@doddi1984 This is just like hockey. If you can't beat their check line, beat down their skinny finesse player with your biggest guy. And the world knew, you couldn't do it using Pippa or Jordache, cause if one were ejected you had a snowballs chance in hell...
Ah this takes me back. 1989, the Pistons was cruising on their way to the title when Zeke wanted to bang with Cartwright. He stole one on him but broke his hand in the process and he had to miss some games. The Pistons got Isiah back and then Dumars breaks his hand. Crazy but there will not be another year like 1989.
How's Karl Malone's elbow? I hope it fully healed from the vicious hit from Assiah's eyebrows. ThomAss's eyebrows did not take sh*t from anybody. The Weasel was the man
@JerryMyers..we are talking about basketball ethics!! do you think 18 year old kid cares if jordan cheats on his wife or trade hamilton?? Y wuld jordan be jealous of Hamilton? jordan can be the shit of him on court at his current age.
The pistons then are trash of that era. blemish to basketball history. lots of kids mimic their bad ass attitude on court and goes around hurting ppl. yes isiah had good ball handling skills but bad ethics and no one should look up to him as role model.
I don't know why all the shit talking about Isiah besides Magic during that time nobody else could fuck with him. He toned his game down to make the Piston Champions. You never see footage of his 1st 3 years in the league, he played very similar to Iverson but changed his game once they got Dumars & Vinnie Johnson & Chuck Daley.
@kuriaki71 Bill was about to get mopped up by Rick Mahorn. He was flailing about like a dude that didn't REALLY wanna scrap while Zeke tapped that jaw a couple times. BAD BOYS!!!!
@moviehypno23 No. Cartwright did tell MJ that if he kept telling teammates to not pass him the ball, he will not play basketball again. Cartwright took a lot of shit and one day put MJ in his place.
@MerkinMuffly Fill me in. I'm Japanese-American, 38 in 2011, born and raised in Seattle, fan of the Sonics and Blazers. But, I was a stiff who didn't have Cable TV, and we didn't have the internet and stuff back then. Please fill me in on a Cartwright/MJ tiff.
@gomarcphil not really when isiah tried to steal the ball cartwright's body contact isiah, and thought he pushed him then isiah punched him in the face, then cartwright flipped out lol
Why does everyone keep saying this is basketball? Blah, blah , blah this is a fucking stupid scuffle. People weren't getting fined hundreds of thousands of dollars for this kind of shit back then.
Grew up as a Pistons fan in the 80s... Isiah was a little punk, no doubt... But Cartwright was awful with those elbows. "Opps, I'm so gangly and gumpy I accidentally elbowed your skull". Everybody said he was a nice guy off the court, but he knew what he was doing with those elbows, they helped keep him in the league for 20 years or whatever it was. Laimbeer was dirty and didn't hide it, Cartwright was "nice" so nobody cared about all the broken noses and black eyes he "accidentally" delivered.
Im a Bulls fan, I totally agree with you. I remember when Cartwright elbowed Hakeem, the dream. Hakeem was out for a few weeks and had to wear goggles.
This is what I grew up watching; But only on NBA Entertainment VHS''s because I was too young to watch this great era... BTW If anyone has "Secret NBA" 1993 VHS please put it up
Is that a young stan van gundy i see at 3:51? lol. I love how they have to contemplate if this will be an ejection at first, no way would there be any hesitation today. There's something to be said for letting the players play
If you look closely Cartwright is spinning, Isaiah fouls him or blocks. They get tangled up and Isiah elbows him in the face which sets Cartwright off, Isiah punches him two more times before Cartwright's feet is leveled and then they're tangled up until everyone breaks up. Isiah is lucky that Cartwright didn't have his feet settled yet he would have murdered him. Cartwright wasn't an emotional guy so he had to have been really pissed.
Thats what Thomas gets for throwin that backhand like he was Cartwrights pimp. Isaih deserved more of a beating. Thats why hes not hall of fame material.
@ryanloweseibert Yeah I had everything to do with him being in the hall of fame, didn't I? And pussy fag? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Wouldn't cock fag make more sense. reference: YOU!!! Fuckin' queer!
@jscottmoody Let me help you with your English my friend. In the term "pussy fag", "pussy" is the adjective, describing what kind of "fag" he is. Pussy and fag are similar, not oxy morons. Reference in terms of what is done so heinously to both of them by black guys: Pussy = Your Mouth
@ryanloweseibert You can try to define as much as you want, its still a pathetic term. Must be a new word you learned at school the other day, huh? Pussy=Your Mouth...really? Are you fucking serious? Fuckin' toddlers can come up with better shit than that. Pussy=You, and you're bout to get fucked son!
yo 4 evrybody sayn this is real nba,i understand it was more physical back then.but its not hockey ,its basketball. nd they learned frm the pacers nd pistons brawl.lets not let it get 2 out of hand.was born in 82 (magic is the best player eva) btw,so i kno the history. kobe wudnt survive in this era.be serious!! they fouled mike cuz they cudnt guard him.he was way 2 athletic 4 dat era.
Cartwright was rough with the elbows but he NEVER got into any fights. Isiah must have really p*ssed him off! If Isiah was on the Bulls, I would love him but there was never a player I hated more. I loved the NBA back then though. Rambis v. McHale, Laimbeer v. Bird, Isiah v. Cartwright, Knicks v. Bulls! Now the best players want to play on the same team so they don't have to go through one another. I hope Durant, Rose or Blake Griffin won't be like that.
@TheKevinaustin yeah right. he could beat the shit out of you. Pippen is as big of a punk as they come. Thomas has 2 rings. How many do you have? Pippens rings all say: "Property of Michael Jordan" on them. lmfao
@muntzman4sho Zeek was a trouble maker but was tough son of a bitch. He had it coming to him. Bill Laimbeer should of jumped it. NBA Action is Fantastic!!
@muntzman4sho i agree...but i find it amusing that the pistons announcers complain about cartwright cheapshotting someone when their team's defense was based around actions like that
lol bill looked all awkward, i wish he woulda snapped his nikcuf neck though, i hated isiah, but i love him since he effd up the knicks franchise, obviously im a bulls fan.
This looks like this was in 1988 with the scores table so in the end the Pistons beat the Bulls 3 straight times in the finals from 1988 to 1990 with the Jordan Rules. Once Jordan and his teammates bought into the triangle offense his teammates got better the Pistons were basically done until Larry Brown came along.
@kilagon10 Awwwe...bitter Bulls fan still sulking after seeing their little faggot hero knocked on his ass all those times? Fuck the Bulls and Fuck Jordan!
LOL...Haven't you noticed only ghetto hoodrats, good for nothing pieces of shit (like yourself), talk shit about JORDAN?...He schooled your pussy as Pistons, and will fuck you up with his eyes closed...So fuck you and your dirty ass Pistons mother fucker.
@kilagon10 But he got FUCKED UP a lot along the way. Whos the one carrying the grudge like a little bitch who got picked on in high school? It ain't Zeke, its Air Gayness! The classless Uncle Tom that took shots at his peers at his HOF induction. The classless jackass who refused to autograph a fans jersey. So fuck you and your cocksucking Chicago BullShit team! You can go circle jerk every Bull in the locker room for all I care. And Zeke would fuck you up worst than anything MJ would do to me.
Are you using the computer at your mental hospital, because you are making no sense...LOL...I'll put it to you simple and slow, so even a retard like you can understand - J O R D A N i s t h e b e s t o f a l l t i m e, p e r i o d...LOL
@jscottmoody dude you're an idiot, jordan is the best player in the history of basketball and to call his bulls team shit is clearly dumb, 6 championships over a 12 year career is better than any player will every achieve. Every basketball/sports player has their negative moments but if you're going to dwell on the bad rather than the good, especially when the good out weighs the bad, its clearly you who has the problem, not the player.
@SPARKburntfaceman Okay, you saying he's best of all-time is highly debatable. I'm sure most younger people today would consider him the best just because what he's done is more recent but guys who grew up during Russell's time and Chamberlain's time will whole-heartedly disagree. Not to mention that there's probably a shit load of people who think Magic and Bird were better. Ranking the best single player in a team sport is hard to do because in the end it is all a matter of opinion.
@jscottmoody Also the lower percentage of people will disagree about MJ being the best and that right there is the reason why MJ will always be the best, because Analyst's, Commentators, Reporters, Journalist and The other Experts all agree that MJ was the best the game has ever seen. So having 90%+ of people agreeing that MJ is the best of all time vs probably actually less than 10% saying otherwise just goes to show you who is in denial.
@SPARKburntfaceman Wow, who the fuck are you? Jordan's gay lover? You must really like this guy. But are you sure that 90+% of people agree that Jordan is the best of all-time? I mean is there some sort of evidence that can back this claim? The only commentator that I've heard say repeatedly that Jordan is the best is Reggie Miller. Everybody else says arguably the best. In fact, Mark Jackson said that Wilt is the best of all-time. Again, its all a matter of opinion. There are no facts involved
@jscottmoody The only reason commentators say arguably, is because of lebron and kobe because they do not want to get into a pissing contest. As for proof, just ask who's the best basket baller of all time and 9 out of 10 people will say MJ; there is your proof right there. This arguement is going no where, you're clearly being completely biased about jordan due to the fact that you dislike him and that is clouding your judgement on the manor.
@SPARKburntfaceman Probably the only way 9 out of 10 people would say Jordan is the best of all-time would be if I took the poll in Chicago, and maybe North Carolina. But I ask around at work, at school, at parties, hell even at a few bars and the answers are all different, depending on the age group. People my age think Jordan but people a few years younger than me will say Kobe, and people older than me say Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell etc;. So its not even close to 90%
@jscottmoody The public will always say what they want, but it is the players themselves and experts that count. Magic, Bird, Kobe, Lebron and co. all unanimously say that Jordan was the GOAT. The statistics and legends all come to a consensus that Jordan is and always will be the best. There is no argument.
@darkvoid86 Okay, so if all of those same players say Darko Millicic is the second best player of all-time then there would be no arguing that either? You know that's not true. Lebron and Kobe say that cause the looked up to him growing up. But I seriously doubt Magic and Bird truly believe that Jordan is better than they are. They're just saying what everybody wants to hear.
@jscottmoody As a statement, that is obviously preposterous. I am talking about two of the greatest all round players of all time who could play multiple positions. Part of Michael Jordan's greatness is how he has been lauded as one of the most versatile and all around complete players of all time. Magic and Bird have testified to the press and in interviews their opinion...... if you really WANT to ignore their opinions...... that is your personal choice. But come on, this is MAGIC AND BIRD
@darkvoid86 I know its Magic and Bird, and I've heard Magic say at least on one occassion that Jordan is the best. However, I don't recall Bird ever saying that (aside from the "that wasn't Michael Jordan that was God disguised as Michael Jordan" comment, which I believe he was referring to that particular performance, not his whole career). Bird also said that Magic was the best ever, and even later said that he thinks Lebron will be the best ever. So what does that mean?
@jscottmoody Lebron James, if he doesn't retire and unretire himself whimsically in his career, he might end up with some very good totals in the end. He makes his team better and people are giving him props. But we know that lebron does not have a low post game. As for his grace and skills getting to the basket and managing himself, it isn't grace but powering through. He has also shown consistently that he isn't a clutch performer, Wade takes that job. There are statements out there from
@jdector53 what a wonderfully posed question. Basketball is technically a non contact sport. Your grace and finesse defines how economic you are with your efforts (i.e. your performance looks easy). By training hard in a way where feats of agility and dexterity are indeed easier, you can better manipulate and out manoeuvre your opponents with minimal effort and increase the longevity of your career (less stress on your body and you avoid contact causing injury).
@jdector53 Just to further clarify, where I might use the word "grace" others might use (singularly or any combination of): "a soft touch", "finesse", "dexterity", "agility", "form", "smooth", "cunning", "a high basketball IQ", "skilfulness", "mastery" etc. etc.
Players infamous for having a "soft touch", "finesse" or "grace" include: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Dr J, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Allen Iverson etc. etc.
a whole number of NBA players who played with Michael and legends who never could. Not to mention the statistics. Larry and Magic could really fill up the stats sheet but Michael........... also what Michael's teams achieved in the terms of records made......... oh and the consistency! Two dynasties that maybe, could have been achieved back to back. Magic's championships and Birds were sporadic........ some teams only get a chance at the finals once......... Jordan was just so unprecedented
@darkvoid86 Magic's and Bird's were sporadic because they played against each other in most of them. Not to mention the powerhouse Pistons of the late 80's as well. What great team was out there that could really challenge the Bulls once the Celtics, Lakers, and Pistons got old? None. I named three great franchises during the 80's. Who else in the 90's were really worth anything (aside from maybe the Rockets)? That's why Jordan was "consistent". He had basically jackshit comp.
@jscottmoody The Knicks, Utah, Rockets, Bulls, Spurs. there you go, 5 Monster Franchises that did well in the 90s. Seems you're getting more and more biased as the days go by.
@SPARKburntfaceman Oh, coming out ot help your boyfriend, eh? Now are you really going to compare the early-mid 90's Spurs, Jazz, and Knicks to the powerhouses that were the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons? I mean, the only team that won championships during that time were the Rockets and you rarely hear anybody calling them one of the greatest teams of all-time the way the aforementioned three teams of the 80s are considered,do you? Face it BullsJockey, if Jordan had started around the same time..
@SPARKburntfaceman that Magic and Bird started, there's no way in hell he would've threepeated twice. Period. I mean having to go through the Knicks and the Magic to face the Jazz or the Sonics are one thing, but having to go through the Celtics and the Bad Boys to get to the Showtime Lakers, six times nonetheless...you'd be lucky to win one or two championships.
@jscottmoody dude you SERIOUSLY need to stop being so biased, Utah were a monstrous powerhouse, Rockets were increidible for the mid 90s, Pat Ewing..... the spurs..... For someone who claims to have watched all this stuff growing up you seem to not have a clue what you're talking about. Jordan is jordan, he is the best there has ever been everyone knows this except the delusional, if you want to stay in that little fantasy biased word about the 80s being better than the 90s go right ahead
@jscottmoody Jordan would run Magic and Bird into the ground on both atletism and shooting Percentage, those two would never be able to keep up, im done with this conversation, you're clearly not going to budge when the stats and proof and experts are all against you, continue to live in that world.
@SPARKburntfaceman Experts? What experts? Two fan boys I've been arguing with thats it. You're no more of an expert than I am. As for the other "experts" who say Jordan is the best (the writers, broadcasters, peers etc;) I highly doubt they truly mean what they're saying. They're trying to make everyone happy, and in order to do that you suck on the ball sack of the one that everyone adores, and that happens to be Jordan.
@SPARKburntfaceman And I'm not saying Jordan himself wouldn't have great statistical nights. But the "Bulls" would lose to them. Period. Jordan's dominance came during a time when the NBA was watered down more for Jordan's favor. Even Dennis Rodman, who helped the Bulls threepeat, said the 89 Bad Boys were a better team than the Bulls were in mid 90's.
And you're calling me Bias when you're clearly Bias towards Jordan? So you can be bias but I can't? Who the hell are you, Hitler?
@SPARKburntfaceman And I never once claimed to have watched all that growing up. During that time I was more into playing baseball and watching boxing and wrestling. I only liked the Pistons and Isiah cause I'm from Detroit. I didn't get deeply involved with basketball into my late teens. But like everything else I'm fond of I like to learn about the history as well as the present. And not once did I hear any of the teams you mentioned get the accolades that the teams of the 80s did.
@jscottmoody They didnt get them because of jordan... because he is that good dude, he shut down so many power house teams. Ok how about, you find me 5 people who say jordan is not that best and are liked to be reporters of the nba or analysts. And name me 2-3 people you consider better than jordan, do it. As for experts; David Alrdige, Kobe, Lebron, Barkley, Kenny Smith, David Stern, Matt delvin, Kevin McHale, Reggie Miller, Kevin Harlan, the list goes on about who has said jordans the best.
@SPARKburntfaceman Wow, you need to seriously remove Jordan's testicles from your chin, bro. Okay you and the majority of "experts" believe Jordan is the best. I already I knew that. However, just because the majority believes it doesn't mean that I and others who don't have to agree. In a debate where anything is considered the best there's never, EVER, a clear cut answer. Especially in sports. Unless the entire human population is universal in agreement, then there will always be a debate.
@darkvoid86 Plus he had great teammates as well. I know the only name that really sticks out is Pippen but he also had Cartwright, Paxson, Grant, Armstrong etc; in his first reign. Then he had Pippen (again) Rodman, Harper, Kukoc, Kerr etc; in his second reign. Not to mention Phil Jackson and the NBA's biasness.
@SPARKburntfaceman And you say that his six titles in twelve years is better than any player will ever achieve. Bill Russell won eleven in thirteen years. Jordan spent the majority of his career without a ring yet Russell only went two years without getting one. So don't say that its better than anything any other player will achieve because it clearly is not.
And when I call him and his team bullshit, its merely trash talk. Relax bro. I know it ain't true. Just like that jackass
@jscottmoody dude better than anyone will achieve means in todays time, not back in the 60s when a 7 foot guy was able to dominate that much because of the lack of 7 footers back then. How did he spend the majority of his time without one, a basic math equation shows he spent just as long with one as he did without..... If you want a list of reasons why Jordan will forever be the greatest player due to changing the game as much as he did both on the court and off the court just look up on google
@SPARKburntfaceman And when I call him and his team bullshit, its merely trash talk. Relax bro. I know it ain't true. Just like that jackass kilagon10 knows the Pistons were a great team but he doesn't have to like them. Just like I don't have to like the Bulls or his MJ. Period!
These fuckin stupid ass Pistons announcers are going to whine and act like Isiah didn't do anything. The little chimp through a cheapshot elbow at Cartwright. Then, Cartwright knocked his little punk ass on the ground.
Jordan had to be like "really, I am hearing that we need to tone it down a notch? Do you realize Laimbeer is the other guy you are speaking to?" Lol
bangworthy1 4 weeks ago
Isiah socked the shit out of him.. watched cartwright's face at 4:26
oOWrvOo12 1 month ago in playlist nba fights
Isiah is such a dirt-bag, and this is one of the reasons why no one wanted him in the 92 Dream Team.
doddi1984 1 month ago 2
@doddi1984 This is just like hockey. If you can't beat their check line, beat down their skinny finesse player with your biggest guy. And the world knew, you couldn't do it using Pippa or Jordache, cause if one were ejected you had a snowballs chance in hell...
bangworthy1 4 weeks ago
the whole detroit team was crazy
richardkennard 2 months ago
Notice how Jordan tried to stay as far away from the ruff stuff as possible lol...
KIRKADELIK 2 months ago
Ah this takes me back. 1989, the Pistons was cruising on their way to the title when Zeke wanted to bang with Cartwright. He stole one on him but broke his hand in the process and he had to miss some games. The Pistons got Isiah back and then Dumars breaks his hand. Crazy but there will not be another year like 1989.
bgiles26 2 months ago
How's Karl Malone's elbow? I hope it fully healed from the vicious hit from Assiah's eyebrows. ThomAss's eyebrows did not take sh*t from anybody. The Weasel was the man
Kabaratchi 3 months ago
Answer to the G.O.A.T. Question. Bill Russell 11 Championships player/coach for 1
NITTY103166 3 months ago
@JerryMyers..we are talking about basketball ethics!! do you think 18 year old kid cares if jordan cheats on his wife or trade hamilton?? Y wuld jordan be jealous of Hamilton? jordan can be the shit of him on court at his current age.
aykp7823 3 months ago
The pistons then are trash of that era. blemish to basketball history. lots of kids mimic their bad ass attitude on court and goes around hurting ppl. yes isiah had good ball handling skills but bad ethics and no one should look up to him as role model.
aykp7823 4 months ago
Awesome!.....What's the year here?
Chronos127 4 months ago
Isiah fought back!!
sosdkny 5 months ago 2
@sosdkny isiah threw the first punch
bkershaccount 5 months ago
HOly shot Cartwright was like a stampeeding elephant there was no stopping him, He just trampled isiah thomas LOL
boxingfan510 6 months ago
Of course Laimbeer had to get involved...
Idiot.
wiiisthebest 6 months ago
BWAHAHAHAHA, lmao bitch Isiah looked like Jim Rome when Jiim Everett mugged him on ESPN.
ChrisinEC 6 months ago
wow :O
Pedrop6 7 months ago
I don't know why all the shit talking about Isiah besides Magic during that time nobody else could fuck with him. He toned his game down to make the Piston Champions. You never see footage of his 1st 3 years in the league, he played very similar to Iverson but changed his game once they got Dumars & Vinnie Johnson & Chuck Daley.
1Blkkato 7 months ago
Isiah
uclaking03 7 months ago
ishiah finally gets his ass whoped
happy101ize 7 months ago
@happy101ize u need to search for Malone elbwos Isiah.....Malone KO'd his bitch ass............
ChrisinEC 6 months ago
horrible basketball< no talent. no fights in todays game because its about talent and skills not thugs
77danigga 7 months ago
bill was about to tear that ass up
kuriaki71 7 months ago
@kuriaki71 Bill was about to get mopped up by Rick Mahorn. He was flailing about like a dude that didn't REALLY wanna scrap while Zeke tapped that jaw a couple times. BAD BOYS!!!!
KIRKADELIK 2 months ago
who won?
charonassasin 8 months ago
We're to announce Isiah Thompson as our new head coach.
upabittoolate 8 months ago
Wait... Phil Jackson use to get off the bench when he coached?!
xxcrazypiratexx 8 months ago
Reminds me of the Sampson-Sichting fight--big man overreacting to a foul by a player much smaller.
jackdav34 8 months ago
detroit players are thugs,isiah is gay
jjonah10 8 months ago
magic johnson was more graceful than lebron james? bird? what?
the most efficient, economical play against ball pressure is to drive past it in a straight line
jdector53 8 months ago
Wow 2m15 vs 1m85... nasty
franccoiss 8 months ago
I just called that number and sales people WERE NOT on duty!
toxictc13 8 months ago
haha I remeber this as a kid. NBA use to be as physical as the NFL.
ChiefsBulls587 8 months ago
it snuffs the ball on bc, bc rabbit puches it, it throws a right forearm to bc's right ear, bc puts it on his ass. no harm, no foul
ultrakool 8 months ago
look at Phil Jackson trying to break it up!! lol!
infamousmag 9 months ago
Wow, couldn't tell this was a Detroit broadcast could ya?
MerkinMuffly 9 months ago
Cartwright is one of those players you don't fuck with, ask MJ
MerkinMuffly 9 months ago 9
@MerkinMuffly You beat me to it. I remember that incident, and you're correct, in his day he was one man you didn't want to mess with.
gbinct 8 months ago
@MerkinMuffly did Cartwright once beat MJ's ass and earn his respect?
moviehypno23 7 months ago
@moviehypno23 No. Cartwright did tell MJ that if he kept telling teammates to not pass him the ball, he will not play basketball again. Cartwright took a lot of shit and one day put MJ in his place.
Mistuhbig 6 months ago in playlist NBA
@MerkinMuffly Whats the story? I know MJ was cruel to dudes that didn't hustle and hated loosing. Is there a You tube post to check out?
tellthetruthg 4 months ago
Respond to this video... Zeke is crazy that hard life he grew up in is evident in his game. He had the smile of an angel a hells angel
tellthetruthg 4 months ago
@MerkinMuffly Fill me in. I'm Japanese-American, 38 in 2011, born and raised in Seattle, fan of the Sonics and Blazers. But, I was a stiff who didn't have Cable TV, and we didn't have the internet and stuff back then. Please fill me in on a Cartwright/MJ tiff.
abysmalatrocious 1 month ago
that aint basketball,thats fukin thugging on the street.dam these hood niggas
stevechen1991 9 months ago
These announcers are HORRIBLE! They keep sayin Bill Cartwright as if he started the fight...lol Unbelievable!!!
dre4eva 9 months ago
377-0100 back when we didnt have area codes
heat3wade3flash 9 months ago
good defense by isiah. Cartwright flipped out for no reason.
gomarcphil 9 months ago
@gomarcphil not really when isiah tried to steal the ball cartwright's body contact isiah, and thought he pushed him then isiah punched him in the face, then cartwright flipped out lol
GoatAirJordanFTW 9 months ago
@GoatAirJordanFTW he did the Dwight Howard, Shaq, Kobe arm flailing thing and caught isiah. Zeke had no choice but to steal off on him lol
gomarcphil 9 months ago
@gomarcphil yer i know it looks funny
GoatAirJordanFTW 9 months ago
Why does everyone keep saying this is basketball? Blah, blah , blah this is a fucking stupid scuffle. People weren't getting fined hundreds of thousands of dollars for this kind of shit back then.
HowlingJongo 9 months ago
NOW KIDS...THIS IS BASKETBALL!
wornoutshoes11 9 months ago
Dman Zeke stole Cartwright 5 times and Cartwright didn't get one lick in! Zeke was def the most scrappiest PG of all-time.lol.
chiladin 9 months ago
Grew up as a Pistons fan in the 80s... Isiah was a little punk, no doubt... But Cartwright was awful with those elbows. "Opps, I'm so gangly and gumpy I accidentally elbowed your skull". Everybody said he was a nice guy off the court, but he knew what he was doing with those elbows, they helped keep him in the league for 20 years or whatever it was. Laimbeer was dirty and didn't hide it, Cartwright was "nice" so nobody cared about all the broken noses and black eyes he "accidentally" delivered.
shock1974 9 months ago
@shock1974
Im a Bulls fan, I totally agree with you. I remember when Cartwright elbowed Hakeem, the dream. Hakeem was out for a few weeks and had to wear goggles.
TheDOLMET 9 months ago
This is what I grew up watching; But only on NBA Entertainment VHS''s because I was too young to watch this great era... BTW If anyone has "Secret NBA" 1993 VHS please put it up
HubieBrown2ndPerson 9 months ago
I loved how the pistons played basketball in the 80's, but Isiah Thomas was a bitch
JoeZeon100 9 months ago
@JoeZeon100 know what you mean. remember when thomas "iso'd" michael jordan during an all-star game? what a jealous, lil spoiled brat
ultrakool 8 months ago
isah thomas bill lambeert and dennis rodman automatically + an automatic slug fest every game
slim5poppa 9 months ago
What year was this?
TheHawaiiKid 10 months ago
This makes Kobe vs Reggie looks like nursery school.
IwasBannedfromYtube 10 months ago 12
Why does everybody hate Isiah?
jgelotin 10 months ago
Is that a young stan van gundy i see at 3:51? lol. I love how they have to contemplate if this will be an ejection at first, no way would there be any hesitation today. There's something to be said for letting the players play
steveryans2 10 months ago
0:39 - "The guy makes it look so easy....it almost spoils you sittin here watching him.."
Lebron James would agree.
max6413 10 months ago
That's my man Isiah! Cracked that big bitch ass up. Well what else do you find in a Chicago Bulls uniform aside bitch asses?
jscottmoody 11 months ago
4:26 Isiah cracks his ass
JDezi4BVlog 11 months ago
Isiah Thomas was SUCH A LITTLE PESKY BITCH. He's the worst.
STIRKDAWG 11 months ago
...sorry...what a shot on 1:50!??
anyway to me is 2 for isiah and 1 for bill.
gigettu 11 months ago
...sorry...what a shot on 1:50!??
gigettu 11 months ago
If you look closely Cartwright is spinning, Isaiah fouls him or blocks. They get tangled up and Isiah elbows him in the face which sets Cartwright off, Isiah punches him two more times before Cartwright's feet is leveled and then they're tangled up until everyone breaks up. Isiah is lucky that Cartwright didn't have his feet settled yet he would have murdered him. Cartwright wasn't an emotional guy so he had to have been really pissed.
Aggie1985 11 months ago
NBA now is unwatchable....this is when it used to mean something
cerqs76 11 months ago
...from the day when players DIDN'T puch and run. Her that carmelo?
AvEryBadApPLe 1 year ago
Thats what Thomas gets for throwin that backhand like he was Cartwrights pimp. Isaih deserved more of a beating. Thats why hes not hall of fame material.
ryanloweseibert 1 year ago
@ryanloweseibert Well then why is he in the Hall of Fame then?
jscottmoody 11 months ago
@jscottmoody because of other pussy fags like him. reference: You
ryanloweseibert 10 months ago
@ryanloweseibert Yeah I had everything to do with him being in the hall of fame, didn't I? And pussy fag? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Wouldn't cock fag make more sense. reference: YOU!!! Fuckin' queer!
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody Let me help you with your English my friend. In the term "pussy fag", "pussy" is the adjective, describing what kind of "fag" he is. Pussy and fag are similar, not oxy morons. Reference in terms of what is done so heinously to both of them by black guys: Pussy = Your Mouth
ryanloweseibert 10 months ago
@ryanloweseibert You can try to define as much as you want, its still a pathetic term. Must be a new word you learned at school the other day, huh? Pussy=Your Mouth...really? Are you fucking serious? Fuckin' toddlers can come up with better shit than that. Pussy=You, and you're bout to get fucked son!
jscottmoody 10 months ago
lol at that little nigga!
josephborderline 1 year ago
yo 4 evrybody sayn this is real nba,i understand it was more physical back then.but its not hockey ,its basketball. nd they learned frm the pacers nd pistons brawl.lets not let it get 2 out of hand.was born in 82 (magic is the best player eva) btw,so i kno the history. kobe wudnt survive in this era.be serious!! they fouled mike cuz they cudnt guard him.he was way 2 athletic 4 dat era.
MrTaymoo13 1 year ago
These announcers drunk a gallon of the Pistons kool-aid directly out of Isiah Thomas' ass.
willie2604 1 year ago
I'm reading "The Franchise" right now. When Isiah clocks Cartwright with the left, Isiah breaks his own hand.
rnvarma 1 year ago
Cartwright was rough with the elbows but he NEVER got into any fights. Isiah must have really p*ssed him off! If Isiah was on the Bulls, I would love him but there was never a player I hated more. I loved the NBA back then though. Rambis v. McHale, Laimbeer v. Bird, Isiah v. Cartwright, Knicks v. Bulls! Now the best players want to play on the same team so they don't have to go through one another. I hope Durant, Rose or Blake Griffin won't be like that.
96gnohs 1 year ago
@96gnohs Or Chris Paul
Marakulous43 1 year ago
@96gnohs Rose would never be like that. His mentality is like Jordans,"Those are the guys I was trying to beat"
ryanloweseibert 1 year ago
Thomas is such a punk. (Horrible GM and coach too!)
TheKevinaustin 1 year ago 4
Detroit beat bull ass every fight and u know it
Nowiski2425 1 year ago
@TheKevinaustin but one of the best point guards of all time
Abooby20 1 year ago
@TheKevinaustin yeah right. he could beat the shit out of you. Pippen is as big of a punk as they come. Thomas has 2 rings. How many do you have? Pippens rings all say: "Property of Michael Jordan" on them. lmfao
Detlockerroom 8 months ago
cartwright beat that ass though. this is a fight. not like todays bullshit pussy fights
m3sexyballer 1 year ago
@m3sexyballer well when you have a foot and 50 pounds on a guy i hope that's what happened otherwise it's just embarassing.
footballjava32 1 year ago
That was so dirty what Cartwright did. Nobody deserves to be attacked like that just for a petty foul.
spiralmetal 1 year ago
its vids like these that make me miss rivalries like this, these bulls teams, and the chicago stadium
breadstick94 1 year ago
Cartwright gave that fucking bitch isiah a broken nose on this play. Stupid fuck
ilovechi1 1 year ago
thanks for the college banner Isiah, you faggot
PoopPeeSandwich 1 year ago
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jd55192 1 year ago
@jd55192 OH, LIKE YOU'RE SO COOL YOU FAGGOT THAT LIFESTYLE YOU CHOSE IS LIKE... SO NEAT, THANKS, COCKSUCKER, REALLY! (how was that?)
PoopPeeSandwich 1 year ago
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jd55192 1 year ago
cartwright is a mild mannered guy, isiah must have really pissed him off to get him going like this.
hmwillow 1 year ago 4
wonder what was said in the locker room interviews on that one!!
davedropd1 1 year ago
This is basketball, this is what I grew up watching.
kidistight 1 year ago 36
@kidistight Yeah me too!
flight23magic32 1 year ago
now THIS WAS A RIVALRY, yeah Bill Cartwright---BIG MAN HE SHOULDA DID ITHAT TO LAIMBEER OR MAHORN OR JAMES EDWARDS EVEN!!
SEEN AS THAT THE NBA HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY PUSSIFIED, there will NEVER BE RIVALRIES LIKE THIS EVER IN THIS LIFE TIME!!!
muntzman4sho 1 year ago 23
@muntzman4sho Zeek was a trouble maker but was tough son of a bitch. He had it coming to him. Bill Laimbeer should of jumped it. NBA Action is Fantastic!!
PDizzo 11 months ago
@muntzman4sho i agree...but i find it amusing that the pistons announcers complain about cartwright cheapshotting someone when their team's defense was based around actions like that
kidcharisma 8 months ago
@kidcharisma they cwere so hypocritical too
which made MJ torching the bad boys so much sweeter
glencoe428 8 months ago
@muntzman4sho
or Rodman.
realrocky8591 8 months ago
lol bill looked all awkward, i wish he woulda snapped his nikcuf neck though, i hated isiah, but i love him since he effd up the knicks franchise, obviously im a bulls fan.
drewdeze 1 year ago
This looks like this was in 1988 with the scores table so in the end the Pistons beat the Bulls 3 straight times in the finals from 1988 to 1990 with the Jordan Rules. Once Jordan and his teammates bought into the triangle offense his teammates got better the Pistons were basically done until Larry Brown came along.
redmustang03 1 year ago
@redmustang03 Playoffs, dude. Playoffs.
GeraldB526 1 year ago
Cartwright hit a lot of NBA players with those elbows. He fractured Hakeem's Olajuwon's eye socket.
LUTS67 1 year ago
Fuck Isiah Thomas and all those dirty ass playing Pistons...
kilagon10 1 year ago
@kilagon10 Awwwe...bitter Bulls fan still sulking after seeing their little faggot hero knocked on his ass all those times? Fuck the Bulls and Fuck Jordan!
jscottmoody 11 months ago
@jscottmoody
LOL...Haven't you noticed only ghetto hoodrats, good for nothing pieces of shit (like yourself), talk shit about JORDAN?...He schooled your pussy as Pistons, and will fuck you up with his eyes closed...So fuck you and your dirty ass Pistons mother fucker.
kilagon10 10 months ago
@kilagon10 But he got FUCKED UP a lot along the way. Whos the one carrying the grudge like a little bitch who got picked on in high school? It ain't Zeke, its Air Gayness! The classless Uncle Tom that took shots at his peers at his HOF induction. The classless jackass who refused to autograph a fans jersey. So fuck you and your cocksucking Chicago BullShit team! You can go circle jerk every Bull in the locker room for all I care. And Zeke would fuck you up worst than anything MJ would do to me.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody
Are you using the computer at your mental hospital, because you are making no sense...LOL...I'll put it to you simple and slow, so even a retard like you can understand - J O R D A N i s t h e b e s t o f a l l t i m e, p e r i o d...LOL
kilagon10 10 months ago
@jscottmoody dude you're an idiot, jordan is the best player in the history of basketball and to call his bulls team shit is clearly dumb, 6 championships over a 12 year career is better than any player will every achieve. Every basketball/sports player has their negative moments but if you're going to dwell on the bad rather than the good, especially when the good out weighs the bad, its clearly you who has the problem, not the player.
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman Okay, you saying he's best of all-time is highly debatable. I'm sure most younger people today would consider him the best just because what he's done is more recent but guys who grew up during Russell's time and Chamberlain's time will whole-heartedly disagree. Not to mention that there's probably a shit load of people who think Magic and Bird were better. Ranking the best single player in a team sport is hard to do because in the end it is all a matter of opinion.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody Also the lower percentage of people will disagree about MJ being the best and that right there is the reason why MJ will always be the best, because Analyst's, Commentators, Reporters, Journalist and The other Experts all agree that MJ was the best the game has ever seen. So having 90%+ of people agreeing that MJ is the best of all time vs probably actually less than 10% saying otherwise just goes to show you who is in denial.
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman Wow, who the fuck are you? Jordan's gay lover? You must really like this guy. But are you sure that 90+% of people agree that Jordan is the best of all-time? I mean is there some sort of evidence that can back this claim? The only commentator that I've heard say repeatedly that Jordan is the best is Reggie Miller. Everybody else says arguably the best. In fact, Mark Jackson said that Wilt is the best of all-time. Again, its all a matter of opinion. There are no facts involved
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody The only reason commentators say arguably, is because of lebron and kobe because they do not want to get into a pissing contest. As for proof, just ask who's the best basket baller of all time and 9 out of 10 people will say MJ; there is your proof right there. This arguement is going no where, you're clearly being completely biased about jordan due to the fact that you dislike him and that is clouding your judgement on the manor.
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman Probably the only way 9 out of 10 people would say Jordan is the best of all-time would be if I took the poll in Chicago, and maybe North Carolina. But I ask around at work, at school, at parties, hell even at a few bars and the answers are all different, depending on the age group. People my age think Jordan but people a few years younger than me will say Kobe, and people older than me say Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell etc;. So its not even close to 90%
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody The public will always say what they want, but it is the players themselves and experts that count. Magic, Bird, Kobe, Lebron and co. all unanimously say that Jordan was the GOAT. The statistics and legends all come to a consensus that Jordan is and always will be the best. There is no argument.
darkvoid86 10 months ago
@darkvoid86 Okay, so if all of those same players say Darko Millicic is the second best player of all-time then there would be no arguing that either? You know that's not true. Lebron and Kobe say that cause the looked up to him growing up. But I seriously doubt Magic and Bird truly believe that Jordan is better than they are. They're just saying what everybody wants to hear.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody As a statement, that is obviously preposterous. I am talking about two of the greatest all round players of all time who could play multiple positions. Part of Michael Jordan's greatness is how he has been lauded as one of the most versatile and all around complete players of all time. Magic and Bird have testified to the press and in interviews their opinion...... if you really WANT to ignore their opinions...... that is your personal choice. But come on, this is MAGIC AND BIRD
darkvoid86 10 months ago
@darkvoid86 I know its Magic and Bird, and I've heard Magic say at least on one occassion that Jordan is the best. However, I don't recall Bird ever saying that (aside from the "that wasn't Michael Jordan that was God disguised as Michael Jordan" comment, which I believe he was referring to that particular performance, not his whole career). Bird also said that Magic was the best ever, and even later said that he thinks Lebron will be the best ever. So what does that mean?
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody Lebron James, if he doesn't retire and unretire himself whimsically in his career, he might end up with some very good totals in the end. He makes his team better and people are giving him props. But we know that lebron does not have a low post game. As for his grace and skills getting to the basket and managing himself, it isn't grace but powering through. He has also shown consistently that he isn't a clutch performer, Wade takes that job. There are statements out there from
darkvoid86 10 months ago
@darkvoid86
what the fuck does grace have to do with basketball?
jdector53 8 months ago
@jdector53 what a wonderfully posed question. Basketball is technically a non contact sport. Your grace and finesse defines how economic you are with your efforts (i.e. your performance looks easy). By training hard in a way where feats of agility and dexterity are indeed easier, you can better manipulate and out manoeuvre your opponents with minimal effort and increase the longevity of your career (less stress on your body and you avoid contact causing injury).
darkvoid86 8 months ago
@jdector53 Just to further clarify, where I might use the word "grace" others might use (singularly or any combination of): "a soft touch", "finesse", "dexterity", "agility", "form", "smooth", "cunning", "a high basketball IQ", "skilfulness", "mastery" etc. etc.
Players infamous for having a "soft touch", "finesse" or "grace" include: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Dr J, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Allen Iverson etc. etc.
darkvoid86 8 months ago
a whole number of NBA players who played with Michael and legends who never could. Not to mention the statistics. Larry and Magic could really fill up the stats sheet but Michael........... also what Michael's teams achieved in the terms of records made......... oh and the consistency! Two dynasties that maybe, could have been achieved back to back. Magic's championships and Birds were sporadic........ some teams only get a chance at the finals once......... Jordan was just so unprecedented
darkvoid86 10 months ago
@darkvoid86 Magic's and Bird's were sporadic because they played against each other in most of them. Not to mention the powerhouse Pistons of the late 80's as well. What great team was out there that could really challenge the Bulls once the Celtics, Lakers, and Pistons got old? None. I named three great franchises during the 80's. Who else in the 90's were really worth anything (aside from maybe the Rockets)? That's why Jordan was "consistent". He had basically jackshit comp.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody The Knicks, Utah, Rockets, Bulls, Spurs. there you go, 5 Monster Franchises that did well in the 90s. Seems you're getting more and more biased as the days go by.
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman Oh, coming out ot help your boyfriend, eh? Now are you really going to compare the early-mid 90's Spurs, Jazz, and Knicks to the powerhouses that were the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons? I mean, the only team that won championships during that time were the Rockets and you rarely hear anybody calling them one of the greatest teams of all-time the way the aforementioned three teams of the 80s are considered,do you? Face it BullsJockey, if Jordan had started around the same time..
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman that Magic and Bird started, there's no way in hell he would've threepeated twice. Period. I mean having to go through the Knicks and the Magic to face the Jazz or the Sonics are one thing, but having to go through the Celtics and the Bad Boys to get to the Showtime Lakers, six times nonetheless...you'd be lucky to win one or two championships.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody dude you SERIOUSLY need to stop being so biased, Utah were a monstrous powerhouse, Rockets were increidible for the mid 90s, Pat Ewing..... the spurs..... For someone who claims to have watched all this stuff growing up you seem to not have a clue what you're talking about. Jordan is jordan, he is the best there has ever been everyone knows this except the delusional, if you want to stay in that little fantasy biased word about the 80s being better than the 90s go right ahead
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@jscottmoody Jordan would run Magic and Bird into the ground on both atletism and shooting Percentage, those two would never be able to keep up, im done with this conversation, you're clearly not going to budge when the stats and proof and experts are all against you, continue to live in that world.
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman Experts? What experts? Two fan boys I've been arguing with thats it. You're no more of an expert than I am. As for the other "experts" who say Jordan is the best (the writers, broadcasters, peers etc;) I highly doubt they truly mean what they're saying. They're trying to make everyone happy, and in order to do that you suck on the ball sack of the one that everyone adores, and that happens to be Jordan.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman And I'm not saying Jordan himself wouldn't have great statistical nights. But the "Bulls" would lose to them. Period. Jordan's dominance came during a time when the NBA was watered down more for Jordan's favor. Even Dennis Rodman, who helped the Bulls threepeat, said the 89 Bad Boys were a better team than the Bulls were in mid 90's.
And you're calling me Bias when you're clearly Bias towards Jordan? So you can be bias but I can't? Who the hell are you, Hitler?
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman And I never once claimed to have watched all that growing up. During that time I was more into playing baseball and watching boxing and wrestling. I only liked the Pistons and Isiah cause I'm from Detroit. I didn't get deeply involved with basketball into my late teens. But like everything else I'm fond of I like to learn about the history as well as the present. And not once did I hear any of the teams you mentioned get the accolades that the teams of the 80s did.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody They didnt get them because of jordan... because he is that good dude, he shut down so many power house teams. Ok how about, you find me 5 people who say jordan is not that best and are liked to be reporters of the nba or analysts. And name me 2-3 people you consider better than jordan, do it. As for experts; David Alrdige, Kobe, Lebron, Barkley, Kenny Smith, David Stern, Matt delvin, Kevin McHale, Reggie Miller, Kevin Harlan, the list goes on about who has said jordans the best.
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman Wow, you need to seriously remove Jordan's testicles from your chin, bro. Okay you and the majority of "experts" believe Jordan is the best. I already I knew that. However, just because the majority believes it doesn't mean that I and others who don't have to agree. In a debate where anything is considered the best there's never, EVER, a clear cut answer. Especially in sports. Unless the entire human population is universal in agreement, then there will always be a debate.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman But hey if you want to throw in the towel now, that's fine with me. Thanks the for the debate. This has been fun.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@darkvoid86 Plus he had great teammates as well. I know the only name that really sticks out is Pippen but he also had Cartwright, Paxson, Grant, Armstrong etc; in his first reign. Then he had Pippen (again) Rodman, Harper, Kukoc, Kerr etc; in his second reign. Not to mention Phil Jackson and the NBA's biasness.
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman And you say that his six titles in twelve years is better than any player will ever achieve. Bill Russell won eleven in thirteen years. Jordan spent the majority of his career without a ring yet Russell only went two years without getting one. So don't say that its better than anything any other player will achieve because it clearly is not.
And when I call him and his team bullshit, its merely trash talk. Relax bro. I know it ain't true. Just like that jackass
jscottmoody 10 months ago
@jscottmoody dude better than anyone will achieve means in todays time, not back in the 60s when a 7 foot guy was able to dominate that much because of the lack of 7 footers back then. How did he spend the majority of his time without one, a basic math equation shows he spent just as long with one as he did without..... If you want a list of reasons why Jordan will forever be the greatest player due to changing the game as much as he did both on the court and off the court just look up on google
SPARKburntfaceman 10 months ago
@SPARKburntfaceman And when I call him and his team bullshit, its merely trash talk. Relax bro. I know it ain't true. Just like that jackass kilagon10 knows the Pistons were a great team but he doesn't have to like them. Just like I don't have to like the Bulls or his MJ. Period!
jscottmoody 10 months ago
Isiah was out 3-4 weeks with a broken hand after this fight. Pistons losing out must more than Bulls here... so I guess Detroit lost this one.
TheSwedeT 1 year ago 3
@TheSwedeT Cartwright ejected and Isiah ejected? Yeah thats a win for the Bulls...
ReformBarackObama 1 year ago
It seems like Isiah gets into these alterications quite often as with the Rick Mahorn fight.
tien714 1 year ago
Pussy ass comentators - all on Isiah's nuts.
WaterzEdge 1 year ago
These fuckin stupid ass Pistons announcers are going to whine and act like Isiah didn't do anything. The little chimp through a cheapshot elbow at Cartwright. Then, Cartwright knocked his little punk ass on the ground.
scoresby33 1 year ago
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scoresby33 1 year ago
they saying cartwright and isaiah but aguirre was sticking bill too. dnt mess with the Chi home grown.
bobbymarsh1 1 year ago 3
Great Isiah Thomas every game is a battle.
bruxellesbrussels 2 years ago 3