I would interested to hear your thoughts on King David then. Otherwise after your insane Ron Paul trip of calling for revenge and judgement it's time to click the unsubscribe button. Sorry MM it was fun while it lasted. I'll be praying for you because you need it.
Uh huh you support Ron "Legalize Drugs and Prostitution" because he's a family man, right? Yeah I do forgive Newt and no I don't judge him on his faith like what you are doing MM.
The guy in this video is a hypocrite, evangelical? Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any tattoos upon you: I am the LORD.
How's this for family values: Ron Paul would make the U.S. safe for abortion and gay rights. He is a libertinetarian. Don't let that "I'm a doctor and I delivered lots of babies" routine fool you. He is the most socially liberal, anti-family politician running, even over Obama. Libertinetarians are the biggest social liberals of all, that's why so many democrats are attracted to them. They don't care anything about the family or their values. They just couldn't be bothered. For the record!
Hey dick-hole Molotov, Reagan divorced his wife, people can be awesome at their jobs and have terrible home lives at their own fault. I think Newt would be a GOOD AT BEING PRESIDENT, I am not voting him to be my father or the father of my children.
@FrankDaTank1218 Molotov is merely stating the fact that the Family Values crowd picking Newt Gingrich is a joke because he doesn't embody the values that they supposedly promote. And I personally agree with him.
mr ehud, you hit it on the head for me. mitchell is emphasizing personal morality over public ideas. is ron paul pro family because he allows states to decide abortion but has stayed married for a long time? that's just a little more pro family than president obama. many of the greatest ideas of the founding fathers came from philanderers like benjamin franklin. pro family is more about policy polucy personal morals. sexual character counts, but I don't think it trumps everything else.
Anyone, but Obama. I'd rather take my chances by picking, at random, anyone who has left a comment for this video. I'd rather plunge into the abyss of uncertainty, than do a header into a known, Marxist, level of hell. Obama is that bad, and will only get worse, when there's NO accountability to hold him back. Yes, he's been holding back.
So if any of you get the nomination, you'll have my support, sight unseen.
And I suppose RP is going to bring us faith and family when he would allow states to decide everything from abortion to gay marriage? Tell me Mr. expert, how is Abortion (which is murder) a states rights issue and not a federal issue? Clearly our consitution covers the right to life, thus, anyone telling you that this is a state's rights issue has his head up his rear end! or he just doesn't want to have to argue the point and express his actual views on the issue are.I call that cowardly!
We are voting for a president not a pope my friend. Issue matter, policies matter, having 3 wives is between him and God. He's not applying to be the pastor of your local church my friend. Now that being said I do perfer santorum.
Evangelicals have disgusting bias. You were talking about family values and held up Romney's Mormonism as a negative. That didn't even need to enter this conversation.
If you are going to condemn a man because he has sinned, you might as well condemn everyone, as the bible says all have sinned! The bible also says if you have even looked at a woman with lust in your heart you have already committed adultery! Now, I'm not a genius myself ( like you ) but I would have figured you could have come up with a lot better reason why someone should NOT vote for Newt than his past sins! saying you are not judging is BS!
I don't thinking I'm "condemning" him just because I want to vote for someone with a better track record of good judgement and self-control. I think that's a perfectly reasonable way to choose a president. If we're not going to have standards, we can save a lot of time and just draw names from a hat.
Step right up, folks. Meet God's appointed whipping post....Molotov Mitchell.
Since when are we Christians supposed to judge each other? It's not against the law to be an adulterer or be married multiple times. However, it against the law to take the stand in a court of law and lie about it, ie Bill Clinton. Last I checked, Gingrich isn't on the stand.
@jtnoodle Hmmm The Bible doesn't say not to judge it says to judge with a correct judgement " Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment." John 7:24. And looking at how a man keeps or doesn't keep solemn covenants is a right way to judge his character, breaking three covenants say some thing about you it say you don't keep agreement and you put your own self interest ahead of others.
"Judge not, lest ye be judged". I know some Christians that are just like Molotov. They're really annoying. Constantly projecting what they believe onto everyone else.
@jtnoodle You do not build your case on just one isolated verse the bible also says" Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment." John 7:24, please obey 2 Timothy 2:15 when you quote the words of God " Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. "
@ScottStedford14 Judaism is a very capitalist religion/religion focused on personal property and an absence of debt. Now Atheism and Satanism (Specifically the LaVeyian sect practiced by so many Americans) is very self centered and thusly will want the best for themselves above others every time (As is evident in communist regimes around the world). Communism comes from Atheism and by extension LaVeyianesque Satanism, not Judaism.
Nutty caramelly Newtty good...He's a f^c&ing candybar!
I like the part where he leaves his sick wife and votes whichever way the wind blows. Now, that will rot more than just the teeth! That man's soul has a cavity...
Mittens Romney? Another non-Christian pretender, banker, slacker, billionaire banker backer.
This video is one big straw man argument. Though not on the subject of judging which thehighervoltage doesn't get. For instance, Bill Clinton may have said that, Newt didn't. Newt said he made mistakes. If Newt was claiming he was right, I'd have a hard time backing him. It is a valid argument to judge a person's character before voting for them. Romny is a liar and liberal. Ron Paul is a nut job. Santorum, is not right, but is weak. Santorum can't figure out Federalism. Newt blows them all away
If it comes down to Newt vs Obama 2012, I'm not sure which one will take the country down deeper into the pit faster. But the direction is still going to be DOWN.
Molotov, I am a Liberal subscriber of yours and though I disagree with most of your political stances you are totally right here. This a very peculiar way that supposed family values Christians have decided to campaign in support of. Kudos!
You're looking at Gingrich all wrong. You have to pretend he is trustworthy, when evaluating him. Then its ok totally exceptable to vote for a guy, you know, you can't trust.
@ScottStedford14 The Jews have nothing to do with the NWO. Just because a few of the key players are of Jewish decent don't mean the whole race or religion is out to get you. I would agree on the satanists. After all, Satan is the adversary. But the Jews being responsible for financial downturn is a tactic borrowed back from Germany during the Nazi occupation. The one spreading the misinformation about God's chosen people? Probably was at the hands of the sworn enemy of God.
@Legion719 Do you know that Satanist don't actually worship Satan? hey worship Baphomet... (a latinisation of Muhammad)... So are satanists really Islamics? No... you need to quit watching movies and read a bit....
As i Catholic I am a hesitant supporter of Newt. In my own conversion to the that Catholic Faith I know how essential the power of the Sacraments were and are in my ability to put to death the deeds of the flesh.If Newt's conversion to the Catholic Faith was not sincere and true then he does not deserve our support. If however by Christ's power through the Sacraments he has come to be freed form these sins i'm not sure excluding him would be wise. Consider Saint Paul, the murder of Christians.
Damn! Newt is a No Way! I am appalled at Newts morals but I am more worried about Newts Honesty and Integrity. Newt is like Obama with 30 years experience in Dirty Deeds!! Newt? NO FRIKKEN WAY!!!
THANK YOU MOLOTOV!!! It's people like you that give me hope for america. Some people aren't just sheep following the crowd. They think about what they should do before they do it. You fit into this category. Keep it up! :)
Molotov--I'm a Christian right-wing conservative from the great state of South Carolina-I am also appalled and ashamed to call myself a South Carolinian after -Newt Gingrich won my state. Furthermore I voted for Ron Paul. With any luck, and with God's blessing I can onlly pray that Dr.Paul Fights the good fight and becomes our Republican candidate in the near future.
@ScottStedford14 Interlocking fingers is not a conspiracy, it's a comfortable hand position when speaking. In many speech instructors in college they tell you to do this because it A.) exudes control (because your not flailing) and B.) give you something to do with your hands if your a nervous public speaker. He could have picked it up in a class somewhere. Now if he started defending the NDAA or SOPA, I'd be worried.
How is being anti gay marriage being pro family? Sounds like you're anti family to me. You're against people who are different from you having families of their own. Shame on you.
@Cenamark2 just one reason to not be ok with gay marriage is the fact that it is a god ordained contract. Gods law is against homosexuality. so the two dont work. simple really. its not hate its for the good of humanity. disease, lack of reproduction, just two examples.
@50317mike And what part of the 1st Amendment don't you get? I don't want a god I don't believe in deciding public policy.
Lack of reproduction makes homosexuality bad? Have you ever used a condom, masturbated, or had oral sex? If so you're a hypocrite.
And disease can spread through both gay and straight sex. Both gays and straights need to use protection and stay loyal to their partners. Gay marriage would help with that.
@Cenamark2 I hope you are logically consistent and want to afford the "right" for boy lovers, animal lovers, polygamists, and Necrophilites to have supposed "families" as well?
@ceeker248 That's not being logically inconsistent. Gay love is okay because it involves 2 consenting adults. Boy love involves a minor so consent isn't there. Animals can't consent with sex with a human so that too should be illegal. Corpses can't consent either. You're an idiot and a bigot for trying to lump homosexuality with those other things.
@Cenamark2 how intolerant of you that you are willing to impose your morality on these other forms of family and deny them the rights you want for your self. Why are you not willing to change the definition of consent just like you want the definition of family changed so we can have equal rights for all forms of sexuality?
@ceeker248 Ha ha ha... that's funny. Again your argument of equating Gay love with pedophilia, necrophilia, and bestiality is lame and tired. You only oppose gay marriage because an old fiction book tells you its bad.
@Cenamark2 Don't run from the question and come with an ad hominem, if you want egalitarianism between Marriage and supposed Gay marriage on what bases do you reject it for ALL forms of sexuality? If I am basing my moral position on the Bible which is what the idea of morality in the western world is historically based on, what are you basing you idea that homosexuality is "SUPERIOR" to these other forms of sexuality on? Explain your Worldview please.
@ceeker248 I told you I'm basing it consent. Heterosexuality and Homosexuality both involve 2 consenting adults. Bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia don't. Get that through your skull before you go about acting like a philosophical genius.
@Cenamark2 Ok back to my first question if you expect society to change the definition of family to accommodate homosexuality why are not willing to extend a hand to other forms of sexuality and champion the change of the concept of consent? Also why are the traditional ideas of consent just, but traditional ideas of marriage not? On what bases do you embrace one and reject the other?
@ceeker248 Instead of basing my world view on a ruddy ol' piece of fiction I base it on consequences. If two men have sex it doesn't hurt anybody. If a man has sex with a child, it hurts the child. Bestiality hurts the animal, and necrophilia... well shoot if somebody is willing to donate his corpse to a necrophile I wouldn't really have a problem with that.
@Cenamark2 And on what do you base your idea of harmful consequences on? There are psychologist who would disagree with your assessment of whats harmful, why are they wrong and you are right? You seem like a homosexual supremest, why do you think that form of sexuality is better and more MORAL then others? Homosexuality has been historically deemed harmful yet you are willing to challenge that view, why not for these other sexualities ? ..So intolerant!
@ceeker248 It has only been deemed historically harmful by Christian societies, so of course I'll challenge that view. Christianity has been far more harmful and has killed more people than homosexuality, yet you believe it should run our country. 400 years ago the buybull told Christians to burn witches. 1000 years ago it told them to invade the holy land. The unchanging inerrant word of God has been changing and has been proven wrong for generations.
@Cenamark2 Wow you really good at avoiding my questions and changing the subject. Oh its ONLY Christian civilizations that rejected Homosexuality, I didn't know this could you give me the names of some of the other socialites where Homosexuality is considered NORMAL? Is it in African..nope, Middle East..nope, Asia..nope..wow it's almost like the majority of the human race has agreed homosexuality is abnormal.
@ceeker248 You brought it in as your world view to compare it to mine. The Buy Bull fails in the face of any world view and I'm glad the Founding Fathers did what they could to protect us from theocracy. Just don't wear any mixed fibers...
(2 of 2) The danger in Romney is that we don't know what he is capable of until he is elected but in all honesty I would take my chances with Obama for a second term before I would vote for Romney! My dad use to say I will sleep in a room with a rattle snake as long as I know the rattle snake is there but what happens when you let your guard down and assume that the snake is mearly a black snake? All I'm saying is do your research!
(1 of 2)Fact of the matter is that the ONLY candidate that can actually make a change for good in America is Ron Paul... Santorum would be the runner up to Paul but still supports big government spending. Gingrich and Romney are both RINO's and don't deserve the chance to be the President. I just can't imagine looking at Gingrich for the next four years and Romney is another Obama.
Actually, I like Santorum best of the remaining candidates though I will vote for whomever ends up running against Obama (though I can't stand Paul & his neo-Nazi pals. I've read his newsletters for a long time and if he can't manage an 8-page newsletter, he can't manage the presidency but my cat has a better chance of being the nominee, we can safely ignore him)
Still, Molotov's point that character counts is well taken. Ross Perot said of Clinton, "If your wife can't trust you, why should I?"
@MrFalangist I know he's rich, you have to be. But he's not influenced by the big corps and rich people, who have more control over the gov't then you might think
@MrFalangist Not really. Their finances are public. You can look them up. Paul has about 2 mil. And you can look up contributions. His are unique among candidates by coming from a LOT of small donations. Top employers of donors: 1) Army 2) Navy 3) Air Force.
I'm voting for Mitt. He’s a decent, intelligent man. He turned around companies in his private job. He turned both the Utah winter Olympics and Massachusetts around from financial failure to financial soundness. Mr. Fixit is what we need. He may not be perfect, but perfection is in short supply lately.
I think the reason that "family value" voters are rallying around Newt is because many of them are Evangelicals. These voters think Ron Paul is crazy, and they would never vote for a Mormon like Romney. The crazy part is he criticizes Romney for flip flopping when Gingrich has had three wives and two religions. Not to mention he is big government Republican who has personally said he loves FDR and models himself after Woodrow Wilson...
I agree with this more than anything. I have been struggling with who to endorse. I was a Herman Cain man until it was found he was a cheater. I liked Michelle and Tim" Pawlenty. I dont care for Mit one bit. Rick is a cool guy, Mr. Paul is good on paper and thats it. I struggle ethically with Newt. Sad to say, he is our best bet for beating Obama. I will come out say this on the same note. Anyone that takes Allen West as a VP gets my vote.
@MrConservative608 I like santorum. i LOVE Paul. I'm wary of Romney. I do NOT like gingrich. Santorum did say something that caught my attention though. He wants to reduce or eliminate corporate income tax for manufacturing facilities. That will not only create MILLIONS of jobs, it will give factories that moved to china a legitimate incentive to have more profitable environment in the US, increasing employment, national productivity, # of tax payers, and the value of the dollar.
@SupremeAmerican "He wants to reduce or eliminate corporate income tax for manufacturing facilities"
The 'trickle down' effect sounds good, but it's hasn't worked with anything it's been applied to. Our jobs were protected when we had tariffs on goods from slave wage nations. That's how we use to compete. And I think that's what we should bring back to bring the jobs back.
@MrConservative608 the only thing that could ''flub'' santorum's strategy on production and manufacturing facilities, is if mandatory employer to employee health care gets pushed through.
@EaSyNa123 Ron Paul is the candidate for the tin foil hat crowd. He's also racist, so is his son. You know that Rand Paul wants to segregate all the diners in Alabama.
(1) "As a Christian voter, it's my duty to judge *" - Christians were told not to judge anyone. Yet...it's your duty?
(2) "A murderer can repent to God and be forgiven, but that doesn't mean he should be let off the hook". - and yet that's exactly what the Christian doctrine claims it does mean.
Molotov here. Using only Matt 7:1 is incomplete. The verse doesn't forbid judging at all -- it is speaking to not judging unfairly. In fact, Christians are COMMANDED to judge by Jesus, Himself: John 7:24, “Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.” Jesus also told us how to judge trees by their fruit. And in the video, I made it clear that while God may forgive eternally, temporal ramifications remain.
I hope they're not silly enough to come back, because there's Far more said about judging than just what's mentioned in John..good job..
Personally, I think they're ALL actors, but no question, I like the Ron Paul "character" the best, whatever writing team drew him up did a great job, they're just 2 or 3 generations too late for the country to bite...not that we could tell with all the phony "Polls" and voting "Machines".
@illuminatitv I've researched...from as many angles as I can. I still do. And it's a DoubleThink contradiction - much like the 'don't kill' and 'now kill those people and those people...'; and the general theme of : 'I'm a just god...but I don't really judge on good/evil, I judge on belief and call it justice.'
I agree with what you said 'the guilty shouldn't be able to escape punishment.' however, that's in contradiction to the whole Jesus scapegoats your punishment thing. DoubleThink.
@TheHigherVoltage Two different types of things can not contradict each other, only things that are the same in the same way can contradict. Words take on meaning in a context, the context tells you the way the words are being used is different. There is a difference between just and unjust judging or killing ...different things can not logically contradict each other..thus there is no "DoubleThink contradiction".
@illuminatitv The problem with these arguments is neither of you are using the original language. Pull your concordances out people! :) "Krino" in the greek (matthew 7) refers to a judgment as in a court, a verdict or condemnation. We are not called to "krino" because that is God's job. anakrino (1 corinthians) means to investigate or examine, even discern. We are called to "anakrino" all things. So we are called to discern all things but never to condemn or come to a verdict about others.
Here's what happened, you tried to misinterpret a verse from the bible and by making this assumption; Mitchel came back and used the correct meaning of said verse thus negating your point completely... This by all rights equals pownage...
@BoyKagome I didn't misinterpret. I read the bible for what it says - and recognize the contradictions...not make excuses for them.
When it comes to judging, the bible runs the full gambit from 'judge not' to 'judge everyone'. From 'only god can judge' to 'the saints will judge' (1 Corinthians 6:2).
Defending one side of schizophrenic DoubleThink, by ignoring/word playing the other side, is not 'pownage'. It's willful delusion.
Wait wait, you forgetting that there are different kinds of judgements. Molotov already explained the "Judge Not or you too shall be judged" which is saying " don't be a hypocrite" or... don't judge others if you are guilty of the crime yourself.
"We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequence, the Lord Jesus Christ" - John 14;6
Mitchel presented a solution thus according to the bible hes good to go.
@BoyKagome "Molotov already explained the "Judge Not or you too shall be judged" which is saying " don't be a hypocrite" or... don't judge others if you are guilty of the crime yourself."
Yep, that's one point for me. Unless of course, Molotov is a devout homosexual and never 'looked a women lustfully' (committing adultery according to Jesus' though crime). Otherwise, he's a hypocrite.
And John 14:6 doesn't say anything about Christian being judges. You spinning BS too?
But your point was that Christains weren't allowed to judge period... Molotov would have to be guilty of the same crime in order for your case to be right... So I don't see how you got a point...
Also John 14:6 was me copy and pasting the wrong verse... Look at...
@BoyKagome Yes that was my point. And you even backed me up with your apologetics, even though they are not supported by the bible.
#1 Jesus said "who ever is without sin throw the first stone" He didn't say "only those who committed the same exact sin - don't throw the first stone."
However, either way, are you claiming that Molotov has never looked at a women with lust? According to Jesus, that makes him an adulterer. - same sin he's pointing out.
Gingrich and Clinton both did more than look at a woman with lust... they cheated on women, huge difference. Also he without sin simply means "nobodies perfect" it doesn't mean you can't judge them for the mistake... it just means forgive them as long as they don't repeat the act " go and sin no more.".. Clinton and Gingrich did multiple cheating.
@BoyKagome "Gingrich and Clinton both did more than look at a woman with lust... they cheated on women, huge difference."
Not to Jesus - he's into thought crime. "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Matt 5:28.
Common sense says there's a difference, Jesus' 'outline for sin' says there's no difference.
That's not punishing thought, that's punishing looking at a woman sexually "looketh" not "thinketh".
2. Ok... do it with me now Higher...Bing... search.... Timothy 4:2...enter... yup my first result was the one I quoted again.
3. Personal attack? Can't win the debate so go after the source? I'll humor ya; that pic isn't a girl, that's a man. As a transgender myself I use a trans like icon; and don't start with the "god hates you" bit, heard it all before.
@BoyKagome 1. Poetic mumbojumbo aside, you look with your eyes, lust is in the brain. It's a thought crime.
2. I don't use bing. I use google. and in Google, 1 Timothy shows up before 2 Timothy. Either way, neither Timothy is talking about judging people, it's talking about teaching the myths accurately.
3. Cool by me. I didn't choose my sexual preference, so why would I slam anyone for being born with theirs? But no, pointing out hypocrisy is not a 'personal attack', it's just fact.
1. Eye aren't your mind, you can take your eyes off a body...
2. It's talking about teaching and to be ready to defend your belief, which means you'd have to be able to "judge" when said beliefs are threatened.
3. When you bring something personally about the debater instead of negating and refuting their words in an effort to discredit them, that's an attack... it just happened to fail miserably when you attempted it on me.
@BoyKagome #1 you said looking with lust and cheating are totally different. I already pointed out the bible says they're the same.
2. correcting someone to 'spreading the word' accurately, has nothing to do with judging people.
3. I questioned if you were hypocritical yourself, having a 'lustful' pic as an icon. It's not an attack, it's a valid question directly related to our discussion.
1. The bible is only referring to looking, the verse itself says it all.
2. Knowing when said beliefs are threatened requires judgement.
3. How are tank tops and shorts lustful?... Firemen are used a lot in foreplay, does that mean that they walk around "lustfully?" Sorry to say but when it comes to clothes, it becomes an opinion.
1. We can both agree its a bad idea to stare at a woman who doesn't want to be stared at and undress her with our eyes right? Just look away if you can't look upon her without doing that.
2. You were very specific, according to you it says believers aren't allowed to judge other people period.
3. Well I'm lust free and your point is negated if we're talking from perspective here... if you want to attack me on anything, choose envy.
@BoyKagome 1. I don't see anything in wrong in contemplating anything. I don't buy into the stupidity of thought crimes. Actions can be evil, thoughts are not. Strange how biblegod doesn't get that.
2. That's what the bible says : judge not.
3. You're 'lust free'? wow. So no sexual desires what-so-ever? That's not normal. You must be broken.
-sigh.- I'll just copy and paste the actual words.
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage, with great patience and careful instruction.
Funny I looked up Timothy 4:2 and that was my first search result... I typed Bing... search... Timothy 4:2... first result. Which means I think you purposely took the wrong verse one.
@BoyKagome That's interesting how a search engine overlooks 1 Timothy 4:2, and puts 2 Timothy first in the search results. Your computer must be magic. And no, I didn't purposefully take the wrong verse. Not putting a "1 or 2" in front of Timothy was all you.
But in any event, what does 'preach the word accurately' have to do with judging?
Seems to me, you're twisting the meaning of one verse, to counter the direct implications of another verse that you don't like.
@BoyKagome (CONT) On another note, I notice your account pic is a cartoon girl in skimpy underwear. Typical, hypocritical, 'make excuses for doing what I claim to be against' DoubleThink Christian?
@CorrosionX3 Yeah, I can't wait til we end up with somebody that doesn't give two shits about defending our Bill of Rights and Constitution and is bought a paid for by Wall Street interests like Goldman Sachs! THAT'S the kind of leadership America needs now! Sing it! Oh and his supporters are just horrible people, how they only care liberty and freedom and all that stuff. Who needs all that, shit?! Lets just close our eyes and vote for the GOP's version of Obama. That'll fix everything!
@elroloLive10 The important thing is that Obama is gone.
As for Ron Paul, he's a career politician who's found a niche of people who are willing to throw money at him. But does anyone *really* think the GOP is going to put someone who published racist newsletters against the first black president? That's just absurd.
@CorrosionX3 I see what you're trying to do. By the numbers, it's clear that with Ron Paul's supporters staying home, no other Republican nominee can win the general election.
@CorrosionX3 Ron Paul's supporters don't have to vote for anyone at all. Without them the Republican nominee will lose the general. It's up to the rest of the GOP to understand what they have to do to win.
@carlosenriqueulloa It's become like a cult. Everything Ron Paul says is gospel and anything he doesn't say is irrelevant. When Ron Paul disagrees with reality, his supporters agree with him.
@daggerrun How is Paul done? He has Texas/California in the bad which equals out to a,little over 300 delegates on their own. Iowa has yet to give any delegates however Ron Paul's people are the only one's sticking with the Iowa delegation he is likely to score the biggest share there as well. Seems to me you have been misinformed.
I would interested to hear your thoughts on King David then. Otherwise after your insane Ron Paul trip of calling for revenge and judgement it's time to click the unsubscribe button. Sorry MM it was fun while it lasted. I'll be praying for you because you need it.
jrc99us 2 days ago
Uh huh you support Ron "Legalize Drugs and Prostitution" because he's a family man, right? Yeah I do forgive Newt and no I don't judge him on his faith like what you are doing MM.
jrc99us 2 days ago
The guy in this video is a hypocrite, evangelical? Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any tattoos upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28
WorldMilitia 6 days ago 2
@WorldMilitia Tattoos and Adultery....Apples and Oranges
icemilitia 3 days ago
How's this for family values: Ron Paul would make the U.S. safe for abortion and gay rights. He is a libertinetarian. Don't let that "I'm a doctor and I delivered lots of babies" routine fool you. He is the most socially liberal, anti-family politician running, even over Obama. Libertinetarians are the biggest social liberals of all, that's why so many democrats are attracted to them. They don't care anything about the family or their values. They just couldn't be bothered. For the record!
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ceeker248 1 week ago
the only video of yours i like
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WCdragoninja 1 week ago
We should all service Jesus on our knees until he COMES!!! AMEN!!!!!
WCdragoninja 1 week ago
Gingrich reminds me too much of Congressman Leonard Boswell. He's just like him, turncoat.
catnkaboodle 1 week ago
Hey dick-hole Molotov, Reagan divorced his wife, people can be awesome at their jobs and have terrible home lives at their own fault. I think Newt would be a GOOD AT BEING PRESIDENT, I am not voting him to be my father or the father of my children.
FrankDaTank1218 2 weeks ago
@FrankDaTank1218 Molotov is merely stating the fact that the Family Values crowd picking Newt Gingrich is a joke because he doesn't embody the values that they supposedly promote. And I personally agree with him.
DaSticksanStonesClub 1 week ago
@FrankDaTank1218 Reagan Divorced his wife. He didn't cheat on his wife with another woman, and then marry the mistress like Newt did. Just saying.
howulikethemapples80 1 week ago
@howulikethemapples80 good point
FrankDaTank1218 1 week ago
Nice job using one of Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals in your propaganda video. Nobody is perfect but you or the ones you chose, right molotov?
terryweb 2 weeks ago
mr ehud, you hit it on the head for me. mitchell is emphasizing personal morality over public ideas. is ron paul pro family because he allows states to decide abortion but has stayed married for a long time? that's just a little more pro family than president obama. many of the greatest ideas of the founding fathers came from philanderers like benjamin franklin. pro family is more about policy polucy personal morals. sexual character counts, but I don't think it trumps everything else.
dgsinclair 2 weeks ago
Anyone, but Obama. I'd rather take my chances by picking, at random, anyone who has left a comment for this video. I'd rather plunge into the abyss of uncertainty, than do a header into a known, Marxist, level of hell. Obama is that bad, and will only get worse, when there's NO accountability to hold him back. Yes, he's been holding back.
So if any of you get the nomination, you'll have my support, sight unseen.
ravenslaves 2 weeks ago
And I suppose RP is going to bring us faith and family when he would allow states to decide everything from abortion to gay marriage? Tell me Mr. expert, how is Abortion (which is murder) a states rights issue and not a federal issue? Clearly our consitution covers the right to life, thus, anyone telling you that this is a state's rights issue has his head up his rear end! or he just doesn't want to have to argue the point and express his actual views on the issue are.I call that cowardly!
MrEhud77 2 weeks ago
And one more thing.. Obama appears to have decent family values at least when it comes to his family but he likes to kill babies.
MrEhud77 2 weeks ago
We are voting for a president not a pope my friend. Issue matter, policies matter, having 3 wives is between him and God. He's not applying to be the pastor of your local church my friend. Now that being said I do perfer santorum.
MrEhud77 2 weeks ago
This type of thinking is so alien to me.
redchango 2 weeks ago
This is so on point. I don't get how conservative Christians can look at him and not see Clinton 2.0
CTYankeeinTexas 2 weeks ago
@CTYankeeinTexas He's quite different from Clinton but I do perfer Santorum.
MrEhud77 2 weeks ago
Evangelicals have disgusting bias. You were talking about family values and held up Romney's Mormonism as a negative. That didn't even need to enter this conversation.
acerusso 2 weeks ago
I can't believe it either, Molitov!
Gingrich.yuck! :P
3monkeysmomma 2 weeks ago
I agree with everything except for Ron Paul. There isn't enough second-hand pot smoke in all of North America to make his foreign policy look good.
RighteousPaladin 2 weeks ago 2
If you are going to condemn a man because he has sinned, you might as well condemn everyone, as the bible says all have sinned! The bible also says if you have even looked at a woman with lust in your heart you have already committed adultery! Now, I'm not a genius myself ( like you ) but I would have figured you could have come up with a lot better reason why someone should NOT vote for Newt than his past sins! saying you are not judging is BS!
zztopperman1 2 weeks ago
@zztopperman1
I don't thinking I'm "condemning" him just because I want to vote for someone with a better track record of good judgement and self-control. I think that's a perfectly reasonable way to choose a president. If we're not going to have standards, we can save a lot of time and just draw names from a hat.
3monkeysmomma 2 weeks ago
this video hit the nail right on the head! good job!!
wardogctu 2 weeks ago
Step right up, folks. Meet God's appointed whipping post....Molotov Mitchell.
Since when are we Christians supposed to judge each other? It's not against the law to be an adulterer or be married multiple times. However, it against the law to take the stand in a court of law and lie about it, ie Bill Clinton. Last I checked, Gingrich isn't on the stand.
jtnoodle 2 weeks ago
@jtnoodle Hmmm The Bible doesn't say not to judge it says to judge with a correct judgement " Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment." John 7:24. And looking at how a man keeps or doesn't keep solemn covenants is a right way to judge his character, breaking three covenants say some thing about you it say you don't keep agreement and you put your own self interest ahead of others.
ceeker248 1 week ago
"Judge not, lest ye be judged". I know some Christians that are just like Molotov. They're really annoying. Constantly projecting what they believe onto everyone else.
jtnoodle 2 weeks ago
@jtnoodle You do not build your case on just one isolated verse the bible also says" Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment." John 7:24, please obey 2 Timothy 2:15 when you quote the words of God " Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. "
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ScottStedford14 Judaism is a very capitalist religion/religion focused on personal property and an absence of debt. Now Atheism and Satanism (Specifically the LaVeyian sect practiced by so many Americans) is very self centered and thusly will want the best for themselves above others every time (As is evident in communist regimes around the world). Communism comes from Atheism and by extension LaVeyianesque Satanism, not Judaism.
Legion719 2 weeks ago
Anyone but BO
BT3701 2 weeks ago
Nutty caramelly Newtty good...He's a f^c&ing candybar!
I like the part where he leaves his sick wife and votes whichever way the wind blows. Now, that will rot more than just the teeth! That man's soul has a cavity...
Mittens Romney? Another non-Christian pretender, banker, slacker, billionaire banker backer.
Vote Paul or it doesn't matter...
1776 = Now
aristotlestudent 2 weeks ago
This video is one big straw man argument. Though not on the subject of judging which thehighervoltage doesn't get. For instance, Bill Clinton may have said that, Newt didn't. Newt said he made mistakes. If Newt was claiming he was right, I'd have a hard time backing him. It is a valid argument to judge a person's character before voting for them. Romny is a liar and liberal. Ron Paul is a nut job. Santorum, is not right, but is weak. Santorum can't figure out Federalism. Newt blows them all away
1980PintoMan 2 weeks ago
@1980PintoMan
If it comes down to Newt vs Obama 2012, I'm not sure which one will take the country down deeper into the pit faster. But the direction is still going to be DOWN.
DraughtOfPeace 2 weeks ago
I won't be voting for Newt in the primaries...
because I agree with you on this.
I think most of these guys backed up Newt to overthrown Romney. (who you said was just another Obama)
but if it is the choice between Newt and Obama.....
Then I have no choice BUT TO VOTE FOR NEWT.
Would be nice for one election not to have to choose the lesser of 2 evils.
CAUGHTUPALIVE1 2 weeks ago
For once, I've got nothing negative to say...
I LOVE SEEING CHRISTIANS CRITICIZE OTHER CHRISTIANS! ^_^
*gets the popcorn*
theirishfrog 2 weeks ago
Molotov, I am a Liberal subscriber of yours and though I disagree with most of your political stances you are totally right here. This a very peculiar way that supposed family values Christians have decided to campaign in support of. Kudos!
cordlock 2 weeks ago
You're looking at Gingrich all wrong. You have to pretend he is trustworthy, when evaluating him. Then its ok totally exceptable to vote for a guy, you know, you can't trust.
cozyfoxstudio 2 weeks ago
@ScottStedford14 The Jews have nothing to do with the NWO. Just because a few of the key players are of Jewish decent don't mean the whole race or religion is out to get you. I would agree on the satanists. After all, Satan is the adversary. But the Jews being responsible for financial downturn is a tactic borrowed back from Germany during the Nazi occupation. The one spreading the misinformation about God's chosen people? Probably was at the hands of the sworn enemy of God.
Legion719 2 weeks ago
@Legion719 Do you know that Satanist don't actually worship Satan? hey worship Baphomet... (a latinisation of Muhammad)... So are satanists really Islamics? No... you need to quit watching movies and read a bit....
apathy74 2 weeks ago
Hit the nail on the head, Molotov!
Alexr197 2 weeks ago
Good video. Thanks for the guts to say it.
TheGrayman1234 2 weeks ago
For the Record, you made some very good points.
JubeeBijou 2 weeks ago
@JubeeBijou I like that ;D
Alexr197 2 weeks ago
As i Catholic I am a hesitant supporter of Newt. In my own conversion to the that Catholic Faith I know how essential the power of the Sacraments were and are in my ability to put to death the deeds of the flesh.If Newt's conversion to the Catholic Faith was not sincere and true then he does not deserve our support. If however by Christ's power through the Sacraments he has come to be freed form these sins i'm not sure excluding him would be wise. Consider Saint Paul, the murder of Christians.
ThanksStJoseph 2 weeks ago
Damn! Newt is a No Way! I am appalled at Newts morals but I am more worried about Newts Honesty and Integrity. Newt is like Obama with 30 years experience in Dirty Deeds!! Newt? NO FRIKKEN WAY!!!
red5llaw 2 weeks ago
don't like Neut Gingrich. I agree with Mitchell.
TCPRadio 2 weeks ago
Eh? I thought this was a video on Gingrich, whats with all the Ron Paul bashing? Lol, at least save it for the RP videos. Haha
demboys18 2 weeks ago
LOL, it's true. Newt is piece of crap.
and i have this horrible feeling he's gonna go the course.
MensRifleAssociation 2 weeks ago
Newt is Clinton 2.0 just fatter and less charming! Spot on Molotov :D
JC1JS2 2 weeks ago
THANK YOU MOLOTOV!!! It's people like you that give me hope for america. Some people aren't just sheep following the crowd. They think about what they should do before they do it. You fit into this category. Keep it up! :)
DaSticksanStonesClub 2 weeks ago
I love your Maths!
christianpatriot125 2 weeks ago
Molotov--I'm a Christian right-wing conservative from the great state of South Carolina-I am also appalled and ashamed to call myself a South Carolinian after -Newt Gingrich won my state. Furthermore I voted for Ron Paul. With any luck, and with God's blessing I can onlly pray that Dr.Paul Fights the good fight and becomes our Republican candidate in the near future.
James29440 2 weeks ago
@ScottStedford14 Interlocking fingers is not a conspiracy, it's a comfortable hand position when speaking. In many speech instructors in college they tell you to do this because it A.) exudes control (because your not flailing) and B.) give you something to do with your hands if your a nervous public speaker. He could have picked it up in a class somewhere. Now if he started defending the NDAA or SOPA, I'd be worried.
Legion719 2 weeks ago
How is being anti gay marriage being pro family? Sounds like you're anti family to me. You're against people who are different from you having families of their own. Shame on you.
Cenamark2 2 weeks ago
@Cenamark2 just one reason to not be ok with gay marriage is the fact that it is a god ordained contract. Gods law is against homosexuality. so the two dont work. simple really. its not hate its for the good of humanity. disease, lack of reproduction, just two examples.
50317mike 2 weeks ago
@50317mike And what part of the 1st Amendment don't you get? I don't want a god I don't believe in deciding public policy.
Lack of reproduction makes homosexuality bad? Have you ever used a condom, masturbated, or had oral sex? If so you're a hypocrite.
And disease can spread through both gay and straight sex. Both gays and straights need to use protection and stay loyal to their partners. Gay marriage would help with that.
Cenamark2 2 weeks ago
@Cenamark2 I hope you are logically consistent and want to afford the "right" for boy lovers, animal lovers, polygamists, and Necrophilites to have supposed "families" as well?
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 That's not being logically inconsistent. Gay love is okay because it involves 2 consenting adults. Boy love involves a minor so consent isn't there. Animals can't consent with sex with a human so that too should be illegal. Corpses can't consent either. You're an idiot and a bigot for trying to lump homosexuality with those other things.
Cenamark2 1 week ago
@Cenamark2 how intolerant of you that you are willing to impose your morality on these other forms of family and deny them the rights you want for your self. Why are you not willing to change the definition of consent just like you want the definition of family changed so we can have equal rights for all forms of sexuality?
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 Ha ha ha... that's funny. Again your argument of equating Gay love with pedophilia, necrophilia, and bestiality is lame and tired. You only oppose gay marriage because an old fiction book tells you its bad.
Cenamark2 1 week ago
@Cenamark2 Don't run from the question and come with an ad hominem, if you want egalitarianism between Marriage and supposed Gay marriage on what bases do you reject it for ALL forms of sexuality? If I am basing my moral position on the Bible which is what the idea of morality in the western world is historically based on, what are you basing you idea that homosexuality is "SUPERIOR" to these other forms of sexuality on? Explain your Worldview please.
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 I told you I'm basing it consent. Heterosexuality and Homosexuality both involve 2 consenting adults. Bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia don't. Get that through your skull before you go about acting like a philosophical genius.
Cenamark2 1 week ago
@Cenamark2 Ok back to my first question if you expect society to change the definition of family to accommodate homosexuality why are not willing to extend a hand to other forms of sexuality and champion the change of the concept of consent? Also why are the traditional ideas of consent just, but traditional ideas of marriage not? On what bases do you embrace one and reject the other?
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 Instead of basing my world view on a ruddy ol' piece of fiction I base it on consequences. If two men have sex it doesn't hurt anybody. If a man has sex with a child, it hurts the child. Bestiality hurts the animal, and necrophilia... well shoot if somebody is willing to donate his corpse to a necrophile I wouldn't really have a problem with that.
Cenamark2 1 week ago
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ceeker248 1 week ago
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@Cenamark2 And on what do you base your idea of harmful consequences on? There are psychologist who would disagree with your assessment of whats harmful, why are they wrong and you are right? You seem like a homosexual supremest, why do you think that form of sexuality is better and more MORAL then others? Homosexuality has been historically deemed harmful yet you are willing to challenge that view, why not for these other sexualities ? ..So intolerant!
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 It has only been deemed historically harmful by Christian societies, so of course I'll challenge that view. Christianity has been far more harmful and has killed more people than homosexuality, yet you believe it should run our country. 400 years ago the buybull told Christians to burn witches. 1000 years ago it told them to invade the holy land. The unchanging inerrant word of God has been changing and has been proven wrong for generations.
Cenamark2 1 week ago
@Cenamark2 Wow you really good at avoiding my questions and changing the subject. Oh its ONLY Christian civilizations that rejected Homosexuality, I didn't know this could you give me the names of some of the other socialites where Homosexuality is considered NORMAL? Is it in African..nope, Middle East..nope, Asia..nope..wow it's almost like the majority of the human race has agreed homosexuality is abnormal.
ceeker248 1 week ago
@Cenamark2 I didn't even bring the Bible into the conversation.. your worldview fails logically without having to reference Christianity.
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 You brought it in as your world view to compare it to mine. The Buy Bull fails in the face of any world view and I'm glad the Founding Fathers did what they could to protect us from theocracy. Just don't wear any mixed fibers...
Cenamark2 1 week ago
(2 of 2) The danger in Romney is that we don't know what he is capable of until he is elected but in all honesty I would take my chances with Obama for a second term before I would vote for Romney! My dad use to say I will sleep in a room with a rattle snake as long as I know the rattle snake is there but what happens when you let your guard down and assume that the snake is mearly a black snake? All I'm saying is do your research!
usbrotherhood11b 2 weeks ago
(1 of 2)Fact of the matter is that the ONLY candidate that can actually make a change for good in America is Ron Paul... Santorum would be the runner up to Paul but still supports big government spending. Gingrich and Romney are both RINO's and don't deserve the chance to be the President. I just can't imagine looking at Gingrich for the next four years and Romney is another Obama.
usbrotherhood11b 2 weeks ago
Actually, I like Santorum best of the remaining candidates though I will vote for whomever ends up running against Obama (though I can't stand Paul & his neo-Nazi pals. I've read his newsletters for a long time and if he can't manage an 8-page newsletter, he can't manage the presidency but my cat has a better chance of being the nominee, we can safely ignore him)
Still, Molotov's point that character counts is well taken. Ross Perot said of Clinton, "If your wife can't trust you, why should I?"
andrewgelbman 2 weeks ago
Ron Paul 2012!
Besides, I wouldn't vote for any of the other ones because they are funded by the big corps
Rekedens 2 weeks ago
@Rekedens
ron paul is also funded by big coprs its the only way
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist but they don't have as much influence. the people with the big bucks have say as to how the country is run
Rekedens 2 weeks ago
@Rekedens
ron paul and his funders have big bucks !
you really think ron paul is an average person ?
that guys is rich as hell !
just like the other president canditates !
thats the prob over in the US only rich people can get president !
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist I know he's rich, you have to be. But he's not influenced by the big corps and rich people, who have more control over the gov't then you might think
Rekedens 2 weeks ago
@Rekedens
if u really believe that then ... xD
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist guess you never heard of the bilderberg group then..?
Rekedens 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist Not really. Their finances are public. You can look them up. Paul has about 2 mil. And you can look up contributions. His are unique among candidates by coming from a LOT of small donations. Top employers of donors: 1) Army 2) Navy 3) Air Force.
dreamcore 2 weeks ago
@dreamcore
and alot of money comes from places we are not allowed to know they dont show everything !
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@dreamcore ill pm back in about 30 minutes and its about 14 degrees Fahrenheit xD
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist
need to walk my dog so :'( !
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
I'm voting for Mitt. He’s a decent, intelligent man. He turned around companies in his private job. He turned both the Utah winter Olympics and Massachusetts around from financial failure to financial soundness. Mr. Fixit is what we need. He may not be perfect, but perfection is in short supply lately.
carlosenriqueulloa 2 weeks ago
Newt seems to be the only one going for Obama's throat, if the others would step it up I am sure people would change sides.
laserblast92 2 weeks ago
I think the reason that "family value" voters are rallying around Newt is because many of them are Evangelicals. These voters think Ron Paul is crazy, and they would never vote for a Mormon like Romney. The crazy part is he criticizes Romney for flip flopping when Gingrich has had three wives and two religions. Not to mention he is big government Republican who has personally said he loves FDR and models himself after Woodrow Wilson...
Choncho661 2 weeks ago
I agree with this more than anything. I have been struggling with who to endorse. I was a Herman Cain man until it was found he was a cheater. I liked Michelle and Tim" Pawlenty. I dont care for Mit one bit. Rick is a cool guy, Mr. Paul is good on paper and thats it. I struggle ethically with Newt. Sad to say, he is our best bet for beating Obama. I will come out say this on the same note. Anyone that takes Allen West as a VP gets my vote.
jorpizarro 2 weeks ago
thumbed up.
SupremeAmerican 2 weeks ago
This is why I am for Santorum.
Santorum 2012!!!
MrConservative608 2 weeks ago
@MrConservative608 I like santorum. i LOVE Paul. I'm wary of Romney. I do NOT like gingrich. Santorum did say something that caught my attention though. He wants to reduce or eliminate corporate income tax for manufacturing facilities. That will not only create MILLIONS of jobs, it will give factories that moved to china a legitimate incentive to have more profitable environment in the US, increasing employment, national productivity, # of tax payers, and the value of the dollar.
SupremeAmerican 2 weeks ago
@SupremeAmerican "He wants to reduce or eliminate corporate income tax for manufacturing facilities"
The 'trickle down' effect sounds good, but it's hasn't worked with anything it's been applied to. Our jobs were protected when we had tariffs on goods from slave wage nations. That's how we use to compete. And I think that's what we should bring back to bring the jobs back.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@MrConservative608 the only thing that could ''flub'' santorum's strategy on production and manufacturing facilities, is if mandatory employer to employee health care gets pushed through.
SupremeAmerican 2 weeks ago
shame on Chuck Norris
joegully 2 weeks ago
@joegully Agree. And many others.
carlosenriqueulloa 2 weeks ago
@joegully Careful. He's always watching you. XD
DaSticksanStonesClub 2 weeks ago
ron paul is even worse then obama !
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist yes, especially for banksters like you
EaSyNa123 2 weeks ago
@EaSyNa123
i like his economic point of vieuw but not is national security or foreign relations etc..
ow maybe ur a socialist or a muslim because there typical ron paul voters !
MrFalangist 2 weeks ago
@MrFalangist I am not a socialist or muslim. It is easy to dismiss RP if you don't know all the facts. Thic could help you: watch?v=K3N0s_Ibau4 .
EaSyNa123 2 weeks ago
@EaSyNa123 Ron Paul is the candidate for the tin foil hat crowd. He's also racist, so is his son. You know that Rand Paul wants to segregate all the diners in Alabama.
Cenamark2 2 weeks ago
@EaSyNa123
that cunt want to stop the alliance with israel and be best friends with egypt,iran,china etc..
MrFalangist 1 week ago
@MrFalangist No, he wants to stop pimping the Israel and use diplomacy instead of force.
EaSyNa123 1 week ago
@MrFalangist How is he worse?
Ripereality 2 weeks ago
(1) "As a Christian voter, it's my duty to judge *" - Christians were told not to judge anyone. Yet...it's your duty?
(2) "A murderer can repent to God and be forgiven, but that doesn't mean he should be let off the hook". - and yet that's exactly what the Christian doctrine claims it does mean.
DoubleThink. You should look it up.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Molotov here. Using only Matt 7:1 is incomplete. The verse doesn't forbid judging at all -- it is speaking to not judging unfairly. In fact, Christians are COMMANDED to judge by Jesus, Himself: John 7:24, “Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.” Jesus also told us how to judge trees by their fruit. And in the video, I made it clear that while God may forgive eternally, temporal ramifications remain.
Research. You should look it up.
illuminatitv 2 weeks ago 17
@illuminatitv
I hope they're not silly enough to come back, because there's Far more said about judging than just what's mentioned in John..good job..
Personally, I think they're ALL actors, but no question, I like the Ron Paul "character" the best, whatever writing team drew him up did a great job, they're just 2 or 3 generations too late for the country to bite...not that we could tell with all the phony "Polls" and voting "Machines".
Blessings.
Shalom 2U bro..
Sven3xs 2 weeks ago
@illuminatitv I've researched...from as many angles as I can. I still do. And it's a DoubleThink contradiction - much like the 'don't kill' and 'now kill those people and those people...'; and the general theme of : 'I'm a just god...but I don't really judge on good/evil, I judge on belief and call it justice.'
I agree with what you said 'the guilty shouldn't be able to escape punishment.' however, that's in contradiction to the whole Jesus scapegoats your punishment thing. DoubleThink.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage Two different types of things can not contradict each other, only things that are the same in the same way can contradict. Words take on meaning in a context, the context tells you the way the words are being used is different. There is a difference between just and unjust judging or killing ...different things can not logically contradict each other..thus there is no "DoubleThink contradiction".
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 what the hell are you talking about?
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage I am talking about what I wrote and what I wrote is what I am talking about.
ceeker248 1 week ago
@ceeker248 I'm just going to back away slowly now...
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage mmm k
ceeker248 1 week ago
@illuminatitv The problem with these arguments is neither of you are using the original language. Pull your concordances out people! :) "Krino" in the greek (matthew 7) refers to a judgment as in a court, a verdict or condemnation. We are not called to "krino" because that is God's job. anakrino (1 corinthians) means to investigate or examine, even discern. We are called to "anakrino" all things. So we are called to discern all things but never to condemn or come to a verdict about others.
bkeach 2 weeks ago
@illuminatitv : Did you delete my post? LOL
bkeach 2 weeks ago
@illuminatitv I just want religion out of politics. It used to be that way before Pat Robertson. I wish we had an atheist candidate.
Cenamark2 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage Straw Man. You should look it up.
steve0281 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
... you got pwened...
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome doublethink is not ownage :/
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Here's what happened, you tried to misinterpret a verse from the bible and by making this assumption; Mitchel came back and used the correct meaning of said verse thus negating your point completely... This by all rights equals pownage...
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome I didn't misinterpret. I read the bible for what it says - and recognize the contradictions...not make excuses for them.
When it comes to judging, the bible runs the full gambit from 'judge not' to 'judge everyone'. From 'only god can judge' to 'the saints will judge' (1 Corinthians 6:2).
Defending one side of schizophrenic DoubleThink, by ignoring/word playing the other side, is not 'pownage'. It's willful delusion.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Wait wait, you forgetting that there are different kinds of judgements. Molotov already explained the "Judge Not or you too shall be judged" which is saying " don't be a hypocrite" or... don't judge others if you are guilty of the crime yourself.
"We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequence, the Lord Jesus Christ" - John 14;6
Mitchel presented a solution thus according to the bible hes good to go.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome "Molotov already explained the "Judge Not or you too shall be judged" which is saying " don't be a hypocrite" or... don't judge others if you are guilty of the crime yourself."
Yep, that's one point for me. Unless of course, Molotov is a devout homosexual and never 'looked a women lustfully' (committing adultery according to Jesus' though crime). Otherwise, he's a hypocrite.
And John 14:6 doesn't say anything about Christian being judges. You spinning BS too?
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
But your point was that Christains weren't allowed to judge period... Molotov would have to be guilty of the same crime in order for your case to be right... So I don't see how you got a point...
Also John 14:6 was me copy and pasting the wrong verse... Look at...
Timothy 4:2.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome Yes that was my point. And you even backed me up with your apologetics, even though they are not supported by the bible.
#1 Jesus said "who ever is without sin throw the first stone" He didn't say "only those who committed the same exact sin - don't throw the first stone."
However, either way, are you claiming that Molotov has never looked at a women with lust? According to Jesus, that makes him an adulterer. - same sin he's pointing out.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Gingrich and Clinton both did more than look at a woman with lust... they cheated on women, huge difference. Also he without sin simply means "nobodies perfect" it doesn't mean you can't judge them for the mistake... it just means forgive them as long as they don't repeat the act " go and sin no more.".. Clinton and Gingrich did multiple cheating.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome "Gingrich and Clinton both did more than look at a woman with lust... they cheated on women, huge difference."
Not to Jesus - he's into thought crime. "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Matt 5:28.
Common sense says there's a difference, Jesus' 'outline for sin' says there's no difference.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
That's not punishing thought, that's punishing looking at a woman sexually "looketh" not "thinketh".
2. Ok... do it with me now Higher...Bing... search.... Timothy 4:2...enter... yup my first result was the one I quoted again.
3. Personal attack? Can't win the debate so go after the source? I'll humor ya; that pic isn't a girl, that's a man. As a transgender myself I use a trans like icon; and don't start with the "god hates you" bit, heard it all before.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome 1. Poetic mumbojumbo aside, you look with your eyes, lust is in the brain. It's a thought crime.
2. I don't use bing. I use google. and in Google, 1 Timothy shows up before 2 Timothy. Either way, neither Timothy is talking about judging people, it's talking about teaching the myths accurately.
3. Cool by me. I didn't choose my sexual preference, so why would I slam anyone for being born with theirs? But no, pointing out hypocrisy is not a 'personal attack', it's just fact.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
1. Eye aren't your mind, you can take your eyes off a body...
2. It's talking about teaching and to be ready to defend your belief, which means you'd have to be able to "judge" when said beliefs are threatened.
3. When you bring something personally about the debater instead of negating and refuting their words in an effort to discredit them, that's an attack... it just happened to fail miserably when you attempted it on me.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome #1 you said looking with lust and cheating are totally different. I already pointed out the bible says they're the same.
2. correcting someone to 'spreading the word' accurately, has nothing to do with judging people.
3. I questioned if you were hypocritical yourself, having a 'lustful' pic as an icon. It's not an attack, it's a valid question directly related to our discussion.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
1. The bible is only referring to looking, the verse itself says it all.
2. Knowing when said beliefs are threatened requires judgement.
3. How are tank tops and shorts lustful?... Firemen are used a lot in foreplay, does that mean that they walk around "lustfully?" Sorry to say but when it comes to clothes, it becomes an opinion.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome 1. Ya the verse does say it all - look with lust, and you're committing adultery.
2. Judging ideology and judging people are 2 different things.
3. The person wearing stuff isn't the one 'looking with lust'.
These aren't hard concepts.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
1. We can both agree its a bad idea to stare at a woman who doesn't want to be stared at and undress her with our eyes right? Just look away if you can't look upon her without doing that.
2. You were very specific, according to you it says believers aren't allowed to judge other people period.
3. Well I'm lust free and your point is negated if we're talking from perspective here... if you want to attack me on anything, choose envy.
BoyKagome 1 week ago
@BoyKagome 1. I don't see anything in wrong in contemplating anything. I don't buy into the stupidity of thought crimes. Actions can be evil, thoughts are not. Strange how biblegod doesn't get that.
2. That's what the bible says : judge not.
3. You're 'lust free'? wow. So no sexual desires what-so-ever? That's not normal. You must be broken.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage
1. Again not thoughts, the passage you use punishes looking with lust... eyes not mind, the passage says "look".
2. That passage is saying don't be a hypocrite, not to not judge; you're going in circles.
3. You were talking about the picture in my icon, course there are things i'm attracted to; but that icon is a goal.
BoyKagome 1 week ago
@BoyKagome What you look at, and the emotions felt about it, are both processed in the brain.
'Judge not' is 'judge not'. Making words mean what you want them to mean, and not what they say, is ridiculous.
But this is going no where. Take the last word if you want it. I'm done with this.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@BoyKagome "Also John 14:6 was me copy and pasting the wrong verse... Look at...
Timothy 4:2."
really?
"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" - 1 Timothy 4:2.
what is wrong with you? Is your Holy Spirit broken? Or does it just not exist?
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage
-sigh.- I'll just copy and paste the actual words.
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage, with great patience and careful instruction.
Funny I looked up Timothy 4:2 and that was my first search result... I typed Bing... search... Timothy 4:2... first result. Which means I think you purposely took the wrong verse one.
BoyKagome 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome That's interesting how a search engine overlooks 1 Timothy 4:2, and puts 2 Timothy first in the search results. Your computer must be magic. And no, I didn't purposefully take the wrong verse. Not putting a "1 or 2" in front of Timothy was all you.
But in any event, what does 'preach the word accurately' have to do with judging?
Seems to me, you're twisting the meaning of one verse, to counter the direct implications of another verse that you don't like.
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@BoyKagome (CONT) On another note, I notice your account pic is a cartoon girl in skimpy underwear. Typical, hypocritical, 'make excuses for doing what I claim to be against' DoubleThink Christian?
TheHigherVoltage 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage take a class in logic
ceeker248 1 week ago
We need someone who will mop the floor with Obama.
I can't wait until we never hear from Ron Paul ever again. His supporters are the worst.
CorrosionX3 2 weeks ago
@CorrosionX3 I don't agree. Why do you think there the worst?
Ripereality 2 weeks ago
@CorrosionX3 Yeah, I can't wait til we end up with somebody that doesn't give two shits about defending our Bill of Rights and Constitution and is bought a paid for by Wall Street interests like Goldman Sachs! THAT'S the kind of leadership America needs now! Sing it! Oh and his supporters are just horrible people, how they only care liberty and freedom and all that stuff. Who needs all that, shit?! Lets just close our eyes and vote for the GOP's version of Obama. That'll fix everything!
elroloLive10 2 weeks ago
@elroloLive10 The important thing is that Obama is gone.
As for Ron Paul, he's a career politician who's found a niche of people who are willing to throw money at him. But does anyone *really* think the GOP is going to put someone who published racist newsletters against the first black president? That's just absurd.
CorrosionX3 2 weeks ago
@CorrosionX3 I see what you're trying to do. By the numbers, it's clear that with Ron Paul's supporters staying home, no other Republican nominee can win the general election.
dreamcore 2 weeks ago
@dreamcore When Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, half his followers will do what they did last time, they'll vote for Obama.
That's what you get for courting antiwar leftists.
CorrosionX3 2 weeks ago
@CorrosionX3 Ron Paul's supporters don't have to vote for anyone at all. Without them the Republican nominee will lose the general. It's up to the rest of the GOP to understand what they have to do to win.
dreamcore 2 weeks ago
@CorrosionX3 They are a bit... intense shall we say?
carlosenriqueulloa 2 weeks ago
@carlosenriqueulloa It's become like a cult. Everything Ron Paul says is gospel and anything he doesn't say is irrelevant. When Ron Paul disagrees with reality, his supporters agree with him.
CorrosionX3 2 weeks ago
Paul is done, lets move on!
daggerrun 2 weeks ago
@daggerrun How is Paul done? He has Texas/California in the bad which equals out to a,little over 300 delegates on their own. Iowa has yet to give any delegates however Ron Paul's people are the only one's sticking with the Iowa delegation he is likely to score the biggest share there as well. Seems to me you have been misinformed.
YaHuWaHservant 2 weeks ago
If Eye of Newt gets the Republican nomination, we had all better vote for him... just to get obama out of office...personally, I wanted Bachman...
Theskybluelake 2 weeks ago