The Prosperity Preacher Powerslam 1: God's View of Prosperity or Man's?

[oneness978]

Croadwarriorrrrrrr preach it brother!!!

[sweetassuzy]

U study nothing but what u want to see...The reason why your not blessed with earthly riches is, u have a big head and God could not entrust u with such things...u are already FULL OF YOURSELF!!! your gospel is your gospel.. seriously dude go and study under Joesph Prince and get set free from your poverty dirt bag mentality!!! AMERICA has become religious...thank God for the land down under that arnt afraid to stand up for whats right!!!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Actually, I study many things. Who told you I am not blessed witht earthly riches? Are you assuming what you have no actual knowledge of? Are you further assuming about my alleged "big head"? I am far from "full of myself," and it's sad you can't see that. I would rather study under Charles Stanley, who has more Biblical education and experience that Mr. Prince. And how many times do I have to make a point before you LISTEN? I am NOT advocating poverty. I advocate the truth.

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy And that truth is the pure and unadulterated and undistorted Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Now, if you can't get that, then you can't get anything, and you will merely hear or see what you want, not matter what the Bible says, or what passages I post. But what you will indeed learn is that you don't need God to be "blessed" with material things. The devil has PLENTY of rich folks going to hell. And even Jesus said it very clearly that it was HARD for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Why? Because they tend to TRUST their riches instead of God.

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy So, if you will not listen and insist that you know so much having really studied little, then I'm afraid you cannot post to my pages any longer.

[sweetassuzy]

u know what, i live in australia! and the gospel where ever it is preached automatically brings increase into every area of your life!...unless of course u are preaching a different gospel that is of the devil, u know the one where he wants u broke, sick and depressed!!!!!! SORRY MATE TOO LATE FOR US DOWN UNDER, CAUSE WE ARE EXPECTING NOTHING BUT GODS AWESOME BEST!!! OH AND ITS HERE AND INCREASING DAILY AMEN!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Actually, that is not true. The Gospel of Jesus the Christ is about saving us from sin, not about how large our savings account on earth is. God gave His awsome best at Calvary, and that wasn't pretty, and it didn't involve earthly riches. Have you never read James 2:5?

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior Well actually u havent rightly divided the WORD OF TRUTH! cause last time i looked at my bible, it says in JOHN 10.10.. that the thief satan comes to kill steal and destroy, but I came that u might have live and have it more ABUNDANTLY ( till it overflows) ... now i dont know about your way of thinking but if i have just enough for me, how can i be a BLESSING to those in need? and where is the witness in that?...My God is an EXTRAVAGANT GOD, who simply just wants us to BELIEVE!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy There's nothing here to "rightly divide." James 2:5 is quite simple and easy to understand in its context. You can be poor in this world (broke) and yet rich in faith. You, however, have read into John 10:10 something it doesn't necessarily say. You can be blessing to those in need by giving them the Gospel that saves their souls, which costs you nothing and means everything to them. THAT is how you can bless them the most. And then there is that word "sacrifice."

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior Deut. 15:10. You shall give generously to [your poor brother], and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. mmm..how is it, that GOD SAYS TO GIVE TO THE POOR! and GOD SAYS GIVE GENEROUSLY? u are so WRONG! u dont even believe in healing? wow how do account for so many scriptures that declare we are the healed! PSALMS 103..HE HEALETH ALL THY DISEASES!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy You are making my point precisely. How can you give generously to the poor if they don't exist because everyone is so "blessed" with abundance? Who said I don't believe in healing?

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior u take one scripture and twist it to mean what u want it to mean!..u would be better off, getting off this utube and, stop judging Good Men and Women of God!...something isnt right in your head...cause john 10, 10 means exactly what it says! how can anyone say that unless they were in some weirdo cult..like the word of doubt and do without poverty sect???? please tell me your not one of those freakin fruities?

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Listen, I have been born again since 1983. I have been seriously studying the Bible for over 20 years, and unlike Copeland and Price in this video, I have taken the time to actually learn the original languages of the Bible to understand it better and not make the interpretation errors that they do make. I am not the one doing the twisting. THEY ARE, and I demonstrate that in my series. So, I would suggest you learn something from the series and learn where the true cult lies.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior Also try preaching that poverty gospel to the mothers in Africa, who dont have enough to feed their beautiful babies!!! i would rather go to them with food and clothing and help, than to say, look im broke but bless u anyway!!!! that is a slap in GODS FACE!!!! and not to mention the millions of souls who can be brought in to the kingdom of God, because of HIS ABUNDANT GOODNESS....God is not HARD UP! AND WE HIS CHILDREN SHOULD BE BELIEVING FOR HIS BEST! OTHERWISE WE ARE SELFISH!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy I don't believe in a "poverty gospel" but I also don't believe in a "health and wealth gospel." Neither extreme is Biblical. You can be joyful in God while broke, and you can be joyful in God while rich, but how much we have in this life should not dictate that joy. You don't have to be rich to bless people with some food and clothing, and you can be rich and without God and help people in Africa as well. God isn't hard up, but He's more concerned with souls than flesh.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior im sorry but yours is not THE GOOD NEWS!!!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy No, actually it is. Jesus didn't say "I came to save you from physical poverty." When Jesus was born, He was given the name "Jesus," and it goes on to say, "for he shall save his people from their sins." (Matt. 1:21). It doesn't say "for He shall save his people from their poverty."  THAT is the Good News, that we can be saved from our sins, from death, hell and the grave. You also seem to forget what Jesus said about gaining the "whole world" and losing what? Material theings?

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior The word in Hebrew for salvation is Yahshu`ah, which is feminine. The masculine version of this is Yahshu`a, the name of Jesus. Both words, come from the word "yasha'" to save, which comes from the word for "to be open, wide". Like the Greek, Yahshu`ah (salvation) implies the healing of the entire person, by opening up to the Lord....However, there is more

to salvation than simply receiving an invitation to heaven. It involves completness for THE SPIRIT SOUL AND BODY!!!!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy It's nice to be able to look up words in the original languages, but we need to also keep Scripture in context. Jesus' main purpose at birth was to save His people from SIN. Salvation involves completeness but does not promise us the kind of "prosperity" that you apparently believe based on the false teachings of the Copelands and Prices.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior listen, the true gospel is reaching the lost? my heart is for that, but i cant handle all the haters that just put crap on men and women of God! and lose sight of what they are here for...Sometimes the church plays holy ghost cop! ... and last time i seen in the word! Jesus said to preach the good news? not judge and condem what we dont understand!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Great! Nothing wrong with reach the lost, but we must reach them with the pure Gospel, not a distorted one. Jesus is our model, not any human minister. The ones I deal with have strayed from the faith and I point that out according to Scripture (1 Jhn 4:1; 1 Thess. 5:21). Jesus clearly said to "judge righteous judgment" in John 7:24, which means we need to do that. Being discerning is Scriptural. It is because I understand the pure Gospel that I speak out.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior pure Gospel? i only think Jesus would have preached that! your still a man with faults and not even u would be perfect in it! rather quite obvious to me!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy You misunderstand what I mean by "pure Gospel." Pure meaning theologically pure according to the clearly written Word of God in the Bible. My point is, anything that is distorting the Gospel, like the doctrines of Price and others, is not pure. Jesus came to set us free from bondage to sin, not so that we can drive around in Rolls Royces and brag about it. THAT is not the pure Gospel. That is a distortion.

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy This prosperity "gospel" has your mind and interpretations so twisted that you don't even seem to know the heart of the Gospel.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior no its the Gospel of Grace i follow! ... As it is written, He [the benevolent person] scatters abroad; He gives to the poor; His deeds of justice and goodness and kindness and benevolence will go on and endure forever! ...No u dont know the heart of the Gospel?...i can tell u for starters, its not sitting back on utube with a prideful spirit ( which is all over u) and acting like your some king who knows it all!...its getting the lost into the kingdom of God! ...really sad to see

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Sorry, but what you need is a little humility and discernment. First of all, you don't know me as a person, and you are not even trying to here. So to say I have a "prideful spirit" and that it is 'all over u' is both silly, ignorant and nonsense. I never claimed to "know it all," but after the years of study I've done, I do know something. And I use Youtube to reach the lost for the Kingdom with the true Gospel of peace. What's really sad is that you can't see that.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior When Jesus died on that cross HE DIED FOR ALL OUR SINS HE TOOK ALL OUR DISEASES! HE DONE A COMPLETE WORK AT CALVERY! HE DIDNT HALF DO IT!...Im believing for the best, and not anything less!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy And so does that mean we never get sick or die physically? No, because even the Bible does not support that idea. Believe for the best, but the best does not always mean in this world's terms. Sometimes the best is the widow's mite when others give millions. Jesus commended HER giving, not the giving of those who had abundance, as I pointed out in the video. So just make sure your conception of "best" comes from Jesus.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior Now i didnt say we never get sick and die, it is appointed for man to die, but not until we have lived out our calling and stood on the word PSALMS 91 says WITH LONG LIFE HE WILL SATISFY US!!!! and as for sickness i dont deny it!. BUT I DENY ITS RIGHT TO STAY ON MY BODY!!..Galations 3.13 says we are redeemed from the curse of the law!..so i am not going to sit back and sing Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be...No Im going to fight and declare the victory that is my right!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy Psalm 91 is making a general statement in poetic form. It is not a blanket promise to all people for all time, as should be obvious from the context. Sickness and death is part of this fallen creation. Galatians 3:13 is speaking in context about how a person is justified before God, and that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law SO THAT we may be justified before God in salvation by faith. This is not about some kind of "name it and claim it" healing.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior .either we are redeemed from the curse of the law or we are not...GO STUDY YOUR BIBLE AND SEE WHAT CAME UNDER THAT CURSE!!!  sickness was one of those things...MY BIBLE TELLS ME JESUS IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER...HEY MATE U CAN STAY SICK AND BROKE, BUT DONT PREACH THAT TO SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HEALED WHO HAS BEEN BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE!!!!!!!.. CAUSE YOUR word of doubt and do without gospel came a little late for me...IVE BEEN SAVED BY GRACE NOT YOUR law...

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy We are saved from the curse of the law. And I study the Bible in detail, far beyond what Copeland and Price do because I actually take the time to learn the original languages. I never claimed to preach a "sick" and "broke" Gospel, but the Jesus I know from the Bible came to set us free from SIN, not guarantee us a large bank account. Funny you should mention the law, when these false teachers normally appeal to the OLD Testament to argue for earthly riches.

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy The Jesus of the Bible bids us to store up treasures IN HEAVEN, not on earth, where moth and rust corrupts, and where theives break in and steal. Forgot about that passage in Matthew 6:19,20? Not that we can't have things, but Jesus made it VERY clear throughout the New Testament that it's about spiritual salvation mainly, not material blessings on this earth. When you lose that focus, you lose the pure Gospel.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior u seriously sound like you have a rather large LOG in your eye???????????

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy No, there is no log in my eye. I just know that the "Gospel" taught by Copeland and Price is a distorted one.

[sweetassuzy]

@CRoadwarrior 1 John 3:17. But whoever has the world's goods, and beholds his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?...mmmm its not just talking the talk, its walking the walk???? GODS WORD MATE!

[CRoadwarrior]

@sweetassuzy And I agree. But where does it say in that text you must be 'rich' or live in 'lavish abundance' to do what it says?

[lunabranwen]

1 Tim 6:3-10 is a good scripture that sheds a lot of light.

[cubed07]

Awesome video man

[gnosticwarrior70]

um, no, just stop... you have just narrowed your audience spectrum with this personna... oh well

[CRoadwarrior]

um, no, that is just your invalid opinion with no basis in any facts, gnosticwarrior70.

[webonweb7]

That's the idea. Jesus said that only a FEW find the path to Heaven. It IS a narrow one, and it's true - these prosperity preachers are teaching people to put bushel baskets on their lap ---- AND --- not to concerned about those who are suffering and without, but "hand them a pole". The early church in Acts SOLD properties they had -- whatever it would take to make sure no one went without. Good job on this video!!!!

[ninjabiskit]

Just of out interest allmighty Preacher, How can you prove the Bible as fact with out "faith". To me it's just another Harry Potter book.

[CRoadwarrior]

ninjabiskit. There is nothing "almighty" about the warrior, since God is the only almighty. As for proving the Bible as fact, this video is not on that topic. But you might want to check out some of the evidence found in the book "Is the Bible True?" by Jeffery Sheler. That's a good place to start. Then try "The Stones Cry Out" by Randall Price.

[gneisenau321]

Is Joel Osteen a prosperity preacher?

[CRoadwarrior]

gneisenau321...As far as I can tell, it seems he is a different kind of prosperity preacher. He seems to have a gift of encouragement, but as I told someone in my city, he needs to balance his message out with preaching about God's judgment for sin, since no one in the Bible, including Jesus Himself, only encouraged people. His message is lopsided and unbalanced.

[CRoadwarrior]

So, ninjabiskit, what you will find is that the Bible is nothing like "Harry Potter." In fact, that's not even a fair comparison.

[gneisenau321]

Great video series. Prosperity preaching is nothing but a false cult. Maybe you could address Marian doctrines next.

[sweetassuzy]

@ninjabiskit oh its more than a harry potter book! ...GODS WORD IS ALIVE AND FULL OF POWER! HAS THE ABILITY TO HEAL SET FREE, AND PROSPER EVERY AREA OF YOUR LIFE!...ONCE U HAVE TASTED OF THIS, U WILL NEVER TURN BACK...I DARE U!!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

If you don't have anything of substance to say, dont' say anything at all. And if you can only sing it and not bring it, then you should keep your mouth shut.

[CRoadwarrior]

LOL.

[biblethink]

I couldn't believe my ears when heard Fred Price say that the Lord's prayer is not for today and Christians should not pray the Lord's prayer. Who in their right mind would council people not use the Lord's prayer? I admit before I heard this teaching I didn't use the Lord's prayer much, but since a false teacher was saying don't use it, I've decided to incorporated it into my daily prayer life and it has been rewarding.

[Tonloc1986]

Wow. It's amazing how some want to distort who God really is to fit their own wants and needs, even in some cases believers do this as well. Since when did God ever need anything from us? They are essentially saying that God's sovereignty depends upon the well being of human beings. That couldn't be more false, as if God was limited in this way, then God should be limited in other ways dependent upon imperfect men. Jesus death would mean nothing in this in way. Great video Warrior. God bless! ;)

[GiacomcC]

Part of being a Christian is being rich, thats what chistianianty is all about. Read you Bible, Money is good and you need it to live. If you love to have money and you shouldn't say bad things about prosperity gospel. If you gots lot of money you don't have to pray as much and bother god cause you got more of your needs met, Its that simple.

[CRoadwarrior]

What? Did you not pay attention to what Jesus said about the POOR widow?? Christianity is not "all about" being "rich." You have no Biblical basis for such a wild statement. Over and over, Jesus condemned the rich for their trust in riches instead of God.

[GiacomcC]

I herd someone on TV say that the POOR widow got rich after she sowed her seed.

[CRoadwarrior]

LOL...That is speculation. The point is, the woman was poor, and Jesus highlighted HER giving, not those of the rich.

[alamo11]

Obviously Copeland never knew you were in California, otherwise he would never set foot in that state

[CRoadwarrior]

alamo11, I believe the show was recorded in Copeland's home town, as Price is visiting him. Regardless, this false prosperity "gospel" is goin down.

[gneisenau321]

Great to see you again Warrior! Its been a while!

[bignastydragon]

according to the bible jesus really went in for the poor (materially) being rich (spiritually).

i have to say that i agree with you on this, 5 stars. they are going completely against what they should be believing to be christians. those 2 are hypocrites and likely are only preachers for the money, i dislike hypocrites far more than fundies.

but along side this, i will call you out if you distort the passages, but i'm certain you wont have to at all for these guys.

[CRoadwarrior]

Well, bignasty, if you think this is bad, wait til you see what's coming up next from these guys. And what makes it so sad is that I doubt very much if either of them can admit being wrong on this, even when they can be proved wrong. One of my favorite passages is Ecclesiastes 4:13. See if you can guess why.