Of course the heartbeats are scary. That's probably the idea. The video is old pagan anti-pop propaganda, trying to sell people on rebellion against God, turning away from faith of accepting however many children God gives, and selling people on NWO depop agenda of damaging their bodies with shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons.
Heartbeats imply world pop is "exploding" "out of control." What a perversion! Heartbeat is a good thing, otherwise your dead?
I'm quite sure God has some purpose in allowing so many people to come alive. It's for the good, not for the bad. It's long past time to tell the truth about the great progress in the human race expanding its numbers. It's necessary to do so, so that you, your friends, your relatives, your parents even, can have their children.
Seems like ever since we see earth-rise photo from the moon, enviro-pagans worship nature, steal our rights. But the moonlanding was TV - faked?
I find so many people seem to be scared of learning "conspiracy theories." But you can learn so much by studying conspiracy theories. You eventually find, like the Bible says, that God is true, and man is a LIAR. Man easily succumbs to the lies of the great deceiver, the devil. We live in a world of layers upon layers of deception. You think you found out something, and that's a lie too? Most of the Church is apostate. The Pope was thought to be the Anti-Christ.
Sorry, I see I misspelled "you're." Spellcheck doesn't catch grammar errors, or uses of the wrong word.
I see world pop growth, like the baby growing in the womb. The growth is to-be-expected, and lack of growth, would be a serious cause of concern for the baby.
We are soon headed for "birth" into some far better era. Pagans tell us that this world is all there is, but that's an outright LIE. Bible tells us different, and even sci-fi claims man will expand beyond earth
it is still growing, population growth is inevitable, it is going to happen, actually it has been controlled, 50 milllion abortions every year, globally and widespread use of birth control probably has prevented another hundred million babies from being conceived, so
technically man has been able to control the population growth, so why all the b/s
about population growth, how much more slower growth do they want!!
@limoboss6242 - you are completely incorrect, for the population to get from 1 to 2 billion it took approx 130 years. from 2 billion to our current population (5 billion more people) it took less than 100 years. I wish i could be polite, but you're wrong. sorry, try again.
@Bevelan How am I wrong? With population increasing at 85 million per year, another billion will be here in 12 years, if 50 million abortions didn't happen there would be another 600 million in 12 years and I'm sure birth control prevents 400 million in
12 years easy, so where I am I wrong, easy to add 2 billion in 12 years!!
Independent of the "overpop" concern, isn't abortion still wrong?
I notice that the pro-life message does absolutely nothing to keep surging world pop growth "in check," but might actually help accelerate pop growth? That's a reason I'm also an advocate for pop growth, as somebody has to explain why more pop is BETTER for all.
People who are persuaded that abortion is wrong, are more likely to also reject use of birth control, so 2 billion in 12 years, may happen.
I don't agree with abortion to keep human pop "in check," as murdering the poor is WRONG.
I suspect 1-child tyranny wasn't China's idea, but Western contraceptive imperialists leaning on China to get a handle on pop growth. If world's most populous country can't "control" pop, what does that portend for the entire planet? But I have long advocated a denser world, as it answers the question, how do we still enjoy God-given right to have children, in world of so many?
Long ago, when studying about the supposed "overpop" issue, I felt like God was speaking to me to do something about the lies, because they are trying to take away my rights to have children, and devalue human life, neither of which can be good. I have long thought that the rise in world pop, was a very good thing, as think of all those people benefiting, and all the more people who might choose to worship God.
Adding "not aborted" babies, to pop, doesn't quite work
Math problems with adding "not aborted" babies to pop, are several. Not only is abortion said to be a contributor to breast cancer, but it empties the womb months before it should have naturally become empty due to childbirth. So sometimes the next pregnancy may occur in less than 9 months? Or fertility could be permanently damaged, so the aborted baby might be the only baby the woman ever has!
So do we add in, less, or MORE? Pro-lifers tend to reject birth control.
@LuiKang043 Modern Medicine has also brought inhumane methods of birth control,
thus controlling the population as it is, so why are we being told to reduce our population when birth control is used rampantly around the globe, our population is
already controlled by millions of abortions and millions of blocked and killed sperm
every year, it is amazing that the population increses at all with so much going against
to prevent any growth. God bless the eggs that manage to get fertilized!!
@limoboss6242 lol I was only attempting to troll successfully; but wait, didn't it empower women by giving them the right to choose whether or not to have children, which in itself helps them to grow through education? There are recent studies which give evidence to the correlation between women getting married and having less children when they have access to good education. I suppose that is better than encouraging meaningless sex!
i think there should allready be a one child policy everywhere,atleast until we learn new ways of doing everything and not destroy the planet,because there is no point in speeding up the process with more people doing the same stuff that we do that leads to more pollution and drain the recources faster than ever.And there is plenty of room for more people but not plenty of food or water for them,so we really dont need more now.
This got me thinking. If the numbers of humans are going up year after year, and there's only so many resources we have to supply, won't we eventually not have enough for everyone to survive because there will be too many of us? Are we going to turn into monsters and start killing eachother to control it? Will abortions and one-child only policies be happening in every single place one earth? If we don't cooperate with having 1 or 2 kids and have more, will those we get jailed or killed? o_o
@Pegashy123 Our numbers keep going up because we are destined to procreate
and fill the earth with humanity, our destiny will be determined by GOD! however he sees fit! So not to worry about ever increasing population, let it happen!!
@limoboss6242 No offence, I respect your opinion and beliefs whole-heartily, but I was sort of expecting a more logical/reasonable answer. I'm not an atheist though. I have some faith that there is a God or someone out there, I just want to know what we as people are going to do about it cuz were already running out of stuff for everyone.
The natural expansion of the human race, isn't a failing, but rather, a potent measure of success or progress, that more and more people can now experience life.
If the number of people keeps growing, it doesn't mean Malthusian gloom-and-doom at all. It merely means a denser, more human-rich world. How can people keep on having their darling precious babies in a world of so many people alive already? Isn't it obvious? Let the world grow denser and denser, so that we fit
Countries like India, which have more people than acres of land, should be congratulated for having let their pops grow so dense, as they are doing their part to help the planet hold lots more people. However, the poverty and gov corruption, is a shame to be repented of.
Pop didn't grow so much due to resource shortage, but perhaps due to "overpop" theory we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in animal kingdom. God provides for us to multiply.
So what will happen if the government decides to "help" the "problem"? Will those who resist be killed, their children killed, or will mothers be dragged off to abortion "clinics" like in China. If there is a morally exceptable way to solve this, I'd love to hear. Although I do think that just cutting resource consumption period will allow much more people to live on the Earth.
@GremlinsAndGnomes threes lots of resources and potential for a trillion humans we just need to start working on that direction. our vanity, indulgent desires and selfish individual behavior is stopping us to reach the next level of happiness. we are more busy building new weapons and fancies garbage. our ways are old ways and human fauna will start to pay the price.
its to late for change,should have caught the problem a long time ago and tried to fix it then.we are all fucked now and if not us it will be our children who suffer in an overpopulated,polluted cesspool. we are a plague to the planet,eating at it like cancer,sucking it dry of water and all forms of life.the planet will die before we have a chance to escape what we created.the only thing that might help is a epidemic plague that kills over half the population,then we can start destroying again
@firedup420 NO, we need solutions.., not pessimist , disease and plague in order to destroy the greatest nature creation, we need a new vision, and we need to fight for her.
CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR (3-25-04): Most popular causes as to the 12,000 or so environmental organizations in 2003 here is a ranking of their objectives from most to least common as per Robert Brulle, IRS: Preservation of resources: 63.4% - Other conservation activities: 15.2% - Combating pollution: 5.6% - Wildlife sanctuary or refuge: 3.8% - Land acquisition for preservation: 3.5% - Preservation of scenic beauty: 3.2% Ecology: 2.9% Soil or water conservation: 2.0% POPULATION CONTROL: 0.3%?!
The whole world needs a population law like china has. Once you have 1 kid they neuter your dumbass and that's it. That's what the whole world needs. Every 2 people only making 1.
We need a nuclear holocaust, or some hard pipe hittin' Progressive leaders to step up and ration the food supply, unleash some viruses, move the population to human settlement zones and sterilize them. The population is getting out of hand and polar bears are drowning. Obama, and the UN aren't doing enough - we need a reset.
@jag10 no, just have a massive sterilization campaign for low IQ people, which basically means a recolonization of africa - Abos of oz would become extinct, or very nearly so as their IQ is below 70 on average... east asians would survive the best as a major racial group and jews more than anyone... So lets GETRDONE and avoid IDIOCRACY... Upon reaching 12 if u don't have a good enough IQ, SNIP SNIP CUT CUT NO BABY BABY - give them ice cream and video games after surgery...
I agree with you, but IQ isn't enough. I like the positions of the Gates, Rockefeller, and Ford foundations...a consorted effort including de-industrialization, food rationing, and herding people into communal settlements to combat climate change.
Specific groups should be targeted first, but an overall culling to keep the population sustainable. Then all non-elite fetus' should be produced in scientific laboratories for service needs - and at age 50 should be recycled into mother Gaia
@jag10 Gates is a horrible nightmare dumping billions into africa, artificially keeping alive millions of blacks that should go the way of natural selection - i suspect he doesn't want to do it but does so due to his wife... my interpretation... Africa is PEARLS BEFORE SWINE, a waste of a continent on an inferior race. Well, your plan is certainly more comprehensive than mine! u remind me of LOGAN'S RUN... u didn't even get to live to 30 in that "utopia"...
You are wrong about Gates mate he's full go with sterilization, but those savages seem to grow on trees. And although he may not see it in his lifetime, his foundation continues to work on the Rockefeller and Ford vision of depopulation by creating a culture of dependency, essentially removing the ability of subsistence.
So it become very simple at a certain point to have reset, instead of sterilization stopgaps... just like Stalin did. It's just like flicking a switch mate.
@jag10 Bill: "In '93 Melinda and I took our first trip to Africa...
- during our visit, I saw that many of the world's life-saving, life-enhancing discoveries were not available in Africa...
I became convinced that if science and technology were better applied to the challenges of Africa, the tremendous potential of the continent would be unleashed and people could be healthier and fulfill their promise." from huffingtonpost:
@jag10 I'm perfectly right about Gates, i just LIKE to think he really doesn't mean it... it would be like arriving in america and catering to the native indians and trying to help them survive and flourish (in their teepees? - sorry, but i'm all for the manifest destiny of central air, industrial revolution, info age, space age and hopefully STAR TREK roddenberry style - so we can't cater to and baby inferiors, like the NAVI of AVATAR... stupid savages is correct, thats what they are
The population growth issue must be one of the most morally conflicting issues of them all. On one hand we all know for a fact that the population is growing rapidly and our Earth does in fact have a carrying capacity along with a limited number of recources but on the other hand we each come with a certain ethical value which makes us unable to bring ourselves to justify the killing of poeple to reduce to population since we don't want to undervalue anyone's life.
@lcabosa By that train of thought, Nature will also take out half the species we've endangered. We have to deal with this ourselves. We can't just pretend everything will fix itself. There's obligations to the planet and the rest of life on Earth. And as for ourselves, we need to think about our own, continued existence, and desperately need to rid ourselves of anthropocentrism and this supremist pride for our own species.
@vgman94 dangerous times, will we be the ones that fall, or the ones that raise to the next level. we need to change Urban and cultural paradigms, we need a new place to live and be happy, we need to tackle the real potential for life of our planet, nature best is coral reefs and tropical forests, in what benefits our urban superficie to other species? we need change fast, maybe a urban exosquelet city that support us and LIFE in a symbiotic relation, a urban oasis for all, yes is possible.
@glorp896 we are part of Nature,so what do we contribute for Nature ? garbage dump, and pollution? we need to change , old paradigms are obsolete, we need a new vision...
@glorp896 less people?? we need a critical mass of "dumb ones" , we need a trillion ones, it´s the same old idea, we are bridges, like trees are and All life is, we tap in resources and create new concentrations, but our heart and soul needs a equilibrium between nature ( here we come from ) and technology ( our best effort ) in order to enjoy healthy and superior happiness, our ingenuity could benefit us and Nature in order to expose the material and spiritual potential of the planet.
@lcabosa yes, LESS PEOPLE FOR A BETTER PLANET... critical mass of dumb ones? i did many CRITICAL MASS bike rides, i understand the atomic energy aspect of it as well as population explosion aspect of it but you aren't giving me some GOD WANTS YOU TO BE RICH lecture are you? via PAUL ZANE PILZER?
@glorp896 our problem is: resources, energy and recycling, for the past year i´m obsessed with a vision of a city build at the ocean surface's that delivers water, air conditioning, energy and space for us ( urbanization) and for other species ( a coral oasis) , it uses updraft tower together with otec in order to create a thermal engine, complementary is the key for all work in sincronization, it reminds me a lot the old city of Atlantis, Plato city , with the circles , coincidence?
@glorp896 we need to change urban Environment in order to change behavior, if we use the same "old" way of building places to live we will never change social and political behavior of individuals, pessimism and nihilism is for the ones that reached a limit , we need to be the ones that begun to build the future of civilization, Platonic not was a ideal dream but as a especial human en devour here human "ART" meets Nature ability to grow wherever a support is created, lets break the limits.
@glorp896 saw the video - "Doug Stanhope - Sodomy is "Eco-Friendly" - didn't like it, hate the kind of "humor", we need real leaders and not "dumb ones", in the past there was a name "sophist" for that kind of argumentative individual , nowadays we have this lite way of argumentation ,as if being somewhat humorous is a equivalent of intelligent thinking , or creative capacity, we need the ones that created the pyramids or the great cathedrals, we need the real deal.
@glorp896 txs for the discussion, it was a way to clarify some ideas... beware of pessimistic ideas , always look for the bright light that nature so magnanimous offered to us. Enjoy
Go on. Keep having 10 kids when you live below the poverty line, keep on living an impossible and unsustainable life. Youre not helping yourselves. Sometime in the near future a massive plague is going to hit the poorest and most densely populated regions on the earth and millions will die. Just the planet's way of getting rid of a disease. The more our governments try to turn their backs on the population growth problem, the worser it will become. To be honest, humans need to be taught a lesson
there is enough room AND resources on the Earth for everyone, but neither the poeple themselves nor the resources are evenly distributed throughout the earth, which is where our problem lies
Well you can pretty much thank fossil fuels and agriculture for population growth,why, because you need coal or oil to power machines to harvest the land to feed everyone. Well long story short, the more food we grow, the more humans are born period! Farming and fossil fuels are responsible for world population growth.
@Redrumx21 Actaully, technology is the main reason why we have population increase. More medicines amd less death by birth and less sickness etc, we can basically almost cure 80% of all viruses and bacteries. HIV is cureable, soon AIDS will be too and then there wont be anything left to kill us.
Main reasons why population growth was slow in the old days was two things, sickness and wars
@SMGJohn This is why we need to NOT artificially keep morons alive but rather sterilize them. the non natural death rate (war) for hunter gather tribal types (mainly negros) is five times worse than for white europe in the 20th century DESPITE two world wars!... 3% compared to 15%... as per FREAKONOMICS - Steve Leavitt --- so this is DESPITE high tech methods of killing and greater population density in europe...
@Redrumx21 bold statement. Although not inaccurate, very close minded.. How about... advancements in health care (less deaths).. we also don't have natural predators that have the ability to threaten or population like every other species does... according to your statement, to solve our population expansion we should stop producing food? i don't see the validity to your argument
@Casshyr - space is not the issue.. the entire population of the earth could fit into california standing shoulder to shoulder... distribution is the problem. We just choose to all live so close together.
@Bevelan Yes but that part is unavoidable. Majority of the world is simply not overly hospitable to mankind, this is due to harshness of nature, outside of human control. Ex: who wants to live in Sahara desert? Or in freezing icelands near the north or south? Or even near the equator where temperature and humidity is so hot diseases like malaria just spread like fire? We can't control any of these (at least with current technology), so we just have to make due with the space we have.
But without evil NWO criminal elites ruining the world, we could better fight malaria, with DDT, window screens, clearing some overgrown jungle and swamps, whatever better works to better growing human pops.
People CAN live in Sahara or other deserts. Israel has proven that barren desert wastelands can be reclaimed and made productive, for providing space for ever more people.
I agree that some areas of land are better than others, a reason to grow denser and not just spread
@pronatalist it is part of human nature to want the best of everything. Why would i want to live in Israel, when there are cities like Vancouver? Sure, i can survive in Middle East, but why do i want to surround myself with nothing but sand? The good places on Earth are limited, and everybody wants to live near comfortable regions. You can't force people to move...only way is to simply decrease population so we can all fit in the good regions.
Well I might love to live in Israel, and "uncrowded" places are nearly the least of my concerns. I want to live in a country that is moving forwards, and that protects and respects its people, and that doesn't appear to be America anymore.
What's wrong with sand? At least you don't have to mow, sand.
Why force people to move? If people want to live and procreate in the "crowded" places of the world, let them. It's their right.
@pronatalist Why don't you set the example and move then? You think moving is easy? And have you ever been to China? It's a perfect example of how everybody wants to live in the city yet there are only that many cities to accommodate, and what you have is fierce job competition. Same with India. Ever been there?
Do you really want me to move? I've been trying to figure out how, for the last few years. I'd like to be out of here, before tyrant Obummer is re-elected and my country goes down the drain. Do you want me to move, with no base? I'm trying to make some friends in the area, figure out how to come visit, get my Residency, and move, as I'm tired of America's crap.
Why China or India? Too little freedom, too much false religion, too much gov corruption.
@pronatalist I didn't say move to China or India, I'm saying have you ever been there. You obviously haven't, otherwise you would have said so already. Try going there before making claims that we can reproduce as many as we want..alright?
And yes, I'm telling you to move out of America, since you said you have no problem to do so. Set the example for what you so heroically claimed earlier. You think moving is easy? You think every1 can move? Either show it, or retract it.
We can reproduce as many children as God allows us to have. Even in China. Crowding is not caused by "huge" numbers, but by poverty and corrupt gov.
Did you have any idea the number of EMPTY apartment units China has built? What are they saving them for? Some undisclosed conspiracy theory? You don't have to look far, to see how govs mismanage and waste resources, making poverty worse. Believing the lies to have fewer children, plays into the hands of the evil NWO statists.
So what if I sound like a "conspiracy theorist?" I can be for Ron Paul, and morons who fear the truth, might call me a "Paul-bot." They try to trick us into statist control and conformity, by ridicule and calling us names. But the truth is what it is.
And why do you think I will drop you a line? Will I even remember you? You critics are "a dime a dozen," and I always have some fans. I might say something, I might still post around here, or I might be busy doing other things?
I'm not going to leave America, to prove a point to you, for the cost to me is too high. When, or if, I leave, will be due to, my own reasons. Whether or not I think I can find a better life elsewhere, or not. According to God's leading.
You can be ignorant or stupid if you want, but who will you have to blame but yourself? There is an undercurrent of people leaving America. Even commodities trader (American) Jim Rogers, has moved to Singapore, and says the future is in Asia.
Did I say everybody can move? If only it was so easy. Many people are too scared to see what's out there, they don't want to leave family and friends behind, they don't have the money, or have too many questions about where to go and how to get Residency.
Why do you think I have been so harping, on the need to let countries, and the entire world, grow denser? Because many people either won't, or can't seem to move all that far away, due to political or economic realities.
China should fill their empty cities, encourage big families, and build more cities to hold more people, as the cities overflow.
I've been to South Korea, and didn't even know they are 4 times as dense as China, twice that of India, until I looked it up later in an almanac. Didn't seem "crowded" at all
Crowding is caused, not by "huge" numbers, but by poverty and corrupt gov. Buses would be less crowded, if gov allowed competing buses to charge a bit more for uncrowded buses
@pronatalist lmao now you sound just like a conspiracist, blaming the government. I should have sensed it when you called Obama a Obummer. Good-bye. Drop me a line when you get out of America, if you hate it so much. Seriously, do move. Prove your point. I challenge you to.
People should not be expected to directly pollute their bodies with Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs. Parents have PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH reasons, to have more than 2 children. I agree very much with natural, "uncontrolled" childbirth, letting babies come out freely, without use of any means of birth control, welcoming "all the children God gives." A fast=growing world pop is wonderful, for it allows far more people to experience life.
Why do you think you have the right to live in "the best places?" Says who? You have the right to live and to procreate. But if the best places are already taken, and you can't afford to buy a place there, and you don't know anybody there anyway, why can't you find some other place to live and raise a family?
As pop grows, people should be creating more great places to live. But most "best places" are populated places, for few want to live "in middle of nowhere," so pop helps
Interesting how when in the 1950s America changed the tradittional Billion number from a million million to a thousand million. Im not sure but Im thinking thats where the population myth comes from. I mean the black death & loads of wars its doesnt make sense. The true figure of the population is actually less than three quarters of a billion on earth oops shud i have said that.lol
THE SKY IS FALLING. We have to cut back people, there's only like a whole universe of raw materials out there! Its not like these overpopulated countries have there own space programs...oh wait. THEY DO! hooray. we have enough raw materials to last beyond the existence of man itself.
Check out this project called Freight Farms on kick starter, it tackles food supply in relation to population growth and food deserts. Creates local food economies where people need it the most and its sustainable. Definitely a project that can make a major change, help get the first one built.
So globle revulation will erupte into human civlization that grew into such an number, that's difficult to split the already dimnish resources that only a few of us will be able to afford for its five time as expensive as it used to be.The rent, and properties prices will be jacke up for poor people to pay on time with out skipping the bills just to buy some food them to eat. This is ugly fate for us to endure, and will happen whtine couple of years if people dont put their act together.
I have to admit the human race is very much the same as fire ants for their good at multiplying in numbers, and consuming natural resources in their region to such an extent that it's difficult for it to recover its losses.However if the humans triple by the year of 2050 that will spell out disaster for their wont be enougth of anyhting to distribute to the communites, let alone giving them easy access to gettting their hands on it in the first place.
Damn man I don't care that much, just thought the vid was interesting. Get a life, whew I must have been really bored when I posted that, I knew I'd regret that quick, don't know what I was thinking.
I'm responding once again to SpecialEd(whatever his name was. If you put 3 people in a 3000 square ft home,(this is figuring a 2000 sq foot house with the remainder in yard. (which could be used for gardening, by the way) and a 2000sqft home is big enough for 2 bdrms with ease, you could place the intire world population inside the dimensions of the state of Texas. this is figuring 7billion people which is actually a little more than the total population. The world is not over populated.
Please don't put me in the same house with any of the pathetic, ungrateful, population whiners. No matter how big the house, wouldn't it seem "crowded," having to live with such people, not grateful for being alive?
Of course the world is "overpop," in some sense that doesn't make any sense at all. If any of the ungrateful NWO criminal elitists, who concoct such evil anti-people propaganda, is inconvenienced in the slightest, their view obstructed, then they whine and tell lies?
Interesting vid, too bad nothing but idiots comment on it though. I mean wow, wtf? I'm afraid I probably opened myself up to get attacked by weirdos, deep breath lol. Pretty cool vid though.
What are you afraid of? You sound like it's your first comment ever posted on the internet?
You do know that vgman94 is the weirdo around here? I'm normal. I defend the natural spread of life throughout the world, that this video seems excessively worried about.
Of course, there's probably more weirdos around here, but probably most of them are harmless. There could be "lurkers," people who read but rarely post anything. Then there's weirdos who haven't even found this video yet.
Seppo: Afraid of what? Some nut who's been fighting for years and years against the same people and always reusing the same stupid argument and religiously dogmatic sentences? Hell, I have similarities to you, but I change it up now and then. "Weirdos" are rare, and eccentrics like me, glorp and Axeholme are the better types of the world. However you can't call yourself normal. No-one fights for population growth for the reasons you do. Anyone who'd speak to you would think you're insane.
So what have you "changed it up now and then?" Sounds to me like you are still playing the same old pathetic, "Isn't it terrible that so many people get to live" broken record.
So what reasons then did author Julian Simon advocate for pop growth? Or did he not care, he just was willing to tell the truth that there's really not much to keep human pops from growing as people like?
Everyone who speaks to me thinks I'm insane? So why does another forum report I got a bunch of thumbs ups?
Why do you think that nothing but idiots comment on the "overpop" videos? What did you expect? People would watch the videos, and think, "Nice video, but I don't care?" Or, "Nice video, but it doesn't concern me, and probably has no relevance to me having my 7 children?" Did you expect people should not passionately discuss such as serious subject, as to whether the planet may or may not, be about to naturally "overflow" with people? Of course there would be the pro- and con- sides?
COMMENT SAFETY NOTICE: Being an avid commenter here, I must inform anyone and everyone who reads this that this user, pronatalist, has been proven to be medically insane. Ignore his posts as much as you can to keep the peace. He is not a valid person to speak to on nearly any matter.
I've checked many sources all generally come to this same figure:
At 2009 rates of oil demand (84 mb/d), 1,354 billion barrels is enough for a little over 44 years.
Gas prices are based on supply and demand, it's simple economics: Price increases generally occur when the world crude-oil market tightens and lowers inventories.
Although the middle eastern countries may lie about supplies so it's hard to say if either of the above are absolutely true, but they're the closest I've found.
We've started using compressed natural gas, to power vehicles. I don't know enough yet, to know how practical that might be, as a bigger fuel tank with less range, would not be ideal. But natural gas is said to be very abundant, and burns very cleanly.
44 years is a long time to explore some substitutes, if true improvements are priority?
I reject "running out" propaganda, but world pop is now so "huge," I think we should be developing ALL economically viable methods/alternatives.
It's not so much that people are having so many babies, but rather, the "huge" numbers are already here. One reason I say, like so many conservatives, "Drill Baby, Drill," is because people in China and India are getting cars. Or is our plan, we will trade China our cars, and we will ride their bicycles?
High oil prices are not caused by any real shortage, but by Obama's anti-drilling moratorium, and NWO criminal elitist manipulation of the markets.
I agree very much with "unchecked" human birthrate, because so many people don't believe in using the "artificial" methods. Well I agree, too many bad side effects, not to mention the expense of shoddy and unnatural and awkward Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons. They are contrary to nature. Oh, but the "natural" methods such as rhythm and early withdrawal, require too much will-power? I also agree, so that leaves the virtues of having naturally big families, to talk about
In a world of so many people, and so many great reasons to have children, and so many people with naturally "uncontrolled" birthrate, something has to give, right? Well that something, is the ridiculously low pop densities of the past. The modern world is denser, and we should expect global density to go right on rising.
Mad scientists do bizarre "overpop" experiments on animals, giving them "unlimited" food, because they know people solve problems, and appear to not want solutions
What's the answer? People with much education, seem to despise simple answers, not worthy of their much education. The answer is in the old children's song, "He's [God] got the whole world in his hands."
Why blame the babies for what we would all seem to be "guilty" of, being so numerous? Bible says God promised Abraham so many "uncountable" descendants. How does the Duggars 20th baby, add any more to world pop, than my continued existence?
Projections of how long the oil will last, are wildly speculative, and don't mean much of anything. Because technology changes, and unlocks ever more, that may not have been known or economically viable to drill before.
People with anti-drilling bumper stickers are hypocrites. Where do they think their gasoline comes from?
The cars in movie iRobot, don't use gasoline. But they didn't say, what they do use. Flying cars on The Jetsons run on "power pellets," code for nuclear power?
@pronatalist Also I don't deny the possibility of technology and new means of gathering energy will extend this period of time (potentially indefinitely), but simply assuming that these issues will work themselves out doesn't seem like a valid solution to me.
@pronatalist You make some valid points here or there, but you're missing a few major facts. We get our food from industrial farms, these rely on our supply of oil, which is projected to run out in about 50 yrs. Previous to growing crops with petroleum based fertilizers and harvesting and transporting them with machines our rate of population growth wasn't what it is today. Nature will balance this with a leveling of the birth/death rate. But don't worry it's your grand children's problem.
Oil is not so limited as they would have us believe, and I just heard talk yet again on the radio, about how we could have $1.50/gallon gasoline again, if the evil politicians, tyrant Obama, would just lift the moratorium on our own oil drilling, as we need the jobs. Quite many of the common people get it, we should drill and have the jobs. But evil politicians don't care, as they have their evil globalist agenda deluding them.
Nature won't "balance us," we could even grow crowded?
The more people there are who come alive, the more people there are to enjoy life. This is practical reason to welcome human pops everywhere to grow natural and even let human pops grow more and more "wild."
"Ideal" pop would be "nearly as large as possible," so as to have the most benefit for the most people. People should be encouraged to marry younger and just let babies push out without ever any means of birth control.
Without evil gov, people would solve problems "too well?"
Letting people work out their own problems and solutions, leads to the most creative and efficient solutions.
Some Prime Minister of The Philippines, said the growing pop was okay, for the world is growing too. Actually that is a very wise observation. In the past, letting the pop of their island nation grow to 100 million or more, might have been risky, but as the world is also growing, it drives us to figure out how to best support such dense pops and go right on growing freely.
Our grandchildren would enjoy having grown more numerous than ever. They would not want to have "never existed," so that the pop could be "smaller" like back in the past.
In recent times, it's not that family size has gotten any larger than it was historically, but rather, there's just so many more fertile birth canals from which babies can emerge, and they are getting closer together. The numbers of women of childbearing age has grown.
Nature has no desire to "level" or "balance" the birth/death rate. Births are natural, while death is a failure of life. There was no death in the world, before "Original Sin." And death is defeated, according to the Bible, by the end, when what was lost, is finally restored
Nature spreads life, into most every niche possible. Currently, 3 human births per 1 death. Without birth control, deaths would not rise, other than from more people of old age. Ratio would go even more extreme
I consider people to be a great asset, especially when more inspired to be more creative by better, more freedom for individuals, government policy. So if we fail to get a "handle" upon naturally-burgeoning world population growth, I believe it will help us have even more abundant energy, if world population soars to 15 billion or more, than if we grow by just a few paltry billions more.
Oil will not run out in 50 years. Didn't you see iRobot movie? Cars don't use gasoline anymore.
You are both partially right, yet still wrong, in your conclusions.
Yes, it would be a bit unwise to trust in technology to solve all our problems. But I must also caution, there's no assurance that any effort to hinder the natural pop expanse of humanity, would do any good for people either
Our grandchildren would want, even deserve a "crowded" world. For they would be glad to exist in such huge numbers, would ADAPT. If we care about them, we should welcome them to be freely born
"World pop is barely large enough for you and I to have been born," somebody said.
There's a practical reason why to let human pops soar and naturally grow "out of control." "Too many" people benefit from the natural increase, for we humans to have any incentive to "control" our fertility. God commanded people multiply, so that makes it God's responsibility then, not ours, to determine just how populous we may ultimately become.
If we don't control our numbers, NEITHER WILL NATURE
@pronatalist "If we don't control our numbers, NEITHER WILL NATURE"
Hunger can be a very effective way for nature to control our population if it grows above 15 billion.
Population is not a problem on itself, but unless we find a way to spread our population into other planets or solve our population problems using technology we will eventually destroy ourselves.
Even if we cover the world in techno-solutions for our uncontrolled growth, I don't really want Earth turning into Coruscant ...
Hunger can be a very effective motivator, to DO WORK. Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat. Think of all the problems that would solve, if we tried to follow that? Used to be, that immigrants, people who want a better life than in their country, would do the jobs that Americans don't want. Some states have clamped down on "undocumented" immigration, and now crops rot in the field? Americans don't want to work, due to runaway taxation,and unemployment compensation
@pronatalist ... Bible says ... oh man ... ok, how can I say it ... as we are now till we get to 15 billion humans, we can work things out if we leave meaningless political/ideological diferences from stopping us from working together as a species ... but if we keep on this rate we will run out of space, our problems now are caused by wasting our resources, a behavior problem, if we multiply too much it'll eventually turn into a physical problem, the Earth won't grow to acomodate and feed us.
We are okay for the foreseeable future, for the world is nowhere near "full" of people. I notice most homes are inefficiently spread out, not designed for space-efficiency, like a Recreational Vehicle (RV or camper). A measure that we have lots of underutilized space all around.
As a pro-lifer, I believe the natural spread of human life should be unrestrained, people were never designed to use any means of birth control.
Earth won't grow, that's why to let density rise naturally.
Too much city, too little nature? Well did you think there would be no consequences from pop naturally growing so much? Nobody is to blame, if someday the world becomes so super-populated. Parents of large families aren't to blame, babies aren't to blame. It's the nature of human life to spread. It's your own fault, for not being able to figure out how to be born to an earlier, less "crowded" time, or your fault for whining about "what must be."
Seems to me, the evidence suggests that the pop control freaks, are afraid humans are solving too many problems, such that we might just "explode" uncontrollably surpassing 15 billion, due to "unlimited" food not being a "check" upon our pop size. As they are not content to merely "let" things run out, but actively conspire to manufacture bogus shortages.
Spreading to other worlds, is a costly distraction right now, so leave that TO THE MOVIES.
Do you really think that the citizens of Coruscant, think that it is too much city and too little nature? No, I suspect many are proud of their huge and sparkling and gleaming city. They would think it's just normal, to have so much big city, for they are well used to it, perhaps living there all their life, not realizing how much smaller in the past, it might have been?
What is the alternative to having swollen pop growing "out of control?" Polluting our bodies with contraceptives?
@pronatalist "Do you really think that the citizens of Coruscant, think that it is too much city and too little nature? No, I suspect many are proud of their huge and sparkling and gleaming city. "
Coruscant could not sustain itself on it's own, it has to import goods and food from other planets. Another example of a city planet in fiction is Pierson's Puppeteer's home world, which has four farming planets to feed the population of four trillion
Coruscant is based upon, presumably, 1 writer's imagination, not upon reality. The future has MORE POSSIBILITIES, than generally 1 writer can imagine. Why doesn't Curuscant have Star Trek food replicators? Oh, that's right, it's Star Wars, not Star Trek. Wouldn't want to be accused of ripping off a Star Trek idea? Billions of minds, are more powerful than 1 mind. Takes only but 1 inventor, then everybody copies it. Planet dwellers, on Star Trek, also have food replicators.
Why did Star Trek invent food replicators? Or Warp Drive? Because they need to get to destinations, within the short time frame of the story, not centuries later. Also, devoting half the spaceship to "farms" would be "so in the way" of good storytelling. Or because pop of earth, eventually grew so dense, just wasn't enough room for farms, so they invented a way to more directly convert matter into food.
To say only farms can feed people, is like saying a computer must fill a room.
@pronatalist I thought the assassin I sent you would've finished you off by now. Jervis Tetch must've gotten the address wrong. >_< We shouldn't need to make food replicators to feed more people. There shouldn't be more people. There should be LESS people. Stop condemning souls to this hell covered in ice cream.
Please don't make jokes like that, that aren't even funny.
What do you mean, "this hell covered in ice cream?"
Surely you can tell that contraceptives are unnatural and contrary to nature. That's a very good reasons to have food replicators, if ever we can, so as to all the more encourage people to "outgrow" at least the farming capacity of the planet, and to convert former farmlands into vast residential cities, more and more lands needed, just for living space of so many.
@pronatalist And you think your examples (which are most likely lies) are better? When you stop making jokes or "examples" about some Church getting a sex ed video, then making some random ad hocing about "human seeds", then I'll stop making jokes. Humans have sex primarily for pleasure, not for having babies. Of course, your insanity won't let you see it. The covered in ice cream thing was basically saying that this is Hell, prettied up to make it seem like an alright world.
The name of the video was, "Safe for Life," which later turned into a pathetic condom commercial. Why do you not believe me? I archived a copy for myself, as I had 2 VCRs back then, however, now the 1 won't eject tapes - apparently needs to be taken apart and lubricated somehow, and the other has a problem in the audio. I don't recall if I labeled the VHS, so I may never find it since moving?
Humans have sex for pleasure only? Ha! You haven't heard we are now 7 Billion? TO PROCREATE.
@pronatalist If you don't think emotional torment has any significance to the quality of life, you are truly blind in every aspect of life. A condom commercial is a good thing. No, your insanity makes you ENJOY that people have more kids than they should. If you were one of the animals out in the wilderness being killed by human hunters or starving through loss of habitat, you'd understand why overpopulation is bad. If you were a child starving because your siblings eat the last food in the...
A condom commercial to kids in school, who likely aren't married yet? They should have no use for condoms. In fact, why have sex in a balloon?, that's like having a steak in a balloon, rather than steak, somebody said.
Like I said, I've been to the "safer sex" meeting, and the DIVIDE was striking. Parents wanted morality, while edu-crats say, "They're going to do it anyway, so let's make sure they do sin."
Who are you to say that parents ought not to enjoy having so many children?
Animals don't care about the growing human pop. They have short lifespan and can't even comprehend such things. Many animals, such as chickens and cows, have enjoyed tremendous growth of their numbers as well, so I see no clear negative net benefit to them, from the growing human pop.
If I was one of the animals, I'd probably still look fondly upon humans, for humans are curious creatures, and our dogs think we are something special. I even see wild birds watching us from power lines.
Seppo and Fridge are not my name. What do you mean "Fridge" anyway?
Hindering the natural flow of human life, is what is bad
So if I lived in the slums and had no electricity nor computer, then I would have more credibility with you, knowing something of suffering? But then, how would we be having this conversation?
Contraceptives aim to prevent actual human lives, of people who would have been very glad to live. Growing pains can be mitigated, without actually "controlling" numbers
Sounds like your education is way too secular. You should seek truth, not merely just "education." I am highly educated, and I do a lot of reading. Can't say I've seen a whole lot of the world though, other than seeing what I can through documentaries and YouTube. I just never seemed to have much of a travel budget.
I don't believe in contraceptive use, as they are shoddy and unnatural, and I believe human life should spread naturally unrestrained, so that far more people enjoy life.
@pronatalist Fridge was a continuation of the previous comment, you invalid tea bag. Religious "education" is a misleading and lying practice used to brainwash and mind control sall minds into sick and evil endeavors. The fact that you don't believe in contraceptives like men in the 1890s didn't believe in cars and preferred horses shows your stupidity outright. Human life is not Godly. It shouldn't spread unrestrained when it'll murder other species and torment it's own just to spread.
Yes, there's false religion out there, but the truth is also out there. You had better thank "religion" for the pop getting so "huge," and you and I thus coming to be born.
Shows how little you know. In the 1980s, a good horse WAS a far better investment for most normal people. A car was expensive, and you had to be a good MECHANIC to keep your car running. Cars weren't so easy to drive like they are now. There was no "power" steering and "power" brakes. Starting was by a hand CRANK?
@pronatalist THANKING the population for forcing me to be born?! Are you ins-never mind. We all know you're insane. Acting as if any type of logic exists in you is like believing the Earth is flat. When restraints are put on water, food and electricity usage due to population growth outgrowing resources, you'll see why there is NO reason why we should keep growing. God didn't design exponential growth. God didn't want us to grow forever, and God doesn't think like you do. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
Aha! I caught you in a Freudian slip-up, showing that you really do know something of how it is?
"When restraints are put on water, etc." So who is it that is putting on the restraints? Surely you didn't just refer to nature as a "person?" You admit to an evil NWO criminal elitist depop scheme right there. If nature did it, you couldn't use anthropomorphic terms to refer to that, but would have to say, "when it happens," or "when we hit the limits"
Are we even talking about the same God? I'm talking about the true God of Abraham, the true God who created the world. Who designed humans such that what populates the planet is extremely pleasurable? Who decided that humans should curiously enjoy being "in heat," able to reproduce year-round, unlike most animals confined to a limited breeding season?
Grow forever? Who said anything about "to grow forever?" I said, "for now." When we become "as the angels," I don't think we reproduce.
You don't even know what you are talking about, do you? What's the alternative to exponential growth? Have Adam and Eve still around, the only people ever having children, we'd live in a tiny little global village of a few 100s, that is, if people live long enough to accumulate to such high levels? Or maybe Adam and Eve could just have litters of children, Eve an overworked, tired "queen bee" to the world? Do you think it fair, that they should have all the children? It's our turn now.
The number of people who could potentially enjoy having come alive, is so enormous, as to compel and encourage large families worldwide, to have any hope of getting to such "huge" numbers perhaps someday. Each and every human life is sacred, and we should seek to live godly lives. It was God who designed exponential growth for humanity, for most all our descendants also inherit the ability to reproduce, so that the more we grow, the more people there becomes who are then having babies.
As the human race naturally spreads, there becomes even more fertile birth canal holes from which babies can emerge, which naturally makes pop "control" to become more and more impossible, a practical reason we shouldn't even bother to "control" our growing numbers.
If you paid any attention to NWO depop agenda, you should see what a severe threat it is to all human freedom, and oppose it. It is necessarily deceptive and coercive as "voluntary" fertility "control" may ultimately fail?
I've seen a few amusing comments that seem to accept this "failure" of the human race to "control" its fertility. Somewhere a statement that contraceptive use must increase, just to keep pace with the growing pop. Do they not realize that if we keep the same proportion of people using and not using contraception, that's still "runaway" exponential growth?
Human body was not designed to use any means of birth control. God promising Abraham "uncountable" descendants = exponential growth
Then you look at the economic growth models, and "failures" of countries to keep their burgeoning human pops "in check," and what excuse do we often find? That growth is necessary for healthy economies, and letting human pops expand, seems to be one of the easiest and most natural ways to get such growth. Besides, depop schemes aren't so very effective at getting relected, something politicians in populous India have discovered
Even running up unsustainable debt, may beg for more pop?
Having more taxpayers pay into the corrupt taxation system, may somewhat delay the inevitable collapse of currencies, that have been hopelessly overburdened with corrupt and excessive gov spending and debts.
But growing pops, isn't really like other financial ponzi schemes. For why do ponzi pyramids ultimately collapse? Because they run out of people. But with naturally booming pop, where is there people to run out of? No, for there's always more and more!
This world is not "hell." Hell is far worse. No, this world is "Twisted" on Star Trek Voyager. Are you starving? Are you out in the freezing cold? Or baking in the oven? Let's be honest. I think I watched "Twisted" some time ago, entire episode on YouTube. The people weren't dying, weren't starving, they just were "lost." Couldn't find their way to the Bridge, or to hardly anywhere. Some space distortion field "twisted" the ship, so that hallways no longer led to where they normally do
So my "insanity" won't let me see that some people have 7 children, and some have 12? Yeah, that's sex for pleasure, only, - whatever you say? And you call me insane? Those people probably have no idea what's making so many babies, huh?
What makes you think you are a valid person to speak to? What are your credentials? You actually trust the medical Big Pharma? Where is your proof? Of anything?
I've been to the "safer sex" meeting, seen the great DIVIDE between parents and edu-crats.
@Seppo... Fridge, then you'd understand why overpopulation is bad. But you hide behind that computer screen, eating your meals and watching TV, never experiencing true pain or suffering. Not even emotionally, as you're too insane to take anything important seriously. Big Pharma relates to pheremones, hormones and all that. Contraceptives are important in treating overpopulation. Credentials? I've at least been educated enough to see the world for what it is. You, however, live in a world of fog.
People should never be expected to use any means of "birth control." Humans pops should always be welcome to rise naturally "unchecked." I'd much rather use a food replicator, and not have to pay for food anymore, than to ask anybody to use a nasty, poor fit, sensation dulling, condom. What is the reason people have reproductive organs for anyway? Because we should REPRODUCE. We should stop resisting, and respect the body's reproductive rhythms, let babies happen naturally as they come
You also seem to fail to consider, even with so many people going against nature, resisting the body's natural reproductive function, births still outnumber deaths 3 to 1. A recent 2010 report by PRB?, says we are adding currently, 84 million people to the world, that's 1.2% x 7 billion. Even with some level of unnatural fertility "control," human pops might still keep creeping ever upwards. Why should we not use the advancing technologies to cope, ADAPT as world steadily grows denser?
Why is it that most every "sex ed" program that the evil lib-tards promote, always seems to encourage young people to indulge in sex? I agree with that, to a point. If they are responsible enough and ready to marry first, so as to properly prepare for natural stable parenthood duties. I do agree with welcoming a larger proportion of the world's now "huge" and fast-growing pops to enjoy being sexually active, but without "birth control," allowing human life to spread freely "unchecked."
My old Church got ahold of some local sex ed video, and it was something of a scandal, we thought it inappropriate to use in our schools. Some cartoon drawing of a young guy, his penis fast getting stiff, so he sticks it right into his girlfriend's vagina and starts doing it. Of course that is the correct biological response. Not to spill the human seed, but to allow human life to freely spread. But where's the morality? Where's the stable family nest, to receive children that result?
You did know, it wasn't all that long ago, that a computer literally did fill an entire room? But now, such a computer of hot vacuum tubes, is so "last century." Such computers could only be afforded by universities or the gov. Come to think of it, farms seem rather quaint. People could build parking deck stacked buildings, with artificial sun lamps powered by "cold fusion" reactors, on Mars. But it wouldn't be affordable, unless robots built the buildings, like on The Jetsons.
Don't worry about the population problem,that's what secret societies are for,they will solve the problem.
MythicSun 6 days ago
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ilgvars210 1 week ago
k? wtf up with the heartbeats theyre scaring me
Carzrock77 1 week ago
@Carzrock77
Of course the heartbeats are scary. That's probably the idea. The video is old pagan anti-pop propaganda, trying to sell people on rebellion against God, turning away from faith of accepting however many children God gives, and selling people on NWO depop agenda of damaging their bodies with shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons.
Heartbeats imply world pop is "exploding" "out of control." What a perversion! Heartbeat is a good thing, otherwise your dead?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Carzrock77
I'm quite sure God has some purpose in allowing so many people to come alive. It's for the good, not for the bad. It's long past time to tell the truth about the great progress in the human race expanding its numbers. It's necessary to do so, so that you, your friends, your relatives, your parents even, can have their children.
Seems like ever since we see earth-rise photo from the moon, enviro-pagans worship nature, steal our rights. But the moonlanding was TV - faked?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Carzrock77
I find so many people seem to be scared of learning "conspiracy theories." But you can learn so much by studying conspiracy theories. You eventually find, like the Bible says, that God is true, and man is a LIAR. Man easily succumbs to the lies of the great deceiver, the devil. We live in a world of layers upon layers of deception. You think you found out something, and that's a lie too? Most of the Church is apostate. The Pope was thought to be the Anti-Christ.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Carzrock77
Sorry, I see I misspelled "you're." Spellcheck doesn't catch grammar errors, or uses of the wrong word.
I see world pop growth, like the baby growing in the womb. The growth is to-be-expected, and lack of growth, would be a serious cause of concern for the baby.
We are soon headed for "birth" into some far better era. Pagans tell us that this world is all there is, but that's an outright LIE. Bible tells us different, and even sci-fi claims man will expand beyond earth
pronatalist 1 week ago
CHINA SHOULD RUN THE WORLD!
SpartanKratos001 1 week ago
HOLY SHIT BALLS..........after it said New World the population spread fast as fuck
UrALAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 2 weeks ago
@UrALAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE - Man has tried to slow population growth for years and
it is still growing, population growth is inevitable, it is going to happen, actually it has been controlled, 50 milllion abortions every year, globally and widespread use of birth control probably has prevented another hundred million babies from being conceived, so
technically man has been able to control the population growth, so why all the b/s
about population growth, how much more slower growth do they want!!
limoboss6242 1 week ago
@limoboss6242 - you are completely incorrect, for the population to get from 1 to 2 billion it took approx 130 years. from 2 billion to our current population (5 billion more people) it took less than 100 years. I wish i could be polite, but you're wrong. sorry, try again.
Bevelan 1 week ago
@Bevelan How am I wrong? With population increasing at 85 million per year, another billion will be here in 12 years, if 50 million abortions didn't happen there would be another 600 million in 12 years and I'm sure birth control prevents 400 million in
12 years easy, so where I am I wrong, easy to add 2 billion in 12 years!!
limoboss6242 1 week ago
@limoboss6242
Independent of the "overpop" concern, isn't abortion still wrong?
I notice that the pro-life message does absolutely nothing to keep surging world pop growth "in check," but might actually help accelerate pop growth? That's a reason I'm also an advocate for pop growth, as somebody has to explain why more pop is BETTER for all.
People who are persuaded that abortion is wrong, are more likely to also reject use of birth control, so 2 billion in 12 years, may happen.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@limoboss6242
I don't agree with abortion to keep human pop "in check," as murdering the poor is WRONG.
I suspect 1-child tyranny wasn't China's idea, but Western contraceptive imperialists leaning on China to get a handle on pop growth. If world's most populous country can't "control" pop, what does that portend for the entire planet? But I have long advocated a denser world, as it answers the question, how do we still enjoy God-given right to have children, in world of so many?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@limoboss6242
Long ago, when studying about the supposed "overpop" issue, I felt like God was speaking to me to do something about the lies, because they are trying to take away my rights to have children, and devalue human life, neither of which can be good. I have long thought that the rise in world pop, was a very good thing, as think of all those people benefiting, and all the more people who might choose to worship God.
Adding "not aborted" babies, to pop, doesn't quite work
pronatalist 1 week ago
@limoboss6242
Math problems with adding "not aborted" babies to pop, are several. Not only is abortion said to be a contributor to breast cancer, but it empties the womb months before it should have naturally become empty due to childbirth. So sometimes the next pregnancy may occur in less than 9 months? Or fertility could be permanently damaged, so the aborted baby might be the only baby the woman ever has!
So do we add in, less, or MORE? Pro-lifers tend to reject birth control.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@limoboss6242 enough to where there isnt world hunger duh
UrALAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 6 days ago
Well I blame Modern Medicine; before that everything was hunky-dory! :P
LuiKang043 2 weeks ago
@LuiKang043 Modern Medicine has also brought inhumane methods of birth control,
thus controlling the population as it is, so why are we being told to reduce our population when birth control is used rampantly around the globe, our population is
already controlled by millions of abortions and millions of blocked and killed sperm
every year, it is amazing that the population increses at all with so much going against
to prevent any growth. God bless the eggs that manage to get fertilized!!
limoboss6242 2 weeks ago
@limoboss6242 lol I was only attempting to troll successfully; but wait, didn't it empower women by giving them the right to choose whether or not to have children, which in itself helps them to grow through education? There are recent studies which give evidence to the correlation between women getting married and having less children when they have access to good education. I suppose that is better than encouraging meaningless sex!
LuiKang043 2 weeks ago
i think there should allready be a one child policy everywhere,atleast until we learn new ways of doing everything and not destroy the planet,because there is no point in speeding up the process with more people doing the same stuff that we do that leads to more pollution and drain the recources faster than ever.And there is plenty of room for more people but not plenty of food or water for them,so we really dont need more now.
firedup420 2 weeks ago
This got me thinking. If the numbers of humans are going up year after year, and there's only so many resources we have to supply, won't we eventually not have enough for everyone to survive because there will be too many of us? Are we going to turn into monsters and start killing eachother to control it? Will abortions and one-child only policies be happening in every single place one earth? If we don't cooperate with having 1 or 2 kids and have more, will those we get jailed or killed? o_o
Pegashy123 2 weeks ago
@Pegashy123 Our numbers keep going up because we are destined to procreate
and fill the earth with humanity, our destiny will be determined by GOD! however he sees fit! So not to worry about ever increasing population, let it happen!!
limoboss6242 2 weeks ago
@limoboss6242 No offence, I respect your opinion and beliefs whole-heartily, but I was sort of expecting a more logical/reasonable answer. I'm not an atheist though. I have some faith that there is a God or someone out there, I just want to know what we as people are going to do about it cuz were already running out of stuff for everyone.
Pegashy123 2 weeks ago
@limoboss6242 god has nothing to do with this.
Bevelan 1 week ago
@Pegashy123
The natural expansion of the human race, isn't a failing, but rather, a potent measure of success or progress, that more and more people can now experience life.
If the number of people keeps growing, it doesn't mean Malthusian gloom-and-doom at all. It merely means a denser, more human-rich world. How can people keep on having their darling precious babies in a world of so many people alive already? Isn't it obvious? Let the world grow denser and denser, so that we fit
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Pegashy123
Countries like India, which have more people than acres of land, should be congratulated for having let their pops grow so dense, as they are doing their part to help the planet hold lots more people. However, the poverty and gov corruption, is a shame to be repented of.
Pop didn't grow so much due to resource shortage, but perhaps due to "overpop" theory we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in animal kingdom. God provides for us to multiply.
pronatalist 1 week ago
i just went to there site and became a member
mynameisradar 2 weeks ago
and still no one lives in Austrailia
alexavo98 2 weeks ago
So what will happen if the government decides to "help" the "problem"? Will those who resist be killed, their children killed, or will mothers be dragged off to abortion "clinics" like in China. If there is a morally exceptable way to solve this, I'd love to hear. Although I do think that just cutting resource consumption period will allow much more people to live on the Earth.
GremlinsAndGnomes 2 weeks ago
@GremlinsAndGnomes threes lots of resources and potential for a trillion humans we just need to start working on that direction. our vanity, indulgent desires and selfish individual behavior is stopping us to reach the next level of happiness. we are more busy building new weapons and fancies garbage. our ways are old ways and human fauna will start to pay the price.
lcabosa 2 weeks ago
@lcabosa I agree. The limit on our population is as far as we allow our God-given ingenuity to take us.
GremlinsAndGnomes 2 weeks ago
its to late for change,should have caught the problem a long time ago and tried to fix it then.we are all fucked now and if not us it will be our children who suffer in an overpopulated,polluted cesspool. we are a plague to the planet,eating at it like cancer,sucking it dry of water and all forms of life.the planet will die before we have a chance to escape what we created.the only thing that might help is a epidemic plague that kills over half the population,then we can start destroying again
firedup420 3 weeks ago
@firedup420 NO, we need solutions.., not pessimist , disease and plague in order to destroy the greatest nature creation, we need a new vision, and we need to fight for her.
lcabosa 3 weeks ago
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CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR (3-25-04): Most popular causes as to the 12,000 or so environmental organizations in 2003 here is a ranking of their objectives from most to least common as per Robert Brulle, IRS: Preservation of resources: 63.4% - Other conservation activities: 15.2% - Combating pollution: 5.6% - Wildlife sanctuary or refuge: 3.8% - Land acquisition for preservation: 3.5% - Preservation of scenic beauty: 3.2% Ecology: 2.9% Soil or water conservation: 2.0% POPULATION CONTROL: 0.3%?!
glorp896 3 weeks ago
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The whole world needs a population law like china has. Once you have 1 kid they neuter your dumbass and that's it. That's what the whole world needs. Every 2 people only making 1.
ItsPaiin 3 weeks ago
Where is Baltic Sea? Zabrali nam morze! :P
Mr97didek 3 weeks ago
@Mr97didek there are no people in the sea, so we can leave that off the map ;)
glorp896 3 weeks ago
We need a nuclear holocaust, or some hard pipe hittin' Progressive leaders to step up and ration the food supply, unleash some viruses, move the population to human settlement zones and sterilize them. The population is getting out of hand and polar bears are drowning. Obama, and the UN aren't doing enough - we need a reset.
jag10 3 weeks ago
@jag10 no, just have a massive sterilization campaign for low IQ people, which basically means a recolonization of africa - Abos of oz would become extinct, or very nearly so as their IQ is below 70 on average... east asians would survive the best as a major racial group and jews more than anyone... So lets GETRDONE and avoid IDIOCRACY... Upon reaching 12 if u don't have a good enough IQ, SNIP SNIP CUT CUT NO BABY BABY - give them ice cream and video games after surgery...
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@glorp896
I agree with you, but IQ isn't enough. I like the positions of the Gates, Rockefeller, and Ford foundations...a consorted effort including de-industrialization, food rationing, and herding people into communal settlements to combat climate change.
Specific groups should be targeted first, but an overall culling to keep the population sustainable. Then all non-elite fetus' should be produced in scientific laboratories for service needs - and at age 50 should be recycled into mother Gaia
jag10 3 weeks ago
@jag10 Gates is a horrible nightmare dumping billions into africa, artificially keeping alive millions of blacks that should go the way of natural selection - i suspect he doesn't want to do it but does so due to his wife... my interpretation... Africa is PEARLS BEFORE SWINE, a waste of a continent on an inferior race. Well, your plan is certainly more comprehensive than mine! u remind me of LOGAN'S RUN... u didn't even get to live to 30 in that "utopia"...
IQ is the best variable...
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@glorp896
You are wrong about Gates mate he's full go with sterilization, but those savages seem to grow on trees. And although he may not see it in his lifetime, his foundation continues to work on the Rockefeller and Ford vision of depopulation by creating a culture of dependency, essentially removing the ability of subsistence.
So it become very simple at a certain point to have reset, instead of sterilization stopgaps... just like Stalin did. It's just like flicking a switch mate.
jag10 3 weeks ago
@jag10 Bill: "In '93 Melinda and I took our first trip to Africa...
- during our visit, I saw that many of the world's life-saving, life-enhancing discoveries were not available in Africa...
I became convinced that if science and technology were better applied to the challenges of Africa, the tremendous potential of the continent would be unleashed and people could be healthier and fulfill their promise." from huffingtonpost:
"Africa Can Live Up to its Promise"
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@jag10 I'm perfectly right about Gates, i just LIKE to think he really doesn't mean it... it would be like arriving in america and catering to the native indians and trying to help them survive and flourish (in their teepees? - sorry, but i'm all for the manifest destiny of central air, industrial revolution, info age, space age and hopefully STAR TREK roddenberry style - so we can't cater to and baby inferiors, like the NAVI of AVATAR... stupid savages is correct, thats what they are
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@jag10 and don't forget SOYLENT GREEN!
glorp896 3 weeks ago
The population growth issue must be one of the most morally conflicting issues of them all. On one hand we all know for a fact that the population is growing rapidly and our Earth does in fact have a carrying capacity along with a limited number of recources but on the other hand we each come with a certain ethical value which makes us unable to bring ourselves to justify the killing of poeple to reduce to population since we don't want to undervalue anyone's life.
brian2189114 4 weeks ago
@brian2189114 don't worry yourself , nature will deal with it.
lcabosa 4 weeks ago
@lcabosa By that train of thought, Nature will also take out half the species we've endangered. We have to deal with this ourselves. We can't just pretend everything will fix itself. There's obligations to the planet and the rest of life on Earth. And as for ourselves, we need to think about our own, continued existence, and desperately need to rid ourselves of anthropocentrism and this supremist pride for our own species.
vgman94 3 weeks ago
@vgman94 dangerous times, will we be the ones that fall, or the ones that raise to the next level. we need to change Urban and cultural paradigms, we need a new place to live and be happy, we need to tackle the real potential for life of our planet, nature best is coral reefs and tropical forests, in what benefits our urban superficie to other species? we need change fast, maybe a urban exosquelet city that support us and LIFE in a symbiotic relation, a urban oasis for all, yes is possible.
lcabosa 3 weeks ago
@lcabosa WE are nature, so LETS deal with it before that NONhuman "nature" deals with it!
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@glorp896 we are part of Nature,so what do we contribute for Nature ? garbage dump, and pollution? we need to change , old paradigms are obsolete, we need a new vision...
lcabosa 3 weeks ago
@lcabosa ourselves along with pollution - nature destroys nature, its in its nature - entropy...
we need less people... elite people, less dumb ones - whats your vision? Gaia Liberation Front? How deep is your ecology?
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@glorp896 less people?? we need a critical mass of "dumb ones" , we need a trillion ones, it´s the same old idea, we are bridges, like trees are and All life is, we tap in resources and create new concentrations, but our heart and soul needs a equilibrium between nature ( here we come from ) and technology ( our best effort ) in order to enjoy healthy and superior happiness, our ingenuity could benefit us and Nature in order to expose the material and spiritual potential of the planet.
lcabosa 3 weeks ago
@lcabosa yes, LESS PEOPLE FOR A BETTER PLANET... critical mass of dumb ones? i did many CRITICAL MASS bike rides, i understand the atomic energy aspect of it as well as population explosion aspect of it but you aren't giving me some GOD WANTS YOU TO BE RICH lecture are you? via PAUL ZANE PILZER?
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@glorp896 our problem is: resources, energy and recycling, for the past year i´m obsessed with a vision of a city build at the ocean surface's that delivers water, air conditioning, energy and space for us ( urbanization) and for other species ( a coral oasis) , it uses updraft tower together with otec in order to create a thermal engine, complementary is the key for all work in sincronization, it reminds me a lot the old city of Atlantis, Plato city , with the circles , coincidence?
lcabosa 3 weeks ago
@lcabosa neato, might work some day...
our problem is people as they use resources, energy and don't recycle nearly as well as i do...
perhaps the video "Doug Stanhope - Sodomy is "Eco-Friendly"" is in order, on utube...
followed by a trip to THE CHURCH OF EUTHANASIA?
- and yes a PLATONIC city would be nice, as it doesn't fuck nature?
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@glorp896 we need to change urban Environment in order to change behavior, if we use the same "old" way of building places to live we will never change social and political behavior of individuals, pessimism and nihilism is for the ones that reached a limit , we need to be the ones that begun to build the future of civilization, Platonic not was a ideal dream but as a especial human en devour here human "ART" meets Nature ability to grow wherever a support is created, lets break the limits.
lcabosa 2 weeks ago
@lcabosa interesting
glorp896 2 weeks ago
@glorp896 saw the video - "Doug Stanhope - Sodomy is "Eco-Friendly" - didn't like it, hate the kind of "humor", we need real leaders and not "dumb ones", in the past there was a name "sophist" for that kind of argumentative individual , nowadays we have this lite way of argumentation ,as if being somewhat humorous is a equivalent of intelligent thinking , or creative capacity, we need the ones that created the pyramids or the great cathedrals, we need the real deal.
lcabosa 2 weeks ago
@lcabosa yes of course, i sit corrected
glorp896 2 weeks ago
@glorp896 txs for the discussion, it was a way to clarify some ideas... beware of pessimistic ideas , always look for the bright light that nature so magnanimous offered to us. Enjoy
lcabosa 2 weeks ago
Go on. Keep having 10 kids when you live below the poverty line, keep on living an impossible and unsustainable life. Youre not helping yourselves. Sometime in the near future a massive plague is going to hit the poorest and most densely populated regions on the earth and millions will die. Just the planet's way of getting rid of a disease. The more our governments try to turn their backs on the population growth problem, the worser it will become. To be honest, humans need to be taught a lesson
TalonMercenary 4 weeks ago 2
there is enough room AND resources on the Earth for everyone, but neither the poeple themselves nor the resources are evenly distributed throughout the earth, which is where our problem lies
surayzee 1 month ago
Well you can pretty much thank fossil fuels and agriculture for population growth,why, because you need coal or oil to power machines to harvest the land to feed everyone. Well long story short, the more food we grow, the more humans are born period! Farming and fossil fuels are responsible for world population growth.
Redrumx21 1 month ago 4
@Redrumx21 i think we are, we can think and not be like rabbits, at least some can.
We need to grow understanding watch this vid: The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 8 of 8)
Outboundz 1 month ago
@Redrumx21 Actaully, technology is the main reason why we have population increase. More medicines amd less death by birth and less sickness etc, we can basically almost cure 80% of all viruses and bacteries. HIV is cureable, soon AIDS will be too and then there wont be anything left to kill us.
Main reasons why population growth was slow in the old days was two things, sickness and wars
SMGJohn 1 month ago
@SMGJohn so true
Redrumx21 1 month ago
@SMGJohn This is why we need to NOT artificially keep morons alive but rather sterilize them. the non natural death rate (war) for hunter gather tribal types (mainly negros) is five times worse than for white europe in the 20th century DESPITE two world wars!... 3% compared to 15%... as per FREAKONOMICS - Steve Leavitt --- so this is DESPITE high tech methods of killing and greater population density in europe...
glorp896 3 weeks ago
@Redrumx21 bold statement. Although not inaccurate, very close minded.. How about... advancements in health care (less deaths).. we also don't have natural predators that have the ability to threaten or population like every other species does... according to your statement, to solve our population expansion we should stop producing food? i don't see the validity to your argument
Bevelan 1 week ago
Guys, stop having more than 2 kids. Anything above 2 is contributing an increase to world population, and we are already crowded enough as it is.
Casshyr 1 month ago 11
@Casshyr The problem here is, the majority of the people receiving this message, are not the people who it needs to reach.
meanmrmustard89 2 weeks ago
@Casshyr - Male instinct to impregnate as much as possible!
limoboss6242 1 week ago
@Casshyr - space is not the issue.. the entire population of the earth could fit into california standing shoulder to shoulder... distribution is the problem. We just choose to all live so close together.
Bevelan 1 week ago
@Bevelan Yes but that part is unavoidable. Majority of the world is simply not overly hospitable to mankind, this is due to harshness of nature, outside of human control. Ex: who wants to live in Sahara desert? Or in freezing icelands near the north or south? Or even near the equator where temperature and humidity is so hot diseases like malaria just spread like fire? We can't control any of these (at least with current technology), so we just have to make due with the space we have.
Casshyr 1 week ago
@Casshyr
But without evil NWO criminal elites ruining the world, we could better fight malaria, with DDT, window screens, clearing some overgrown jungle and swamps, whatever better works to better growing human pops.
People CAN live in Sahara or other deserts. Israel has proven that barren desert wastelands can be reclaimed and made productive, for providing space for ever more people.
I agree that some areas of land are better than others, a reason to grow denser and not just spread
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist it is part of human nature to want the best of everything. Why would i want to live in Israel, when there are cities like Vancouver? Sure, i can survive in Middle East, but why do i want to surround myself with nothing but sand? The good places on Earth are limited, and everybody wants to live near comfortable regions. You can't force people to move...only way is to simply decrease population so we can all fit in the good regions.
Casshyr 1 week ago
@Casshyr
Well I might love to live in Israel, and "uncrowded" places are nearly the least of my concerns. I want to live in a country that is moving forwards, and that protects and respects its people, and that doesn't appear to be America anymore.
What's wrong with sand? At least you don't have to mow, sand.
Why force people to move? If people want to live and procreate in the "crowded" places of the world, let them. It's their right.
Increase pop,let density rise,so we can all fit
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Why don't you set the example and move then? You think moving is easy? And have you ever been to China? It's a perfect example of how everybody wants to live in the city yet there are only that many cities to accommodate, and what you have is fierce job competition. Same with India. Ever been there?
Casshyr 1 week ago
@Casshyr
Do you really want me to move? I've been trying to figure out how, for the last few years. I'd like to be out of here, before tyrant Obummer is re-elected and my country goes down the drain. Do you want me to move, with no base? I'm trying to make some friends in the area, figure out how to come visit, get my Residency, and move, as I'm tired of America's crap.
Why China or India? Too little freedom, too much false religion, too much gov corruption.
China has "EMPTY cities."
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist I didn't say move to China or India, I'm saying have you ever been there. You obviously haven't, otherwise you would have said so already. Try going there before making claims that we can reproduce as many as we want..alright?
And yes, I'm telling you to move out of America, since you said you have no problem to do so. Set the example for what you so heroically claimed earlier. You think moving is easy? You think every1 can move? Either show it, or retract it.
Casshyr 1 week ago
@Casshyr
We can reproduce as many children as God allows us to have. Even in China. Crowding is not caused by "huge" numbers, but by poverty and corrupt gov.
Did you have any idea the number of EMPTY apartment units China has built? What are they saving them for? Some undisclosed conspiracy theory? You don't have to look far, to see how govs mismanage and waste resources, making poverty worse. Believing the lies to have fewer children, plays into the hands of the evil NWO statists.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Casshyr
So what if I sound like a "conspiracy theorist?" I can be for Ron Paul, and morons who fear the truth, might call me a "Paul-bot." They try to trick us into statist control and conformity, by ridicule and calling us names. But the truth is what it is.
And why do you think I will drop you a line? Will I even remember you? You critics are "a dime a dozen," and I always have some fans. I might say something, I might still post around here, or I might be busy doing other things?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Casshyr
I'm not going to leave America, to prove a point to you, for the cost to me is too high. When, or if, I leave, will be due to, my own reasons. Whether or not I think I can find a better life elsewhere, or not. According to God's leading.
You can be ignorant or stupid if you want, but who will you have to blame but yourself? There is an undercurrent of people leaving America. Even commodities trader (American) Jim Rogers, has moved to Singapore, and says the future is in Asia.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Casshyr
Did I say everybody can move? If only it was so easy. Many people are too scared to see what's out there, they don't want to leave family and friends behind, they don't have the money, or have too many questions about where to go and how to get Residency.
Why do you think I have been so harping, on the need to let countries, and the entire world, grow denser? Because many people either won't, or can't seem to move all that far away, due to political or economic realities.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Casshyr
China should fill their empty cities, encourage big families, and build more cities to hold more people, as the cities overflow.
I've been to South Korea, and didn't even know they are 4 times as dense as China, twice that of India, until I looked it up later in an almanac. Didn't seem "crowded" at all
Crowding is caused, not by "huge" numbers, but by poverty and corrupt gov. Buses would be less crowded, if gov allowed competing buses to charge a bit more for uncrowded buses
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist lmao now you sound just like a conspiracist, blaming the government. I should have sensed it when you called Obama a Obummer. Good-bye. Drop me a line when you get out of America, if you hate it so much. Seriously, do move. Prove your point. I challenge you to.
Casshyr 1 week ago
@Casshyr
People should not be expected to directly pollute their bodies with Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs. Parents have PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH reasons, to have more than 2 children. I agree very much with natural, "uncontrolled" childbirth, letting babies come out freely, without use of any means of birth control, welcoming "all the children God gives." A fast=growing world pop is wonderful, for it allows far more people to experience life.
Too crowded, then move, else don't
pronatalist 1 week ago
@Casshyr
Why do you think you have the right to live in "the best places?" Says who? You have the right to live and to procreate. But if the best places are already taken, and you can't afford to buy a place there, and you don't know anybody there anyway, why can't you find some other place to live and raise a family?
As pop grows, people should be creating more great places to live. But most "best places" are populated places, for few want to live "in middle of nowhere," so pop helps
pronatalist 1 week ago
Interesting how when in the 1950s America changed the tradittional Billion number from a million million to a thousand million. Im not sure but Im thinking thats where the population myth comes from. I mean the black death & loads of wars its doesnt make sense. The true figure of the population is actually less than three quarters of a billion on earth oops shud i have said that.lol
naleyan 1 month ago
THE SKY IS FALLING. We have to cut back people, there's only like a whole universe of raw materials out there! Its not like these overpopulated countries have there own space programs...oh wait. THEY DO! hooray. we have enough raw materials to last beyond the existence of man itself.
micmccond7 1 month ago
Check out this project called Freight Farms on kick starter, it tackles food supply in relation to population growth and food deserts. Creates local food economies where people need it the most and its sustainable. Definitely a project that can make a major change, help get the first one built.
sonnyszyszko 1 month ago
all thoses sluts...just kidding XD
mbluebird2 1 month ago
I did favor buttsecks . . . but then i took an arrow to the knee
xxxjackknightxxx 1 month ago
People should favor buttsecks... or wear condom.
This HAS to stop.
tontsa911 1 month ago
So globle revulation will erupte into human civlization that grew into such an number, that's difficult to split the already dimnish resources that only a few of us will be able to afford for its five time as expensive as it used to be.The rent, and properties prices will be jacke up for poor people to pay on time with out skipping the bills just to buy some food them to eat. This is ugly fate for us to endure, and will happen whtine couple of years if people dont put their act together.
FernandezJPaul 1 month ago
I have to admit the human race is very much the same as fire ants for their good at multiplying in numbers, and consuming natural resources in their region to such an extent that it's difficult for it to recover its losses.However if the humans triple by the year of 2050 that will spell out disaster for their wont be enougth of anyhting to distribute to the communites, let alone giving them easy access to gettting their hands on it in the first place.
FernandezJPaul 1 month ago
they sped up the beating sound speed at the end, that made it a little bit fake, and unrealistic
creativeprojects720 1 month ago
Damn man I don't care that much, just thought the vid was interesting. Get a life, whew I must have been really bored when I posted that, I knew I'd regret that quick, don't know what I was thinking.
kaneda603 1 month ago
I'm responding once again to SpecialEd(whatever his name was. If you put 3 people in a 3000 square ft home,(this is figuring a 2000 sq foot house with the remainder in yard. (which could be used for gardening, by the way) and a 2000sqft home is big enough for 2 bdrms with ease, you could place the intire world population inside the dimensions of the state of Texas. this is figuring 7billion people which is actually a little more than the total population. The world is not over populated.
evielovejoe 1 month ago
@evielovejoe
Please don't put me in the same house with any of the pathetic, ungrateful, population whiners. No matter how big the house, wouldn't it seem "crowded," having to live with such people, not grateful for being alive?
Of course the world is "overpop," in some sense that doesn't make any sense at all. If any of the ungrateful NWO criminal elitists, who concoct such evil anti-people propaganda, is inconvenienced in the slightest, their view obstructed, then they whine and tell lies?
pronatalist 1 month ago
Interesting vid, too bad nothing but idiots comment on it though. I mean wow, wtf? I'm afraid I probably opened myself up to get attacked by weirdos, deep breath lol. Pretty cool vid though.
kaneda603 1 month ago
@kaneda603
What are you afraid of? You sound like it's your first comment ever posted on the internet?
You do know that vgman94 is the weirdo around here? I'm normal. I defend the natural spread of life throughout the world, that this video seems excessively worried about.
Of course, there's probably more weirdos around here, but probably most of them are harmless. There could be "lurkers," people who read but rarely post anything. Then there's weirdos who haven't even found this video yet.
pronatalist 1 month ago
Seppo: Afraid of what? Some nut who's been fighting for years and years against the same people and always reusing the same stupid argument and religiously dogmatic sentences? Hell, I have similarities to you, but I change it up now and then. "Weirdos" are rare, and eccentrics like me, glorp and Axeholme are the better types of the world. However you can't call yourself normal. No-one fights for population growth for the reasons you do. Anyone who'd speak to you would think you're insane.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
So what have you "changed it up now and then?" Sounds to me like you are still playing the same old pathetic, "Isn't it terrible that so many people get to live" broken record.
So what reasons then did author Julian Simon advocate for pop growth? Or did he not care, he just was willing to tell the truth that there's really not much to keep human pops from growing as people like?
Everyone who speaks to me thinks I'm insane? So why does another forum report I got a bunch of thumbs ups?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@kaneda603
Why do you think that nothing but idiots comment on the "overpop" videos? What did you expect? People would watch the videos, and think, "Nice video, but I don't care?" Or, "Nice video, but it doesn't concern me, and probably has no relevance to me having my 7 children?" Did you expect people should not passionately discuss such as serious subject, as to whether the planet may or may not, be about to naturally "overflow" with people? Of course there would be the pro- and con- sides?
pronatalist 1 month ago
COMMENT SAFETY NOTICE: Being an avid commenter here, I must inform anyone and everyone who reads this that this user, pronatalist, has been proven to be medically insane. Ignore his posts as much as you can to keep the peace. He is not a valid person to speak to on nearly any matter.
vgman94 1 month ago
I've checked many sources all generally come to this same figure:
At 2009 rates of oil demand (84 mb/d), 1,354 billion barrels is enough for a little over 44 years.
Gas prices are based on supply and demand, it's simple economics: Price increases generally occur when the world crude-oil market tightens and lowers inventories.
Although the middle eastern countries may lie about supplies so it's hard to say if either of the above are absolutely true, but they're the closest I've found.
wafflejock 2 months ago
@wafflejock
We've started using compressed natural gas, to power vehicles. I don't know enough yet, to know how practical that might be, as a bigger fuel tank with less range, would not be ideal. But natural gas is said to be very abundant, and burns very cleanly.
44 years is a long time to explore some substitutes, if true improvements are priority?
I reject "running out" propaganda, but world pop is now so "huge," I think we should be developing ALL economically viable methods/alternatives.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
It's not so much that people are having so many babies, but rather, the "huge" numbers are already here. One reason I say, like so many conservatives, "Drill Baby, Drill," is because people in China and India are getting cars. Or is our plan, we will trade China our cars, and we will ride their bicycles?
High oil prices are not caused by any real shortage, but by Obama's anti-drilling moratorium, and NWO criminal elitist manipulation of the markets.
Solar and wind are not 24\7.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
I agree very much with "unchecked" human birthrate, because so many people don't believe in using the "artificial" methods. Well I agree, too many bad side effects, not to mention the expense of shoddy and unnatural and awkward Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons. They are contrary to nature. Oh, but the "natural" methods such as rhythm and early withdrawal, require too much will-power? I also agree, so that leaves the virtues of having naturally big families, to talk about
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
In a world of so many people, and so many great reasons to have children, and so many people with naturally "uncontrolled" birthrate, something has to give, right? Well that something, is the ridiculously low pop densities of the past. The modern world is denser, and we should expect global density to go right on rising.
Mad scientists do bizarre "overpop" experiments on animals, giving them "unlimited" food, because they know people solve problems, and appear to not want solutions
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
What's the answer? People with much education, seem to despise simple answers, not worthy of their much education. The answer is in the old children's song, "He's [God] got the whole world in his hands."
Why blame the babies for what we would all seem to be "guilty" of, being so numerous? Bible says God promised Abraham so many "uncountable" descendants. How does the Duggars 20th baby, add any more to world pop, than my continued existence?
Having babies is as natural as breathing
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
Projections of how long the oil will last, are wildly speculative, and don't mean much of anything. Because technology changes, and unlocks ever more, that may not have been known or economically viable to drill before.
People with anti-drilling bumper stickers are hypocrites. Where do they think their gasoline comes from?
The cars in movie iRobot, don't use gasoline. But they didn't say, what they do use. Flying cars on The Jetsons run on "power pellets," code for nuclear power?
pronatalist 2 months ago
@pronatalist Also I don't deny the possibility of technology and new means of gathering energy will extend this period of time (potentially indefinitely), but simply assuming that these issues will work themselves out doesn't seem like a valid solution to me.
wafflejock 2 months ago
@pronatalist You make some valid points here or there, but you're missing a few major facts. We get our food from industrial farms, these rely on our supply of oil, which is projected to run out in about 50 yrs. Previous to growing crops with petroleum based fertilizers and harvesting and transporting them with machines our rate of population growth wasn't what it is today. Nature will balance this with a leveling of the birth/death rate. But don't worry it's your grand children's problem.
wafflejock 2 months ago
@wafflejock
Oil is not so limited as they would have us believe, and I just heard talk yet again on the radio, about how we could have $1.50/gallon gasoline again, if the evil politicians, tyrant Obama, would just lift the moratorium on our own oil drilling, as we need the jobs. Quite many of the common people get it, we should drill and have the jobs. But evil politicians don't care, as they have their evil globalist agenda deluding them.
Nature won't "balance us," we could even grow crowded?
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
The more people there are who come alive, the more people there are to enjoy life. This is practical reason to welcome human pops everywhere to grow natural and even let human pops grow more and more "wild."
"Ideal" pop would be "nearly as large as possible," so as to have the most benefit for the most people. People should be encouraged to marry younger and just let babies push out without ever any means of birth control.
Without evil gov, people would solve problems "too well?"
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
Letting people work out their own problems and solutions, leads to the most creative and efficient solutions.
Some Prime Minister of The Philippines, said the growing pop was okay, for the world is growing too. Actually that is a very wise observation. In the past, letting the pop of their island nation grow to 100 million or more, might have been risky, but as the world is also growing, it drives us to figure out how to best support such dense pops and go right on growing freely.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
Our grandchildren would enjoy having grown more numerous than ever. They would not want to have "never existed," so that the pop could be "smaller" like back in the past.
In recent times, it's not that family size has gotten any larger than it was historically, but rather, there's just so many more fertile birth canals from which babies can emerge, and they are getting closer together. The numbers of women of childbearing age has grown.
We are figuring out, how to grow DENSER.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
Nature has no desire to "level" or "balance" the birth/death rate. Births are natural, while death is a failure of life. There was no death in the world, before "Original Sin." And death is defeated, according to the Bible, by the end, when what was lost, is finally restored
Nature spreads life, into most every niche possible. Currently, 3 human births per 1 death. Without birth control, deaths would not rise, other than from more people of old age. Ratio would go even more extreme
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
I consider people to be a great asset, especially when more inspired to be more creative by better, more freedom for individuals, government policy. So if we fail to get a "handle" upon naturally-burgeoning world population growth, I believe it will help us have even more abundant energy, if world population soars to 15 billion or more, than if we grow by just a few paltry billions more.
Oil will not run out in 50 years. Didn't you see iRobot movie? Cars don't use gasoline anymore.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
You are both partially right, yet still wrong, in your conclusions.
Yes, it would be a bit unwise to trust in technology to solve all our problems. But I must also caution, there's no assurance that any effort to hinder the natural pop expanse of humanity, would do any good for people either
Our grandchildren would want, even deserve a "crowded" world. For they would be glad to exist in such huge numbers, would ADAPT. If we care about them, we should welcome them to be freely born
pronatalist 2 months ago
@wafflejock
"World pop is barely large enough for you and I to have been born," somebody said.
There's a practical reason why to let human pops soar and naturally grow "out of control." "Too many" people benefit from the natural increase, for we humans to have any incentive to "control" our fertility. God commanded people multiply, so that makes it God's responsibility then, not ours, to determine just how populous we may ultimately become.
If we don't control our numbers, NEITHER WILL NATURE
pronatalist 2 months ago
@pronatalist "If we don't control our numbers, NEITHER WILL NATURE"
Hunger can be a very effective way for nature to control our population if it grows above 15 billion.
Population is not a problem on itself, but unless we find a way to spread our population into other planets or solve our population problems using technology we will eventually destroy ourselves.
Even if we cover the world in techno-solutions for our uncontrolled growth, I don't really want Earth turning into Coruscant ...
DarkZholt 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
Hunger can be a very effective motivator, to DO WORK. Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat. Think of all the problems that would solve, if we tried to follow that? Used to be, that immigrants, people who want a better life than in their country, would do the jobs that Americans don't want. Some states have clamped down on "undocumented" immigration, and now crops rot in the field? Americans don't want to work, due to runaway taxation,and unemployment compensation
pronatalist 2 months ago
@pronatalist ... Bible says ... oh man ... ok, how can I say it ... as we are now till we get to 15 billion humans, we can work things out if we leave meaningless political/ideological diferences from stopping us from working together as a species ... but if we keep on this rate we will run out of space, our problems now are caused by wasting our resources, a behavior problem, if we multiply too much it'll eventually turn into a physical problem, the Earth won't grow to acomodate and feed us.
DarkZholt 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
We are okay for the foreseeable future, for the world is nowhere near "full" of people. I notice most homes are inefficiently spread out, not designed for space-efficiency, like a Recreational Vehicle (RV or camper). A measure that we have lots of underutilized space all around.
As a pro-lifer, I believe the natural spread of human life should be unrestrained, people were never designed to use any means of birth control.
Earth won't grow, that's why to let density rise naturally.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
Too much city, too little nature? Well did you think there would be no consequences from pop naturally growing so much? Nobody is to blame, if someday the world becomes so super-populated. Parents of large families aren't to blame, babies aren't to blame. It's the nature of human life to spread. It's your own fault, for not being able to figure out how to be born to an earlier, less "crowded" time, or your fault for whining about "what must be."
The Jetsons highrises aren't so bad.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
Seems to me, the evidence suggests that the pop control freaks, are afraid humans are solving too many problems, such that we might just "explode" uncontrollably surpassing 15 billion, due to "unlimited" food not being a "check" upon our pop size. As they are not content to merely "let" things run out, but actively conspire to manufacture bogus shortages.
Spreading to other worlds, is a costly distraction right now, so leave that TO THE MOVIES.
What's wrong with gleeming Coruscant?
pronatalist 2 months ago
@pronatalist "What's wrong with gleeming Coruscant?"
Too much city, too little nature.
DarkZholt 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
Do you really think that the citizens of Coruscant, think that it is too much city and too little nature? No, I suspect many are proud of their huge and sparkling and gleaming city. They would think it's just normal, to have so much big city, for they are well used to it, perhaps living there all their life, not realizing how much smaller in the past, it might have been?
What is the alternative to having swollen pop growing "out of control?" Polluting our bodies with contraceptives?
pronatalist 2 months ago
@pronatalist "Do you really think that the citizens of Coruscant, think that it is too much city and too little nature? No, I suspect many are proud of their huge and sparkling and gleaming city. "
Coruscant could not sustain itself on it's own, it has to import goods and food from other planets. Another example of a city planet in fiction is Pierson's Puppeteer's home world, which has four farming planets to feed the population of four trillion
DarkZholt 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
Coruscant is based upon, presumably, 1 writer's imagination, not upon reality. The future has MORE POSSIBILITIES, than generally 1 writer can imagine. Why doesn't Curuscant have Star Trek food replicators? Oh, that's right, it's Star Wars, not Star Trek. Wouldn't want to be accused of ripping off a Star Trek idea? Billions of minds, are more powerful than 1 mind. Takes only but 1 inventor, then everybody copies it. Planet dwellers, on Star Trek, also have food replicators.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@DarkZholt
Why did Star Trek invent food replicators? Or Warp Drive? Because they need to get to destinations, within the short time frame of the story, not centuries later. Also, devoting half the spaceship to "farms" would be "so in the way" of good storytelling. Or because pop of earth, eventually grew so dense, just wasn't enough room for farms, so they invented a way to more directly convert matter into food.
To say only farms can feed people, is like saying a computer must fill a room.
pronatalist 2 months ago
@pronatalist I thought the assassin I sent you would've finished you off by now. Jervis Tetch must've gotten the address wrong. >_< We shouldn't need to make food replicators to feed more people. There shouldn't be more people. There should be LESS people. Stop condemning souls to this hell covered in ice cream.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
Please don't make jokes like that, that aren't even funny.
What do you mean, "this hell covered in ice cream?"
Surely you can tell that contraceptives are unnatural and contrary to nature. That's a very good reasons to have food replicators, if ever we can, so as to all the more encourage people to "outgrow" at least the farming capacity of the planet, and to convert former farmlands into vast residential cities, more and more lands needed, just for living space of so many.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist And you think your examples (which are most likely lies) are better? When you stop making jokes or "examples" about some Church getting a sex ed video, then making some random ad hocing about "human seeds", then I'll stop making jokes. Humans have sex primarily for pleasure, not for having babies. Of course, your insanity won't let you see it. The covered in ice cream thing was basically saying that this is Hell, prettied up to make it seem like an alright world.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
The name of the video was, "Safe for Life," which later turned into a pathetic condom commercial. Why do you not believe me? I archived a copy for myself, as I had 2 VCRs back then, however, now the 1 won't eject tapes - apparently needs to be taken apart and lubricated somehow, and the other has a problem in the audio. I don't recall if I labeled the VHS, so I may never find it since moving?
Humans have sex for pleasure only? Ha! You haven't heard we are now 7 Billion? TO PROCREATE.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist If you don't think emotional torment has any significance to the quality of life, you are truly blind in every aspect of life. A condom commercial is a good thing. No, your insanity makes you ENJOY that people have more kids than they should. If you were one of the animals out in the wilderness being killed by human hunters or starving through loss of habitat, you'd understand why overpopulation is bad. If you were a child starving because your siblings eat the last food in the...
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
A condom commercial to kids in school, who likely aren't married yet? They should have no use for condoms. In fact, why have sex in a balloon?, that's like having a steak in a balloon, rather than steak, somebody said.
Like I said, I've been to the "safer sex" meeting, and the DIVIDE was striking. Parents wanted morality, while edu-crats say, "They're going to do it anyway, so let's make sure they do sin."
Who are you to say that parents ought not to enjoy having so many children?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Animals don't care about the growing human pop. They have short lifespan and can't even comprehend such things. Many animals, such as chickens and cows, have enjoyed tremendous growth of their numbers as well, so I see no clear negative net benefit to them, from the growing human pop.
If I was one of the animals, I'd probably still look fondly upon humans, for humans are curious creatures, and our dogs think we are something special. I even see wild birds watching us from power lines.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Seppo and Fridge are not my name. What do you mean "Fridge" anyway?
Hindering the natural flow of human life, is what is bad
So if I lived in the slums and had no electricity nor computer, then I would have more credibility with you, knowing something of suffering? But then, how would we be having this conversation?
Contraceptives aim to prevent actual human lives, of people who would have been very glad to live. Growing pains can be mitigated, without actually "controlling" numbers
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Sounds like your education is way too secular. You should seek truth, not merely just "education." I am highly educated, and I do a lot of reading. Can't say I've seen a whole lot of the world though, other than seeing what I can through documentaries and YouTube. I just never seemed to have much of a travel budget.
I don't believe in contraceptive use, as they are shoddy and unnatural, and I believe human life should spread naturally unrestrained, so that far more people enjoy life.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist Fridge was a continuation of the previous comment, you invalid tea bag. Religious "education" is a misleading and lying practice used to brainwash and mind control sall minds into sick and evil endeavors. The fact that you don't believe in contraceptives like men in the 1890s didn't believe in cars and preferred horses shows your stupidity outright. Human life is not Godly. It shouldn't spread unrestrained when it'll murder other species and torment it's own just to spread.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
Yes, there's false religion out there, but the truth is also out there. You had better thank "religion" for the pop getting so "huge," and you and I thus coming to be born.
Shows how little you know. In the 1980s, a good horse WAS a far better investment for most normal people. A car was expensive, and you had to be a good MECHANIC to keep your car running. Cars weren't so easy to drive like they are now. There was no "power" steering and "power" brakes. Starting was by a hand CRANK?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist THANKING the population for forcing me to be born?! Are you ins-never mind. We all know you're insane. Acting as if any type of logic exists in you is like believing the Earth is flat. When restraints are put on water, food and electricity usage due to population growth outgrowing resources, you'll see why there is NO reason why we should keep growing. God didn't design exponential growth. God didn't want us to grow forever, and God doesn't think like you do. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
Aha! I caught you in a Freudian slip-up, showing that you really do know something of how it is?
"When restraints are put on water, etc." So who is it that is putting on the restraints? Surely you didn't just refer to nature as a "person?" You admit to an evil NWO criminal elitist depop scheme right there. If nature did it, you couldn't use anthropomorphic terms to refer to that, but would have to say, "when it happens," or "when we hit the limits"
So who designed exponential growth?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Are we even talking about the same God? I'm talking about the true God of Abraham, the true God who created the world. Who designed humans such that what populates the planet is extremely pleasurable? Who decided that humans should curiously enjoy being "in heat," able to reproduce year-round, unlike most animals confined to a limited breeding season?
Grow forever? Who said anything about "to grow forever?" I said, "for now." When we become "as the angels," I don't think we reproduce.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
You don't even know what you are talking about, do you? What's the alternative to exponential growth? Have Adam and Eve still around, the only people ever having children, we'd live in a tiny little global village of a few 100s, that is, if people live long enough to accumulate to such high levels? Or maybe Adam and Eve could just have litters of children, Eve an overworked, tired "queen bee" to the world? Do you think it fair, that they should have all the children? It's our turn now.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
The number of people who could potentially enjoy having come alive, is so enormous, as to compel and encourage large families worldwide, to have any hope of getting to such "huge" numbers perhaps someday. Each and every human life is sacred, and we should seek to live godly lives. It was God who designed exponential growth for humanity, for most all our descendants also inherit the ability to reproduce, so that the more we grow, the more people there becomes who are then having babies.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
As the human race naturally spreads, there becomes even more fertile birth canal holes from which babies can emerge, which naturally makes pop "control" to become more and more impossible, a practical reason we shouldn't even bother to "control" our growing numbers.
If you paid any attention to NWO depop agenda, you should see what a severe threat it is to all human freedom, and oppose it. It is necessarily deceptive and coercive as "voluntary" fertility "control" may ultimately fail?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
I've seen a few amusing comments that seem to accept this "failure" of the human race to "control" its fertility. Somewhere a statement that contraceptive use must increase, just to keep pace with the growing pop. Do they not realize that if we keep the same proportion of people using and not using contraception, that's still "runaway" exponential growth?
Human body was not designed to use any means of birth control. God promising Abraham "uncountable" descendants = exponential growth
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Then you look at the economic growth models, and "failures" of countries to keep their burgeoning human pops "in check," and what excuse do we often find? That growth is necessary for healthy economies, and letting human pops expand, seems to be one of the easiest and most natural ways to get such growth. Besides, depop schemes aren't so very effective at getting relected, something politicians in populous India have discovered
Even running up unsustainable debt, may beg for more pop?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Having more taxpayers pay into the corrupt taxation system, may somewhat delay the inevitable collapse of currencies, that have been hopelessly overburdened with corrupt and excessive gov spending and debts.
But growing pops, isn't really like other financial ponzi schemes. For why do ponzi pyramids ultimately collapse? Because they run out of people. But with naturally booming pop, where is there people to run out of? No, for there's always more and more!
Let us spread unrestrained.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
This world is not "hell." Hell is far worse. No, this world is "Twisted" on Star Trek Voyager. Are you starving? Are you out in the freezing cold? Or baking in the oven? Let's be honest. I think I watched "Twisted" some time ago, entire episode on YouTube. The people weren't dying, weren't starving, they just were "lost." Couldn't find their way to the Bridge, or to hardly anywhere. Some space distortion field "twisted" the ship, so that hallways no longer led to where they normally do
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
So my "insanity" won't let me see that some people have 7 children, and some have 12? Yeah, that's sex for pleasure, only, - whatever you say? And you call me insane? Those people probably have no idea what's making so many babies, huh?
What makes you think you are a valid person to speak to? What are your credentials? You actually trust the medical Big Pharma? Where is your proof? Of anything?
I've been to the "safer sex" meeting, seen the great DIVIDE between parents and edu-crats.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@Seppo... Fridge, then you'd understand why overpopulation is bad. But you hide behind that computer screen, eating your meals and watching TV, never experiencing true pain or suffering. Not even emotionally, as you're too insane to take anything important seriously. Big Pharma relates to pheremones, hormones and all that. Contraceptives are important in treating overpopulation. Credentials? I've at least been educated enough to see the world for what it is. You, however, live in a world of fog.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94
People should never be expected to use any means of "birth control." Humans pops should always be welcome to rise naturally "unchecked." I'd much rather use a food replicator, and not have to pay for food anymore, than to ask anybody to use a nasty, poor fit, sensation dulling, condom. What is the reason people have reproductive organs for anyway? Because we should REPRODUCE. We should stop resisting, and respect the body's reproductive rhythms, let babies happen naturally as they come
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
You also seem to fail to consider, even with so many people going against nature, resisting the body's natural reproductive function, births still outnumber deaths 3 to 1. A recent 2010 report by PRB?, says we are adding currently, 84 million people to the world, that's 1.2% x 7 billion. Even with some level of unnatural fertility "control," human pops might still keep creeping ever upwards. Why should we not use the advancing technologies to cope, ADAPT as world steadily grows denser?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
Why is it that most every "sex ed" program that the evil lib-tards promote, always seems to encourage young people to indulge in sex? I agree with that, to a point. If they are responsible enough and ready to marry first, so as to properly prepare for natural stable parenthood duties. I do agree with welcoming a larger proportion of the world's now "huge" and fast-growing pops to enjoy being sexually active, but without "birth control," allowing human life to spread freely "unchecked."
pronatalist 1 month ago
@vgman94
My old Church got ahold of some local sex ed video, and it was something of a scandal, we thought it inappropriate to use in our schools. Some cartoon drawing of a young guy, his penis fast getting stiff, so he sticks it right into his girlfriend's vagina and starts doing it. Of course that is the correct biological response. Not to spill the human seed, but to allow human life to freely spread. But where's the morality? Where's the stable family nest, to receive children that result?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@DarkZholt
You did know, it wasn't all that long ago, that a computer literally did fill an entire room? But now, such a computer of hot vacuum tubes, is so "last century." Such computers could only be afforded by universities or the gov. Come to think of it, farms seem rather quaint. People could build parking deck stacked buildings, with artificial sun lamps powered by "cold fusion" reactors, on Mars. But it wouldn't be affordable, unless robots built the buildings, like on The Jetsons.
pronatalist 2 months ago