Jesus leads His people by the Holy Spirit and does not make slaves out of them to pastors that get rich off of their tithes.Satan uses the bible to control with and keep people from getting in the Spirit and being controlled by Jesus. Constantine (sungod worshiper) Got King James (homo) to authorize the Bible 66 books born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland. more than Billion have the same Bible they say leads them to truth but all interpret it differently. Jesus/Truth Holy Spirit, Bible/history book!
The Ruckmanites who believe KJV was somehow inspired by God are heretics -- but they give the rest of us a bad name. Read this article for my reason why KJV is superior (because of the texts and other reasons) wwwDOTbiblefortodayDOTorg/Articles/answersDOThtm :)
No bible version is accurate.. the current bible was not what was revealed to Jesus neither was writen anywhere in the time of jesus.. It was writen by unknown men which wrote stories and SOME sayings of Jesus ACCORDING TO THEM.. so, i say, no bible is accurate.. all are full of fabrications and author personal views and testimonies which make it not a holy book but more like a documentry and a story book
@KingJamesBibleman The only one written by inspiration of God? I think you missed, you know, the text actually written by the prophets. Last time I checked, that was centuries before King James. You should really possibly consider putting your allegiance more toward the source text rather than a translation.
What ? what proof do you have ? I say my computer word document is writen by me by the inspiration of God and it says that KJV is not authentic.. How can you refute me ?
What proof do you have that KJV is writen by the inspiration of God ? if it is, than why are there so many contradictions in it ?
If you have a niv bible i dare u to read matt 17:21....wats that? U cant?lol kjv is easy to get twisted n cofused and thats why the devil tricks us into thinking kjv is the only....my question is whats the main purpose of the bible? And does ur bible show u the main purpose (salvation) ok then CASE CLOSED!
Religious person asks to prove logically why is one bible more accurate then the other.
News flash there is no logic in the bible. its a book of logical fallacies, appeals to emotions, contradictions and just wrong facts. If you truly apply logic to theme you are left with no bible :D.
Religious person asks to prove logically why is one bible more accurate then the other.
News flash there is no logic in the bible. its a book of logical fallacies, appeals to emotions, contradictions and just wrong facts. If you truly apply logic to theme you are left with no bible :D.
@tigerclaw1000 "The more atheistic the countries is the less cremes there are in it < A Fact! look at the statistics."
Ahan.. please show me.. from where have you read this and show me that stats.. my research shows the opposite.. please dont talk without evidence.. back up your statement with proof.. or should i post the stats ?
"And one more thing........ when you die nothing happens"
Any evidence for that ? please backup with your evidence or some logics..
how about the fact that niv and asv and etc. have omitted and changed scripture, oh never mind Rupert Murdoch right? he is CEO of the company that publishes the niv and a satanic bible, need more proof or should i stop there?
Paul is a prisoner in an Alexandrian ship (Acts 27:6 and later in Acts 28:11). Those ships were named Castor and Pollux–look them up in Strongs and you’ll see they’re ‘sons of Jupiter’ and were gods in Greek and Roman mythology. I'm sorry you ran into a snarky KJV lady, but being snarky yourself doesn't make your case either, we need to dig into God's Word. God bless you on your search for answers.
Alexandria on the other hand gets its first mention in Acts 6:9 where they’re ‘disputing with Stephen’ a man said to be ‘full of the Holy Ghost’ in v5. Apollos in Acts 18:24-26 knows only John's baptism and needed Priscilla and Aquila to ‘expound unto him the way of God more perfectly”. Telling because the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 the apostles nail down salvation by grace through faith (Acts 15:11) and nearly TEN years later in Acts 18 Alexandria doesn’t have clear teaching on the gospel.
Not our responsibility to convince you, per 2Tim 2:15. But consider Antioch vs Alexandria. Antioch-filled with teachers ministering, fasting, and separated for a missionary work (Acts 13:1-4), disciples first called Christians (Acts 11:26), Nicolas full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom and a proselyte of Antioch (Acts 6:5), the base of missionary operations in the early church (Acts 14:26), who incidently ‘turned the world upside down’ (Acts 17:6-7), a hub of Bible study (Acts 15:35).
further i need to say who are you to challenge god? i mean god he is his word! the 2 are the same? jeremiah 23:36ye have perverted my word.rev 22:18-19 there is 1 god then 1 word and you call me an acult? there is a woman telling me i have to now take my athority from a woman because of the niv! this woman called mans church now a homosexual church! i and jesus our lord is a homosexual now this is what your bible breeded you and them will go to hell forever thats what i have for youi
and i would like you to post a responce on here after doing the simple 2 hour video proof on my page gail riplinger and tell everyone you stand for these new books so we know to never let you into one of our churches
@johninitforfun Considering the fact that you feel a need to "never let" me "into one of" your "churches" is all too telling. You act as if the building holds God's presence. Not to mention, who are you to withhold the word of God from anyone? You should be ashamed of yourself.
@johninitforfun Today's church's built by mans hands don't have the Holy Spirit, All they do is give life to the Bible and make it speak (the bible says) and will not ever say any more, (lets get in the Spirit) instead they say (lets open our Bibles). They interpret it the way they want and make it lie in favor of their own belief (denomination) Satan can use the bible he CAN'T use the Holy Spirit. Ask Jesus for the Holy Spirit! Jesus will build his Church, not some building! No Spirit No Heaven
I prefer the King James bible personally, and not because the Elizabethan text "sounds more spiritual"! (That's why most people who don't like the King James think we like it more...) I've had the NIV then ESV, for a while. After I got the King James I noticed how corrupt most of the bibles are and how most of the new versions come with their own hidden agenda, or not so hidden most of the time. Although I wouldn't classify myself as KJO, I would say that a good argument can definitely be made.
Because it comes from the proper, non-tampered with texts. For the KJV Only argument , even if were just the best and not perfect why would anyone want to use second rate, tampered with texts?
True kjv is a word for word translation,look at the niv and look up the verse Mat 12:47 ,you cant its GONE! ok how about Mat:17:21 nope gone also,Mat 18:11 ,wow gone too hmm see a trend here? want more? Mark 7:16 gone! Mark 9:4 yep gone! Mark 11:26 GONE!! get the picture? this is just one bible ! God Bless and i pray your eyes will be opened , i use to think like you also!
@TheKJVberean I'm not really saying it's bound as much as I'm saying that people using their obsession with the King James to make it seem as if it is the actual Word of God, and the only Word of God. Clearly that isn't the case, since the Word was written before English even existed...
@baliveforchrist1 posted, " Also 1 John 5:7 KJV says there arethree that bear record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit . Most modern Translations Just say there are three that testify but leave the latter part out."
Yes, this section and a number of other trinitarian verses are not found in any of the older manuscripts. Most modern translations leave them out. Some, like the NWT, include them with a note that they are not found in early manuscripts.
This is a funny challenge! Worded just like a person that believes in the evolution theory..
First lets insult them by calling them a "cult"...the ev believers always say that "the average person can not understand the depths, blah blah"....straw man anyone?
Second, how about you get off your duff and study it out? Your the one who has the problem with it, not the ones that have accepted the KJV as the only true Bible.
@Smurf431 ...What? I notice you never actually give a logical argument. You do, however, show your vast ignorance in saying I'm an evolutionist. Quite on the contrary, I believe in creationism. Not that I have to explain myself to someone as seemingly simple-minded.
@CovertAgent7 i will give you an arguement gail riplinger new age bibles got in my videos over 2 hours long why its no good. saten is called jesus in niv you are not to offend homosexuals in niv a sin punishable by death eturnal google niv perversion removed sodomite and the bible makers said it was created to not offend the churches! really budist muslim catholics you been fooled by the devil into a one world religion and you run with it study very well 2 thessalonians 2:10-12 this is you
@Smurf431 Well stated Smurf, An opinion that the KJV is the only way(which I believe is best for me) is a preference. On the other hand no one died to bring you the NIV, NASB or any other translation that I am aware, The KJV has sole rights to that claim, plus I believe these are the last days and I(personally) would not trust anything put together in this Laodicea church age.
We are not "a cult" because we prefer, we just prefer, Smurf did not say you are an evolutionist, He said "like"
It's the only book that has brought nation and world wide revivals.there's no copy rights like the others have.sit down with an NIV and a KJV.and go threw verse by verse and see whats missing and attacked. try starting with rev 22:16 were Christ said that He's the bright and morning star.compered with isa 14:12 were the niv gives this title to satan. whats your final authority? ( stupid onlyism ? ) don't be miss lead.
@TheKJVberean Nowhere does it say "perserve the text." in the Bible. Christians believe that God's word which was written by the prophets and apostles is the original writtings. Manuscripts and copies of it are NOT inspired, or we as Chrsitians would have a really big problem due to the fact that there are over 1 million copy errors within the known manuscript Text. 90% of which are spelling mistakes. Which manuscripts that were used are not inspired nor does the word of God indicate such as.
sounds like to me you are already set to believe what you want, when you say "you doubt any one can", and you call those who believe in the KJV "cults". Let me just say that all those who were saved under KJV preaching, do you consider them not saved? I have a KJV bible, and I know I'm saved. All I have to do is look at what all the other perversions say compared to the KJV, and it's very clear which one is correct. If you can't see that, you may not have the Holy Spirit residing with you.
Which King James Version is the only word of God? The 1611 edition, the 1769 Oxford edition? This really isn't a Christian debate because the King James Bible only applies to English speaking Christians. To a non-english speaking person it isn't even an issue. What IS the Holy Word of God is the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. Everything else is a translation of..
@CovertAgent7 It all comes down to only one thing. Simply ask them, "do I need the KJV in order for me to have eternal life?" When they say 'no', so ends the topic. Sadly though, it isn't a requirement for salvation, but they will shun any other Christian for not using it.
And so shows the illogical narrow mindset that you are dealing with.
@pretoshohmoofc Not everyone who uses a King James Bible is like that. Every group has its bad apples. I am a King James Bible Believer, but that does not mean I am afraid of the new versions. I am sure there are many genuine born again Christians who use an NIV, or NASV, or any other modern version. Slavation is solely based on whether or not a person believes on the LORD Jesus Christ. Now, if you've been shown the Bible version issue and if you know the deletions that are in many of the
@177Jeremiah7 Oh I agree, I personally LOVE the KJV. My father also used and loved it. it was the only bible that he used. The KJV of the Bible was a beautifully written work, which our nation was built upon. Simple folk hacking it out of the wilderness with a very classy and poetic writtings that gave simple people a sense of royal herritage. It's not the KJV that I find silly, it's the KJames only klan I find rather short in reason.
@pretoshohmoofc (continued) new versions, and how important doctrines that are essential to Christianity have been weakened. To list a couple: the Deity of Jesus Christ and the Blood Atonement. After having the evidence shown to you, and then you still choose to use and teach out of the modern translations rather than the King James Bible, then there must be a level of accountability on your part.
@177Jeremiah7 I couldn't disagree more. As an expert in dealings with cults, I know that Fringe groups like the Jehovah's Wickedness; Mormons; Christian Science; Unitarianism; Moonies; Severnth-Day Adventists; Herburt W. Armstrongism etc were started based on the KJV alone. Now, I'm not saying this was due to the KJV, but I will say that I know of Oneness Pentecostals who hide behind the KJV in their denial of the Trinity. I know, because I have experienced it personally .
@pretoshohmoofc- Good for you brother, keep exposing the errors of the KJB-only error which causes division in the Body of Christ:
1611 vs. 1769
Ruth 3:15 — “he went into the citie” vs. “she went into the city” Psalm 69:32 — “seeke good” vs. “seek God” Mark 10:18 — “There is no man good” vs. “there is none good” (note that now “there is” is marked as being added by the translators for clarity)
Do you know even the Catholics used the textus receptus up to the point where the bible was translated into English. When Eramus was compiling texts to use he couldn't find an alexandrian version.
Thought you were "OUT OF HERE". Well if you insist. As far as hell is concerned I am as close to hell as I will ever get. Eight miles under my feet there is molten rock and minerals and thats as close as I am going to get! Jesus tasted death for EVERY MAN, yes, that means YOU TOO. Since Jesus demonstrated His love by suffering our hell, we have every reason to accept his "gift" by FAITH. I do not have to 'long' for a loving FATHER, He says He loves me just as He does His Son!
You are absolutely free to do and think any way you choose, but you should admit to yourself at least that you are stuck in your progression to God. Why would God set up a system that is so ambiguous, as to have to depart from reason, and then condemn those that couldn't follow it. Time to start getting real with this. If you child killed someone, would you resort to tieing him up in your basement and torturing him for eternity? Neither would God...Think.
My faith has been tested--God has proven Himself in many ways to me. These moments of 'revelation' came after "FAITH" in what HE said in His Word He would do. My Faith is not Blind. But it started with a command to have FAITH. My faith is NOT supposed to STAND in the realm of Human wisdom or reasoning. So why should I lend weight to limited human reasoning, such as your self-schemed scenario? It is not hard to see at the heart of your scenario is a person who thinks God is UNJUST.
@locustweed You idiot, I'm saying God is unjust but the god of your fucking bible is not.....Are you insane?
Yes, and you can't figure out my meanings either. I'm wasting my time with you. Look here's your last chance:
The real God would never give his children free will and then judge them to everlasting fucking damnation, no matter WHAT they did!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR god would......Deduction: YOUR FUCKING GOD IS A MONSTER> And you'll never figure it out. done with you.
You have a FREE WILL to CHOOSE THE GOD (Jesus Christ) or reject HIM. Christ Jesus DIED YOUR HELL FOR YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ONE SECOND IN HELL I F Y O U D O N' T W A N T T O ! You choose your own destiny my friend.
@locustweed You can frame any concept you like; the fact is that when we we born God gave us free will to live life and choose to love him or reject him, just like any loving person would. If we choose to love him and seek his guidance, we will be on the fast track to becoming like him. If we do not, (he does not choose to torture us in hell forever!), rather, he is still a loving God and has not gone schizoid on us. Our path will be more arduous and we will suffer along our journey, cont.
@locustweed but in no way do we have to worry about suddenly having our father turn on us. When we pass into the spirit world we continue to grow whether it is on a track to God, (divine love), or on a natural love, (our own idea). The natural love path is obviously what Adam and Eve chose, because GIVEN THE FREE WILL OPTION, chose to try to do things their own way. Banished from the garden of course, TORMENTED IN HELL, sorry buddy, a loving God, yes he is still loving, cont.
@locustweed has endless patience just like you learned in sunday school. How do we know this?
Because God allowed them to grow and have children, doing things their own way, yes they still had free will, and the proof is that WE, Mr. Head in the King James Version, a descendants of Adam and Eve. Still living our lives, not in hell, but on this earth, growing, yes, with free will, as even you have, to waste your life talking about your King James, and me trying to get you to get your cont.
@locustweed head out of your arse, and look at reality. The infinite God, who is all knowing, all loving, and all powerful, created us in his image, infinite, not crawling, sniveling worms who have to worry about damnation. Our life in infinite, not having to worry about some god damn forsaken hell, but in life,my friend. Ever growing, having painful experiences without God and more pleasurable ones with God, until all will finally be in his loving arms. None will fry forever in your cont.
@locustweed catholic inspired sick, fucking hell, but will be in heavenly realms forever. You can use your kindergarten years here on earth to worry and condemn others who are not confined to your self imposed box of existence, where you have to constantly fixated, and shake over the monster-god who is just waiting to watch you roast in hell. Have you ever noticed that the hell you are talking about is always for the other dope who doeesn't believe what you believe.. cont.
@locustweed Is that God speaking or your man made book trying to get people to come back to church again and again to keep paying their 10% of their income to an obscene corporation who controls the masses literally, with dogma that frightens people to death? Is your god the one who will slap your ass down quicker than your own father beat you? or is he the loving father you wished you had? Time to start dealing with some tough questions my friend, because the truth of the matter is, cont.
@locustweed that you are not qualified any manner to determine which of the translations of the book are more valid or more true than any other. And after you are done wasting your life on these worthless books, maybe you can move to Hindu and Islamic and Zorastrian books to start working on their insane notions of how to what god is There will be an endless supply of paper and words for you to digest and try to figure out. Stop and think man. You don't have to think cont.
God has chosen me and ordained me to "bring forth fruit". You are not the yard stick to measure my worth and usefulness, thank God! Hope you will come to your senses someday. Until then I consider you as an opportunity to share what Christ's love with. I beseech you therefore, be reconciled to God! Jesus paid it all for you! "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and THOU SHALT BE SAVED".
@locustweed I'm not amazed at how easily you dismiss all the points I made because you live in a delusional world where god talks to you. And for your information, I am nearing 60 yrs of age and have spent approx. 40 of those years as a christian.....Hint: It doesn't matter how many times you ask Jesus into your life, it's all in your head and nothing will happen, because that is not how the universe works. Stop wasting you time in delsusion. PS there is nothing to be saved from except you.
@locustweed about which book is right and who is going to hell. You're already in hell, a hell that God has allowed you to make, because, that's right, you still have free will. Free will to sit in a corner and wonder and think and debate and argue and after it is all done, have no earthly or divine knowledge, and be no further along any path in growth than you were when you started. So, get off the bible treadmill, and start longing in your heart for that loving father.
I'll do you one better; none of the versions is valid. If you cannot verify what a book says, how can you act as if it has been proven sound? How in the world can you live your whole life based on other people's versions of reality? If you go to church every sunday for 30 years, that is a lot of indoctrination and conditioning. If you were born Hindu you'd be speaking only of that as the truth.
Any way you look at it, we here on earth have no idea what is happening with spirituality.
That's a simple task indeed--CHUCK THEM ALL! That does not take much intellect or effort on your part. But it is not as simple as that. Just because you are in denial does not mean you are off the hook. There have been many a Hindu converted to Christ after hearing the Gospel message from the Bible. Being indoctrinated and conditioned is no problem for God's Spirit to break through. The TRUTH is refreshing enough to be attractive to a weary soul seeking God's love, and abandon that which binds.
@locustweed I'm not sure if you grasped my intended meaning. What I am saying is that the bible has many good and sound concepts for our growth included. But, it has been exposed over many years to those who had the opportunity to corrupt sections of it to suit their own purposes. My question to you is: Are you able to
distinguish between the truly inspired word and the corrupted parts? I know I'm not. So, that's what I was trying to say....how do you put your full trust in a book?
Somewhere we must trust God. Very few are able to do this; to believe Him that His WORDS are preserved somwhere in the earth. It is a promise found in Psalm 12:6-7. So it is not a matter of 'how am I going to know which parts are inspired and which are have been manipulated and corrupted by man for selfish purposes. It comes down to WHERE are His preserved, inspired Words in the world today. According to His promise they are HERE! It is determining now WHICH ONE is it. I choose the KJV
@locustweed You don't trust God.. all I have to say is Jesus said the gospel, Mark 16:15-16. And I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The KJV is not the only inspired version.
@locustweed We must trust God; this does not logically extend to believe he would leave words on earth; right there you are departing from logic. Your ability to dismiss this fundamental question says all one needs to know. Faith is important, but it wasn't meant to be used in any question you cannot answer. You have come to the point where you are baffled with the question and are resorting to the only thing you know, relying on the unprovable book. cont
If you are trying to convince me then shouldn't I follow the same principle you have layed down? Why should my "FAITH" extend to comments made by you as I would be relying upon an untested unprovable frail human? "FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN". God says "faith" can be used to venture out in HOPE.
"And Judas went out and hanged himself"--Not everything in the Bible for US. Not everything hinges on salvation. I have already addressed this anyway. Praise Jesus!
@locustweed Yes, it does. Be baptized FOR the remission of your sins, the SAME EXACT GREEK CONSTRUCTION for why Jesus poured out His blood. Matt 26:28 did He die BECAUSE our sins were already forgiven???
Notice that verse 38 isn't the only verse in Acts 2. In fact, Peter even told his listeners how to be saved BEFORE verse 38! Acts 2:21, Peter quotes from Joel 2 and says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Verse 38 cannot stand alone. Matt 12:41"..because they repented at (eis) the preaching of Jonas. Does this mean that the men of Nineveh repented "in order to get" the preaching of Jonah? No, What Greek 'construction'?
@locustweed No, Peter did not tell them how to be saved. "Calling on the name of the Lord" was of yet undefined. That is NOT how men are saved, the simple act of verbally saying the Lord's name, for many will say to the Lord, "Lord, Lord".. but they will PERISH. You have to DO what He said. "What shall we do?" If faith alone saves, Peter should have said, "Nothing, you are already saved! Rejoice!"
Matt. 12:41 is a different construction. Contextually eis in this Greek, Acts 2:38, must be for.
When Joel said "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL be saved." Sounds like it was pretty defined to Joel! Those at Pentecost thought Jesus was an imposter. Peter said "Change your minds". They GLADLY did--"repent" change their mind Then AFTER repenting "changing their mind" they were baptized. Believers should get baptized. I did. And so should you. However if think baptism saves--where does Jesus RIGHTEOUNESS FIT IN? It is His RIGHTEOUSNESS that remits sin. Rom 3:25
@locustweed It is true, as a matter of fact, that the Ninevites repented in consequence of the preaching of Jonah; but had it been the purpose of the writer to express this thought, he would have used the preposition dia instead of eis. The thought of the passage is quite distinct from this. They repented into the preaching of Jonah. The term “preaching” is put for the course of life required by the preaching, and it is asserted that they repented into this.
@locustweed You are WRONG. Righteousness based on FAITH...
What was calling on the name of the Lord? NOT simply the verbal action, or you make Jesus a liar, for He said many will CALL ON HIS NAME and NOT BE SAVED.
You aren't combining Repent and BE BAPTIZED.. they are BOTH either BECAUSE OF forgiveness of sins, or INTO forgiveness of sins. If I think baptism saves??? 1 Pet. 3:21!
@locustweed Peter did not say repent as an indefinite. It is repenting of SIN, not simply changing your mind about Jesus. Repentance AND baptism, not Repentance THEN baptism.
@locustweed CHRIST already did all the things that He needed to do. He was ALREADY righteous for us. Now we need to OBEY Him to be saved. BELIEF IS A WORK.
@clearedtoengage "But to him that WORKETH NOT, but believeth on him that JUSTIFIETH the UNGODLY, his FAITH is counted FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS". (Romans 4:5) nothng more need be said.
@locustweed CIRCUMCISION vs UNCIRCUMCISION in Romans 4!! OLD LAW vs LAW OF LIBERTY! BY FAITH! What is faith? You cannot have faith and REBEL against Jesus by DISOBEYING EXPLICIT COMMANDS!
@clearedtoengage I am saved AND baptized. "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Paul said "LIE NOT ONE TO ANOTHER" .."Let God be true and EVERY MAN A LIAR" You are a liar TOO!
Now, don't go telling me Romans 4 is ALL ABOUT circumcision! It is about the GRACE of GOD! Yah, I know The Book of Romans is REALLY about "JUDIAZERS" You are not trustworthy enough to believe.
@locustweed I am not a liar. I am showing you what the Bible says. The Bible says that if you are not baptized for the remission of your sins, you are NOT in the body, and NOT saved!! Any true disciple teaches that baptism IS essential to salvation. Matt. 28:18-20
Okay, you read it for yourself. Romans 4. "How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised... for the Law brings about wrath.." Romans is ALL against Judaism!
@locustweed Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved." Acts 2:38 "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, for the remission of sins" 1 Pet 3:21 "Baptism now saves you" Gal. 3:26-27 Putting on Christ = baptism = sons of God
Hmm. Quoting Bible passages makes me a liar? Explicit passages that say baptism saves? Ouch.
@clearedtoengage You act like some frantic dog scratching the ground trying to cover your do. Romans is About Jesus and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! We already went over this--it must bother you. Abraham was "declared righteous BEFORE circumcision" GOOD POINT! That's why by FAITH you are declared righteous "saved" . The (symbol) baptism is like circumcision a "seal" (emblem, picture, of righteousness) Very good! Circumcision never saved anyone either!
@locustweed Sorry, WRONG. The LORD HIMSELF COMMANDED BAPTISM FOR SALVATION. You cannot claim to follow "every word" until you have obeyed what He commanded for salvation.
@locustweed Sorry, again wrong. "For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision." Romans 2:25 If you obey the Law, circumcision does save. But works of the Law could never TAKE AWAY sins, only roll them back. This is why the Law was to lead us to Christ. Abraham was not given the COMMAND to be circumcised, when he did, he obeyed it.
@locustweed The righteousness by faith says that we do need to be righteous.. Christ's righteousness is not imputed to us. Rather, His blood cleanses us from all sin.
@locustweed If Christ's righteousness is personally imputed to the Christian, then it would not be necessary for us to obey the gospel to be saved, which we know is not true- Matt. 7:21. If it is imputed to us, we would not be personally accountable (Ezek. 18:20; 2 Cor 5:10; Col. 3:25). Sorry, you still have to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER to be saved. When a Christian sins, one who HAS obeyed the gospel of Christ, he can plead for forgiveness, 1 John 1, IF he continues to confess his sins.
@locustweed Baptism is NOT a picture of righteousness, but OBEDIENCE. You become SONS OF GOD, purified, by it!! ROMANS 6!!! GAL. 3:26-27! 1Pet 3:21! Acts 2:38!
@locustweed Not trustworthy enough to believe? I do what Jesus COMMANDED. JESUS COMMANDED IT FOR SALVATION. But as a faith-only, you are not willing to take the hand that is offered to you. If I gave you a check for $1,000,000, would signing the check be a WORK? Would you have EARNED the million? NO! IT IS A GIFT! YOU MUST ACCEPT THE GIFT!
@locustweed His righteousness remits sin, YES. HOW? By faith. What kind of faith is TRUE, PERFECT faith? Faith with works, works of obedience, FAITH IN THE WORKING OF GOD. Dead faith cannot save.
@clearedtoengage A revloving door leads nowhere. Circular theology of human reasoning always AWAY FROM THE SAVIOR. You have proved both-- "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD"
@locustweed If you are OUTSIDE of the body of Christ, what will happen? Acts 4:12... you will NOT be saved!!! There is NO OTHER WAY into the church, the body, the kingdom, which are all one and the same! A revolving door? Talk to God about that, if you believe it is so. HE commanded it FOR salvation, not BECAUSE of salvation!
@clearedtoengage "For by one SPIRIT are we ALL baptised into one body".. 1 Cor 12:13 I am talking to you. The more you imagine your way around God's definitions of FAITH, BELIEF, WORKS the farther away and the less you talk about JESUS the object of our FAITH. (well, mine anyway) He is supposed to INCREASE and you decrease, REMEMBER? Let talk about Jesus more and more...
@locustweed And WHEN are we put into the body by the Spirit?? How are we born of the Spirit? The Word is how. We understand the will of God for mankind in the Word, given BY the Spirit. Baptism BY the Spirit. Gal. 3:26-27...
@locustweed Imagine? Let's see what God defines faith as.. James 2:14-26. Let's see what works are... John 6:28. Hmmmmmmm... Now HOW is that giving glory to man? DOING WHAT GOD COMMANDED? IS THAT GIVING GLORY TO MAN OR TO GOD?!
@locustweed The LESS I talk about Jesus? WRONG. Baptism INTO HIS BLOOD is HOW we are born again, how we PUT on Christ, how we are IN Christ! Baptism into the blood is baptism BY the Spirit! It saves us spiritually! We are PUT INTO THE BODY as we are baptized! ACTS 2! NOT before! "Those who were being baptized" were added to the church!!
1 Peter 3:20-21 The "symbolism" in this portion of scriptures has been a playground for much false teaching. The reality is Noah and those in the ARK (Jesus) NEVER GOT WET! They were IN THE ARK safe from the WATER. All those who got in the water were DROWNED! The only ones saved were those who NEVER GOT WET AT ALL! Only those who are ALREADY SAVED have a good conscience toward God having sins forgiven, and can answer by being baptized because he is saved NOT TO BE SAVED! Logic proves the KJV.
@locustweed You are an idiot. 1 Pet. 3:21 "BAPTISM NOW SAVES YOU" Not "BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE YOU" It is the ANSWER FOR A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD, not HAVING already a good conscience. Symbolism over substance? How about OBEDIENCE? You are subverted. Romans is in the context of Judaism. If you don't think so you are idiotic. The DEMONS DO BELIEVE IN JESUS. They CONFESSED His name. But they WERE NOT SAVED. Why? Because it was FAITH ONLY. Can that faith save him? NO!!!
I am going to hold your feet to fire every time you LEAVE OUT WORDS from the Holy Bible. It plainly says The "LIKE FIGURE". Very im[portant WORDS YOU PURPOSELY L E F T O U T of the BIBLE. This kind of falsehood is going to get you into trouble. The statement SAVED BY WATER (FLOOD) is a "LIKE FIGURE" (symbolic) meaning IT WAS NOT THE "WATER" THAT RESCUED NOAH but the A R K !! The "LIKE FIGURE" that BAPTISM doth now save us. Meaning it was NOT THE BAPTISM, IT'S JESUS that NOW SAVES US!
@locustweed In the same way that the water saved Noah, the water saves us. I did NOT purposely leave them out, because it is very explicit.
He built an ark BY FAITH, and what was that? A work. I'm not saying he was unsaved, but you foolishly assume that you can be saved, DISOBEY explicit commands, and still be saved.
FAITH A L W A Y S preceeds works of righteousness. Another falsehood! Do I have to give you the Greek/English definition of FAITH and WORK also?! They are completely DIFFERENT! FAITH: "pistis" same Greek root as "BELIEF"!!! That is not what YOU said. WORK: "ergon"=LABOR, DEED, DOING. You are far off course my friend! you said; "You foolishly assume that you can be saved, DISOBEY explicit commands". Ok, how about your honesty and false definitions? Rom 12:17 2Cor 8:21 Col 3:9 and MORE!
@locustweed I'm not lying. Faith cannot be complete WITHOUT works of righteousness. Have we forgotten James 2?
I'm defining Biblical words by the Bible. You are making up false pretenses for the gospel. If you have faith, you will be willing to obey God's commands. If you don't, YOU WON'T. So you're telling me I should repent for having obeyed God? LOL
@locustweed These are not works of righteousness. This is the righteousness which is established by faith. Romans 10.
What is calling on the name of the Lord? Acts 2 shows that it is NOT just saying, Lord, Lord! It is OBEDIENCE!! Peter said repent and be baptized, FOR the remission of your sins, and THEY DID SO!!
The "for" here does not mean "in order to". That Greek word is used many places "eis". In this case it means "pointing to" or "in light of'. Be baptised because your sins are remitted. The healed leper was told by Jesus to offer a sacrifice "for" a testimony to the priests. You praise a man "for " his bravery NOT IN ORDER TO be brave. Very simple, and fits right in with Paul's baptism and James 2. perfectly. Your don't work "for" your salvation, you serve God "because" you are saved.
@locustweed Eis is NEVER looking forward, always backward. They were NOT baptized and repented BECAUSE their sins were already forgiven- that is ridiculous. Look at the question they ask- "What shall we do?" If they were ALREADY saved they were pitiable saved men. The word for DOES mean in order to. It is looking FORWARD. James 2 says you need to OBEY God, not just SAY you believe Him.
@clearedtoengage They weren't already saved. If they CHANGED THEIR MIND, they would be saved! Then they could be baptised (indentify with Jesus) "for" their remitted sins. The word "for"(eis)is used as many different words and ways. Assuming that it means "in order to get" in Acts 2:38 is presumptuous. Again Matt. 12:41 uses (eis) which means that the men of Nineveh repented (eis) "because of" the preaching of Jonah. So, even "the Greek" (eis) doesn't demand your private WATER interpretation.
@locustweed They were certainly saved, because they BELIEVED, according to you. They were CUT TO THE HEART because they BELIEVED that JESUS, the CHRIST, was murdered on a cross! Matt 12:41 is a different Greek construction, just because it has one word the same doesn't mean the meaning is the same.
@clearedtoengage It says they "recieved" what PETER SAID, that JESUS IS THE CHRIST and NOT AN IMPOSTER! "As many as "received" HIM, to them gave he power to become the sons of God EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME". They got saved when they received the WORD!! They got baptized because they BELIEVED. They were cut to the heart because THEY WERE GUILTY of rejecting JESUS the CHRIST!
@locustweed POWER to become sons of God, not that they were already sons of God... They were NOT baptized because they were saved. Those who received the Word were those who were baptized. They were cut to the heart because THEY KNEW Jesus was the CHRIST!!! THEY BELIEVED ALREADY! They did not REPENT [you say believe?] AND be baptized BECAUSE their sins were already forgiven.
Your theology is not the Bible's. This is NOT the wisdom of MEN. This is the POWER OF GOD.
@locustweed 1 John 3:2.. written to CHRISTIANS. They were sons of God through faith, because faith is obedient, not disobedient. They received the Word, and so they CAN obey. But HEARING alone cannot save (Rom. 10:17).
@locustweed Repentance AND baptism in Acts 2 are EITHER BOTH for salvation or BOTH because of salvation. You are NOT repenting BECAUSE of salvation, are you? That is LUDICROUS! Change your mind that Jesus is an impostor [which Peter was not preaching this sort of repentance in the first place] BECAUSE you are saved?!!!
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to live for Jesus and clean more of my life up!!!! Read Acts 2--all of it; NOT JUST THE WET PART! Those at Penetcost were the CREAM OF THE CROP, law keepers, celebrating the HOLY FEAST. holy MEN. PETER certainly was not telling them to "TURN FROM THEIR SIN". "stop your swearing, cussing, lying, cheat'in, steal'in ways, you JEWS!! No, "you rejected and killed YOUR MESSIAH! "CHANGE YOUR MINDS" He IS THE SAVIOR! THIS cut them to the heart.
@locustweed Ummmm.... Wow. You don't understand that NOT OBEYING is SIN?? They were SINLESS?? I have read ALL of Acts 2. You DO have to stop sinning to be a Christian- no one who is born of God sins. If you sin, continuing in it, what does that make you? Peter CERTAINLY was telling them to turn from their sin! "Know that God has made Him both LORD AND CHRIST, THIS JESUS, whom YOU CRUCIFIED"!! Now were they SINLESS? NO!! This CUT THEM TO THE QUICK- that THEY CRUCIFIED THE SON OF GOD!
@locustweed They BELIEVED that Jesus was the son of God!! Otherwise there was no reason to be cut to the heart. Knowing that Jesus is the Savior is meaningless unless you have done something to go against Him. All have sinned, Rom 3:23. Not obeying is sin, 1 John 3:4. SIN IS LAWLESSNESS. If you do not have the law of liberty, if you have not OBEYED it, you are A SINNER!!!
@locustweed You are PURIFIED at baptism! 1 Pet. 1:22, Romans 6:17-18- you become SLAVES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! Before you were slaves to sin, NOW, having obeyed, having been BAPTIZED, you are slaves of righteousness and free from sin!!
@locustweed Hmm.. Let's read the verse RIGHT BEFORE 1 John 3!!! "you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him." Hmmmmmmmm! I thought that works of righteousness mean nothing about being born of God!
@clearedtoengage I never said that. I am a Christian and strive to live for HIM; not to save My soul, HE ALREADY SAVED IT. But BECAUSE HE GAVE HIS ALLL FOR ME ON CALVARY and I love HIM! WHY DO YOU SERVE HIM, to 'save' your own hide?!! Good luck!
@locustweed They were baptized because they believed, yes. However you are guilty of splitting repentance and baptism. There is no passage that says they repented for salvation, THEN were baptized BECAUSE of salvation. You have "eis" meaning both because and into at the same time.
Circular? Hardly. Baptism is INTO Jesus's death. Romans 6. It is OBEDIENCE. Romans 6:17-18. It is SALVATION. 1 Pet. 3:21. We CANNOT be sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus unless we are CLOTHED with Christ Jesus.
@locustweed Gal. 3:26-27. Sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus = baptized into Christ = clothing yourself with Christ = being in the BODY of Christ. You CANNOT be in the BODY OF CHRIST without being baptized. There is NO other way but Christ's way. He is the way, NO ONE can come to GOD except THROUGH HIM.
@locustweed He did not specify all that belief intended. It is NOT a private interpretation. They were NOT saved before. If they were saved at repentance, that is a WORK. Repentance is NOT merely changing your mind. You must TURN AWAY from sin. Acts 3:19- repent AND be converted.
It is NOT an assumption!! Acts 2:38ff shows that receiving the Word meant BAPTISM. Baptism SAVES. When were they saved? If it was at repentance, why? I thought FAITH ONLY saved according to you???
@locustweed You err, NOT knowing the Scriptures. There is no "THEN you can be baptized", it is "Repent AND be baptized FOR the remission of your sins." I thought you said that eis means BECAUSE of? So we must repent [or according to you, believe?!?] BECAUSE our sins are already forgiven? That is ludicrous.
Repenting at [INTO] the preaching of Jonah, not because of the preaching of Jonah. They repented when he preached, because they wanted to repent, and they had an opportunity by Jonah.
@clearedtoengage I have never heard of anyone, anywhere except in your cut and paste and your human mind. say something as silly as that. I can here the Ninevites now. "I was saved "into" your preaching, Jonah! "Wow mom did you hear Jonah, you should have seen all people repent "into' his preaching." Have a nice eternity--
@locustweed Changing God's Word? Hardly. It is undoubted that people were saved because of Jonah's preaching. However that was NOT the point of the word. Eis is never backward or indefinite.
@locustweed So you're telling me that REPENTING (NOT being saved) INTO a preaching isn't possible? You are the one who preaches that we do NOT have to obey JESUS'S OWN COMMANDS for salvation.
@locustweed What?? No one is putting a water God next to the son of God.. JESUS COMMANDED SALVATION... Mark 16:16... Matt. 28:18-20.. JESUS SAVES! And HOW does He want men to be saved? Luke 6:46.. you call Him Lord, Lord, but DO NOT DO WHAT HE SAYS!!
@clearedtoengage YES, sons of God BY FAITH, they were baptized because of THEIR FAITH IN HIM! They were then baptized sons of God. Good point--THANKS!
@locustweed No.. wrong. You cannot be a son of God without OBEYING HIS COMMANDS. You cannot be a son of God without being IN CHRIST. You cannot be IN CHRIST without PUTTING ON CHRIST. You cannot PUT ON CHRIST without BAPTISM. Your faith is dead.
@locustweed Yes, I have! You are NOT a Christian, for you have NOT lived by every word that JESUS COMMANDED!! I do NOT serve Him for my glory but for His. I am willing to DO WHAT HE TOLD ME.
@clearedtoengage Why then do you have bad habits if you OBEY "EVERY COMMAND OF JESUS"? I don't believe you have obeyed every command of Jesus. Ever look at a woman and lust? More than once? (please don't answer let your conscience be your guide!)
@locustweed Obeyed every command? YES. I have obeyed what CHRIST COMMANDED for salvation.
Blood of Jesus does cleanse us from all sin if we confess our sins. We know that all sin, if we say we have no sin we are liars. We must continue to confess our sins.
Abraham's righteousness was still because he was actually doing things. When was he proclaimed righteous? AFTER Gen 12:1-4.. AFTER he obeyed! Imputed righteousness? So we don't have to be righteous to be saved?
"For what saith the Scriptures?" "Abraham believed God"--it does NOT say "Abraham DID THINGS"! (a pure fabrication!) When Abraham "believed" God ,, (Let Me QUOTE THE BIBLE KJV!) .."and IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS." ADD all you want to what God said, (and you WILL be judged for it) it remains settled in Heaven. Abraham's "belief" (God's definition: "trust" , "faith in", "to roll upon", "rest confident"). It was "COUNTED" (God's definition: "inventoryed", "reckoned', "logged"!)
Your trust is wrong-- baptism, "water" instead of "HIS BLOOD". FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare HIS RIGHTEOUNESS for the REMISSION OF SINS that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Not a "WET" word to be found. I don't believe you have "confessed EVERY sin" you have ever done--and if you haven't, you are going to Hell according to your theology. Therefore you CAN'T know if you are going to heaven.
WHILE YOU ARE STAREING AT THE BIRDS AND TRYING TO BE CUTE, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THE CUSTOMER HAS RIGHT TO ASK AND BUY WHAT SHE WANTS.
IT IS WRONG THAT SHE TRY AND DICTATE THE MERCHANDIZE YOUR STORE SELLS OR FORFEFULLY PRESUADE OTHERS.
YOU ASK US TO PERSUADE YOU AGAINST YOUR WILL - YOUR ARROGANCE FAR OVER-RIDES YOUR WANTING TO LEARN ANYTHING.
YOU MAY RETURN TO YOUR BIRD WARCHING.
jehovahuponyou 19 hours ago
Jesus leads His people by the Holy Spirit and does not make slaves out of them to pastors that get rich off of their tithes.Satan uses the bible to control with and keep people from getting in the Spirit and being controlled by Jesus. Constantine (sungod worshiper) Got King James (homo) to authorize the Bible 66 books born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland. more than Billion have the same Bible they say leads them to truth but all interpret it differently. Jesus/Truth Holy Spirit, Bible/history book!
Anthony2OK 1 week ago
Seriously dude.Do you actually know what you're talking about?
Do you know what a cult is?
Do you have an infallable,inerrant 100% inspired of God bible that you can actually hold in your hands,or are you your own authority?
Just wondering.
orbasmify 3 weeks ago
The Ruckmanites who believe KJV was somehow inspired by God are heretics -- but they give the rest of us a bad name. Read this article for my reason why KJV is superior (because of the texts and other reasons) wwwDOTbiblefortodayDOTorg/Articles/answersDOThtm :)
Have a good day and God bless!
hortulanus94 3 weeks ago
my response :
No bible version is accurate.. the current bible was not what was revealed to Jesus neither was writen anywhere in the time of jesus.. It was writen by unknown men which wrote stories and SOME sayings of Jesus ACCORDING TO THEM.. so, i say, no bible is accurate.. all are full of fabrications and author personal views and testimonies which make it not a holy book but more like a documentry and a story book
thinkbefore70 3 weeks ago
First its the only Bible written by inspiration of God it is the most accurate and best
KingJamesBibleman 1 month ago
@KingJamesBibleman The only one written by inspiration of God? I think you missed, you know, the text actually written by the prophets. Last time I checked, that was centuries before King James. You should really possibly consider putting your allegiance more toward the source text rather than a translation.
CovertAgent7 1 month ago
@KingJamesBibleman How would you argue your King James only doctrine to someone who reads in a language other then English.
George0025 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBibleman "its the only Bible written by inspiration of God"
What ? what proof do you have ? I say my computer word document is writen by me by the inspiration of God and it says that KJV is not authentic.. How can you refute me ?
What proof do you have that KJV is writen by the inspiration of God ? if it is, than why are there so many contradictions in it ?
thinkbefore70 3 weeks ago
If you have a niv bible i dare u to read matt 17:21....wats that? U cant?lol kjv is easy to get twisted n cofused and thats why the devil tricks us into thinking kjv is the only....my question is whats the main purpose of the bible? And does ur bible show u the main purpose (salvation) ok then CASE CLOSED!
TATEBOX 1 month ago
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Religious person asks to prove logically why is one bible more accurate then the other.
News flash there is no logic in the bible. its a book of logical fallacies, appeals to emotions, contradictions and just wrong facts. If you truly apply logic to theme you are left with no bible :D.
tigerclaw1000 2 months ago
Religious person asks to prove logically why is one bible more accurate then the other.
News flash there is no logic in the bible. its a book of logical fallacies, appeals to emotions, contradictions and just wrong facts. If you truly apply logic to theme you are left with no bible :D.
tigerclaw1000 2 months ago
@tigerclaw1000 Stop using your First Amendment rights it only prove your a fool.
Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!
Psalm 14:1
George0025 3 weeks ago
@George0025 Only foolish theist think quotes from there holly book have any value to atheists, we care for arguments!
I can quote you qur'an from some interesting verses but i wound make it true right?
And Pslam 14:1 is false, Atheist do good, we have charities for example.
The more atheistic the countries is the less cremes there are in it < A Fact! look at the statistics.
And one more thing........ when you die nothing happens MUahahaha
tigerclaw1000 3 weeks ago
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@tigerclaw1000 My job is NOT to convince you of anything.
My job is to warn you, to sound the alarm as to what is coming upon this world.
There is one way into the kingdom of God, and that is only found in Jesus Christ.
You are headed towards the lake of fire, and the only way to turn back is to turn to Jesus Christ.
If you heed the warning, great, if you don't, at least I warned you.
George0025 3 weeks ago
@tigerclaw1000 "The more atheistic the countries is the less cremes there are in it < A Fact! look at the statistics."
Ahan.. please show me.. from where have you read this and show me that stats.. my research shows the opposite.. please dont talk without evidence.. back up your statement with proof.. or should i post the stats ?
"And one more thing........ when you die nothing happens"
Any evidence for that ? please backup with your evidence or some logics..
thinkbefore70 3 weeks ago
how about the fact that niv and asv and etc. have omitted and changed scripture, oh never mind Rupert Murdoch right? he is CEO of the company that publishes the niv and a satanic bible, need more proof or should i stop there?
kevn2004 3 months ago
Paul is a prisoner in an Alexandrian ship (Acts 27:6 and later in Acts 28:11). Those ships were named Castor and Pollux–look them up in Strongs and you’ll see they’re ‘sons of Jupiter’ and were gods in Greek and Roman mythology. I'm sorry you ran into a snarky KJV lady, but being snarky yourself doesn't make your case either, we need to dig into God's Word. God bless you on your search for answers.
maxtimus 5 months ago
Alexandria on the other hand gets its first mention in Acts 6:9 where they’re ‘disputing with Stephen’ a man said to be ‘full of the Holy Ghost’ in v5. Apollos in Acts 18:24-26 knows only John's baptism and needed Priscilla and Aquila to ‘expound unto him the way of God more perfectly”. Telling because the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 the apostles nail down salvation by grace through faith (Acts 15:11) and nearly TEN years later in Acts 18 Alexandria doesn’t have clear teaching on the gospel.
maxtimus 5 months ago
Not our responsibility to convince you, per 2Tim 2:15. But consider Antioch vs Alexandria. Antioch-filled with teachers ministering, fasting, and separated for a missionary work (Acts 13:1-4), disciples first called Christians (Acts 11:26), Nicolas full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom and a proselyte of Antioch (Acts 6:5), the base of missionary operations in the early church (Acts 14:26), who incidently ‘turned the world upside down’ (Acts 17:6-7), a hub of Bible study (Acts 15:35).
maxtimus 5 months ago
further i need to say who are you to challenge god? i mean god he is his word! the 2 are the same? jeremiah 23:36ye have perverted my word.rev 22:18-19 there is 1 god then 1 word and you call me an acult? there is a woman telling me i have to now take my athority from a woman because of the niv! this woman called mans church now a homosexual church! i and jesus our lord is a homosexual now this is what your bible breeded you and them will go to hell forever thats what i have for youi
johninitforfun 5 months ago
and i would like you to post a responce on here after doing the simple 2 hour video proof on my page gail riplinger and tell everyone you stand for these new books so we know to never let you into one of our churches
johninitforfun 5 months ago
@johninitforfun Considering the fact that you feel a need to "never let" me "into one of" your "churches" is all too telling. You act as if the building holds God's presence. Not to mention, who are you to withhold the word of God from anyone? You should be ashamed of yourself.
CovertAgent7 5 months ago
@johninitforfun Today's church's built by mans hands don't have the Holy Spirit, All they do is give life to the Bible and make it speak (the bible says) and will not ever say any more, (lets get in the Spirit) instead they say (lets open our Bibles). They interpret it the way they want and make it lie in favor of their own belief (denomination) Satan can use the bible he CAN'T use the Holy Spirit. Ask Jesus for the Holy Spirit! Jesus will build his Church, not some building! No Spirit No Heaven
Anthony2OK 1 week ago
cult? what cult?
brbjuke45 5 months ago
I prefer the King James bible personally, and not because the Elizabethan text "sounds more spiritual"! (That's why most people who don't like the King James think we like it more...) I've had the NIV then ESV, for a while. After I got the King James I noticed how corrupt most of the bibles are and how most of the new versions come with their own hidden agenda, or not so hidden most of the time. Although I wouldn't classify myself as KJO, I would say that a good argument can definitely be made.
jchrist4us 6 months ago
Because it comes from the proper, non-tampered with texts. For the KJV Only argument , even if were just the best and not perfect why would anyone want to use second rate, tampered with texts?
koranisevil 6 months ago
True kjv is a word for word translation,look at the niv and look up the verse Mat 12:47 ,you cant its GONE! ok how about Mat:17:21 nope gone also,Mat 18:11 ,wow gone too hmm see a trend here? want more? Mark 7:16 gone! Mark 9:4 yep gone! Mark 11:26 GONE!! get the picture? this is just one bible ! God Bless and i pray your eyes will be opened , i use to think like you also!
kb9ylu 6 months ago
@TheKJVberean I'm not really saying it's bound as much as I'm saying that people using their obsession with the King James to make it seem as if it is the actual Word of God, and the only Word of God. Clearly that isn't the case, since the Word was written before English even existed...
CovertAgent7 6 months ago
@baliveforchrist1 posted, " Also 1 John 5:7 KJV says there arethree that bear record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit . Most modern Translations Just say there are three that testify but leave the latter part out."
Yes, this section and a number of other trinitarian verses are not found in any of the older manuscripts. Most modern translations leave them out. Some, like the NWT, include them with a note that they are not found in early manuscripts.
IMJW1000 6 months ago
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IMJW1000 6 months ago
This is a funny challenge! Worded just like a person that believes in the evolution theory..
First lets insult them by calling them a "cult"...the ev believers always say that "the average person can not understand the depths, blah blah"....straw man anyone?
Second, how about you get off your duff and study it out? Your the one who has the problem with it, not the ones that have accepted the KJV as the only true Bible.
Smurf431 6 months ago
@Smurf431 ...What? I notice you never actually give a logical argument. You do, however, show your vast ignorance in saying I'm an evolutionist. Quite on the contrary, I believe in creationism. Not that I have to explain myself to someone as seemingly simple-minded.
CovertAgent7 6 months ago
@CovertAgent7 i will give you an arguement gail riplinger new age bibles got in my videos over 2 hours long why its no good. saten is called jesus in niv you are not to offend homosexuals in niv a sin punishable by death eturnal google niv perversion removed sodomite and the bible makers said it was created to not offend the churches! really budist muslim catholics you been fooled by the devil into a one world religion and you run with it study very well 2 thessalonians 2:10-12 this is you
johninitforfun 5 months ago
@johninitforfun What on God's earth does this psychobabble mean?
morrisondan 2 months ago
@Smurf431 Well stated Smurf, An opinion that the KJV is the only way(which I believe is best for me) is a preference. On the other hand no one died to bring you the NIV, NASB or any other translation that I am aware, The KJV has sole rights to that claim, plus I believe these are the last days and I(personally) would not trust anything put together in this Laodicea church age.
We are not "a cult" because we prefer, we just prefer, Smurf did not say you are an evolutionist, He said "like"
Gr8eskape 5 months ago
It's the only book that has brought nation and world wide revivals.there's no copy rights like the others have.sit down with an NIV and a KJV.and go threw verse by verse and see whats missing and attacked. try starting with rev 22:16 were Christ said that He's the bright and morning star.compered with isa 14:12 were the niv gives this title to satan. whats your final authority? ( stupid onlyism ? ) don't be miss lead.
dswa2286 7 months ago
@TheKJVberean Nowhere does it say "perserve the text." in the Bible. Christians believe that God's word which was written by the prophets and apostles is the original writtings. Manuscripts and copies of it are NOT inspired, or we as Chrsitians would have a really big problem due to the fact that there are over 1 million copy errors within the known manuscript Text. 90% of which are spelling mistakes. Which manuscripts that were used are not inspired nor does the word of God indicate such as.
pretoshohmoofc 7 months ago
sounds like to me you are already set to believe what you want, when you say "you doubt any one can", and you call those who believe in the KJV "cults". Let me just say that all those who were saved under KJV preaching, do you consider them not saved? I have a KJV bible, and I know I'm saved. All I have to do is look at what all the other perversions say compared to the KJV, and it's very clear which one is correct. If you can't see that, you may not have the Holy Spirit residing with you.
VincentRSpicer 8 months ago
Which King James Version is the only word of God? The 1611 edition, the 1769 Oxford edition? This really isn't a Christian debate because the King James Bible only applies to English speaking Christians. To a non-english speaking person it isn't even an issue. What IS the Holy Word of God is the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. Everything else is a translation of..
pretoshohmoofc 8 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc Congratulations on being one of the few with logic.
CovertAgent7 8 months ago
@CovertAgent7 It all comes down to only one thing. Simply ask them, "do I need the KJV in order for me to have eternal life?" When they say 'no', so ends the topic. Sadly though, it isn't a requirement for salvation, but they will shun any other Christian for not using it.
And so shows the illogical narrow mindset that you are dealing with.
pretoshohmoofc 8 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc Not everyone who uses a King James Bible is like that. Every group has its bad apples. I am a King James Bible Believer, but that does not mean I am afraid of the new versions. I am sure there are many genuine born again Christians who use an NIV, or NASV, or any other modern version. Slavation is solely based on whether or not a person believes on the LORD Jesus Christ. Now, if you've been shown the Bible version issue and if you know the deletions that are in many of the
177Jeremiah7 7 months ago
@177Jeremiah7 Oh I agree, I personally LOVE the KJV. My father also used and loved it. it was the only bible that he used. The KJV of the Bible was a beautifully written work, which our nation was built upon. Simple folk hacking it out of the wilderness with a very classy and poetic writtings that gave simple people a sense of royal herritage. It's not the KJV that I find silly, it's the KJames only klan I find rather short in reason.
God Bless
Bill
pretoshohmoofc 7 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc (continued) new versions, and how important doctrines that are essential to Christianity have been weakened. To list a couple: the Deity of Jesus Christ and the Blood Atonement. After having the evidence shown to you, and then you still choose to use and teach out of the modern translations rather than the King James Bible, then there must be a level of accountability on your part.
177Jeremiah7 7 months ago
@177Jeremiah7 I couldn't disagree more. As an expert in dealings with cults, I know that Fringe groups like the Jehovah's Wickedness; Mormons; Christian Science; Unitarianism; Moonies; Severnth-Day Adventists; Herburt W. Armstrongism etc were started based on the KJV alone. Now, I'm not saying this was due to the KJV, but I will say that I know of Oneness Pentecostals who hide behind the KJV in their denial of the Trinity. I know, because I have experienced it personally .
pretoshohmoofc 7 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc- Good for you brother, keep exposing the errors of the KJB-only error which causes division in the Body of Christ:
1611 vs. 1769
Ruth 3:15 — “he went into the citie” vs. “she went into the city” Psalm 69:32 — “seeke good” vs. “seek God” Mark 10:18 — “There is no man good” vs. “there is none good” (note that now “there is” is marked as being added by the translators for clarity)
Victornotvictim77 7 months ago
Do you know even the Catholics used the textus receptus up to the point where the bible was translated into English. When Eramus was compiling texts to use he couldn't find an alexandrian version.
myshoesgofast 8 months ago
@chosen1atWork If all the modern translations are "gnostic" then why do they not omit passages that point to Jesus' humanity?
For that matter, do you even know what gnosticism is, or are you just parroting what you've been told?
Donnievil 9 months ago
@chosen1atWork Then clearly you've either never read her book or never actually checked her facts.
Donnievil 9 months ago
Thought you were "OUT OF HERE". Well if you insist. As far as hell is concerned I am as close to hell as I will ever get. Eight miles under my feet there is molten rock and minerals and thats as close as I am going to get! Jesus tasted death for EVERY MAN, yes, that means YOU TOO. Since Jesus demonstrated His love by suffering our hell, we have every reason to accept his "gift" by FAITH. I do not have to 'long' for a loving FATHER, He says He loves me just as He does His Son!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Only a moron would equate hell with under the earth.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
You are absolutely free to do and think any way you choose, but you should admit to yourself at least that you are stuck in your progression to God. Why would God set up a system that is so ambiguous, as to have to depart from reason, and then condemn those that couldn't follow it. Time to start getting real with this. If you child killed someone, would you resort to tieing him up in your basement and torturing him for eternity? Neither would God...Think.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
My faith has been tested--God has proven Himself in many ways to me. These moments of 'revelation' came after "FAITH" in what HE said in His Word He would do. My Faith is not Blind. But it started with a command to have FAITH. My faith is NOT supposed to STAND in the realm of Human wisdom or reasoning. So why should I lend weight to limited human reasoning, such as your self-schemed scenario? It is not hard to see at the heart of your scenario is a person who thinks God is UNJUST.
locustweed 9 months ago
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@locustweed Your faith is blind. Your faith does not obey God. Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand...
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed You idiot, I'm saying God is unjust but the god of your fucking bible is not.....Are you insane?
Yes, and you can't figure out my meanings either. I'm wasting my time with you. Look here's your last chance:
The real God would never give his children free will and then judge them to everlasting fucking damnation, no matter WHAT they did!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR god would......Deduction: YOUR FUCKING GOD IS A MONSTER> And you'll never figure it out. done with you.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
You have a FREE WILL to CHOOSE THE GOD (Jesus Christ) or reject HIM. Christ Jesus DIED YOUR HELL FOR YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ONE SECOND IN HELL I F Y O U D O N' T W A N T T O ! You choose your own destiny my friend.
Locustweed~ out
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed You can frame any concept you like; the fact is that when we we born God gave us free will to live life and choose to love him or reject him, just like any loving person would. If we choose to love him and seek his guidance, we will be on the fast track to becoming like him. If we do not, (he does not choose to torture us in hell forever!), rather, he is still a loving God and has not gone schizoid on us. Our path will be more arduous and we will suffer along our journey, cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
@locustweed but in no way do we have to worry about suddenly having our father turn on us. When we pass into the spirit world we continue to grow whether it is on a track to God, (divine love), or on a natural love, (our own idea). The natural love path is obviously what Adam and Eve chose, because GIVEN THE FREE WILL OPTION, chose to try to do things their own way. Banished from the garden of course, TORMENTED IN HELL, sorry buddy, a loving God, yes he is still loving, cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
@locustweed has endless patience just like you learned in sunday school. How do we know this?
Because God allowed them to grow and have children, doing things their own way, yes they still had free will, and the proof is that WE, Mr. Head in the King James Version, a descendants of Adam and Eve. Still living our lives, not in hell, but on this earth, growing, yes, with free will, as even you have, to waste your life talking about your King James, and me trying to get you to get your cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
@locustweed head out of your arse, and look at reality. The infinite God, who is all knowing, all loving, and all powerful, created us in his image, infinite, not crawling, sniveling worms who have to worry about damnation. Our life in infinite, not having to worry about some god damn forsaken hell, but in life,my friend. Ever growing, having painful experiences without God and more pleasurable ones with God, until all will finally be in his loving arms. None will fry forever in your cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
You won't have to worry about damnation either if you will "call upon the Name of Jesus and ask him to save your soul!!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed catholic inspired sick, fucking hell, but will be in heavenly realms forever. You can use your kindergarten years here on earth to worry and condemn others who are not confined to your self imposed box of existence, where you have to constantly fixated, and shake over the monster-god who is just waiting to watch you roast in hell. Have you ever noticed that the hell you are talking about is always for the other dope who doeesn't believe what you believe.. cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
@locustweed Is that God speaking or your man made book trying to get people to come back to church again and again to keep paying their 10% of their income to an obscene corporation who controls the masses literally, with dogma that frightens people to death? Is your god the one who will slap your ass down quicker than your own father beat you? or is he the loving father you wished you had? Time to start dealing with some tough questions my friend, because the truth of the matter is, cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
@locustweed that you are not qualified any manner to determine which of the translations of the book are more valid or more true than any other. And after you are done wasting your life on these worthless books, maybe you can move to Hindu and Islamic and Zorastrian books to start working on their insane notions of how to what god is There will be an endless supply of paper and words for you to digest and try to figure out. Stop and think man. You don't have to think cont.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
God has chosen me and ordained me to "bring forth fruit". You are not the yard stick to measure my worth and usefulness, thank God! Hope you will come to your senses someday. Until then I consider you as an opportunity to share what Christ's love with. I beseech you therefore, be reconciled to God! Jesus paid it all for you! "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and THOU SHALT BE SAVED".
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed I'm not amazed at how easily you dismiss all the points I made because you live in a delusional world where god talks to you. And for your information, I am nearing 60 yrs of age and have spent approx. 40 of those years as a christian.....Hint: It doesn't matter how many times you ask Jesus into your life, it's all in your head and nothing will happen, because that is not how the universe works. Stop wasting you time in delsusion. PS there is nothing to be saved from except you.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
@locustweed about which book is right and who is going to hell. You're already in hell, a hell that God has allowed you to make, because, that's right, you still have free will. Free will to sit in a corner and wonder and think and debate and argue and after it is all done, have no earthly or divine knowledge, and be no further along any path in growth than you were when you started. So, get off the bible treadmill, and start longing in your heart for that loving father.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
I'll do you one better; none of the versions is valid. If you cannot verify what a book says, how can you act as if it has been proven sound? How in the world can you live your whole life based on other people's versions of reality? If you go to church every sunday for 30 years, that is a lot of indoctrination and conditioning. If you were born Hindu you'd be speaking only of that as the truth.
Any way you look at it, we here on earth have no idea what is happening with spirituality.
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
That's a simple task indeed--CHUCK THEM ALL! That does not take much intellect or effort on your part. But it is not as simple as that. Just because you are in denial does not mean you are off the hook. There have been many a Hindu converted to Christ after hearing the Gospel message from the Bible. Being indoctrinated and conditioned is no problem for God's Spirit to break through. The TRUTH is refreshing enough to be attractive to a weary soul seeking God's love, and abandon that which binds.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed I'm not sure if you grasped my intended meaning. What I am saying is that the bible has many good and sound concepts for our growth included. But, it has been exposed over many years to those who had the opportunity to corrupt sections of it to suit their own purposes. My question to you is: Are you able to
distinguish between the truly inspired word and the corrupted parts? I know I'm not. So, that's what I was trying to say....how do you put your full trust in a book?
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
Somewhere we must trust God. Very few are able to do this; to believe Him that His WORDS are preserved somwhere in the earth. It is a promise found in Psalm 12:6-7. So it is not a matter of 'how am I going to know which parts are inspired and which are have been manipulated and corrupted by man for selfish purposes. It comes down to WHERE are His preserved, inspired Words in the world today. According to His promise they are HERE! It is determining now WHICH ONE is it. I choose the KJV
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed You don't trust God.. all I have to say is Jesus said the gospel, Mark 16:15-16. And I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The KJV is not the only inspired version.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed We must trust God; this does not logically extend to believe he would leave words on earth; right there you are departing from logic. Your ability to dismiss this fundamental question says all one needs to know. Faith is important, but it wasn't meant to be used in any question you cannot answer. You have come to the point where you are baffled with the question and are resorting to the only thing you know, relying on the unprovable book. cont
rovingdesertfox 9 months ago
If you are trying to convince me then shouldn't I follow the same principle you have layed down? Why should my "FAITH" extend to comments made by you as I would be relying upon an untested unprovable frail human? "FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN". God says "faith" can be used to venture out in HOPE.
locustweed 9 months ago
"And Judas went out and hanged himself"--Not everything in the Bible for US. Not everything hinges on salvation. I have already addressed this anyway. Praise Jesus!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Yes, it does. Be baptized FOR the remission of your sins, the SAME EXACT GREEK CONSTRUCTION for why Jesus poured out His blood. Matt 26:28 did He die BECAUSE our sins were already forgiven???
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
Notice that verse 38 isn't the only verse in Acts 2. In fact, Peter even told his listeners how to be saved BEFORE verse 38! Acts 2:21, Peter quotes from Joel 2 and says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Verse 38 cannot stand alone. Matt 12:41"..because they repented at (eis) the preaching of Jonas. Does this mean that the men of Nineveh repented "in order to get" the preaching of Jonah? No, What Greek 'construction'?
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed No, Peter did not tell them how to be saved. "Calling on the name of the Lord" was of yet undefined. That is NOT how men are saved, the simple act of verbally saying the Lord's name, for many will say to the Lord, "Lord, Lord".. but they will PERISH. You have to DO what He said. "What shall we do?" If faith alone saves, Peter should have said, "Nothing, you are already saved! Rejoice!"
Matt. 12:41 is a different construction. Contextually eis in this Greek, Acts 2:38, must be for.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
When Joel said "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL be saved." Sounds like it was pretty defined to Joel! Those at Pentecost thought Jesus was an imposter. Peter said "Change your minds". They GLADLY did--"repent" change their mind Then AFTER repenting "changing their mind" they were baptized. Believers should get baptized. I did. And so should you. However if think baptism saves--where does Jesus RIGHTEOUNESS FIT IN? It is His RIGHTEOUSNESS that remits sin. Rom 3:25
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed It is true, as a matter of fact, that the Ninevites repented in consequence of the preaching of Jonah; but had it been the purpose of the writer to express this thought, he would have used the preposition dia instead of eis. The thought of the passage is quite distinct from this. They repented into the preaching of Jonah. The term “preaching” is put for the course of life required by the preaching, and it is asserted that they repented into this.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage Nice cut and paste! scholar! Manipulation and changing God's Word will get you into trouble.
locustweed 9 months ago
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@locustweed You are WRONG. Righteousness based on FAITH...
What was calling on the name of the Lord? NOT simply the verbal action, or you make Jesus a liar, for He said many will CALL ON HIS NAME and NOT BE SAVED.
You aren't combining Repent and BE BAPTIZED.. they are BOTH either BECAUSE OF forgiveness of sins, or INTO forgiveness of sins. If I think baptism saves??? 1 Pet. 3:21!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Peter did not say repent as an indefinite. It is repenting of SIN, not simply changing your mind about Jesus. Repentance AND baptism, not Repentance THEN baptism.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed CHRIST already did all the things that He needed to do. He was ALREADY righteous for us. Now we need to OBEY Him to be saved. BELIEF IS A WORK.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage "But to him that WORKETH NOT, but believeth on him that JUSTIFIETH the UNGODLY, his FAITH is counted FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS". (Romans 4:5) nothng more need be said.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed ROMANS 4 IS IN THE CONTEXT OF WORKS OF THE LAW. Jesus COMMANDED baptism FOR salvation!!!!! NOTHING more needs be said.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed CIRCUMCISION vs UNCIRCUMCISION in Romans 4!! OLD LAW vs LAW OF LIBERTY! BY FAITH! What is faith? You cannot have faith and REBEL against Jesus by DISOBEYING EXPLICIT COMMANDS!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage I am saved AND baptized. "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Paul said "LIE NOT ONE TO ANOTHER" .."Let God be true and EVERY MAN A LIAR" You are a liar TOO!
Now, don't go telling me Romans 4 is ALL ABOUT circumcision! It is about the GRACE of GOD! Yah, I know The Book of Romans is REALLY about "JUDIAZERS" You are not trustworthy enough to believe.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed I am not a liar. I am showing you what the Bible says. The Bible says that if you are not baptized for the remission of your sins, you are NOT in the body, and NOT saved!! Any true disciple teaches that baptism IS essential to salvation. Matt. 28:18-20
Okay, you read it for yourself. Romans 4. "How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised... for the Law brings about wrath.." Romans is ALL against Judaism!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage YOU ARE A LIAR! GOD SAYS SO.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved." Acts 2:38 "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, for the remission of sins" 1 Pet 3:21 "Baptism now saves you" Gal. 3:26-27 Putting on Christ = baptism = sons of God
Hmm. Quoting Bible passages makes me a liar? Explicit passages that say baptism saves? Ouch.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage You act like some frantic dog scratching the ground trying to cover your do. Romans is About Jesus and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! We already went over this--it must bother you. Abraham was "declared righteous BEFORE circumcision" GOOD POINT! That's why by FAITH you are declared righteous "saved" . The (symbol) baptism is like circumcision a "seal" (emblem, picture, of righteousness) Very good! Circumcision never saved anyone either!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Sorry, WRONG. The LORD HIMSELF COMMANDED BAPTISM FOR SALVATION. You cannot claim to follow "every word" until you have obeyed what He commanded for salvation.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Sorry, again wrong. "For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision." Romans 2:25 If you obey the Law, circumcision does save. But works of the Law could never TAKE AWAY sins, only roll them back. This is why the Law was to lead us to Christ. Abraham was not given the COMMAND to be circumcised, when he did, he obeyed it.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage But Abraham was Righteous BEFORE THE LAW. IMPUTED (not your own) righteousness.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed The righteousness by faith says that we do need to be righteous.. Christ's righteousness is not imputed to us. Rather, His blood cleanses us from all sin.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed If Christ's righteousness is personally imputed to the Christian, then it would not be necessary for us to obey the gospel to be saved, which we know is not true- Matt. 7:21. If it is imputed to us, we would not be personally accountable (Ezek. 18:20; 2 Cor 5:10; Col. 3:25). Sorry, you still have to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER to be saved. When a Christian sins, one who HAS obeyed the gospel of Christ, he can plead for forgiveness, 1 John 1, IF he continues to confess his sins.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Baptism is NOT a picture of righteousness, but OBEDIENCE. You become SONS OF GOD, purified, by it!! ROMANS 6!!! GAL. 3:26-27! 1Pet 3:21! Acts 2:38!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage What about the BLOOD OF JESUS? I thought IT cleanses (purifies) from ALLLLL sin? Your two god's must be in competition, huh?
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Faith alone CANNOT save. James 2:14
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Not trustworthy enough to believe? I do what Jesus COMMANDED. JESUS COMMANDED IT FOR SALVATION. But as a faith-only, you are not willing to take the hand that is offered to you. If I gave you a check for $1,000,000, would signing the check be a WORK? Would you have EARNED the million? NO! IT IS A GIFT! YOU MUST ACCEPT THE GIFT!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed His righteousness remits sin, YES. HOW? By faith. What kind of faith is TRUE, PERFECT faith? Faith with works, works of obedience, FAITH IN THE WORKING OF GOD. Dead faith cannot save.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage A revloving door leads nowhere. Circular theology of human reasoning always AWAY FROM THE SAVIOR. You have proved both-- "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD"
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed If you are OUTSIDE of the body of Christ, what will happen? Acts 4:12... you will NOT be saved!!! There is NO OTHER WAY into the church, the body, the kingdom, which are all one and the same! A revolving door? Talk to God about that, if you believe it is so. HE commanded it FOR salvation, not BECAUSE of salvation!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage "For by one SPIRIT are we ALL baptised into one body".. 1 Cor 12:13 I am talking to you. The more you imagine your way around God's definitions of FAITH, BELIEF, WORKS the farther away and the less you talk about JESUS the object of our FAITH. (well, mine anyway) He is supposed to INCREASE and you decrease, REMEMBER? Let talk about Jesus more and more...
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed And WHEN are we put into the body by the Spirit?? How are we born of the Spirit? The Word is how. We understand the will of God for mankind in the Word, given BY the Spirit. Baptism BY the Spirit. Gal. 3:26-27...
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Imagine? Let's see what God defines faith as.. James 2:14-26. Let's see what works are... John 6:28. Hmmmmmmm... Now HOW is that giving glory to man? DOING WHAT GOD COMMANDED? IS THAT GIVING GLORY TO MAN OR TO GOD?!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed The LESS I talk about Jesus? WRONG. Baptism INTO HIS BLOOD is HOW we are born again, how we PUT on Christ, how we are IN Christ! Baptism into the blood is baptism BY the Spirit! It saves us spiritually! We are PUT INTO THE BODY as we are baptized! ACTS 2! NOT before! "Those who were being baptized" were added to the church!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Phil. 3:9 Righteousness which is based on faith. What does that righteousness say? Romans 10... Romans 6... OBEY!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
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1) When was Paul saved?
2) When were the men in Acts 2 saved?
3) When was Naaman cleansed?
4) When was Noah saved from the flood?
5) The demons believed that Jesus was the Christ. Why are they not saved, or are they?
6) Can a dead faith ever justify or save a man?
7) When did the walls of Jericho fall?
8) When was Rahab saved from Jericho?
9) When was Abraham justified before God?
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
1 Peter 3:20-21 The "symbolism" in this portion of scriptures has been a playground for much false teaching. The reality is Noah and those in the ARK (Jesus) NEVER GOT WET! They were IN THE ARK safe from the WATER. All those who got in the water were DROWNED! The only ones saved were those who NEVER GOT WET AT ALL! Only those who are ALREADY SAVED have a good conscience toward God having sins forgiven, and can answer by being baptized because he is saved NOT TO BE SAVED! Logic proves the KJV.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed You are an idiot. 1 Pet. 3:21 "BAPTISM NOW SAVES YOU" Not "BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE YOU" It is the ANSWER FOR A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD, not HAVING already a good conscience. Symbolism over substance? How about OBEDIENCE? You are subverted. Romans is in the context of Judaism. If you don't think so you are idiotic. The DEMONS DO BELIEVE IN JESUS. They CONFESSED His name. But they WERE NOT SAVED. Why? Because it was FAITH ONLY. Can that faith save him? NO!!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
I am going to hold your feet to fire every time you LEAVE OUT WORDS from the Holy Bible. It plainly says The "LIKE FIGURE". Very im[portant WORDS YOU PURPOSELY L E F T O U T of the BIBLE. This kind of falsehood is going to get you into trouble. The statement SAVED BY WATER (FLOOD) is a "LIKE FIGURE" (symbolic) meaning IT WAS NOT THE "WATER" THAT RESCUED NOAH but the A R K !! The "LIKE FIGURE" that BAPTISM doth now save us. Meaning it was NOT THE BAPTISM, IT'S JESUS that NOW SAVES US!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed In the same way that the water saved Noah, the water saves us. I did NOT purposely leave them out, because it is very explicit.
He built an ark BY FAITH, and what was that? A work. I'm not saying he was unsaved, but you foolishly assume that you can be saved, DISOBEY explicit commands, and still be saved.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
FAITH A L W A Y S preceeds works of righteousness. Another falsehood! Do I have to give you the Greek/English definition of FAITH and WORK also?! They are completely DIFFERENT! FAITH: "pistis" same Greek root as "BELIEF"!!! That is not what YOU said. WORK: "ergon"=LABOR, DEED, DOING. You are far off course my friend! you said; "You foolishly assume that you can be saved, DISOBEY explicit commands". Ok, how about your honesty and false definitions? Rom 12:17 2Cor 8:21 Col 3:9 and MORE!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed I'm not lying. Faith cannot be complete WITHOUT works of righteousness. Have we forgotten James 2?
I'm defining Biblical words by the Bible. You are making up false pretenses for the gospel. If you have faith, you will be willing to obey God's commands. If you don't, YOU WON'T. So you're telling me I should repent for having obeyed God? LOL
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed These are not works of righteousness. This is the righteousness which is established by faith. Romans 10.
What is calling on the name of the Lord? Acts 2 shows that it is NOT just saying, Lord, Lord! It is OBEDIENCE!! Peter said repent and be baptized, FOR the remission of your sins, and THEY DID SO!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
The "for" here does not mean "in order to". That Greek word is used many places "eis". In this case it means "pointing to" or "in light of'. Be baptised because your sins are remitted. The healed leper was told by Jesus to offer a sacrifice "for" a testimony to the priests. You praise a man "for " his bravery NOT IN ORDER TO be brave. Very simple, and fits right in with Paul's baptism and James 2. perfectly. Your don't work "for" your salvation, you serve God "because" you are saved.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed You do what God said for your salvation. You are saved BECAUSE you do what He said you need to do to be saved.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Eis is NEVER looking forward, always backward. They were NOT baptized and repented BECAUSE their sins were already forgiven- that is ridiculous. Look at the question they ask- "What shall we do?" If they were ALREADY saved they were pitiable saved men. The word for DOES mean in order to. It is looking FORWARD. James 2 says you need to OBEY God, not just SAY you believe Him.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage They weren't already saved. If they CHANGED THEIR MIND, they would be saved! Then they could be baptised (indentify with Jesus) "for" their remitted sins. The word "for"(eis)is used as many different words and ways. Assuming that it means "in order to get" in Acts 2:38 is presumptuous. Again Matt. 12:41 uses (eis) which means that the men of Nineveh repented (eis) "because of" the preaching of Jonah. So, even "the Greek" (eis) doesn't demand your private WATER interpretation.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed They were certainly saved, because they BELIEVED, according to you. They were CUT TO THE HEART because they BELIEVED that JESUS, the CHRIST, was murdered on a cross! Matt 12:41 is a different Greek construction, just because it has one word the same doesn't mean the meaning is the same.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage It says they "recieved" what PETER SAID, that JESUS IS THE CHRIST and NOT AN IMPOSTER! "As many as "received" HIM, to them gave he power to become the sons of God EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME". They got saved when they received the WORD!! They got baptized because they BELIEVED. They were cut to the heart because THEY WERE GUILTY of rejecting JESUS the CHRIST!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed POWER to become sons of God, not that they were already sons of God... They were NOT baptized because they were saved. Those who received the Word were those who were baptized. They were cut to the heart because THEY KNEW Jesus was the CHRIST!!! THEY BELIEVED ALREADY! They did not REPENT [you say believe?] AND be baptized BECAUSE their sins were already forgiven.
Your theology is not the Bible's. This is NOT the wisdom of MEN. This is the POWER OF GOD.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage They were baptized AFTER they received Christ (his WORD). You said: "not that they were already sons of God"
"NOW ARE WE THE SONS GOD, and it doth not yet appear... (1John 3:2)
You keep saying things that aren't true.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed 1 John 3:2.. written to CHRISTIANS. They were sons of God through faith, because faith is obedient, not disobedient. They received the Word, and so they CAN obey. But HEARING alone cannot save (Rom. 10:17).
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Gal. 3:26-27... they were sons of God AT baptism, NOT before.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Repentance AND baptism in Acts 2 are EITHER BOTH for salvation or BOTH because of salvation. You are NOT repenting BECAUSE of salvation, are you? That is LUDICROUS! Change your mind that Jesus is an impostor [which Peter was not preaching this sort of repentance in the first place] BECAUSE you are saved?!!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to live for Jesus and clean more of my life up!!!! Read Acts 2--all of it; NOT JUST THE WET PART! Those at Penetcost were the CREAM OF THE CROP, law keepers, celebrating the HOLY FEAST. holy MEN. PETER certainly was not telling them to "TURN FROM THEIR SIN". "stop your swearing, cussing, lying, cheat'in, steal'in ways, you JEWS!! No, "you rejected and killed YOUR MESSIAH! "CHANGE YOUR MINDS" He IS THE SAVIOR! THIS cut them to the heart.
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Ummmm.... Wow. You don't understand that NOT OBEYING is SIN?? They were SINLESS?? I have read ALL of Acts 2. You DO have to stop sinning to be a Christian- no one who is born of God sins. If you sin, continuing in it, what does that make you? Peter CERTAINLY was telling them to turn from their sin! "Know that God has made Him both LORD AND CHRIST, THIS JESUS, whom YOU CRUCIFIED"!! Now were they SINLESS? NO!! This CUT THEM TO THE QUICK- that THEY CRUCIFIED THE SON OF GOD!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed They BELIEVED that Jesus was the son of God!! Otherwise there was no reason to be cut to the heart. Knowing that Jesus is the Savior is meaningless unless you have done something to go against Him. All have sinned, Rom 3:23. Not obeying is sin, 1 John 3:4. SIN IS LAWLESSNESS. If you do not have the law of liberty, if you have not OBEYED it, you are A SINNER!!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed You are PURIFIED at baptism! 1 Pet. 1:22, Romans 6:17-18- you become SLAVES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! Before you were slaves to sin, NOW, having obeyed, having been BAPTIZED, you are slaves of righteousness and free from sin!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Hmm.. Let's read the verse RIGHT BEFORE 1 John 3!!! "you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him." Hmmmmmmmm! I thought that works of righteousness mean nothing about being born of God!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage I never said that. I am a Christian and strive to live for HIM; not to save My soul, HE ALREADY SAVED IT. But BECAUSE HE GAVE HIS ALLL FOR ME ON CALVARY and I love HIM! WHY DO YOU SERVE HIM, to 'save' your own hide?!! Good luck!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed They were baptized because they believed, yes. However you are guilty of splitting repentance and baptism. There is no passage that says they repented for salvation, THEN were baptized BECAUSE of salvation. You have "eis" meaning both because and into at the same time.
Circular? Hardly. Baptism is INTO Jesus's death. Romans 6. It is OBEDIENCE. Romans 6:17-18. It is SALVATION. 1 Pet. 3:21. We CANNOT be sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus unless we are CLOTHED with Christ Jesus.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
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@clearedtoengage Oh really? Luke 24:47 and Acts 3:19 "REPENT ye therefore, and be converted, THAT YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED OUT.
No water here. Completely dry!
locustweed 9 months ago
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@locustweed Gal. 3:26-27. Sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus = baptized into Christ = clothing yourself with Christ = being in the BODY of Christ. You CANNOT be in the BODY OF CHRIST without being baptized. There is NO other way but Christ's way. He is the way, NO ONE can come to GOD except THROUGH HIM.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed And what is belief? OBEDIENCE. Not saying, "I have enough faith to believe in Christ, but NOT enough to do what He said to be saved."
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed He did not specify all that belief intended. It is NOT a private interpretation. They were NOT saved before. If they were saved at repentance, that is a WORK. Repentance is NOT merely changing your mind. You must TURN AWAY from sin. Acts 3:19- repent AND be converted.
It is NOT an assumption!! Acts 2:38ff shows that receiving the Word meant BAPTISM. Baptism SAVES. When were they saved? If it was at repentance, why? I thought FAITH ONLY saved according to you???
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed You err, NOT knowing the Scriptures. There is no "THEN you can be baptized", it is "Repent AND be baptized FOR the remission of your sins." I thought you said that eis means BECAUSE of? So we must repent [or according to you, believe?!?] BECAUSE our sins are already forgiven? That is ludicrous.
Repenting at [INTO] the preaching of Jonah, not because of the preaching of Jonah. They repented when he preached, because they wanted to repent, and they had an opportunity by Jonah.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage I have never heard of anyone, anywhere except in your cut and paste and your human mind. say something as silly as that. I can here the Ninevites now. "I was saved "into" your preaching, Jonah! "Wow mom did you hear Jonah, you should have seen all people repent "into' his preaching." Have a nice eternity--
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Changing God's Word? Hardly. It is undoubted that people were saved because of Jonah's preaching. However that was NOT the point of the word. Eis is never backward or indefinite.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed So you're telling me that REPENTING (NOT being saved) INTO a preaching isn't possible? You are the one who preaches that we do NOT have to obey JESUS'S OWN COMMANDS for salvation.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage Silliness...
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Silliness is the one who denies that Christ commanded baptism FOR salvation.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage Worse-is the one who puts the WATER god equal and next to the SON OF GOD!
"I will be LIKE the Most High" (lucifer)
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I am the LORD beside ME there is NO SAVIOR".
Hosea 13:4 ...."there is no savior beside me."
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the WAY the TRUTH and THE LIFE: NO MAN cometh unto the father BUT BY ME."
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed What?? No one is putting a water God next to the son of God.. JESUS COMMANDED SALVATION... Mark 16:16... Matt. 28:18-20.. JESUS SAVES! And HOW does He want men to be saved? Luke 6:46.. you call Him Lord, Lord, but DO NOT DO WHAT HE SAYS!!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed How does Jesus save? How is the church CLEANSED? Eph 5.. WASHING OF WATER WITH THE WORD! BAPTISM!
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@locustweed Answer me this! Were they also saved BEFORE repentance in Acts 2:38? Were they sons of God BEFORE baptism in Gal. 3:26-27?
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage YES, sons of God BY FAITH, they were baptized because of THEIR FAITH IN HIM! They were then baptized sons of God. Good point--THANKS!
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed No.. wrong. You cannot be a son of God without OBEYING HIS COMMANDS. You cannot be a son of God without being IN CHRIST. You cannot be IN CHRIST without PUTTING ON CHRIST. You cannot PUT ON CHRIST without BAPTISM. Your faith is dead.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage It says sons by FAITH in Jesus Christ. Have you obeyed ALL HIS COMMANDS??
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Yes, I have! You are NOT a Christian, for you have NOT lived by every word that JESUS COMMANDED!! I do NOT serve Him for my glory but for His. I am willing to DO WHAT HE TOLD ME.
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
@clearedtoengage Why then do you have bad habits if you OBEY "EVERY COMMAND OF JESUS"? I don't believe you have obeyed every command of Jesus. Ever look at a woman and lust? More than once? (please don't answer let your conscience be your guide!)
locustweed 9 months ago
@locustweed Obeyed every command? YES. I have obeyed what CHRIST COMMANDED for salvation.
Blood of Jesus does cleanse us from all sin if we confess our sins. We know that all sin, if we say we have no sin we are liars. We must continue to confess our sins.
Abraham's righteousness was still because he was actually doing things. When was he proclaimed righteous? AFTER Gen 12:1-4.. AFTER he obeyed! Imputed righteousness? So we don't have to be righteous to be saved?
clearedtoengage 9 months ago
"For what saith the Scriptures?" "Abraham believed God"--it does NOT say "Abraham DID THINGS"! (a pure fabrication!) When Abraham "believed" God ,, (Let Me QUOTE THE BIBLE KJV!) .."and IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS." ADD all you want to what God said, (and you WILL be judged for it) it remains settled in Heaven. Abraham's "belief" (God's definition: "trust" , "faith in", "to roll upon", "rest confident"). It was "COUNTED" (God's definition: "inventoryed", "reckoned', "logged"!)
locustweed 9 months ago
Your trust is wrong-- baptism, "water" instead of "HIS BLOOD". FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare HIS RIGHTEOUNESS for the REMISSION OF SINS that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Not a "WET" word to be found. I don't believe you have "confessed EVERY sin" you have ever done--and if you haven't, you are going to Hell according to your theology. Therefore you CAN'T know if you are going to heaven.
locustweed 9 months ago