Worst Person In The World: Keith Olbermann versus Glenn Beck

[SuperGuitarman69]

Corporate alliances? Okay let's look at that... GE is a major contributor to the Democratic party.. There are TONS and TONS of regulation that keeps GE at the top of the food chain.. Hardly a free market.. subsidies to corporations and regulations that protect them.. This is the MO. Sound like National Socialism?

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 I never said the Democrats were not toying with fascism either. They just aren't toying with it nearly as much as the far right segment of the republicans are. I mean: the whole reason the health care was a whole fight was because many republicans were essentially owned by the insurance companies. Obama's been a horrid president akin to Bush. Voting in 2012 will be tough since it will be either an evangelical apocalyptic nut or 4 more years of a weak president.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 2 The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance - Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Part 2

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 3 Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...). 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly - Part3

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 4 - Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking. 6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in Part 5

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 5 hands of the State - Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. Part 5

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 6 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. - Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, Part 6

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 7 the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations. 8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.-

Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Part 7

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 8 Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. Part 8

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 9 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China. Part 9

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 10 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. Part 10

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part 11 We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". Now that is what I want you to contemplate.. What parts of this do you agree with?

[SuperGuitarman69]

@MarioSMB3 Facts, History, and empirical evidence are what I adhere to. You attack FOX because you have nothing to base anything on that you believe. It is a fact the leftist is an agendist. History, mathematics, facts are not on your side. So you do what you are trained to do. Attack FOX. Let you in on a little secret. It doesn't work anymore. When you do that or other leftist on tv do? People roll their eyes. They see what is happening and they no longer listen to your propaganda. It's over

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Nearly everyone in the world that has an IQ over 140 considers themselves left leaning. I think you should know that.

This video attacked both Beck and Olbermann for their embellished and agenda driven news reporting, but you come here to defend Beck. Beck, btw, attacks education and intelligence very frequently and promotes revisionist history, false economics, and false science among other things.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Nearly everyone in the world is a trained socialist.. And college professors are hardly smarter than a truck driver eating in a Waffle House in Kentucky.. They know nothing about the market, life, or having a real job.. They are not for liberty, they are for tyranny and the protection of their jobs... And no, the people that actually run this country day in and day out are hardly unintelligent.. Willing serfdom is the definition of insanity.. Did you know that?

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 The best part of willing serfdom: in order to make people willing serfs you have to lie and tell them they aren't. AKA: glenn beck and his ilk spouting off about freedom and then promoting ways to decrease it.

The whole "all professors are left wing" is a myth btw. Its no surprise you'd believe it. Some are left, some are right, most are moderate. Glenn Beck has no problem lying about this fact in order to advance his anti-education agenda.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 You keep saying Glen Beck.. This has nothing to do with Glen Beck.. It has to do with common sense, rational people finally having enough, and saying this is it, we are through.. You have ran the country into the ground with socialist agendas.. Medicare, Medicaid, SS, entitlements, welfare etc... We are done with it.. This country is in a default position.. And we WILL NOT LET IT HAPPEN.. What you do not see? Is the Americans that are about to say Jefferson was correct.. Part 1

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Thomas Jefferson... For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.Thomas Jefferson.. I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive. Thomas Jefferson The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.Thomas Jefferson.. Do you understand this???

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 There is no lying about the current education system.. I went to Wash U for economics.. I dealt with it.. WHEN I WAS A LEFTIST!!! It wasn't until leaving school did I actually "get it".. Listen, changing your opinion? Have no desire too.. But to wake rational common sense people up? Yes, I am after them. You are a lost cause.. An anti-American.. Exposing you is my goal. Not rationalizing with you.. You do not possess that quality.. Defeating you is my #1 goal..

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Are you really going to sit there and tell me that all your professors filled your head with leftist propaganda? Don't lie to yourself :) Some professors give their political views, some will be left leaning and some will be right leaning. Most professors don't bring politics into the discussion unless the subject is directly related.

A common tool used by fascists in the past: Calling those who disagree "anti-nation" . The Tea Party took that right from Mussolini's playbook.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Anytime we are on the subject of government? You better believe it.. I never noticed it because at that time I was a leftist.. It seemed natural to me.. I actually thought my teachers/professors, were much more plugged in to the realism of politics and economics.. NOTHING could have been further from the truth.. Now in fairness, they do not have a real job.. They go to school, get out and go back.. Maybe buy a house, but certainly do not understand free markets in the least.. P1

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 How could they? All they know of it is on paper.. And at that point that was me as well.. But, in advanced economics classes things become clearer... You start studying results and not formulas.. In those classes I found the professors staying away from political ideology.. That surprised me... Why would they not champion Socialism when we are studying results of systems? Because the numbers didn't work.. Keynes in the end was dead to me.. Austrian has NEVER been attempted. P2

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Quick story.. When I started having my eyes open was after seeing Friedman and Piven within a week of each other.. During my Macro substance Analysis class.. It was a required attendance.. I was a leftist.. Now combine Milton with common sense and facts? You have a leftist (me) rethinking their entire position on things.. My integrity couldn't take it.. While screaming teachers and student were yelling at him? I got it.. And realized that we were being TOLD what to believe..

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Also the Tea Party. Tell me what they believe that is so evil to you??? What is it exactly that would kill America? Kill this country? What would it be??? You have to answer that objectively.. Simply saying that they are following Mussolini's playbook? How exactly? Mussolini's playbook includes socialism.. Isn't that your playbook? Mussolini wanted the government to control healthcare.. Isn't that Obama's MO?

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 The state comes before the individual. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines fascism as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized, autocratic government.” This stands in stark contrast to the classical liberal idea that individuals have natural rights that pre-exist government; that government derives its “just powers” only through the consent of the governed; Part 1

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Finally: Why use webster when you can just take the definition of fascism straight from the designer's mouth? Mussolini defined fascism as the "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power. "

I see the tea party kneeling before the corporations, yelling for their already unimaginably low tax rate to be lowered. Its sad to see history repeat itself.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 No.. Where in the hell do you get your resources from.. Hitler controlled industry, not worked with them... The VW Beetle was Hitler's idea.. That is called nationalization.. And you forget, I have a degree in this.. Mussolini and Hitler wanted state controlled capitalism.. Guess what? That IS socialism.. They have a lot in common with Obama.. Healthcare etc.. In fact, Douglas the one who came up with Canada's model was a lover of Hitler.. He promoted eugenics.. Part 1

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Hitler controlled industry through his corporate alliances, they willingly did what he asked them to because they supported him: that's a free market. Hitler and the german corporations were intertwined (corporations got rich and hitler helped them), just as they were in Italy at the time in accordance to fascism. Eugenics is something different entirely and it was isolated to Nazism (a shoot off of fascism). I never accused the tea party of nazism (although they are similar)

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 and that the principal function of government is to protect the lives, liberties, and properties of its citizens, not to aggrandize the state. Okay Pooternackle5, do you see how you are a fascist? As defined by Websters? Conservatives and Libertarians are the "liberals" NOT the leftists.. That is why I no longer call leftists liberals.. There are NOTHING more than Mussolini fascists.. Think about that for awhile and contemplate that.. Then realize that you are being fed BS

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 An absolutely free market has been proven to fail. That's why it only exists in modern day city-states like Hong Kong and not massive nation-states. A mixed economy has been proven to be superior in both morality and effectiveness to a purely free or purely controlled one. Actually, Mussolini despised socialism to the same degree as Franco did. Hitler utilized a mixed economy that leaned capitalist (which is why Hitler's germany was a huge economic success: he had a mixed

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 economy) I am anti-fascist. That is why I am anti-tea party. If you could name 5 differences between Mussolini's fascist ideology and the Tea Party's so called libertarian one, then do so. Your claim that Mussolini was pro socialism is ludicrous. He sent black shirts out to attack the unions and socialists were imprisoned. Hitler and Franco did the same.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 And what do you think if the United States constitution falls? What do you think will be the outcome? Exactly what we have only with no individual liberty and MORE socialism.. I do NOT want that.. I believe in the founding fathers.. What they believed.. A free society.. And oh by the way? Hong Kong is using our original model.. Way to go leftists.. Let the Chinese steal our system and completely dominate us..

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Oh and the Tea Party thing.. You say you are anti-fascist? Then why do you support leftists policies? healthcare? nanny state laws? regulations that benefit campaign contributors? 1) Mussolini was for state controlled healthcare Tea party = against Dems = for. 2) Mussolini was for state controlled business Tea Party = against Dems = for 3) Mus.. took away weapons Tea Party = against Dems = for 4) Mussolini was for redistribution Tea Party = against Dems = for 5) Mussolini was P1

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 for state ran education Tea Party = against Dems = for 6) Mussolini was for a progressive tax Tea Party = against Dems = for.. Let me summarize in Mussolini's own words shall we.. Mussolini's own summary of the Fascist philosophy: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State) who does that sound more like? Democrats or the Tea Party? I rest my case..

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Again more from Mussolini.. "Fascism has taken up an attitude of complete opposition to the doctrines of Liberalism, both in the political field and in the field of economics". Liberalism in the classical sense is an AMERICAN doctrine.. As a conservative (I am) liberalism is NOT a bad word.. To a fascist leftist liberalism is a word they use to give the "illusion" of liberty value.. Just come clean and say you think that Mussolini had it right and we will go from there..

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Mussolini went up against both liberalism and socialism. Actually, liberals in Weimar banned the Red Front, but allowed the Brown Shirts to terrorize the streets. They did this because of their economic agreements. I don't dislike people who promote a free market. Libertarians are fine (TEA aren't libertarians though) I dislike people who promote a fascist ideology - it just so happens fascists like to utilize a free market because the socialists prefer a controlled one.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 I think you are a bright guy and can realize things.. I do not want you to be scared away from truth because you hold so tightly to an agenda.. The Democrats are NOT your friend.. All they need is your vote.. You are inconsequential in their goals.. Their goals are one of power.. Power over you me and everything else.. Look at San Fransisco.. They are pro gay sure, but so what, they are telling a private company they cannot put toys in their happy meals? Does that not sound p1

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 I also want you to name 5 differences between Mussolini and the Tea Party. If they are so different like you claim then it shouldn't be difficult to provide 5 differences.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Republicans are no saints.. But at least they want regulation to a minimum and allow courts to settle disputes between retailers, wholesalers etc... The ONLY role government should have is making sure that the COURTS cannot be manipulated.. But the entire Democratic party is lawyers... Lawyers LOVE nanny state laws that benefit them and keep them in power.. Look, just admit to all of this and argue WHY you LOVE government controlling MY life? Not yours, MINE! Why?

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 fascist to you Pooter? I mean this is what happens when you have a city full of leftists with no one there to reign in the lunatics.. Freedom is lost, liberty is lost.. Look, you will find most conservatives kinda saying the whole gay thing? We can debate it.. But when it comes to economic freedom? How can we debate gay rights if we are on the verge of losing this country? The 2 American parties are the Libertarians and Conservatives.. They have cause to debate.. NOT Democrats..

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Since you bring up gay rights: Gays are always the FIRST victims of oppression in all of the fascist or totalitarian regimes of the past. In Nazi Germany, they were the first to be targeted. Before the communists and before the jews. Its no surprise that they are frequently deemed anti-american by the Tea Party.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Okay, can I give you 10 things that the Tea Party is completely against, how they are implemented, and your thoughts on why you think that these things are necessary.. Why these thoughts are implemented and why it is good for our society.. It will take probably 5 part's worth of posts to put it all in.. Would you do that?

[Pooternackle5]

@SuperGuitarman69 Go ahead and name them if they are different than what Mussolini implemented. The differences are just not there. I've asked this "list 5 differences" question to people before and none were able to provide an answer. I don't compare them to the Nazis since, despite some racists in the group, the main purpose is not racism - but ordinary unadulterated fascism is nearly identical to their message. Religion fused with government, xenophobia of ideology, ultra capitalist... etc.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@Pooternackle5 Part1/ 1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes -Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership). 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 Part 1

[SuperGuitarman69]

@MarioSMB3 No I have a degree in economics. I know facts, empirical evidence and history. Therefore my opinions are completely valid. Those on the left ignore pesky things like facts.... and math.

[Toroa28]

Beck = Fucken Idiot

Olbermann = Fucken Legend

[radicalaceshasbrin]

@Toroa28 both of them deserve to be shot by firing squad. The only reason you believe one is better than the other is because you american tools watch media that is totally devoid of objectivism and therefore lean either to the extreme left or extreme right almost all the time.

Tool

[SuperGuitarman69]

he gave FACTS about something unrelated to his claims. That is a weak argument with no backing. Beck made the claim he attended an Penn not an ivy league school. FACT. Then showed the snottiness of the left and what they think of the Penn school. Opinion based on credible data. Strong argument. Then Beck goes on to tell the history of CFR. All verifiable. His Goebbels statement was also factual. So that to strengthens his argument to a strong argument. So Olbermann is propaganda not Beck

[JosephusBlowesus]

!st off , my simple minded sap, who are all these "leftists" who condescend towards U Penn, a top ranked school? Please name me one? 2nd, what did anything Beck said about U Penn, Lippman & Lippman's tenuous, as in unproven, relation to the Versailles Treaty or Goebbels have anything to do with Joe Klein? Besides, the Brits, French & Belgians, who hated Wilson, had way more to do with the Treaty than Lippman or the CFR. As well as it was their FAILURE to enforce the Treaty that enabled the Nazi

[SuperGuitarman69]

I watched closely the statements from both. I will give this factual statement. In Olbermanns rant he raised rants about Brown. Racist, Homophobe and on and on. Which is totally fair, IF he then followed with something that could be facts to support such a claim. He did not. He quickly turned the topic to other facts about a statement that was uttered that he supposedly didn't hear. Now, that is what is called a "Red Herring". In other words he gave no evidence to support his rant, instead Part1

[imstillalive0331]

"Y95- Who needs gimmicks?"

If only that version of Glenn Beck new this version

[eyesonfox]

If anyone wants to debate me on this or any other topic, including politics, I've set up new forums at forums-dot-eyesonfox-dot-org-s­lash-index-dot-php.

[IRLpirate]

He says Treaty of Versailles like it's so bad (I mean, it was bad) but he would have been all for those terms if he was bad in those days! Woodrow Wilson was all for letting the Germans off for WWI, but would Beck ever even think of that?

[GodisHEM]

Bush opened the silk road for you jews to sell your teas and media to all again. smile Christ is Risen. Oh and this time , do not hide and convert to other religions, you are all unveiled.

[JosephusBlowesus]

@GodisHEM Another Christian bigot crawls out of his hole so he can get some wi-fi and post nonsense.

[SuperGuitarman69]

MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, are all left. And the pathetic thing about it is they say they're not? Unbelievable, you people that watch these shows actually think they are telling you the TRUTH? ACORN ring a bell? Van Jones? Hmmm? You are either the most gullable people or you have no backbone. Don't go against the kids in the sand box, always do what they do cause they're cool. Yeah that's being your own person. Those who watch FOX make up their own minds.

[JosephusBlowesus]

@SuperGuitarman69 The people who watch FOX are basically barely literate, subnormal right wing geeks who have been indoctrinated by talk radio. Sorry but ACORN & Van Jones are hardly very big stories compared to the way FOX got us into Iraq War by manipulating their moron fan base with half truths and fear.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus Absolute dumbest thing I have ever heard. Go drink the Koolaid on MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc... The only station that will report real news is FOX. For years pre internet the leftist news media reported the news from the left. And trying to pass it off as the facts or how the mood of the country was. They can't do that now. They can say something on their network and immediately someone can get on the internet to verify. This is why FOX is #1.

[JosephusBlowesus]

I'm sorry, but anyone who takes Glenn Beck seriously or complains about media bias while lapping up FOX's swill is an ignoramus of immense dimensions. FOX is #1 because it is best at pandering to all the stupid, backwards talk radio brainwashed morons, not because of their quality. Anyone who mistakes popularity for quality and integrity has no concept of quality or integrity!

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus Have you ever heard of logic debate. You have conclusive, strong and weak. It is difficult to have conclusive argument. A and B must both be "always" true to make C a fact or undeniable argument. To have a strong argument A and B have to be true "most" of the time. To have a weak argument A and B must be true at least "some" of the time. And to be a lie A and B must be incorrect all of the time. So, you have not given me a premise. Give me a FOX error that gives you cred.

[JosephusBlowesus]

@SuperGuitarman69 You have no argument, You like FOX simply because it reinforces your ignorant right wing redneck Xtian worldview.Sorry, Beck is mostly trash, his so called history is a joke. Since most real historians scoff at his garbage, it's up to him & his supporters to make their case, not the reverse. Nor are the Acorn story, which FOX didn't even breakm or Van Jones stories very big ones, more like a lot of noise. They are only important to Obama bashing rw'ers like you.

[JosephusBlowesus]

@SuperGuitarman69 You seem to be a typical right wing Christian conformist to me, so it is really ironic that you are calling others conformists when your post sounds like FOX News promo.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus If you do not want to come off as some radical spouting off at the mouth you have to have an argument. I am now determining if your argument against FOX is conclusive, strong, weak, or irrelevant. An opinion based on no facts, in which you then must concede you are an agendist. So, give me a determination of how Glenn Beck is a liar. Now to say that you have to have one type of argument. Saying it doesn't do a thing.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus That's what I thought. You don't even have one argument to back up your claim. Typical of leftists. They will say something and expect because they say it in a way that is supposed to make them look as if they have a good "bead" on what the conservatives are thinking. Belittling them is some kind of triumphant declaration of their superior intellect. It is laughable and not to be taken seriously by anyone. You are as transparent as a screen door there sport.

[JosephusBlowesus]

Transparent?, Maybe I am mistaken, but you sound like most of the other right wing morons I hear on talk radio or read here repeating FOX New's slogans & memes.Telling us about their high ratings just means you are a sap who can't tell the difference between quality & popularity.Spare me your contrived outrage, you talk trash about everyone else then cry like a little baby when it comes back to you. You are a typical right winger spouting the FOX News party line, not an honest thinker.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus your ignorant right wing redneck Xtian worldview.?? Again I will ask. WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE??? You come out with name calling. That's easy. You are a crossdresser who likes to look at naked pictures of 12 year olds. See? That was easy. All leftists are mentally ill. See, that too was easy. But I have nothing to verify it with just as you don't. This is your last chance. If you do it again you lose. GIVE ME ONE GLEN BECK LIE? OOOONE

[JosephusBlowesus]

Trouble is that I'm not a cross dresser who likes to look at naked pics of 12 year olds while, from what you wrote on your page, you are a right wing Southern white Xtian who plays guitar. My opinion of egotistical guitar players' intellects isn't too high either. Beck's so called history is shite but you won't accept anything to the contrary because it fits your world view. Almost all historians dis Beck, so it is up to you to prove him right, not I to prove him wrong, I know my stuff, not you.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus As I thought. FYI? I hold a degree in economics and in Computer Science. I am a professional musician because it pays way more. You have no valid arguments. You just name call. It is the typical leftist MO. The problem is, it just doesn't work anymore. Move on and act like an asshole to someone else.

[JosephusBlowesus]

You argument is crap, you haven't addressed one of my points. Beck's rant was total crap. Only a person of limited intellect & integrity could fail to see through his cheesy guilt by 3rd degree association of Klein. Sorry, but I know a lot more about that period of history than some right wing childish dork like Beck or one one of his equally dense fans. It has been a total displeasure trying to reason with a person, who despite his degrees, is basically as ignorant as he is obstinate. Bye!

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus Yeah sure you do. TV stations are clambering to get your intellect captured on a network. You and your own intellect against an entire team of people who work around the clock fact checking. Suuuuure. Lol, what a joke you are. I said give me one thing and of course you failed to do that. Thank god you are in the vast minority of Koolaid drinking nitwits in this country. The independants are no dummies. The progressive movement is the slime that is beneath rocks in a river.

[JosephusBlowesus]

I am heck of a lot better educated, more intelligent & honest than a semi literate media phony who cries & acts like a child on air or any of his equally stupid, backwards fans. That you continually confuse Beck's popularity with scholarship & integrity tells me you have no concept of scholarship or integrity. You are just a little FOX News conformist. As far as Kool Aid drinkers go, the paranoid RW morons who take Beck's fake history & conspiracy nonsense seriously are #1 in that category

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus Where is your criticism of Olbermann? Care to defend him? Are you ready to put on the line that he is non biased that he has integrity? That he is nothing like Beck? That he isn't spouting off lies? Or are you the Koolaid drinker????

[JosephusBlowesus]

@SuperGuitarman69 As obnoxious as Keith's utterly predictable and ultimately banal knee jerk liberal rants,get, at least he doesn't cry, act like a child or weave wild conspiracy theories.

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus Uh, he gives opinions as facts. Even this video shows that. Throws out claims and then starts a Red Herring

[radicalaceshasbrin]

@JosephusBlowesus all advocacy journalists should die

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus From the beginnings of the movement it had been coopted by communists. THIS IS A FACT! The funny thing is the word "progressive". It is nothing of the sort. Liberty is progressive NOT collectivism. Tyranny has been around since the dawn of time. A group of people controlling other peoples lives because they believe THEY know better than we. The very reason you hate Beck is the very reason you hate opposition of any kind. We expose you. We point to what it is. Then end it!!! Bye

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus If you want to match wits with me you leftist asshole, my GPA was 3.7 and I graduated from Wash U. look that up! You were saying that those who watch FOX are watching it because it fits our agenda? Then watch every other network because it fits yours. You cannot watch FOX because you are not used to it. I sat through classes in college riddled with leftist professors. News flash, before I could think for myself they controlled my thinking. THAT was indoctrination. Part 1

[SuperGuitarman69]

@JosephusBlowesus It wasn't until my Junior and Senior years when I was well into my economics degree that I started seeing things clearer. I had the good fortune of having non political professors in economics. They let us look at the evidence and deduce truths for ourselves based on facts and hard evidence when it came to economic philosophy. That is when it became clearer to me. I abandoned the left forever. I am 42 years old. You wanna match wits? I'll bury you!!

[Mozart1220]

@SuperGuitarman69 People who watch Fox are just "dittoheads" that regurgitate every paranoid rant that Fox tells them to.  Glen Becck ring a bell? Bill O'Reilly? And when with the lying coward Hannity finally subject himself to waterboarding like he said he would?

[1961arnie]

hey beck ur still a half wit

[Vlad2375]

I'm glad the rich have to pay high taxes back to the people.

the rich made all that money off the rest of us anyway

[destructicon500]

I hate how Glenn Beck pronounces "Goebbels" as "Gur-buls"

[RadarGuidedVermin]

Because brain-dead liberal idiots need a tabloid TV entertainment show of their own, I give you MSNBC.

[genie0390]

i often dream about taking this big, fat, ripe turd and jamming it into Olbermann's ugly big fat face

that guy is the worst son of a bitch on cable

[wesleycrow]

I used to find this funny, but no more. I'm sick of politics all over the world, I'm sick of democrats and republicans, I'm sick of fox, msnbc, and cnn, I can't stand the bitching anymore. I just don't care anymore and I will no longer vote. Life is just to short for me to give a shit.

[yourhillary]

Olbermann himself is the worst person in the world. A Cornell grad too everyone there is Jewish.

[MadDogOfist]

I think Glenn Beck's constant insistence that Nazi's are left-wing wins it for me. He patently just doesn't care that the words left, right and nazi all have meanings and they are not what he says they are. Olbermann went kablooie over Brown but issued an apology after being taken to town by Stewart. That's the difference - Beck denies easily proven facts, such as the meaning of words, while Olbermann cares about getting the facts right, even if he twists them to fit his own narrative.

[roland20002000]

"while Olbermann cares about getting the facts right, even if he twists them to fit his own narrative. "

Well that's a bit of a contradiction. If he twists the facts to suit his own narrative then he is not using the facts on the premises they were founded so they are a perversion of the facts and not the facts.

[MadDogOfist]

It is no contradiction to say one cares about facts even if one tries to use them to support one's own agenda. No-one can be objective, but Olbermann isn't really trying to be. The news over here in the UK is very fact-based - but even here they try to tie the facts together into a narrative. - Afterall, we know that there is some kind of narrative that ties facts together, but what exactly that is can never be known. Beck gets everything wrong and doesn't care - Olbermann tries to use facts.

[colbertLOTR91]

As a History buff...I would really love to punch Glenn Beck in the face...or make him read a book about the treaty of Versailles and the rise of Hitler

[roland20002000]

You should all watch Glenn Beck.

He is the only person in the main stream media to tackle and make seance of the new world order.

So before you slag him off watch his show.

[joshvn715]

mr glenn would mind enlightening us to which faction of our country

DID NOT want to fight in World War II versus Nazi Germany....?

And which evil, progressive, socialist Nazi WWII president lead us to WIN...

National security has always been stronger under democrat, even though I am conservative I enjoy UNDERSTANDING HISTORY, not manipulating a master narrative of...... BULLSHIT

and oh yeah everyone after Roosevelt is more "progressive" than the President before him

until Carter to Reagan

[MadDogOfist]

Nixon more progressive than Johnson?

[joshvn715]

Yes NIXON was more progressive than LBJ!

Nixon was so incredibly close to secure total HEALTHCARE but the Democrats stopped him with in-fighting

Connally, Wallace, after LBJ oust from Democratic Party left to Repubs lol

What is hilarious is that

the late Ted Kennedy, God rest, opposed him on health-care and as fate would have it his death would end healthcare legislation by allow Scott Brown... irony :D

Nixon we are all Keynesians

Until now are there libs and conservative never before

[MadDogOfist]

They'll get it through. They have to.

[JosephusBlowesus]

@MadDogOfist in some ways, yes!

[roland20002000]

Hitler declared war on America first actually so maybe you should check hisory.

The point Becks makes is that people get sucked into this philosophy of socialism/ marxism/ progressivism thinking that all problems can be addresed by government.

Every time this has happened through history the state becomes all powerful and then turns into something nasty and when the people realise it's becoming nasty it's to late because they have given up they're freedom to the state.

[joshvn715]

Hitler declared war as posturing himself against AMERICANS unyielding support of British MUNITIONS and support.

Progressives like ROOSEVELT knew America was going to fight but it was a matter of when to convince rooted isolationists!

FDR championed American power and propelled into the world's greatest power EVER! .. thats a progressive

according to Beck, FDR did that to stop the monster he created in Hitler to begin a war he knew he would win and become a superpower

and then put Obama....

[JosephusBlowesus]

@joshvn715 Beck needs to study history not teach it. But the morons who watch FOX don't care since they are so low quality.

[MadDogOfist]

Erm.... yeah, it's terrible in the UK, knowing I can just walk to a hospital and get checked out without checking with my bank first... just awful.... yeah, back in the 40's people must have had it so much better, with private insurers looking after them... and to think of the massive trotskyist state I'm operating in now, what with the phone tapping and the curfews and the single wage... oh, wait, no. The NHS came and has changed Healthcare - for the better - and nothing else.

[joshvn715]

MadDogOfist that narrative ties together all my ..... facts but where is Obama in all this nonsense

But you know what really grinds my gears lollll

is when people say

Obama is a leftist..... unless you think BUSH is a corporatist socialist which technically he is.

Than Obama could be a leftist because

OBAMA has not done anything to be different from BUSH!

I am not blaming Bush anymore for incompetence, stupidity etc but the repubs, they created Dubya loll.

[MadDogOfist]

Obama has been very centrist, which means he hasn't suspended Habeas Corpus any time recently, or killed a million innocent civilians in the name of America. Bush should be Waterboarded and asked nonsense questions like "how many gypsies do you man-love? Come on, white boy, we know you've been to San Fran; start rapping like Kerouac and spill these beans."

[roland20002000]

No you can go down your local hospital and wait for hour's upon end. The fact is the NHS is not free we all pay for it. We just pay a lot more for a worse service and if we are not happy with the service we have no where else to go.

As for the rest of what you said reminds me of this old quote None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

[MadDogOfist]

You are so right. Jeez, I just went to a drop in centre here in Brighton without making an appointment. I was seen within the hour, forced to fill out one form, tell them my symptoms, be examined and prescribed a 10 day course of penicillin. And the worst thing is; it didn't cost me a thing. I was outraged. I mean, how DARE they treat me like that? The fact that the average Englishman spends 7% of his income on healthcare and the average American 17% doesn't excuse this excellent service.

[roland20002000]

Well lucky ducky you strait in for a touch of flu last time I went to hospital after shagging my back up at work that was so bad i could hardly walk I was waiting in Farnborough hospital for 5 hour's before I saw a doctor.

You reckon the Average American spends 17% on their health care insurance where did you get that figure from?

You say your treatment did not cost you a thing then you say the Average Englishmen pays 7%

so you either do pay or you don't work.

[MadDogOfist]

I do work (telesales; can't work without a voice: tonsillitis) but don't forget there is a private sector in this country, which drives that figure up. People think that the more they spend the better care they'll get - sometimes it's true.

A+E dep.s are all the same - when I broke my arm it took 4 hours, but in context that really isn't so long when weighed against the fact that my parents were poor and would have had to stretch to be able to afford care in the US. Here, we are looked after.

[roland20002000]

I don't hate the NHS I just get fed up with people saying how great it is it's not. You say you had to wait 4 hours with a broken arm yet the NHS is the third biggest employer in the world employing 1.3 million people. It has mare administration staff and managers than it has doctors, nurses and beds.

I worked out that for every hospital bed their are 55 individual full time employees yet you still end up waiting 4 hours with a broken arm.

[MadDogOfist]

he tries to contact their dead?

[derberg19486]

Glenn Beck is just a typical American, he can not help himself this is how Americans are raised. Say or do anything for a buck, true, false, harmful, hurtful anything for a buck. Roman Empire, American, anyone see what I am seeing?

[GreenGiantEly]

Olbermann has actually since apologised for these remarks (the most unjustified he has uttered in all the years i have watchd him for), something Fox and Beck would never, ever do.

[cagedtigersteve]

MSNBC = Obama's Propaganda Machine

Fox News = Real Truthful Unbiased Factual News

[Landrew120880]

Wow.

[mangoodvid]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahah please tell me your kidding.

[cagedtigersteve]

yes I'm only kidding.

[yourhillary]

The worst person in the world is Keith Olbermann. A man who tries to make a living by criticizing other people. He's a money grubbing rat!

[vivwritten]

HAHA. The US does not have a left or liberal leaning at all.

There is the moderates (center right) and the far right, that is all. Mainly because the people were and have been brainwashed since the 30's that giving a crap about your fellow man was communist.

[Landrew120880]

Well said.

[InvestigatorDave]

Viv:

The U.S. does not have a left or liberal leaning?! How can you say that? Our POTUS is Obama -- has been for a year. He was elected by the majority of the voters (who, one could argue, support him -- or did at the time of the vote.)

[scoggles]

@InvestigatorDave Yeah, he's a moderate. I'm a progressive. There's a lot of daylight between us.

[easymike]

And so far InvestigatorDave he has been a better Republican than Bush was. Or just about any other Republican is office. ... Of course that's not saying much.

[InvestigatorDave]

Neither Viv nor I are talking about Dems or Repubs.  Thanks for chiming in with your unrelated comment though.

[waltermh111]

Obama is center left.

He has done almost nothing that a liberal or progressive could want, at least a third of our democratic senators are conservative, and add that to the conservative republicans.

The left is not represented much at all, and when it is, the support is so weak that its near worthless.

Obama has compromised on everything disasterously.

Even the few things that he did do thats left leaning is botched.

Stimulus? Not enough spending because he gave the repubs too many tax cuts

[InvestigatorDave]

Neither I nor history can agree with you.

[waltermh111]

what history disagrees with me?

What hs he done that the left is happy about?

Besides the lilly ledbetter act.

[redbe75]

@vivwritten And you have been brainwashed that being controlled by a government is " caring".. The States give more per capita than any other nation... You have no faith in yourself, so you put your life in the hands of the state... Pity. And no, Im no neocon repub.. If anything, Im closer to a liberty loving anarchist.

[youandmeandocsupra]

thank you controlled media for spreading nutn but hate, division, biased information..so much so that people are getting tired of it and turning to independent sources...thanks  @; )

[NoUseForAName06]

there is right wing propagandha and there is left wing propaghanda..... they both distord the truth, they both are guided by ideology....they both cause more problems than they solve by dividing people and creating enemys where there is no need.....

[alucardthealchemist]

I don't think it's very fair to compare that segment of Olberman with anything from Beck, Olberman kind of has been going a bit "over the top" lately but has apologized for it, Beck is and has always been that way and will never apologize for it. No one can deny Olberman leans to the left but to compare his left to Becks right just doesn't seem right or fair

[thegreatestbak]

i agree

[southparkgtaca]

I thought the same when I seen Keith do that bit. But Jon Stewart called him out, and he played that whole segment from the Daily Show and said he was out of line. Something Beck could not admit too.....

That said, MSNBC is trending towards FOX more and more, but with the opposite ideologue.

(Although MSNBC doesn't distort data, if it goes against the left, the just don't show it. FOX will alter it, spin it, reinterpret it 7 ways to Sunday.)

[thegreatestbak]

and nothing olbermann says is a flat out lie, a distortion, a pandering to hicks, an attack on educated people and the stereotype of liberal elitism, or a dishonest and calculated emotional appeal to his viewers via the constant and consistent nazi analogies! Beck tells lies and his posturing suggests that his viewer should just believe every word! Keith respects his viewers intelligence and backs up EVERY THING HE SAYS with evidence!