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  • There is so much evidence that Jerimiah 50,51 is america I could win any debate.The question is, Mystery Babylon spoken of in Rev ch 17,18.

    Is this America? Much harder to pin down.

    My take is that after Obama,king of Babylon,[ie The Antichrist] finds out we wont willingly go with his agenda .He will make us naked[take away defenses] and destroy us.He will ,after we are destroyed,take his place as head of EU along with the ten kings that havent recieved their power yet.

  • mystery babylon look up nimrod, ham begat cush then cush begat nimrod...then look up EU and vatican....they're arrayed in purple and scarlet...now america is being ruled by these folks, of course so we're in a sense both correct

  • Let's look at the facts, Arnold. America is the home to the One World Gov...and John in Wisconsic, the deadly wound has already occured, prior to the number of the beast coming out in 1936, commonly called the social security number, however, esoterically it is the # from the "empire"...thanks USA for giving us a number to "buy and sell with" per Rev 13

  • your social isn't the number of a man nor is it six threescore n six in latin or anyway you look at it. the world gov is not in place, watch for the copenhagen climate treaty to see what's next. read theendoftime d ot info - he really has a lot of prophecy correct if not all. this vid was really not to say america isn't a part of the un it's to inform those who haven't researched mystery babylon, the harlot of rev. the past present and future of babylon, nimrod, etc.

  • You might ask "What business does the private federal reserve have in numbering the people of the usa?" It took the Fed 20 years to fully bankrupt the demising us govt,, then FDR confiscated our gold and gave it to the Fed as interest payments, then they numbered eveyone and said it was for social security-which is only half correct, the other reason is to collect the interst on $ lent to the gov from henceforth....the 2 beasts (sea and earth)

  • ...well that was kinda my point-that perhaps maybe the usa is babylon the great of the last days, and if not the usa, then certainly it's financial system-which consequently ties each citizen in by the ssn

  • it's actually legal to not pay your income taxes, see aaron russo's film freedom to fascism and it's legal from what i've seen online to remove your social from the databases as well as not go along with your children getting swine flu shots, etc. so your social isn't required to buy and sell at this time. and if that were so, then who are the few who get vicotory over the beast and his image and sing the song of moses on the sand of the sea? if you have internet you're buying and selling now.

  • ive seen russo's film, try getting a job w/out an ssn, a bank account, life insurance, credit card..you can't-they need your number, there is a quote by Col Edward Mandell House you need to read...google "ancient system of pledging" and you should find it, read it, then reply back. thanks

  • jesus-is-savior do t com/False%20Religions/Illumina­ti/pope_eye.htm take the spaces out. read his entire site all the links while I read your info I'm sure we'll come to the conclusion that they work hand in hand.

  • yes, i've seen that now, and i was already aware of something similar through the new age folks and barb mar x hubard, etc. they will require you take an oath. has to do with world peace, etc. but this will not be america only, this will have an affect on the world according to scripture, right? america is really controlled by none other than the r c c you can find evidence for it everywhere, see the site i sent you

  • That quote is atleast 95 years old, if it's legit, he was speaking with Pres or soon to be Pres Wilson, prior to the passing of the Fed Res Act, you see-they had "other" plans for us here in the usa-contrary to our constitution and founders who fought this group from day 1, however, this was America's destiny,

  • 3 more days, it'll get interesting, the beast will hate the harlot at some point. watch this /watch?v=V7fL6nJ2NWY

  • The woman is pictured as sitting on the waters, beast, and seven hills (17:1, 3, 9). This is a position of one reigning in authority. The point John is trying to express is the control of the woman over others, not her geographical location.18 The woman controls the nations, the beast, and the seven mountains.

  • we must also conclude that the woman resides on many waters (17:1), which would require her to be scattered out on the face of the earth. Clearly this is not to be taken literally, for 17:15 identifies the waters as peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. If the woman is said to sit on both the waters and on the seven mountains, more is meant that geography.

  • onenesspentecostal c o m /beast17.htm

    this makes a lot of sense, more than anything else so far.

  • I would disagree with that simply because the British Empire was most likely the 7th kingdom which had the wound, (the text reads "as if it were wounded"-if memory serves me) this wound may have been contrived, regardless, you may ask who gave the wound? It was Hitler-when he counterfieted the British pound, thereby dealing a death blow to the empire, now this "Empire" is living "vicariously" through the USA via the round table groups such as and most notably the CFR, usa is the 8th head

  • I'd have to disagree, because revelation says seal up the prophecy until the end, so I don't believe it has to do with prior empires, I believe it's from 1929 and beyond when vat city received a kingdom, from then on it had kings. it makes sense with everything else and the site I sent you also.

  • Cyndrelian, I would say it is just the opposite-"she" is the 8th head which "belongs" to the other seven heads(kingdoms) being a tool in their hand...kind of a "pimp-ho" relationship.

  • onenesspentecostal c o m /beast17.htm - this makes more sense than anything. there are 5 fallen one is, this king is the 8th and is also of the 7 - this has to be a person and institution or rather a person representing the institution at the same time. since 1929 we are now on the 7th king.

  • Riddle: What kind of king has no kingdom? But recieve power AS kings for one hour with the beast...this tells me they are not kings in the literal sense of the word, otherwise they wouldn't need the beast to give them power to rule as kings since they would already be kings and ruling on their own merits as such. my suggestion is that these 10 "kings" are the moneyed elite i.e. the Rockafellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs...all the big money from when this country started to become industrialized

  • cont...these well healed fat cats ARE reigning as kings with the beast that had the deadly wound, the beast needed them in order to survive, and that was the deal: the 10 get to reign as kings in their own kingdom (USA) where before they had no power as kings, they set up the new system (Federal Reserve) their new kingdom would now be run exactly as ancient Babylon. This woman has "hopped" from head to head finally ending up for her final judgement "landing" on the 8th head (USA) :)

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  • One might want to ask one's self "What is an obelisk and why is it standing erect in Wash. DC? What is the story behind this structure?

  • completely aware of the evil in high places in this country and in the vati can also - There is another video that explains fairly well the vatican and america working together, not so much the christian folks within it, who is god's superpower, but the evil in high places working together with the pope, this makes a lot more sense.

  • Pastor Murray, you have a good teaching debunking the rapture, but I gotta say that's about it, (which is quite a bit) but sir, you gotta read up on the Fed, the UN, etc...htis notion that the USA is some "Christian" superpower-you might as well ask "who would Jesus bomb?" The US had (has) dual functions, first of all, yes, she was a Christian nation for a set period of time, that time has now ended (1260) now she takes on her final role as Babylon the Great, come on bro.

  • you're not understanding where he's coming from with this. he's not for wars or bombings and completely aware of the evil in high places in this country and in the vati can also. The thing is we have religious freedom here, and I'm sure you get the point. he actually can teach you a whole lot more if you listen to more than the rapture, etc.

  • This must be Conspiracy Theory Central.

    Just for the record, the "deadly wound" reference concerned the Roman empire --and Nero in particular.

    The kicker is this: whomever the cap of Egypt/Philistia/Babylon/Tire/R­ome fits must wear it -- by any name, in any time or place.

    That brings a decidedly different outlook to John from Wisconsin's question.

  • who's john from wisconsin.. I'm with you on the deadly wound !

  • Hey cyndrellian!

    "John from Wisconsin" is referenced at the beginning of the flick. The Reverend was reading mail; he here responds to a question posed by "John from Wisconsin."

    Put this down to my admittedly "off the wall" sense of humor.

    Blessings!

  • Rev17;9 America has no great city that sits on 7 hills but the vatican does.

  • I would say that the beast is comprised of those nations which permitted the central bank mechanism to be established in their land, the "woman clothed with the sun and moon under her feet etc.." saw this and fled to America to be protected for a FINITE number of days ...1260, then the serpent would come after her and gain a foothold in her land, therefore it is written "come out of her my people"

  • you haven't looked up alberto rivera, look on the jes uit infiltration videos on my page. he says come out of her, which is the evil church which has infiltrated other churches for hundreds possibly thousands of years and which hasn't ever been a christian political organization. as it's claimed, this is what he has stated, he was also killed over it, or "poisoned", whatever. america's not a city nor is it on seven hills.

  • Even Catholic apologist Karl Keating confirms that Rome was known as Babylon and cites I Peter 5:13.1 The Catholic Encyclopedia states, "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined."

  • the US is a country, not a city. It might justifiably be referred to as Sodom, considering the honor now given to homosexuals, but it is not "Mystery Babylon." She is declared to be a city. Nor is the woman ancient Babylon now being rebuilt in Iraq, for it is not built on seven hills. only Rome meets all the criteria, including being known as Babylon.

  • Babylon was the first empire where King Nebuchaddnezzar (sp) exalted himself above all gods and set up an image of gold to be worshipped at the sound of the musicians etc...I'm not a Roman catholic, but I just can't see the correlation between a church organization and a global empire.

  • look up capernicas capernican and salem "witch" trials which were christian trials to convert to cath.'sm and jes uit infiltration this is not just a church!

  • REVtalk1-No he is not. Babylon is Babel rebuilt. Nimrod was over Babel and yes God destroyed the tower but Babel did not go away and neither did Nimrod. His wife and him became as gods to the people and you still see them today and do not realize it. They are the "mother and child" He names include Madonna and Queen of Heaven-the same as Mary's and the child is Nimrod (who rises from the dead)also know as Osiris and Semiramis in Egypt. This is one reason why the RCC is called Babylon.

  • also is the illuminati which is controlled by the vatican that writes many songs for artists today, according to john todd, look at madonna, completely controlled, some of her concerts look as though she's possessed, i hate to say it because i used to like her. she's deeply involved in the occult and kabbalah and hangs herself on a cross during her shows

  • Another excellent example is Beyonce. If you haven't looked in my playlists, look for 'demon possession and Beyonce' You will find an excellent break down of her video "crazy in love" with her Illuminati boyfriend Jayz

  • i've seen the little secret handshakes with jay z, etc i will look on your page then

  • didn't see it in your page, but i looked it up, that was really freaky

  • Nimrod was cut in pieces, Nebuchadnezzar was the golden head in his vision ie the first empire PER DANIEL (NOT ME) DANIEL SAID IT.

  • what does either one of those have to do with what I said? What point are you trying to make about Nimrod being cut up?

  • I think it's called "mystery babylon" which basically means "secret" as implied through religious rites, which basically has masonic implications, now if there are connections between the masonic and roman catholics, look at the symbolism on the back of the $1 dollar bill-lots of clues there.

  • interesting! mystery=secret!  Great observation. oh i've seen them a lot of times. the all seeing eyes in the cath churches all the time, and other symbols the same as in freemasonry the priests using a skull in a mass, etc. - but hey i dont hate the cath church i love all the practices, just as any christian should, right? or not. i just don't appreciate someone telling me i hate the cath church! not you! revtalk not you!

  • Revtalk1-No Mystery Babylon is referring to Mystery Religion. That is what the RCC and the old Babylon religion is. The RCC is very open in the "style" of their religion BUT a few that know the Babylon religion will tell you it is identical in EVERY way. It is taken from the old "Mystery Religions" of Babylon and Egypt. Do some research on them and you will see your self

  • Rev 18:24 states "In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth"

    Did the catholics kill the prophets? No Did the rc's kill some saints? Probably.

    Did the Rc's drop the bomb on Hiroshima? no

    In Rev 18:18-19 all the sea captains throw dust on their heads at the destruction of babylon because they became wealthy from trade with her...how is this describing the rc church?

  • the salem witch trials i've found from several sources leading to the fact those were not witches they were christians as well, probably more times than just that. Not directly, no, with Hiroshima you'd have to look up the chart of what she reigns over. Includes the world bank, the who, world council of religions, etc. Again, it's kind of back to "mystery", secret. There are also so called secret societies, as well. Funny JFK made a speech about sec. soc's b4 his assassination,

  • you will also find in some of the vids on my page how they actually train to assas in 8. It's absolutely crazy. It all stems from the same place. With each and every witness and person in the interviews, etc.

  • I don't want to mix catholics with jes uits, how are you sure that they didn't kill the prophets? Which prophets might you be referring to in the posting though

  • have you looked up project bluebeam

  • "Hitler's Pope (by John Cornwell) Pt.1 " - youtube this. Also, look up the horrifying photos of the hol o caust and see the look on those sad jews' faces as they had to dig their own graves, etc. knowing they were going to be killed and/or seperated from family, etc. Don't think God was too pleased with this church that's for sure. The only two churches he found no fault with was philadelphia and smyrna.

  • cyndrellian, that wasn't the only time the RCC wiped out Jews. Did you know during the Black Plague the RCC wiped out several Jewish cities because they blamed the Black Plague on the Jews but it originated in China. It had NOTHING to do with Jews. That was the first time they were involved in a Jewish Holocaust.

  • oh wow, I am not the least bit surprised. That's the same mentality with each "holocaust" kill the jews, kill god's people and blame it on something from somewhere else or possibly even their own creation, black plague. As with the swine flu vax. My daughter's friend is running a 104 temp right now after getting the vax.

  • you will learn even europe is part of this as well and the king/queen, etc. also their coat of arms also is the feet of a bear body of a leopard head of a lion, etc. etc. When it says come out of her, where do you see America arrayed in purple and red? 1. To set out for display or use; place in an orderly arrangement: arrayed the whole regiment on the parade ground.

    2. To dress in finery; adorn.

  • Has anyone noticed that Tony Blair has become a catholic, Bush Jr. has become a catholic recently, 9 of the 12 presidents in the european union are confirmed catholics. dark ages, crusades, inquisitions...take a look at this "when confronted with heresy, she (the catholic church) does not content herself with persuasion, arguments of an intellectual or moral order..she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment and to torture catholic inst. of paris

  • yes you're right meathead, but it doens't fit the description, it's also MYSTERY babylon. mystery babylon has to reign over the kings of the earth, you gotta look deeper into it, see the videos on my page, 1984 rare videos

  • Indeed, I believe the whore of babylon is the catholic church. No disrespect intended towards my american brothers and sisters in the last post. The satanists have simply taken advantage of trust, innocence and the goodness in people's hearts.

  • Right, and when it says come out of her my people, God is wanting his people out of "her"! So it's obviously his people, I have no hate for the cath church, because there are God's people within it, but they are confused and are being deceived, the old convents shut down in mexico should serve as example

  • Also, Meathead, what you said also can probably be summed up as "Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

  • America is the military power for the elites to advance their evil upon the world. Anyone who doubts this better understand why the capitol is in the district of Columbia. The brave american service people are a bunch of suckers fighting for the satanists. Although most of the people in America are Christian, the nation itself is heavily immersed in the occult.

  • i also completely agree with you and if I hadn't have done more research I'd believe that as well....I believed that long before the research I did later.

  • DC and also the vatican city are both sovereign states, check into the both of it, you are right about how they are using it to advance this. but there's more out there than our little country here.

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