We need a strong single payer health care OPTION and a creation of a prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B.
Search the net for the phrase "help me change America" in quotes and go to the first link and send emails to some of the companies that fund conservatives in both parties and demand the legislation from their CEOs and boycott their products until such legislation passes congress and gets signed into law.
1. I am one of those w/o health care. I'm a vet and can't get health care from the VA, I have applied every year for 10 years.
2. It's not 40 million people w/o health care, It was 45 million last year and is estimated to be 51 million now as 14,000 people lose their health care every day.
3. I don't qualify for medicare or medicaid but made 15k last year.
4. I can't afford $600/mo or $7200 per year for healthcare (I like to eat)
5. I'm still paying off the 1.1 trillion for the Iraq war.
I'm sorry that you have a problem. All the government programs have failed you. However, that is hardly a good argument for a massive new government program that would make everyone dependent on the government as you are. You actually help make my point. It is risky to depend on the government.
Also, I should point out that you are without insurnace but not without healthcare. No emergency room will turn you down. It is not great healthcare, but they give it freely.
Don't ASSUME that all gov't programs have failed me. Public libraries have enhanced my education (probably yours too).
Medicare has helped my parents ( probably yours too). More social (gov't) programs have helped also: the military, U.S. Post Office, HUD, CIA, FBI,CDC,CPA, coast guard, homeland sec., etc.
Don't forget the Social Security Insurance which I am sure you will NOT fail to cash that first check as soon as it is available even though you vehemently disagree with the concept.
Don't waste time building straw men. I made one point: The VA system (which seems to have failed you) provides poor care. If they can't take good care of our vets, we should not trust them to provide care for the rest of us. That is a real strong argument.
About the E.R.--- Your right, they won't turn me away for that day.
But what about the time I had an abscessed tooth for 4 months? Nope.
Or the time I needed double hernia surgery? Nope.
What about those who need chemo, phys. rehab, bad disk, glasses,alcohol or drug rehab, depression, liver, heart, kidney transplants? Are you telling me that these are all free and available to me right now?
Did you say that no one gets turned down at the door of U.S. E.R.s?!
Most of the people from these countries would probably love to live here because of our superior quality of life and the opportunities presented by a free society.
The real number is around 10 Million. You need to take out the illegals, the people who qualify for Medicare and Medicaid but have not applied, healthy young people who elect to go without insurance (probably assuming their parents will take care of them), fugitives from the law who live outside society, people temporarily between jobs who have not taken COBRA, wealthy people who self-insure. The liberals have really been deceptive about this.
And you can support this theory with documentation from....?
Try Gallup polls who takes all this into consideration when they take the poll, such as race, religion, employment history, immigration status,income,age,etc.
They already did this and got the number of 52.8 million.
How many countries have you visited and talked to them about this?
I have only been to Honduras, Cuba (7 times), Spain, France, Portugal, Morocco, Italy, Sicily, England, Germany, Norway, Canada, Jamaica, The Bahamas, The U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Haiti and Israel........
Italians live longer, have lower HDL levels, better hearts , lower blood pressure, some of the best art ,not to mention some fantastic food and I would rather live there!
Well, if you spent that much time in the military, then you should certainly qualify for VA benefits. I'm sorry that they let you down, but that is what happens when you depend on the governemnt. And if the government does a poor job of taking care of the vets, you know how worthless they would be for everybody else.
Mr. Youbrian, If you would rather live in Italy, then what causes you to stay in this forbidden country? Don't live a life of regrets. If all of those who believe like you would please just go ahead and make true on your wishes to live somewhere else would just go ahead and do it already, then the rest of us here in the U.S. could enjoy living here even more than we even do, because then we wouldn't have to listen to you yap about how the grass is greener ...
What about our other gov't run healthcare program--Medicare? Has it been a failure?
Or our other socialized gov't run programs, Shouldn't we get rid of them too??? Like the U.S. Military, the Coast Guard, F.E.M.A, Social Security Administration, the U. S. Post Office, the FBI, the CIA, HUD, ................................
I was a military dependent. Healthcare wasn't perfect but we always got it, it was competent and we didn't worry or go bankrupt. Bad care at Walter Reed was due to contracted out to private health plans who took profit over good care. Single payer isn't socialized medicine (sm = govt. owns hospitals and providers are govt. employees). GAO & CBO scored single payer HR 676 & finds it would save 400 billion/yr & giving us the best care using private providers. No more for profit health plans
I'm sure there are private contractors at most VA hospitals, but the responsibility still stays with the manager, the government. VA hospitals are horrible in comparison to others. If we give the government a monopoly on healthcare, it will all be horrible. It may be cheap, but it will be horrible. When the government owns your healthcare, they control your life. The people who run Amtrak should not run our lives.
We are the govt. To the extent govt. doesn't work, it's the responsibility of the voters. Single payer is not socialized medicine. Govt. doesn't own anything. Care stays private. It eliminates for-profit middlemen from putting profit over healthcare. The health system is imploding. Private nurses/doctors tell me all the time they are horrified at not being able to have the time/resources to give proper care - pressure to treat as if patients are widgets on an assembly line. Great cat btw.
Actually, it is the Canadian single payer system that is imploding. There are not enough doctors because they can't make a good living. The profit motive is why people do things; the alternative is coercion by the government. Ask the Cubans if they have a choice on where to work? Single payer is a government monopoly...they pay for what they want, and they determine the price. Free people should live in terror of that. My cat Goldie is quite popular, thanks. He was abandoned; amazing.
This argument is DUMB! "Oh look, America's government isn't working therefore government dousn't work." Well, TRY electing competent people and properly funding it! We've elected corrupt buffons to run the Government, it's not some inherent flaw in Government itself, it's the bozoos we've elected. BTW, these bozos don't even believe in Government, no wonder they suck!
Well i think we both can agree that the us health system are in problem and need reform?! Regardless what you think about covering everyone or not, you pay about 16% of your gdp to healthcare and thats a huge pricetag for a VERY limited service compared to most nations that pay about 8% of gdp. So the system is in trubble. You cant compare what your goverment provide the vets with universalHC. What you need to do is compare your system with the system there are in other nations...
...there is some very good films on pbs website that compares many different health systems with the american one. I think its called "Sick around the world" or something.
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Mandated cost-cutting steps.
Mandated cheaper drugs to be allowed across the border from Canada.
Mandated direct Federal government negotiations with the pharmaceutical companies to lower Medicare drug prices.
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
We need a strong single payer health care OPTION and a creation of a prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B.
Search the net for the phrase "help me change America" in quotes and go to the first link and send emails to some of the companies that fund conservatives in both parties and demand the legislation from their CEOs and boycott their products until such legislation passes congress and gets signed into law.
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
People wanting accurate info should go to :
The Gallup website
and The Wikipedia website under "countries that have universal health care articles"
And READ, READ, READ..........
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
1. I am one of those w/o health care. I'm a vet and can't get health care from the VA, I have applied every year for 10 years.
2. It's not 40 million people w/o health care, It was 45 million last year and is estimated to be 51 million now as 14,000 people lose their health care every day.
3. I don't qualify for medicare or medicaid but made 15k last year.
4. I can't afford $600/mo or $7200 per year for healthcare (I like to eat)
5. I'm still paying off the 1.1 trillion for the Iraq war.
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
I'm sorry that you have a problem. All the government programs have failed you. However, that is hardly a good argument for a massive new government program that would make everyone dependent on the government as you are. You actually help make my point. It is risky to depend on the government.
Also, I should point out that you are without insurnace but not without healthcare. No emergency room will turn you down. It is not great healthcare, but they give it freely.
flazney1 2 years ago
Don't ASSUME that all gov't programs have failed me. Public libraries have enhanced my education (probably yours too).
Medicare has helped my parents ( probably yours too). More social (gov't) programs have helped also: the military, U.S. Post Office, HUD, CIA, FBI,CDC,CPA, coast guard, homeland sec., etc.
Don't forget the Social Security Insurance which I am sure you will NOT fail to cash that first check as soon as it is available even though you vehemently disagree with the concept.
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
Don't waste time building straw men. I made one point: The VA system (which seems to have failed you) provides poor care. If they can't take good care of our vets, we should not trust them to provide care for the rest of us. That is a real strong argument.
flazney1 2 years ago
How do the 50 other industrialized countries with universal health care provide care for their vets?
Evidently they figured out how to do it. Like these;
Austria,Canada,Columbia, Mexico,Peru,India,Singapore,Taiwan,Thailand,England<,orway,Germany,N.Ireland,Scotland,Nertherlands,Wales,Australia,Finland,New Zealand,Hungary,Denmark,Japan,Chile,Costa Rica,Israel,Iceland,Argentina,panama,Uruguay,Greece,France,Estonia,Georgia,Slovenia,Latvia,Liechtenstein,Malta,Ukraine,Russia,Poland,Luxombourg,Romania
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
About the E.R.--- Your right, they won't turn me away for that day.
But what about the time I had an abscessed tooth for 4 months? Nope.
Or the time I needed double hernia surgery? Nope.
What about those who need chemo, phys. rehab, bad disk, glasses,alcohol or drug rehab, depression, liver, heart, kidney transplants? Are you telling me that these are all free and available to me right now?
Did you say that no one gets turned down at the door of U.S. E.R.s?!
Psst-- It happens EVERY single day
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
You will not get turned down for emergency care. Sure, it is not great, but it is open to all.
flazney1 2 years ago
Happens every day in America.
PBS just did a special about a woman with cancer (no insurance) and they have the treatment to save her life. She has 6 mo. to 1 yr. to live.
It would cost $100,000 which she does not have.
They refused treatment.......
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
I don't have "good argument" ?
Here's just a few;
Brazil,Canada,Columbia,Mex.,Peru,China,India,Singapore,Taiwan,Thailand,Finland,Germany,Netherlands,Eng.,Ireland,Scotland,Wales,Australia,New Zealand,Brunei,Kuwait,U.A.E.,Saudi Arabia,Malaysia,S. Korea,Seychelles,Sri Lanka,Pakistan,Iceland,Israel,Argentina,Chile,Costa Rica,Cuba,Panama,Uruguay,Venezuela,Japan,Georgia,Slovenia,Denmark,Estonia,France,Greece,Latvia,Liechtenstein,Lithuania,Luxembourg,Malta,Poland,Romania,Russia,Slovakia,Ukraine
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
Most of the people from these countries would probably love to live here because of our superior quality of life and the opportunities presented by a free society.
flazney1 2 years ago
First you have to get the facts right!
New numbers July 2009--- 52.8 million people without health care.
Health care premiums up 71% in the last 7 years.
9.1% of health care spending is on obesity.
2007-----premiums up 6% inflation up 3% earnings up 3.7%
And YES I did get turned down.
Abscessed tooth--Nope,Not a life or death situation. Double hernia--Nope, not life or death.
How about chemo, glasses, knee replacement, hip replacement, liver transplant?
MrYoubrian 2 years ago 4
The real number is around 10 Million. You need to take out the illegals, the people who qualify for Medicare and Medicaid but have not applied, healthy young people who elect to go without insurance (probably assuming their parents will take care of them), fugitives from the law who live outside society, people temporarily between jobs who have not taken COBRA, wealthy people who self-insure. The liberals have really been deceptive about this.
flazney1 2 years ago
And you can support this theory with documentation from....?
Try Gallup polls who takes all this into consideration when they take the poll, such as race, religion, employment history, immigration status,income,age,etc.
They already did this and got the number of 52.8 million.
Where is YOUR proof?
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
the premiums for COBRA are crazy high, if one does not have a job, one will not have enough to afford COBRA
polishshark 2 years ago
"Love to live here"?
How many countries have you visited and talked to them about this?
I have only been to Honduras, Cuba (7 times), Spain, France, Portugal, Morocco, Italy, Sicily, England, Germany, Norway, Canada, Jamaica, The Bahamas, The U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Haiti and Israel........
Italians live longer, have lower HDL levels, better hearts , lower blood pressure, some of the best art ,not to mention some fantastic food and I would rather live there!
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
So you have enough money for expensive foreign travel but not enough to buy health insurance? And you expect taxpayers to give it to you? Too funny.
flazney1 2 years ago
Your are proving yourself to be an idiot with all of your unfounded, inaccurate, uninformed and uneducated ASSUMPTIONS.
My "expensive foreign travel" was .................. In the military-----moron.
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
Well, if you spent that much time in the military, then you should certainly qualify for VA benefits. I'm sorry that they let you down, but that is what happens when you depend on the governemnt. And if the government does a poor job of taking care of the vets, you know how worthless they would be for everybody else.
flazney1 2 years ago
Mr. Youbrian, If you would rather live in Italy, then what causes you to stay in this forbidden country? Don't live a life of regrets. If all of those who believe like you would please just go ahead and make true on your wishes to live somewhere else would just go ahead and do it already, then the rest of us here in the U.S. could enjoy living here even more than we even do, because then we wouldn't have to listen to you yap about how the grass is greener ...
nosbigydna 2 years ago
What about our other gov't run healthcare program--Medicare? Has it been a failure?
Or our other socialized gov't run programs, Shouldn't we get rid of them too??? Like the U.S. Military, the Coast Guard, F.E.M.A, Social Security Administration, the U. S. Post Office, the FBI, the CIA, HUD, ................................
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
I was a military dependent. Healthcare wasn't perfect but we always got it, it was competent and we didn't worry or go bankrupt. Bad care at Walter Reed was due to contracted out to private health plans who took profit over good care. Single payer isn't socialized medicine (sm = govt. owns hospitals and providers are govt. employees). GAO & CBO scored single payer HR 676 & finds it would save 400 billion/yr & giving us the best care using private providers. No more for profit health plans
DrChristineAdams 2 years ago
I'm sure there are private contractors at most VA hospitals, but the responsibility still stays with the manager, the government. VA hospitals are horrible in comparison to others. If we give the government a monopoly on healthcare, it will all be horrible. It may be cheap, but it will be horrible. When the government owns your healthcare, they control your life. The people who run Amtrak should not run our lives.
flazney1 2 years ago
We are the govt. To the extent govt. doesn't work, it's the responsibility of the voters. Single payer is not socialized medicine. Govt. doesn't own anything. Care stays private. It eliminates for-profit middlemen from putting profit over healthcare. The health system is imploding. Private nurses/doctors tell me all the time they are horrified at not being able to have the time/resources to give proper care - pressure to treat as if patients are widgets on an assembly line. Great cat btw.
DrChristineAdams 2 years ago
Actually, it is the Canadian single payer system that is imploding. There are not enough doctors because they can't make a good living. The profit motive is why people do things; the alternative is coercion by the government. Ask the Cubans if they have a choice on where to work? Single payer is a government monopoly...they pay for what they want, and they determine the price. Free people should live in terror of that. My cat Goldie is quite popular, thanks. He was abandoned; amazing.
flazney1 2 years ago
Glad I'm not an american. I can see a doctor at any time and it only costs about $15.
GrinningSandCat 2 years ago
This argument is DUMB! "Oh look, America's government isn't working therefore government dousn't work." Well, TRY electing competent people and properly funding it! We've elected corrupt buffons to run the Government, it's not some inherent flaw in Government itself, it's the bozoos we've elected. BTW, these bozos don't even believe in Government, no wonder they suck!
RadioFreeWisconsin 3 years ago
Well i think we both can agree that the us health system are in problem and need reform?! Regardless what you think about covering everyone or not, you pay about 16% of your gdp to healthcare and thats a huge pricetag for a VERY limited service compared to most nations that pay about 8% of gdp. So the system is in trubble. You cant compare what your goverment provide the vets with universalHC. What you need to do is compare your system with the system there are in other nations...
latmasken99 3 years ago
...there is some very good films on pbs website that compares many different health systems with the american one. I think its called "Sick around the world" or something.
latmasken99 3 years ago