Nurburgring 2009 Webber onboard start

[4evermassa]

its one of the incidents with nobody to blame..

[SebbyHaughtonf1]

"Here it is now & he's away" Point out the obvious ther Martin :P...

[Naganiet200]

webber = bad starter

[clio2fast]

@Naganiet200 hamilton bad start jejeje

[TheRapBoy2]

yees, all that webber and vettel do are racing incident, like vettel at spa the previous year and webber at marina bay, where he hits Hamilton...cheaters

[reiny6474]

@TheRapBoy2 um actually, at singapore webber held his line hamilton gave him no room, so they touched, so then what do u think mark should of done, disappear????

[TheRapBoy2]

@reiny6474 ok, webber could brakes , after Hamilton's overtake. Hamilton was clearly in front of webber, so webber, if he was fair, he will left Hamilton in his race...so, am i right?? and you dont say nothing about vettel at spa, stupid driver, Hamilton is the best.

[reiny6474]

@TheRapBoy2 u talking about here in germany or singapore??? with vettels car u could see that the front wing was vibrating badly so u dont but he might of tried to do a fast overtaking manouver but the wing was broken so he lost control and crashed, i dont know but that might be one of the reason, and no doubt that hamilton can race, but he needs to learn when look after tyres and stuff like that, and not be so aggressive that he crashes into people or crashes out himself

[TheRapBoy2]

@reiny6474 Ok, he is the most aggresive driver, but now he understand it and be more cooler..;)

[reiny6474]

@TheRapBoy2 hopefully he has, if he is able to keep his agreesion down, look after the tyres and fuel more and has a good car, then hes going to be a really good driver, and who knows maybe even win another championship or two

[TheRapBoy2]

@reiny6474 i believe he will win and others championships, and this do the Hamilton the best..his aggresion, if he don't be like this, he will be like the others drivers;)

[TheRabbitor]

Lewis Hamilton is the more spectacular driver in f1 today.

[Shumacher5]

Proof that it was Webber's fault? What the hell? Mark keeps the same line the whole way down the straight, Lewis drove into him, it's pretty fucking clear.

[RGbarggie]

Racing Incident.

[lifethelifetoday]

I hate Hamilton for life but this is just Webber which can't move because Barrichello is there and who has to move because Hamilton comes.

[OSORIOO]

@lifethelifetoday Je moet je kanker moeder haten man, laffe kanker hollander, je hebt geen reden om hem tehaten.. Tu maricon chinga su madre!

[lifethelifetoday]

@OSORIOO Ik heb wel een reden om hem te haten vieze lul ga over je eigen moeder praten ofzo je weet niks dus en je gaat nu stil zijn

[OSORIOO]

@lifethelifetoday Wat is jou reden dan ?.

[schroeder1112]

This year i will be there, one more time :-D. My "seats" (it´s on the big green) are at the DRS Zone in front of the chicane, wounderful, good places for very less money ;-) (only 90 € for 4 days of action!)

[blainyrules]

How does that prove that it was Webber's fault when you can see Hamilton misjudge moving in front of him?

[pauljh74]

@blainyrules That's exactly how I saw it - Hamilton tried to cut across the front of Webber and moved over too early - as a result he finished a lap down

[jimnebob]

For those that think this is a racing incident... Agreed.

For those that think is its Webbers fault... How? He turned right twice just before hamilton moved across his front wing. Not once did Webber move left.

If you are driving straight down the motorway, and car changes lane quickly infront and clips your bumper... is it your fault or theirs? Agreed motorsport is different... which is why it is just a racing incident...

[x420Raptor1]

@jimnebob So you clearly cant see that the track dips down to the right.. meaning if Lewis didnt move slightly to the right, he wouldve been on the grass... even though he was AHEAD.

[jimnebob]

@x420Raptor1

0:07 Lewis moved across before the 'dip' in the track... the track was still straight.

So you think it was Webbers fault? should have moved over to the right huh?! Just after he got a wack from Barachello on the right..? lol

[x420Raptor1]

@jimnebob Sorry i should clarify, im not saying its anybodies fault, becasue it IS a racing incident, and a bit of bad luck after such a great start. But you cant blame Lewis for "moving over to the right" he had to move there, he had no chance, this is F1, not WRC and actually the track goes to the right slightly as he was passing, so he really had no choice.

But then again, you wouldnt know because youve never been to this track so you havent seen the gradient of it or the direction.

[jimnebob]

@x420Raptor1

Can you read... I will quote my post "For those that think this is a racing incident... Agreed."

So WTF are you banging on about??? If you agree it was a racing accident, then you agree, so why the need to complain??

Do you actually understand 'gradient', because the track going to the right is NOT gradient. LOL

Also, the track doesn't 'go to the right' at the point he passed. And Lewis had at least another half a cars width to the left, 0:09.

[jimnebob]

@x420Raptor1

Maybe you should review the track map, and see at which point the track curves to the right.

Also, the bare facts are, Webber was being over taken. Webber was being banged on the left by Rubens. Webber was driving straight. Lewis move to the right. Lewis had space to his left. ERGO NOT WEBBERS FAULT!!! Now go away and actually open your eyes next time and read my post (each word!) before you embaress yourself!!

[jimnebob]

@x420Raptor1

Correction: Webber was being banged on the *right* by Rubens.

[toodsf1]

@x420Raptor1 Hami had about 2 car widths to his left

[Nigel5uk]

@rexuro64 nice english

[rasvial]

I really just see this as an incident on track.. does someone have to be at fault every time? Webber was sandwiched into the braking zone, and hamilton had a car very good on the brakes meaning he rode a little deeper, past the braking webber, who had to yield the inside line to a godlike brawn car. Webber accepting that the brawn was through was simply trying to hold a straight braking line to maximize brake performance- blame the wing, not the driver..

[hamiltonfan4eva]

OH!!! again! Mark Webber running into hamilton :(

[reiny6474]

@hamiltonfan4eva lolz hamilton fan!!!!

[masterkartvideos]

yeah the brawn gp's ... =)

[toons123]

Hahaha I love how some think that it was not Webber's fault, ignoring the fact that Webber himself apologised afterwards for ruining Hamilton's race.

[reiny6474]

@toons123 yeah cause he hadnt seen the replay of event and cause he's a man with sportsmanship unlike hamilton, who just carshes into anyone he sees.

[Miggeex]

Hamilton didn't have too much to lose at that point of the season so good try :D I think he missed the braking zone becouse of webbers touch and it took his focus away from braking. Good start but bad luck with the lines.

[rexuro64]

lol i think hamilton drived to corner too fast and he braked too hard that he didnt get able to steer

[garethkielty]

@rexuro64 what is wrong with you...he touched webbers car which resulted in a puncture so he couldnt slow the car down

[droidbait]

@rexuro64 hardly, hamilton was braking fine and as he came across into the corner webber just nicked his tyre and deflated it. nothing to do with hamilton entering the corner too fast or outbraking himself.

[MegaSparky555]

And that's what you get for outbraking yourself into the first turn-thanks Hamilton for the demonstration.

[F1JOSH1297]

@MegaSparky555 He hardly outbraked himself; his timing for the corner was fine but Webber deflated his tyre

[2aloos]

hamilton's so dumb...

[einfachicke88]

und dann sagen Schumi fährt unfair in Ungarn tzzzzzzz

[Brayds]

And he still won, fuck yeah Webber!!

[MistrzKubica]

I agree with RFresh41

[RFresh41]

Calling this a 'collision' is an over-reaction, when you're three-wide it's bound to happen, not really anyone's fault. It could have been much worse.

[betsiej]

Thanks for posting that MclarenGooner, i was about to put in the same.

[MclarenGooner10]

How many times Mark screws up Lewis oh let me name some times:

1.Monaco 2007

2.Germany 2009

3.Australia 2010

4.Monza 2010

5.Singapore 2010

[geetphuck]

@MclarenGooner10 lewis took himself out on a ferrari in monza 2010.....

[MclarenGooner10]

@geetphuck I Meant in Qualifying when he blocked Lewis who was on his last flying lap costing him top 3 slot in quali and Guess what Mark's final lap was enough to put him ahead of Lewis,what a sneaky bastard

[MclarenGooner10]

@geetphuck Oh yeah if you're wondering about the Monaco 2007situation,that was in Qualifying as well he was holding up Lewis through Portier and Mirabeau and at the beginning of the Tunnel thus costing him Pole Position,Costing him the possible win and therefore one of the factors costing him the title that year.

[TheKnoppersVidz]

@MclarenGooner10 hamilton fucked it up hid own. if your 20points in the lead with 3 races to go, you literally got the WC handed to you already...

[MclarenGooner10]

@TheKnoppersVidz Well did you expect Lewis to win the title easily from that position and him being a Rookie in that year.It was always going to be tough for him and he realised that he could become the first driver ever in F1 history to win the title in their first year in F1 battlimh drivers like Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen(Top class drivers,two of the best in the business) yes that was the outcome at the end but yeah Lewis won it a year later

[MclarenGooner10]

@TheKnoppersVidz Well did you expect Lewis to win the title easily from that position and him being a Rookie in that year.It was always going to be tough for him and he realised that he could become the first driver ever in F1 history to win the title in their first year in F1 battling drivers like Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen(Top class drivers,two of the best in the business) yes that was the outcome at the end but yeah Lewis won it a year later

[FOSSO15]

@MclarenGooner10

you forgot Monza 2008, he almost fucked up hamilton car with his stupid late braking in the main straight.

[Burns169]

@MclarenGooner10 how did mark screw up hamilton in monza 2010? hamilton took a risk with the ferrari and lost out, webber was nowhere to be seen idiot!

[MclarenGooner10]

@Burns169 Yeah read my comment below that says:

'I Meant in Qualifying when he blocked Lewis who was on his last flying lap costing him top a 3 slot in quali and Guess what Mark's final lap was enough to put him ahead of Lewis'

Whos the idiot now!!!

[mrbtree]

@MclarenGooner10 um u sure about monza 2010 because webber stuffed his start like he usually does and the contact was with massa not webber

[nachospole1]

@MclarenGooner10 how many times has hamilton screwed up peoples races what about monaco and montreal this year he ran into pastor,button so I fail to realy see the point you are making.

[Taorero]

Seriously, this is no ones fault. Hamilton was just unlucky to have clipped Webbers front wing. If it were Ayrton Senna who clipped Hamilton I'm sure nobody would be complaining as it was fair racing from all.

[M1N1K0B3]

Is Webber obsessed with crashing and hitting Hamilton. That is 5 times now since 2007. There are more but i can't remember them...

[luggi1807]

2 collisions in one straight XD

[tommyboy331]

just an unlucky racing incident. No ones really at fault. They were 3 wide...those things happen when ur 3 wide entering a corner...

[MclarenGooner10]

Lewis could of been on the podium that race, Oh well thats Racing you just have to move on!!!

[FRFM00]

webber always FUCKS up people's races.

REAL RACERS who want to win the race in a car that has no business winning a race. yet he has the best car when he does it

[TobHussey]

@FRFM00 Are you est homosexual?

[FRFM00]

@TobHussey no and im not interested stop sending me homosexual come-ons or I will block you

[rodhavji]

hey all you fuckwits. its called a racing incident. get over it internet warriors.

[ferrariman11]

hamilton is shit anyway

[polo424242]

@ferrariman11 he's better than fernando. he beat your guy in his rookie season. two time beat buy a rookie. dude ferrari need to sort out their and they need to do it quickly

[ferrariman11]

@polo424242 i hate alonso his shit and rude it raikkonen, massa and webber i like not alonso

[FRFM00]

@ferrariman11 get a life

[puddingpants7]

@ferrariman11 He's clearly one of the best in the field. Could you say anything more pointless? you ferrari fan wanker.

[MclarenGooner10]

the exact thing that happened between Vettel and Webber in Turkey today but this one wasnt as big

[ferrariman11]

@MclarenGooner10 it was vettels fault at turkey everyone say

[FRFM00]

Webber has fucked Hamilton so many times

unintentionally blocking him in qualifying Monaco 2007

trying to blame him for his crash in Japan 2007

Australia 2010 last laps

this start 2009 after hitting another car

[ocsif111]

dirty webber

[madmarco245]

His wing punctured Hamilton's tyre. So what?

[MrMotorsportsFanatic]

The only thing this proved was that it was just too hard to contend with that beast of a car that is the RB5

[vittoriobaky]

While I believe both contacts Webber made in this start were unintentional and probably not deserving a penalty, he should really be more careful when he's got other cars around him. Fuji 2008 (nearly pushing Massa into the wall) and Brazil 2009 (closing on Kimi while he was overtaking) also come to mind.Especially because he's so active when it comes to driver safety-he should be the first to drive safe. If he can correct this problem of his he'll be a force to reckon with in the championshipss

[aussiepassion]

This video - which was shown on the BBC and was surely available to the stewards - makes it very difficult to understand why Mark was given a d/t. Oh well, just made his victory greater!

[Pimagra]

look in 0:09 is crash with front wing of mark webber

[MclarenGunner09]

something felt off lewis's Mclaren probably something to do with the Rear Suspension or with the rear tyre that led to Lewis going wide and getting the puncture

[MclarenGunner09]

0:07 If webber didnt Deflated Lewis's Tyre Lewis Would had Probably won the Race or 3rd Place

[jbjetairways]

luckily he finished 18th!!!

[bigraikkonenfan5]

webber makes too many dirty moves !

[jbjetairways]

hammy makes the wrong sorts of starts always!!! :P !!!

[starhT]

he is just very aggresive thats all : )

[hell5torm]

why do people keep saying that hamilton blew it at the nurburgring? he didnt, it wasnt his fault, it was hardly webbers fault either,

if rubens had ended up with the puncture would it rubens have thrown it away? no. it wasnt hamiltons fault, hamilton haters are just trying to make him seem shit!

[YelromTv]

yeh it wasnt webbers fault, and anyway i dnt care about that incident with hamilton. does any1 remember in fuji 2007 when he like stopped under a safety car which meant that webber had to stop which then meant vettel crashed into the back of him.

[dragon2712]

I definitely do. Backing a pack up in the wet like was seriously stupid.

[lolhalse]

Fantastic onboard footage. From onboard it's hard to see why he was given the dtp. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it - it was fairly borderline. That, and similar start line shenanigans have been completely ignored by the stewards in recent races.

Hamilton was a touch reckless, or optimistic... albeit unlucky, and Webber was fortunate to just have his front wing end-fence knocked off.

[hell5torm]

why was hamilton in the wrong? is it wrong to try make up places a the start? is it wrong to use kers to make up places when you have it to use? e did nothing wrong, he was unlucky after getting a good start.

why do you put him down for trying? f1 would be pretty boring if no1 tried anything because it might be a little reckless or optimistic.

ever overtaking move is reckless and optimistic

[ferrariman11]

@hell5torm hamilton isnt in the wrong but nither with mark webber it should of been barricalio who got the penilty for squezing webber into mamilton and if you look barricalio hit webber before webber hit hamilton

[Anime998877]

So it's excusable because it's good to watch??

I bet if it was vettel or alonso you wouldn't be saying that..

[forthedark]

hope he gets his medicine back!

[M5PowerM3Power]

yea go webber :) you awesome boy

[nitroboost8765]

@detheroc That was unintentional! It was fair racing by all three, although Lewis had his race ruined because of a slight contact with Webber's front wing......

[randomnkbr]

The white line moves across Webber's nose from left to right, because he's steering left to avoid Barichello. Hamilton goes parallel to the white line, dead straight.

[specdecible]

wasnt webbers fault that hamilton got a flat tyre, if anything it was hamilton who drove into webber as you can see from the steering webber was actually moving slightly right at the time

[jraybay]

Give me a break Hamilton is going straight! How is webber moving slightly right with barrichello right beside him? He's left more room for barri in the video meaning he drifted left clipping lewis with the larger nose of the 2009 car. if this was 08 the wing might not have cut lewis rear. also webber wouldn't be upfront xD .

[specdecible]

ha ha lol you seriously need to watch the video again closely if thats what you think, there was no way in hell Hamilton was going straight at the POI

If Hamilton was going straight he would have gone off the track before the 1st corner, are you aware of the layout of the Nurburging?

[jraybay]

No I don't you need to watch it again. How is there no way in hell he is not going straight? it's a heavy braking zone there in for the first corner. Hamilton is going straight and he moves out wide after webber cuts his tire knowing he has to make the turn. But you can see Webber has no room because of barri inside. watch webbers car with the pit exit white line and follow it. It's a racing incident no ones fault . are you aware that you're talking sh*t?

[specdecible]

The layout of the nurburgring has a right kink before turn 1 thats when hamilton moved across (if he didnt he would have gone off the tack) thats where the incident happens. You can clearly see by Webbers steering input that he is turning right and yet Hamiltons car manages to come across and nip the front wing. As to your comment that i am talking a load of rubbish is far from the truth and i see it as a sign of weakness from your part that you dont have enough confidence in your own analysis

[jraybay]

I know the layout. They already passed the kink though and were braking for the turn. As I mentioned before Ham put his car in position to make the turn but webber being sandwiched trying to give room for barrichello and the 09 front wing results in hams cut rear. It's a racing incident but I see you as a hamilton hater and a webber fan trying to blame lewis....typical -_- .

[drumswack]

I do agree with you that it's not Webber's fault. It is a racing incident, but it is very obvious that Hamilton was trying to get in front of webber before the first corner, and he just sliced his tire, if he had move right a little later, his tire wouldn't have sliced. But don't worry, these Hamilton fanboys are in denial! And it's very obvious that jraybay is a fanboy himself, he needs to take off his fanboy goggles!

[puddingpants7]

@drumswack Shutup webber fanboy.

[drumswack]

@puddingpants7 HAHA!! Hamilton fanboy... How typical

[puddingpants7]

@drumswack HAHA I'm not actually a Hamilton fanboy you wanker.

[drumswack]

@puddingpants7 THEN WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE OF RESPONDING TO MY COMMENT???? Where in my comment did I bash Hamilton and glorify Webber for you to assume that am I a Webber fanboy? Its idiots like you that try to start shit and try to waste people's time...

[puddingpants7]

@drumswack Youre pretty confrontational yourself. We'll leave it at your not a Hamilton fan. I jumped to conclusions apologies. Stfu.

[drumswack]

@puddingpants7 We're going to leave it at I don't care for any particular F1 driver. My apologies as well for assuming you were a Hamilton fan. But who tells someone to STFU after apologizing? It just doesn't make any sense....

[puddingpants7]

@drumswack You had caps lock on like its a major big deal and accuse me of trying to start shit to waste peoples time. I barely wrote anything. I said "shutup webber fanboy" because I *assumed* you were a hardcore webber fan, It's my mistake, yes. relax would be better than "stfu" again my apologies sorry.

[drumswack]

@puddingpants7 Okay, my fault for the caps lock. I didn't mean for it to come off that way.

[puddingpants7]

@drumswack It came off like an immature reply and I was thinking "take a look at yourself" and I Overreacted. its not big deal. good race for webber and Hamilton at spa so we both can cheer lol see you around.

[nachospole1]

yes webber driffted left but at the same time he had know where to go he was stuck in the middle and hamilton was taking a big risk anyway going around the outside so u cant blame anyone it's a racing incedent cause as people know these wings are very wide and u cant c them

[MclarenGunner09]

So you're Blaming the F1 car Regulations which supposed to improve Overtaking on the Whole Lewis Incident at the Nurburing of course it werent lewis's fault or webbers but i do Agree if were the 2008 front wing the whole incident wouldnt have occured

[jraybay]

Yes...ok .

[Killerkarpfen1990]

Well and if it would have rained to heave the race wouldn't have been started and there would have been no crash. Seriously it's easy to agrue about this but the driver has to make decisions in a very short time and we don't have the right to blame them in any way. So I agree with you, noone has fault of this accident.