that you are there distant cousin,they will slit your neck...............
1universe even had a beginning,created i don't think so 2god to make the universe,he would have to be more complex 3 time and energy are forever(us universe) 5god is apart of universe or he is not,if not just a delusion 6can pick up any object and drop it,it will fall.if you re-played that forever,god is going to stop it 7god doing super natural things.god could make superman real 8all babies are atheist 9god came from nothing,made the whole universe,what would he made everything from himself!
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Atheists are Atheists untill there death bed arives,then they are forced to belive out of fear,even deval worshipers do the same. Fear is a great thing,it moves people to do things they would not do in good health. Its comman and just fine but here is the real problem. If they dont ask for forgivness at that last hour becouse there not shure what to do in there fear then It to late for them acording to scripture.
@mystic81006 Your comment demonstrates that fear really is a major requirement for your type of scripture to be believed just as much as superstition and profound ignorance.
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@thruthem Fear the lord is all in the scriptures, If we dont fear we dont care,If you dont fear your parents you grow up to be a horrid spolid person,its no diffrent.
@mystic81006 A child is helpless and relies entirely on it's parents for protection and sustenance. Teaching a child to fear it's parents is essentially torture. Is this what you're advocating?
@thruthem Torture? you say? really? LOL,You need to look up the real definishion of the word. You think its torture that that same child grows up to kill a whole family becouse they had no true fear of there consequences? I fear to go to prison if I mess up so is this also torture? Am I Tortured becouse I fear Anything? No,My children love me and are very happy and are very kind becouse they know if they act up they will be punished,its that fear that will make them know there are consequences.
@thruthem You belive there should be no punishemt for children then you also belive there should be no punishemt for men who rape little children all the same.You can think that kids who are not punished are the same as ones who are not your eyes are closed and you have not lived yet. You must be around 20? not having children yet? or mabey one? you need more experience in life to be able to have this very conversation.
@thruthem if the child thinks that it cant get a whoopin than its motivation to do good is less than one that thinks that the parrent will deal out JUDGEMENT
@woods8870 Congratulations! You are teaching your pets and children that using brute force toward loved ones is acceptable behavior (violence) especially when you are bigger and stronger (coercion & bullying) and that it's normal for loved ones to hurt you (sadomasochism).
@mystic81006 If you think that fear is a good way to build any relationship, then you obviously had a very twisted childhood.
Fear only breeds fear.
I will admit that how I die does concern me, especially if it is long and painful. However, death itself holds no fears for me, as I believe that I will know nothing about it.
Mark Twain said that he did not fear death as he had been dead for thousands of years before he was born and it never bothered him. I echo that sentiment.
@mystic81006 I don't fear my parents and I don't think I'm spoiled. Through all of our financial troubles I've never asked for them to buy a single thing. Even when the Wii they bought me in 07 broke, I haven't asked them to repair it. I don't complain. I don't need to. My parents treat me with love. So I don't fear them. I love them. Since you believe in God, don't fear Him, LOVE HIM.
@AlphaOrigin You dont think your spoiled does not mean your not,Mabey your not,and mabey your the exeption,but this can not be said for every one,if it works for you great,but not every one is.
@mystic81006 I just don't think that you should assume that your child is going to be bad and make them fear you. Shouldn't we try to treat others with kindness and respect, even if they're younger and may need more patience before they understand why certain behaviours are inappropriate? Especially if they're our children.
@AlphaOrigin There is no assuming here,either they are good or not,if they are not there has to be punishment,spare the wipe spoile the child and if you have more then one like we do you soon find it even harder becouse kids fight,they compeat and they sometimes hate each other.,there has to be a ballence of power and authority in the house hold.We always treat our children with love and respect but respect is earned in my house.We spank out kids but not real hard,just to warn.
@AlphaOrigin We are to not only teach our kids But also to let them know in life there is punishments to what you do. This way when they grow up and they are tempted to steal with there friends or kill some one they have already been tought a stearn lesson.they will already know there is a reaction to every action.If I do this this will happen.If a child like you have np real problems then thats great,less strees for your parents and I think more kids should be like this,But there not.
@mystic81006 A major problem with your thesis is that it contradicts one critical element: reality.
Countries like Sweden and Japan are atheistic & experience virtually zero violence or property crime when compared statistically with religious countries. Much of the violence against women, homosexuals, non-believers & minorities is promoted by theology. American prisons are filled with believers. As education expands, religious belief declines along with the need for prisons.
C'est étonnant! Merci!
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JezusSlave 4 weeks ago
so some habits of speech have created lots of confusion.
science of the outern world can be studied for instance in european universities.
science of the inner world can be studied for instance in temples across the world including those in Nepal,hymalaya,india and tibet.
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sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
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@Molothetwo
science is a very universal and relative term.
there are two kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
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@Molothetwo
science is a very universal and relative term.
there are two kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
science is a very universal and relative term.
there are two kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
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@Molothetwo
science is a very universal and relative term.
there are two kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
science is a very universal and relative term.
there are two kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
faith and reason in contradiction ?
what about reasonable faith ?!
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@sofianbelhedi doesn't exist (in my opinion) because theism in general is unreasonable
Molothetwo 1 month ago
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sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
mathemacitcs are the core of reason and i studied higher mathematics in one of the more prestigious universities of germany (ottfried Wilhelm Leibniz university of hannover).
the more i studied the more i became faithfull.
don't let an arrogant person like richard dawkins mislead you into believing that because he is "reasonable" than you should follow him.
just think AND FEEL for your self.
part2
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
when what is meant with faith are the easter banny,santa klaus,a dead body on a cross wich is supposed to be "god" than yes,you would be right,you can become skeptic ,because such things are obviously against reason.
faith is spirituality,it is the science of the inner world,of the spirit.it is looking deep into the own self and trying to solve it's misteries.
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sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@sofianbelhedi Let alone, there is no evidence to support that a soul, or spirit, exists. Simply being a conscious (self aware) creature is not evidence of anything other than that we are conscious. You cannot change the definition of science to include these unscientific branches of study simply because you feel they are valid : )
ulthea 4 weeks ago
@ulthea
But how do you know your conscious..... see this is the thing. People keep shouting about science all the time applying it to something its not made to fit into.
Its not made to answer these questions so why apply it?
Its like trying to apply criminology to a rock.... its just simply retarded.
revron77 1 week ago
@revron77 Science is simply the method used for gathering information about the world we live in. If something cannot be measured or observed in this way, then there is no reason to assign your own value to it.
If we want to discuss this logically, then a spirit certainly wouldn't fit into our current understanding of the world. You should watch some of the science lectures regarding particle physics, atomic theory etc, by people like Pr Brian Cox or Steven Hawking. Theory, but interesting :)
ulthea 1 week ago
@revron77 Basically I am just in disagreeance with you that pseudo science should be given equal merit to science. I think it is great that people work on such interesting topics as you mentioned, but it simply isn't equal in importance to science which is the only method that produces results.
Perhaps once day science may advance to include those, but for now it doesn't.
ulthea 1 week ago
@ulthea Yeah, maybe we should give astrology the same merit as astrophysics, and alchemy with chemistry
petion2010 6 days ago
@petion2010 Hehe exactly!
Sadly, I know very few people who question everything as much as I do. Both of my "rational" parents both claim to have had ghost experiences, funnily both were when they were young and happened while half asleep.
Humans are indeed funny creatures.
ulthea 6 days ago
@Molothetwo
true faith is spirituality,and spirituality is about understanding the inner self (in your case your own self) while looking into the own self.
this kind of investigations brings a totally new kind of knowledge wich enables to understand the outern world much better,INCLUDING SCIENCE.
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sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
science is a very universal and relative term.
there are two kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the science of the inner world (mysticism,ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
the last thing one should permit is to allow somebody to denie spirituality as well as spiritual traditions (christianity,islam,buhdism etc..) through monopolizing science.
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
there are two diffrent kinds of science.
the science of the outern world (math,physics,astronomie,biologie etc..)
as well as the
science of the inner world (ascetims,spiritual travel,meditation etc...).
both of them are equally relevant and important.
part5
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@sofianbelhedi "both of them are equally relevant and important."
While I agree that meditation can have some personal benefits, you cannot put it into the same category as spiritual travel. They are not even in the same ball park! Science = knowledge, and we simply do not have knowledge of astral travel. No body has been able to prove this in a scientific setting, therefor it falls into the realm of pseudo science. Our brain is required to send and receive info, it is unlikely at best.
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@Molothetwo
i also thought faith and reason are in contradiction for till i reached 28 years of age.
now i got it.
many so called "atheists" including my own "ex-self" like to "dismiss" faith with science,as if science is against faith,and as if being a professor of quantum physics or evolution gives the right ot to be faithfull.
this is of corse absurd.
part1
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
in the corse of things,the man talking in the video is monopolizing science for him self and for a group of people he likes to identify with.
again there are two diffrent kinds of science.
and they are parellel,they may meet somewhne but not before enlightenment is reached.
part7
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
@Molothetwo
of corse another thing contributing to the confusion,is that many so called scienctists like the one talking in the video like to fight against what is described as christianity because it is linked to a figure wich is claimed to be a god or son of god and is a human at the same time.
so these persons have lots "to discuss".
but he didn't see that spirituality is much much much wider than christianity.
sofianbelhedi 1 month ago
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This is stupid. There are other forms of knowledge other than intelligence: Namely, revelation (from God), intuition and wisdom. This is all given by grace. Atheists are too linear in their thinking and understanding.
Pilgrim1411 1 month ago
@flexpage
So, guess what , DNA just needs itself to repair itself !
Oh, and I completely agree with you , true logic and science does refute the pseudo-science just spewed out by you.
Better luck next time.
mynameszz 2 months ago
I do believe in god, but I also want to be a biologist and obviously I believe in evolution and the big bang. The stories in the bible are just that -stories. They teach us lessons and tell us more about our self, much like a classic novel. Of course evolution and the big bang are true, and it is foolish to try and deny their existence. But I also think that you shouldn't not believe in god just because religious stories are not "true". Man's perception on god has no bearing on his existence.
imjtblanton 2 months ago
Truth is determined by what the majority of scientists believe who are more intelligent than the rest of the human race and are amused that anyone would believe in a God. Chortle, Chortle, Chortle.
horseman528 2 months ago
In conclusion. People with low education can be considered god's people and people with high education can be considered satan's people.
IFasz 2 months ago
@IFasz o really? People who think are God people. People who go after money are satan people :p
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape LOW education as in they don't think. They follow their religion without question. All those who question can be considered to be satans people having been granted knowledge by satan. (The forbidden fruit)
Knowledge shatters innocence and ignorance which is of course very bad if your peasants are questioning your orders (religious institution). So basically don't question our authority or you're siding with satan........... seems legit >.>
IFasz 2 months ago
@IFasz Really, Low education? Dude i am silver medalist in top university of My country and i am an Engineer, An electrical Engineer LOOL. Please lmao, low education, Dude The proof of God? U know the law of causality?
flexpape 2 months ago
@IFasz We STUDY the same science books as u do but we also gain religious knowledge so who is better? Who is more educated? u or us LOL
flexpape 2 months ago
If you religious folk are so smart, can you at least learn the English language? Saying things like; "He don't", while badmouthing educated authors is unacceptable.
Nathanis23 2 months ago
meh !! God delusion is the most illogical book written based on haterd and have no true knowledge of whatsoever about religion.
An atheist who don't know about religion debates about religion is ridiculous. And you believe and have faith in "by chance"
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape Be honest, you've never read the book, have you?
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump i did read some of it and it was enough to made me laugh... the ultimate 747. Mecca bulldozers ,,, cmon man.....
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape Don't blame the fact that you didn't understand it on Dawkins.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump No dawkins don't know what religions are :)
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape He does. Generally, atheists tend to know far more about religion than religious folks
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump Really lol..... lmao, Well bring on lol, let me see who is this "Atheist" who knows more religion.. lol, Dude he blamed Religions for wars lmao ask him to read Encyclopedia of war and read only 7% fights were recognized as to have some kind of religious conflict.
U call this knowledge? No he is just an arrogant religion hater lol
flexpape 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump And his famous most stupid argument, who created God, i mean cmon, i think even the most retard engineer can answer this question just by using elementary physics. Lian is right. New atheists are not intellectually bright.
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape That question is a response to the stupidargument from theists that something can't come from nothing therefore God created it. Not only does the logic not connect, it's a childlike statement to make. If you say something can't come from nothing you have to have an answer for that question. Myths have nothing to do with physics, and anyone who thinks they do is an idiot.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump no dude, i am not an idiot , i just asked a basic question... are u trying to deny the law of Causality?
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape You didn't ask a question, you made an ignorant comment. Causality has nothing to do with that idiotic comment. You're throwing around words you read or heard on the internet without understanding them. You can't use science to prove your myths
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump lmao, Dude i am an engineer and we have to deal with causal systems all the time. Dude everything that includes time must have a cause. If u deny this u deny a law NOT A THEORY. Go read, that is why we say atheists are intellectually not bright <3.
flexpape 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump Nothing produce Nothing. There is No theory that says physical laws bring about the universe. So what came first ? Chicken or Egg? Laws or Universe?
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape Yeah, a lot of claims are made by kooks on the internet about their education and credibility. If you had any background in science, you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous point. If you understood physics, you'd know that the universe is bound by a specific set of physical laws, but it doesn't mean that universes (ours may not be the first) that have existed were bound by the same laws. The chicken evolved from lower reptiles and its ovum was a part of the evolution......retard.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump mate a used a famous idiom of " what comes first chicken or egg" and u made it evolution LOL... Dude loool cmon man, we engineers know what physics is and we are WELL aware of what Maths is. And yes ur pseudo scientific myths are a joke :). Explain to me just these two facts if u know more science
1- Law of causality
2- Abiogenesis
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape "We engineers" HAHAHA!!!!!!!! I didn't realize you english (i'm guessing) you guys call mechanics engineers too, HAHA. The problem with the theories you're pretending to understand is that you think it's perfectly logical to presume that if science hasn't explained the origins of life, it must prove that god did it.. It's a ridiulous leap of logic.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump But hey you just said that since science have a pre big bang theory so God do not exist.? i Find it more childish , seriously, again i will say, The atheists are NOT intellectually bright. Okay just leave abiogenesis , i will only consider now the law of causality. The dawkins ultimate boeing 747 was so pathetic argument lol. I wonder if he was a good scientist or a good mathematician he must have known what law of causal system states and how it is related with who created God.
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape No, I didn't, and no scientists has ever said that. Yes, that includes Dawkins. All that science has ever said is that no evidence exists for the existence of a god.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump o.O i just gave u one from natural science. I haven't even touched Logical science..... and then religious science. The problem is, you study few books and most of people who teach u are atheists but We study everything <3
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape you gave me a flawed interpretation of natural science. There is a reason that the vast majority of scientists are atheists, and it's not because you're more intelligent than them. Dawkins is a biologist, yet you cclaim to know more than he does about the origins of life. Oxford doesn't alow just anyone a professorship.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump Man i haven't touched evolution. I am merely attacking the foundation of evolution and that is abiogenesis and even a ordinary guy who have studied chemistry for about 12 classes can easily tell the flaws of this theory. Secondly, why dawkins and people are reluctant to believe in God, we get that answer from religious science but obviously you and him are woefully ignorant of what a religion is. Thirdly, i merely used the basic concept of Time and a universal law to prove God.
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape
Please show how "just attending 12 classes of chemistry" disproves abiogenesis .Unless and until , if you have even attended 12 classes of chemistry.
mynameszz 2 months ago
@mynameszz ERR here we call grade as a class.... so 12 constant grades reading chemistry sounds fine? And yes the Chemistry tells us that Abiogeneis is IMpossiBle.
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape
The subjects of Organic Chemistry and Biochemistry (both being sub-disciplines of Chemistry by the way) , disagree with you.
mynameszz 2 months ago
@mynameszz enlighten me that abiogenesis is possible? i mean i'll just tell u that chemistry says NO to the formation of DNA and its repair system both can NEVER be produced simultaneously cuz once a DNA is made if there is NO repair system it will oxidize probably and will get destroyed instead of evolving LOL.
LOGIC AND SCIENCE both disagrees with pseudo-science concepts
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape
Chemistry doesn't say no to the formation of DNA , lol.Biochemistry would be completely wrong otherwise , which is not the case . It is a macro molecule created by polymerization.It consists of two long polymers of simple units called nucleotides, with backbones made of sugars and phosphate groups joined by ester bonds.As far as repair mechanisms go , DNA doesn't INSTANTLY COMPLETELY oxidize . In most cases an uncorrupted strand is used as template for correcting the damaged strand .
mynameszz 2 months ago
@mynameszz i never said chemistry says no to the formation of DNA, I Said chemistry says no to the formation DNA using the technique of abiogenesis... Dude, before evolution could happen DNA will oxidize because of NO healing system if u even is able to make DNA using abio genesis
Do not misinterpret my words :p
And yes u guys believe in Pseudo science , my point was straight forward.
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape
I accept your concession.
mynameszz 2 months ago
@mynameszz why don't u try out watch?v=xXkUgW0-W1M and watch out for urself the lies of your media <3
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape DNA is being formed in laboratories as we speak using the process of abiogenesis.
True-fact.
As the other guy said; better luck next time.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred are you alright? lol... please proof?
flexpape 1 month ago
@flexpape "Through the Wormhole" - Season 1: Episode 5: "How Did We Get Here?"
It's here on Youtube.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@lumpheadthump Universities have allowed Mathematicians like John Lennax to teach too :p. We have people like Kaku but hey they are "our" scientists lol
flexpape 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump i just raised two simple questions, ok i am not knowledgeable but i assume u are so u can answer them right? :D
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape What I know about biology is what I learned at university. I'm in aviation, but the points you're arguing aren't even graduate level points
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@lumpheadthump abiogenesis, a pseudo science lol... ya ya science will prove it one day LOL. u having faith in pseudo science? :p when Chemistry says it is impossible
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@flexpape You don't have to understand it. Just know that the truth is the truth whether or not you believe it.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
IN CONCLUSION: ONLY GOD COULD CREATE EVOLUTION!
EGMAG 3 months ago
Liberals and neo cons support paper currency with central banks, and feel justified in the transfer of wealth, and scientists go along for the ride. IQ and understanding of monetary policy or liberty don't match up at all well.
upgrade01a 3 months ago
Murry Rothbard was agnostic. Ayn Rand was an atheist. Ron Paul is a hard-core Christian, all believing the same economic theory. I am atheist, American, and know that if we had free markets, I could make or grow whatever I want in my back yard, and sell it in the front yard. Central planning correlates with scientific thought, but not with liberty. People with high IQ tend to dislike liberty, and love centrally planning, so they tend to be liberal and authoritarian.
upgrade01a 3 months ago
I have read Richard Dawkin's Book the Good Delusion and enjoyed watching this video. Thank you very much for uploading this video. Thumbs up.
longname25 3 months ago
@longname25 Oh ..sorry. I mean the God Delusion. It was an honest mistake. I still enjoyed reading into Richard Dawkin's insights into religion.
longname25 3 months ago
@TheManInBlackChannel Not only rocks, bonds all of us regardless of our gender, race, nationality, ethnicity without set guidelines, symbols, flags, etc. We present ourselves with our clarity of minds without ambiguities, facts seeking and accepting no BS. I salute you from Iran.
BabackKhorramdin 3 months ago
I have a video of Dawkins caving, admitting that science is based on faith, that is in context he was talking about hypothesis and theory and educated guesses. Science is based on a naturalistic paradigm and assumes their is no god. It isn't that God is unscientific, ulitmately God is beyond empiricism and the scientific method as it is packaged by most scientists today. If you can't measure it it ain't real and I tell ya God don't fit in any test tube.
1963Syracuse 3 months ago
Evolution is not science.
watch?v=HoKVVYJ8KJM
JungleJargon 3 months ago
YouTube is filled with neo-atheist hypocrites. Oh we're freethinking, open-minded, intellectually superior individuals that think for ourselves and don't follow authority. yeah right...truth is they are moronic sheep being sucked along with the herd out to reinforce their narrow minded indoctrinated view by parroting arguments and points of view that come not from their thinking but from their 'superior' authority. Wow..you've read about evolution, duh!, therefore God doesn't exist, You clowns.
pompousprick 3 months ago
@pompousprick Funny, that is the exact way we think of you, except it is actually supported by experience.
DeathsWill228 3 months ago
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@DeathsWill228 "Funny, that is the exact way we think of you, except it is actually supported by experience"
So besides acknowledging that you are a neo-atheist hypocrite by using 'we' to reply to a comment directed at neo-atheists hypocrites, what exactly does your tiny, presumptuous mind imagine to know about me?
pompousprick 3 months ago
I'm preaching unbelief and I'm unbabtizing christians in the name of this guy :D
insanewarlock666 3 months ago
@TheManInBlackChannel Hell yeah!
RichtoffenRoach 3 months ago
@PaladinswordSaurfang
If you're in a public school, then bring it to the attention of the principal, and continue going higher up the ladder of authority til you get it fixed.
PurplePeopleEater4 4 months ago
my christian biology teacher refused to teach us evolution...
PaladinswordSaurfang 4 months ago
more intelligent = more likely to be an atheist.
Bruno34741 4 months ago
@Bruno34741 christians are fags retards idiots jews blacks and assholes
loveandlove231 4 months ago
@loveandlove231 you realize how dumb that comment in consideration to your name is?
2Draco39 4 months ago
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Without the truth, there can be no real morality, justice, equality, success, freedom, love, security, peace, spirituality or even survival. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the truth of life.
AllThatYouSense 4 months ago
I'm listening.
maxwellpassion 4 months ago
I'm listening.
maxwellpassion 4 months ago
lol I am quite shocked at the negative votes towards all of the pro-religion comments, why can't you guys learn to love each other lol
not even quoting any religion teachings right now, but should you guys really try to get along? some people see a duck in the picture, some sees rabbits, but who gives a damn what people really see in life?
religious or not, we r still only humans, and scientific or not, i think we can all agree that humans r a species that live by relying on each other?
tonythebully 4 months ago
@tonythebully I think the reason we don't get along is this. Christians look down on and pity anyone not of their faith since deep down they believe you are going to hell. Even if they are not trying they come off as condensing and pushy( trying to save) Atheist are nearly the same they believe many religious folk are foolish for not even attempting to question, look for evidence or listen. Atheist feel superior since deep down only a fool would believe in what they think is fairy tales
Xatasha6611 4 months ago
@Xatasha6611 ...I research religion all the time. I listen, I just don't believe. If you believe that's cool, too. Why should such a small difference between otherwise alike beings cause conflict? Peace and love, guys.
AlphaOrigin 4 months ago
@AlphaOrigin Religion lets a person say my god choose me to be superior to you. They may say it in a polite way but that is what they think. Atheist fall into a similar trap with the I am smarter than you thinking. My opinion is that we are like pack animals and being the alpha is important.
Xatasha6611 4 months ago
@Xatasha6611 That's... very depressing...
AlphaOrigin 4 months ago
@AlphaOrigin I don't find it depressing. Trying to understand our nature and why we act the way we do is interesting.
Xatasha6611 4 months ago
@Xatasha6611 Perhaps, but shouldn't we try not to make ourselves better than one another? I always believed that it was enough to be better than you were yesterday.
AlphaOrigin 4 months ago
@AlphaOrigin Bettering one's self is a great goal but we have to remember to show respect to our fallow man.
Xatasha6611 4 months ago
@Xatasha6611 I agree completely.
AlphaOrigin 4 months ago
@PAULOcbi I don't think you are understanding what I am saying correctly. I am not saying that there aren't many morals that are "written on the hearts of the human person," i.e. Innate as you are saying (which comes straight from the Catchism of the Catholic Church). Rather I am saying that there must be something that grounds these morals if they are to be objective and not subjective. Which is why I asked the question of do you see these innate ethics as objective or subjective values/morals?
BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
I left when I heard Dawkins voice
carlosrockapx 5 months ago
@carlosrockapx: You should leave this world as well. Good luck searching for the pearly gates for an eternity.
chinopisces 5 months ago
@chinopisces yeah, I'll look for an universe in which Dawkins has the guts to debate with Craig
carlosrockapx 5 months ago
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Big surprise the fundamentalist believers are the most uneducated people on the planet.
topturkey2 5 months ago
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STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 5 months ago
@MrArpas123 You say you're a man of science and god. I've looked at your channel. You're a man of pseudo-science for sure and as there's no god, you're a man of nothing. I suggest you strike 'man' from your title as well
fdasherv 5 months ago
There is a much much stronger correlation between IQ and Race, and there are tons and tons of more studies to support it (ironically some from Dawkins' OxfordU). Yet why no one speaks of it? Oh right, it's politically incorrect and it hurts other peoples feelings. Many of you might not have faith in god, but you have faith in humanity which in turn is harmful as well and delusional of empiricism. Even Dawkins agrees that human equality by no means exists and that genetic determination is prime.
SirGeorge8600 5 months ago
@MrArpas123
Destroy Atheism? Are you sure you're a religious person, and not some violent and fascist idiot?
If you want people to TRULY appreciate and accept your faith, stop fighting for it. Stop pushing your faith onto others as 100% true facts. Religion, spirituality, and the HUNDREDS of other faiths in this world are not proven real, so keep it to yourself and atheists will do the same.
The only reason there's so many "unbelievers" is because theists push their faith EVERYWHERE as facts
AenimaJoe 6 months ago
I have found interesting to how some put it as "atheism vs. religion" when recently atheism is simply becoming a different kind of religion. I think we must first learn to drop the whole religion part and simple focus on what we can know by reason alone, such as the existence of an unconditioned reality outside of space/time.
BeatMasterPhil 6 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil
Sorry to break your bubble, but Atheism is NOT a religion. It is defined as a LACK of one. That's like saying, "Not smoking is a habit."
PinkGrapefruit001 5 months ago
@PinkGrapefruit001 I wasn't saying what atheism is supposed to be or not be, but rather what many proclaimed atheists are turning it into. Honestly, a true atheist will be very indifferent towards all of this religion & stuff because it doesn't matter when it comes down to it anyway; same with life in general since in the end we all end up the same. We can use many things in this world to give purpose, but when it comes down to it a true atheist must proclaim there is not true purpose to life.
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil
Hahaha, a "true atheist"? Did you find the definition of a "true atheist" in the Atheist Scriptures or something? Because I'm not familiar with the term "true atheist".
An atheist doesn't have to be an apatheist or a nihilist as you suggest. That's like saying a "true theist" must be a fundamentalist, evolution-denying, gay-bashing theocrat.
Atheism is merely a starting point. It's up to the individual to figure out what to do from there.
cartesiandualism 5 months ago
@cartesiandualism No, actually if one truly wants to a 'true' and consistent atheist in their reasoning and logic one would need to eventually need to come to those conclusions I mentioned, if they are complete honest and don't let emotions get in the way of their reasoning and logic. These are things that would need something to be grounded such as objective morality and an objective purpose to life.
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
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BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
@cartesiandualism Many have mentioned that morality is the biggest argument for God & against atheism, since you can't have you cake & eat it too. We must eventually come to the conclusion through reason & logic that nothing is truly wrong or right, it is either up to whatever is accepted at the time, who's making the rules, just an effect of evolution, etc.In the case of evolution, why should we trust anything we believe, since our brain could be tricking us since it would not be after truth.
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil
You understand that there is only one thing required to be a "true atheist" right? An atheist only need not to believe in a god. There is nothing more to the word "atheist" than that. If you were talking about a skeptic or a secular humanist then you would have a point. You should, however, drop the "true atheist" term unless you want to be the subject of ridicule.
cartesiandualism 5 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil actually Ethics are innate,Compassion the highest of the Ethical virtues is endowed on all parents and their off-spring at birth,if you are a father or mother you already know this is true and to deny it you sacrifice the Truth for Faith and this is what has been retarding civilization for a long time
PAULOcbi 5 months ago
@PAULOcbi "actually Ethics are innate" I agree, that is a very Catholic thing to say. As we do say that ethics is one of the things that is "written on the hearts of humans". Meaning that we have inklings toward these ethics, especially if we have a well-developed conscience. With atheism, these ethics are not objective or grounded in anyway. Just because a parent brings a child up to value compassion what makes that objectively right & sexually abusing the child objectively wrong, nothing.
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil wow! you are all over the place on this topic,lol. 'the Gentiles were not given the Law(TenCommandments) rather it was imprinted on the hearts of all men.'. So 1st you admit ethics are innate and then try to suggest maybe they are not in the same breath??!! Rather you should just admit ethics are innate and that religion has merely 'underlined' or 'highlighted' ethics in order to bring a sense of orthodoxy to a bunch of savages,...
PAULOcbi 5 months ago
@PAULOcbi The ethics are simply either due to evolution or some biological process, so how can we even trust that what our 'inateness' is telling us is even true? We can go a step further and say that if everything is due to some form of evolution then how do we know that anything our minds or body is actually truth, since our mind is not worried out truth value, but rather survival. It will tell us something false just for us to survive.
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil you convince the savages to obey their ethics by convincing them it comes from a higher source than yourself,a creator diety trumps all pagan dieties, otherwise they will laff at you,they are tribal and ignorant. All religious texts from BookOfTao,I Ching,Confucious,Bhagvad Gita,BookOfTheDead,Tanach,Gospels and Quran are simply mans` attempts to bring Ethics/Orthodoxy to a population in order to galvanize them and insure survival,nothing more.
PAULOcbi 5 months ago
@PAULOcbi "you convince the savages to obey their ethics by convincing them it comes from a higher source than yourself" Consistent reason and logic itself tells us that ethics must be grounded in a transcendent reality. Why? If it isn't grounded in some transcendent reality then nothing is truly wrong or right, as I mentioned above. There have been many who have tried to explain morality by material explanations, but unfortunately they are then led into may traps and false reason...
BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
@PAULOcbi ...Which is why morality is now regarded as one of the tops arguments for the existence of an unconditioned reality outside of space/time, since if you or anyone claims that something is objectively wrong or right they must give a reason, but that is where it usually falls apart because for it because nothing in space/time can ground morality in an objective sense. Morality becomes subjective or just falls apart. If one truly believes that morality doesn't exist there are bigger issues
BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil stop your nonsense and sophistry,we know Ethics are innate ,the light of Compassion,the highest of Ethical virtues is lit in evry parent and their offspring at birth,if you have children you know this without fail,so Ethics are innate,religion just underlines the Ethics for man ,.Next you`ll be saying you dint know muder and stealing were wrong til you read the TenCommandments ,lol.
PAULOcbi 4 months ago
@PAULOcbi Realize that all I am using here in mixed portions is reason, logic, and science. I think it would be wise to actually think about what is being said before sending out ad hominem attacks. Many of our fellow modernists claim to be torches of reason and logic, but fail to see the sorts of reason and logic that follows in the statements such as the ones that are made about morality and ethics.
BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
@PAULOcbi "Ethics are innate" My question would be are these innate ethics objective or subjective?
BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
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BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
@BeatMasterPhil more of your sophistry,Philo Judaeus called the church fathers "the sophists of literalness." Ethics are innate,do you think the Jews would have made it as far as even Mt.Sinai without them.Compassion is lit in all and off-spring at birth and not just in humans.What is subjective always becomes objective which is why the Ten Commandments were written out.We see ethical behaviour in a pack of wild dogs let alone us humans,you need a strong coffee pal.
PAULOcbi 4 months ago
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BeatMasterPhil 4 months ago
@PAULOcbi So the one who believes in atheism and also claims to point toward evolution for everything is self defeating for the fact that their mind could be telling them that there is no god simply for the fact of survival, not for the fact that there is no god is actually true. Now, I do see nothing wrong with evolution, but rather that the immaterial mind cannot come from material evolution, so there must be a point where the immaterial part of us is "infused".
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
@PAULOcbi So in summary that is one reason why morality is the big 'gotcha' to a consistent and logical atheism. Many atheists and atheist philosophers have realized this. The atheist can say that their morality is objective and that abusing a child is objectively wrong now, was objectively wrong 3000 years ago, and will always be objectively wrong into the future. But unfortunately they have no grounding for this objective morality. So abusing a child is only subjectively wrong within atheism.
BeatMasterPhil 5 months ago
Continuing on, faith that is not grounded is reason is an empty faith at its base, and can lead to such things as extremism. This is the reason why the Catholic faith must, and has always, come back to being grounded in reason. That doesn't mean that some people have caused to take a wrong turn, but we know it will always find its way back.
BeatMasterPhil 6 months ago
I think where many now-a-days miss the mark is on the "both/and" principle. For some reason people have been brought up to believe that faith and reason are in conflict, which is not, and can not, be the truth if our faith and reason is to be grounded in the same reality. Faith and reason are, and must be, in harmony when all is said and done. Many don't realize that that when is comes down to it faith, science, and reason must all be in harmony and that is exactly what the Church teaches.
BeatMasterPhil 6 months ago
No. The fact that most or nearly all scientists do not believe in God says more about the poor understanding religious people have about God than how good non-religious are at science. Peace. chuck
chumola9 6 months ago
I think like this. There were other religions before, and they don't exist anymore (they do, but nobody believes in them anymore) so why would i believe these ones? In 200 years there will already be a new religions, and there won't be any christians or muslims etc.
Fatpiepro 7 months ago
Dawkins dose a great impersonation of a female o.O
lol
bushiyo2 7 months ago
@woodenboii
"Many evolutionists comparitively could be just as delusional as religious folks [sic] if scaled to match each other."
-Yeah, hmmm, excepting that evolutionists base their opinions on all the evidence that has been provided to date ... whereas "religious folks" base their opinion on dogma and myth and hold the same forms of evidence in contempt.
But if you wish to pretend the two groups are somehow interchangeable in order to suit some predetermined perspective you hold, go ahead
arthurneddysmith 7 months ago
a god would not need to be in hiding for thousands of years and throw faith on humanity to say its real. it just doesnt make any logical sense that this is true at all. something so powerful just wouldnt need to do that period. there is no such thing as a god and thats the bottom line. where will i go when i die? more than likely where i was before my time of existence, no where at all.
trampledone 7 months ago
satisfy the need to believe in a reason for existence, thus these elaborate ideas are HUGE problems to solve, takes tons of abstract reasoning, and creative thinking. All the more reasons it would peak IQ potential, and give amusement to the mind leaving out the heart. DELUSIONS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!! THIS WORLD IS NOT OURS AND YOU ARE NOT YOURS WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT>the time will come!
woodenboii 7 months ago
of there society as children. There are many possible fallacies to this argument as a whole. Many evolutionists comparatively could be just as delusional as the religious folks if scaled to match each other. I do love the idea of understanding the world or atleast putting effort to. There is just entirely too many plausible perspectives to put on blindfolds and only understand it in one way. I searched and I found the Spirit. But in a paganistic world, there are going to be elaborate ideas to
woodenboii 7 months ago
both sides of the argument. I think science is a beautiful thing especially in the right hands. But it does lack the spirituality that everyone possesses and fails to identify the oneness of that in our race. As far as the IQ argument. I think that elite scientist should have high IQs to be an elite. That is quite obvious. They probably failed to test the "elite" "religious" society. The ones who thought through what they believed and didnt conform to what was the norm in there small circle of
woodenboii 7 months ago
physical world as evidence to there beliefs. The reasoning can go both ways on the matter, and ofcourse every side is going to make arguments that only go for there side. Its basically ignorance vs ignorance with lack of trying to understand each others arguments. I personally think the God theory has a lot more substantial reasoning to believe in. Considering how new the evolutionary realization is. Its more of an identification of how complex the world is and all its possibilities. I respect
woodenboii 7 months ago
i dont think this perspective on them not having religious beliefs or beliefs at all is fair to say. There religious beliefs are evolutionist beliefs, and they have all differents stems of personal beliefs on that main belief. Its similar as the God belief structure and all the stems on that, but instead of having faith in the physically unseen God "theory" and the physical world seen today as evidence. They have faith in the unseen evolutionary creationism "theories", and also use the.....
woodenboii 7 months ago
@FreeFormWar know what you are talking about before you make a statement atheist countries have the lowest number of divorces murders rapes killings pedophiles stealing. japan England Sweden France.most religious are out of control and have 5 to 10 times higher rates.go to new guinea and try and tell them that you are there distant cousin,they will slit your neck...............
IMINTHEMOMENTRU 7 months ago
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1universe even had a beginning,created i don't think so 2god to make the universe,he would have to be more complex 3 time and energy are forever(us universe) 5god is apart of universe or he is not,if not just a delusion 6can pick up any object and drop it,it will fall.if you re-played that forever,god is going to stop it 7god doing super natural things.god could make superman real 8all babies are atheist 9god came from nothing,made the whole universe,what would he made everything from himself!
IMINTHEMOMENTRU 7 months ago
god is logic = theoreticalphysics.webs.com
paginipro 7 months ago
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Atheists are Atheists untill there death bed arives,then they are forced to belive out of fear,even deval worshipers do the same. Fear is a great thing,it moves people to do things they would not do in good health. Its comman and just fine but here is the real problem. If they dont ask for forgivness at that last hour becouse there not shure what to do in there fear then It to late for them acording to scripture.
mystic81006 7 months ago
@mystic81006 Your comment demonstrates that fear really is a major requirement for your type of scripture to be believed just as much as superstition and profound ignorance.
thruthem 7 months ago 35
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@thruthem Fear the lord is all in the scriptures, If we dont fear we dont care,If you dont fear your parents you grow up to be a horrid spolid person,its no diffrent.
mystic81006 7 months ago
@mystic81006 A child is helpless and relies entirely on it's parents for protection and sustenance. Teaching a child to fear it's parents is essentially torture. Is this what you're advocating?
thruthem 7 months ago 23
@thruthem Torture? you say? really? LOL,You need to look up the real definishion of the word. You think its torture that that same child grows up to kill a whole family becouse they had no true fear of there consequences? I fear to go to prison if I mess up so is this also torture? Am I Tortured becouse I fear Anything? No,My children love me and are very happy and are very kind becouse they know if they act up they will be punished,its that fear that will make them know there are consequences.
mystic81006 7 months ago
@thruthem You belive there should be no punishemt for children then you also belive there should be no punishemt for men who rape little children all the same.You can think that kids who are not punished are the same as ones who are not your eyes are closed and you have not lived yet. You must be around 20? not having children yet? or mabey one? you need more experience in life to be able to have this very conversation.
mystic81006 7 months ago
@thruthem if the child thinks that it cant get a whoopin than its motivation to do good is less than one that thinks that the parrent will deal out JUDGEMENT
woods8870 3 months ago
@woods8870 Do you beat your cat & dog also?
thruthem 3 months ago
@thruthem i slap the shit out of the cat when it jumps up on my plate the dogs cool
woods8870 3 months ago
@woods8870 Congratulations! You are teaching your pets and children that using brute force toward loved ones is acceptable behavior (violence) especially when you are bigger and stronger (coercion & bullying) and that it's normal for loved ones to hurt you (sadomasochism).
thruthem 3 months ago
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@thruthem what would you do if your child called you a bitch
woods8870 3 months ago
@mystic81006 When children fear their parents it is called Child Abuse. You are clearly a victim of Deity Abuse.
lewisner 7 months ago
@mystic81006 If you think that fear is a good way to build any relationship, then you obviously had a very twisted childhood.
Fear only breeds fear.
I will admit that how I die does concern me, especially if it is long and painful. However, death itself holds no fears for me, as I believe that I will know nothing about it.
Mark Twain said that he did not fear death as he had been dead for thousands of years before he was born and it never bothered him. I echo that sentiment.
HonestMan395 7 months ago
@mystic81006 I don't fear my parents and I don't think I'm spoiled. Through all of our financial troubles I've never asked for them to buy a single thing. Even when the Wii they bought me in 07 broke, I haven't asked them to repair it. I don't complain. I don't need to. My parents treat me with love. So I don't fear them. I love them. Since you believe in God, don't fear Him, LOVE HIM.
AlphaOrigin 4 months ago
@AlphaOrigin You dont think your spoiled does not mean your not,Mabey your not,and mabey your the exeption,but this can not be said for every one,if it works for you great,but not every one is.
mystic81006 4 months ago
@mystic81006 I just don't think that you should assume that your child is going to be bad and make them fear you. Shouldn't we try to treat others with kindness and respect, even if they're younger and may need more patience before they understand why certain behaviours are inappropriate? Especially if they're our children.
AlphaOrigin 4 months ago
@AlphaOrigin There is no assuming here,either they are good or not,if they are not there has to be punishment,spare the wipe spoile the child and if you have more then one like we do you soon find it even harder becouse kids fight,they compeat and they sometimes hate each other.,there has to be a ballence of power and authority in the house hold.We always treat our children with love and respect but respect is earned in my house.We spank out kids but not real hard,just to warn.
mystic81006 4 months ago
@AlphaOrigin We are to not only teach our kids But also to let them know in life there is punishments to what you do. This way when they grow up and they are tempted to steal with there friends or kill some one they have already been tought a stearn lesson.they will already know there is a reaction to every action.If I do this this will happen.If a child like you have np real problems then thats great,less strees for your parents and I think more kids should be like this,But there not.
mystic81006 4 months ago
@mystic81006 A major problem with your thesis is that it contradicts one critical element: reality.
Countries like Sweden and Japan are atheistic & experience virtually zero violence or property crime when compared statistically with religious countries. Much of the violence against women, homosexuals, non-believers & minorities is promoted by theology. American prisons are filled with believers. As education expands, religious belief declines along with the need for prisons.
thruthem 4 months ago