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  • "A Rainbow Coalition". I'm pretty sure that sounds more like the name of a Pride Alliance than anything...

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  • Come on, people! Don't you see? They're taking away your choice to give other people choices! The advocates want to change the way I live, in some unspecified but deeply ominous way!

    ...WHICH SIDE AM I TALKING ABOUT?! AHM SO SCURRED!

  • A rainbow coalition.

    That's actually hilarious. Don't they realise what the rainbow symbol usually stands for?

  • Yes, they're taking away your freedom by living a lifestyle entirely separate from yours, let's oppress them by taking away their rights to marriage.

    STOP ABUSING YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND MAKING US ALL LOOK LIKE BIGOTED IDIOTS.

  • I think you've failed when fully hetrosexual people think you're idiots...

  • GAAAAYY PEOPLE ARE FALLING FROM THE SKY RUN!

  • @Hollowulm It's RAAAAAAAAAINING MEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!

  • HEY rainbows r our symbol u don't c us making a watermellon coalition against black marriage lol jk this is so overkill that it's actually funny

  • They're forming a rainbow coalition! That's not at all ironic!

  • honestly ¬¬

  • is youtube just full of more liberal people? I mean if the likes and dislikes represented peoples opinions, gay marriage would be legal. Maybe we should just use this instead of voting next time. :D

  • @leanah4994 dunno bout that since I "like" it since it's so damn epic fail <3

  • What's so great about this ad though, is that in only a few years the average American will look at it with disgust and shock and say 'Can you believe people actually THOUGHT that way back then!!?" -- and NOM will by that time be known as the hate-group that they are by even Conservative voters, and marriage EQUALITY will rule every state.

    I thank GOD for ads like this because they show how shallow and short-sighted the anti-gay industry is for making such trash.

  • Aw, isn't that beautiful, they're all coming togeth...WAAIT A MINUTE!

  • Definitely most bothered by the comment made by the mother angry that her son is being taught that being gay is "OK".

    How foolish were we! We should have taught that being gay was shameful, harmful, and wrong because that's what Jesus would have done, right? And we're supposed to live as Christ had lived: In fear, constantly judging people!

  • I would love to know how many of these hypocrites have solicited gay prostitutes in bathroom stalls.

  • rainbow coalition... seriously?

  • the storma isa cominga

  • @isakechaos U made me laugh so hard! i was seeing some sad youtube videos on this issue.... and then I read your comment, and my lungs came out xD greatings from portugal =)

  • NOM NOM NOM

  • Bat signal to Anonymous.

  • I live in Massachusetts where gays are treated like human beings, gay marriage is legal, and I don't see a cloud in the sky.

  • II love how there are more dislikes then likes. What kind of retard takes this absurd p.o.s. seriously?

  • right its obserd ... wow way to funny to be offensive

  • This is too hilarious to even be offensive.

  • The people in this video are gay.

  • Here's a hint...uhh...don't marry the same sex if you don't want to. Cool? Cool.

  • I am not gay, but I have gay friends. Fuck this hommophobic BULLSHIT and fucking realise gays deserve equal rights, morons.

  • @BCJEntertainment247 overreaction much?

    How about the initials. N.O.M. NOM. calm your ass down already. Jesus, you're as bad and annoying the people who agree with it.

  • They dislike gays because...pineapple. Thats as good a reason as any.

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  • In case you're too busy to watch this ad, here's a wee recap:

    "BAAAAAAAAWWWWW GAY PEOPLE CAN MARRY NOW I DON'T WANT GAY PEOPLE TO MARRY BECAUSE ITS ALL WEIRD AND STUFF AND ONLY OUR INTEPRETATION OF CHRISTIANS SHOULD MARRY BECAUSE...DERPITY DOO!!!!"

    There. Just saved you guys a minute of hate-spewing bullshit. You're welcome! :)

  • My freedom... will be taken away!

    My precious freedom to keep people that gross me out from marrying!

  • THEY WANT US TO EAT THAR PEWPEW! HALPZ!!!

    Jesus. This is so horrible I have a hard time believing it's a real thing!

  • OH THOSE CRAZY HOMOSEXUALS

    STEALIN OUR FREEDOMS

  • a rainbow coalition of people of all races, banding together to hate homos... could anything be more heartwarming?

  • This barely even made sense. That one girl that said, "And I am afraid," that's the issue right there. Fear. Get over it. Let gays marry. Love is nothing to be afraid of.

  • "They're changing the way I live my marriage"

    ..How is that, exactly? This ad keeps saying they're changing things, but I'm still not even sure what the hell they're even talking about.

  • @TehTyg13 -- NOM can't even tell you what they're talking about because they just HATE GAYS and are trying to think of an intelligent way to say it, but can't. This ad is the by-product of NOM's repeated inability to say something smart. The script of the ad itself is the kind of thing an EIGHT year old would come up with and while it's shocking that grown adults would let something like it even air, don't forget the embarrassment they'll suffer in the years to come when people look back at it.

  • NOM!

  • 0:41 is that the chick from Napoleon Dynamite?

  • If I was gay, I'd be shooting these cunts.

  • can't we flag this video as inappropriate due to an alarming amount of hate mongering?

  • "We have no choice, we're gonna have to marry a gay"

  • This is so stupid.

    Unless some gay guy is sexually assaulting me, stalking me, or doing something else along those lines, it really doesn't affect me in any way. And that goes for pretty much everyone else too.

    Idiots.

  • This is idiotic. These sheeple are bitching about civil rights laws that as far as I can tell have nothing whatever to do with marriage. I love how disingenuous people get in the name of their petty little gods and religious ideals.

  • This is crazy, they are the ones discriminating and taking away the freedoms that gays have. They want the right to discriminate against gays. I'm glad that prop 8 was overturned. I hope other states overturn the DOMA laws too.

  • The guy at the end is so gay.. My gaydar's going off the charts!!!

  • @vifgfg lol

  • I like Colbert's version :)

  • OMG teh gayzz are coming to get us haaaalp!

  • A Rainbow Coalition... Isn't that kinda gay?

  • bwhahahhahahha what a crock of $ hit.

  • Note to Maggie Gallagher, the whole "rainbow coalition" thing is kind of being used by another group so you might want to come up with something else. What a stupid commercial!

  • I was going to write a pissed-off comment, until I remembered that this group is called NOM. Then I thought of lolcats and I couldn't take this seriously.

  • How on earth is a doctor forced to choose between same-sex marriage and her job? She can't treat gay married people because her religion forbids medical assistance to gay married people??? C'mon, get real!

  • They aren't coming together in love, they are coming together to express their hate for another group of people they don't care to know the real truth about. We shouldn't question gays. We should question the Catholic religion mostly because it prays to a pope when it says in the Bible you only pray to God.

  • ...Rainbow coalition, huh?

  • their freedom taken away?! what about the freedom to love and marry who ever you want? isnt america suppose to be the land of the free?

  • He described them as a RAINBOW! FAIL!

  • I wonder how equality is supposed to take anyone's freedom away

  • NOM is an obnoxious hate group of homophobes who to much time on their hands. They pull shit out of their asses and tell people it's the truth. Maggie we all know the truth, you are a hateful bigot.

  • This is stupid as hell!. "They want to bring the issue into my life".. "I will have no choice". "My freedom will be taken away". "The storm is coming" PLEASE!!!!!!! WHY LETTING GAY COUPLES GET MARRIED CAN BE SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?. You have the right, why can't they?. Just because the bible... there's freedom to believe in this country. "I am california doctor who must choose between my faith and my job".. what?. No point!. Retarded!

  • Okay, i'm gonna say this once:

    THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH SAME SEX MARRAGE AND ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS A F**KING F****T!

    EVERY RELIGION IS A LIE AND ALL THE STUFF THEY SAY ABOUT GAYS BEING EVIL IS HORSES**T.

    WAKE UP AND SEE THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING GAY AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTED THIS COMMERICAL SHOULD BE EXECUTED FOR BEING A BIGGOT!!!!

  • love? Yeah right.

  • I can't believe this is a real commercial

  • wtf? that one woman is totally a lesbian. and i love how the "straight" people start talking about having rainbows in the end. hahahaha.

  • Rainbow Coalition! They're just afraid of coming out! They're in denial and want to take our freedom away. Let's stand for our rights and let freedom ring for EQUALITY FOR ALL!

  • How gay marriage affects streight people? is not like thy're gonna get cancer because of it, is it?

  • OH NO!!! they are going to make me witness them getting married and make me witness them being gay!!! OH NO!!! SO UN-GODLY!!! OH NO!!! My freedom to deny their freedom will be taken away!!! I WANT MY FREEDOM TO BE AN IGNORANT BIGOT!!! fuck the people who made this add

  • I like how Christians always use the word 'love' in place of hate.

  • Faggotstorm... you know, I have been trying to come up with a name for my Indy band. THANKS NOM!

  • "omg gay people are all evil and will make all our children gay help"

  • Rainbow LMFAO morons don't know what that means?

  • We must fight the gay menace for...wait, really? Taking our freedom away? Really, guys? Our FREEDOM??? Who wrote this, anyway?

  • Bwahahaha "rainbow coalition" against gay marriage. :D

  • Even though an advertisement may disagree with your beliefs, a good policy when creating titles for the videos you upload is to remain fully objective.

  • @xparasite9

    The OP is being fully objective. The fact that lies are present in this ad is not a debatable thing. It's pretty easy to prove there are false statements here.

  • I like how they use different ethnicities to try to distance themselves from the fact that this is complete bigotry and discrimination against an entire group of people...a group of fellow Americans, at that.

    HOW does someone else's sexual preference affect YOU at all ? HOW does THEM having equal rights diminish your rights ? PLUS...two hot chicks making out !?! That's just plain HOT ! ☺

  • I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS :D

  • @nukester then you better start running! They're gonna get you!

  • Poor people ,if that happen i may be obligated to start to suck dick and maybe be heterosexual it will be illegal hhaha give me a break

  • they remind me of the visitors. this is silly

  • now, dont get me wrong there is not a single thing about this ad that makes any sense what so ever, but there two of these statements that are just plain confusing. first off; the doctor who says she has to choose between her faith and her job... is she saying she dont want to save gay people that are married who are ill? and second "I will have no choice..." what's that supposed to mean? you'll have to turn gay because it's allowed or something?

  • These people really drag the rest of us down. A world with gay marriage I dare say would be a FAR FAR FAR better world than a world these guys get a say in. The only people forcing anything onto anybody, is these guys.

  • @pspman2000 Kinda sums up Christianity in a nutshell

  • 0:46 did anyone eles think its strange they used the term "rainbow coalition"

  • Go kill yourselves.

  • wow... this is the most retarded thing ever. it makes it sound like gay people are forcing them to be gay too. storm is coming my ass -__-

  • My favorite: "I am a Californian doctor who must choose between my faith and my job".

    Super nerdy: The r correlation between a job and her faith and gay people is 0.

  • My favorite part is the guy talking in the Spainish accent. xD

    Gah, this is horrible. =/ I'm glad to see that no one likes it.

  • they're coming together in love to spread hate???? fucking pricks!!!

  • FUCK THIS AND FUCK THEM.

  • 0:43 - Deh stourm, es coming.

    I love how they cut him off early. xD

  • What a waste of energy!

  • I will have no choice? for what?? like she won't have any choice but to be gay? what's with her? lol gays and lesbians didn't do anything to anyone but try to live like they want to live and its not any more promiscuous than the next hetero couple at least not lesbian couples :P and not being married means they can't visit them on their death bed.. have no right to see them get buried.. are considered just their friend and not have a right to live together etc

  • Wow... This... This is just too much... This makes them seem stupid. Because like the church guy, and the mom, I understand. But I mean... People should be able to live as they wish. I'm not for gay marraige (I'm actually quite appaulled by the idea). But I would never make creepy, depressing ads against it... People just need to respect people. And whether or not someone wants to marry the same sex, it's not really our decision. -_-

  • @Phreestem But there christians, What you think doesn't matter to them They believe they are more special then others there forfore they can control your life.

  • YAY! I love getting lied to via low-budget commercials :)

  • This organization has been calling every home in my neighborhood in DC. My neighbors and I would like them to leave us alone.

  • They kept calling me a few months back when NJ was trying to get gay marriage passed before Corzine left office. It was an automated voice. I wish it were a live person. I would have cussed them out at the top of my lungs. NOM is a bunch of sad disgusting pigs.

  • @plazmaattack I didn't block you! I can if you like! I'm sure God doesn't appreciate your wanting to rub dongs with another dude either. To be honest with you, I no longer believe you are even gay! I find it difficult to believe that a gay man or woman for that matter would make that type of spectacle of themselves, when they are trying to other wise be respectable. As I have said before, My problem is not with homosexuals! It is with homosexuality in general. I do have gay friends!

  • @plazmaattack They all know! They are well aware of how I feel and how I talk. I have even used those words in their presence. Self respect is not an issue for them! They would have to have plenty of it to be my friend. Gays are the ones lying to themselves if they honestly believe their lifestyle is natural. It's gross, it's filthy, and it's completely abominable to witness. Seeing two chicks make out in public is gross enough! Two dudes is just nasty. gimme a fat chick in a thong any day!

  • @plazmaattack Alrighty then!

  • At 16, what the hell do you even know from bullshit? Even at 21, you're none the wiser! Decided pre-birth...You're out of your damn mind if believe that swill! Pedophilia is a mental disorder. But is not always caused by abuse. Think about it before you say it! How it start to begin with? Boys being substituted for girls in wars? Girls being married off to men who could be their grandfathers when they come of age? Or the simple question, what if?

    You said it yourself you invented your morals!

  • Prove it! Let's see one of them knock up another! Animals are dumb! people are not! Which is debatable itself. Where is Your scientific proof for that claim anyway? There is none! Because no one knows what an animal is thinking anymore than they know what people are! Dolphins are apparently the only other species on earth other than humans who have sex for recreation! Instinct does not allow animals to be gay! Just stupid! Instinct tells them to reproduce and survive! Read a book, dick-hole!

  • @SlashFirestorm Piss off! Nobody asked you and nobody who matters, cares what you think!

  • Too bad. When you run your mouth and expose your ignorance of everything from psychology to biology, expect to be called out on it.

  • @SlashFirestorm Tell it to Oprah, Gandhi! I don't care what you think! Homosexuality is a mental disorder! End of story!

  • @SlashFirestorm And you're either a faggot, or have a sibling who is! FUCK OFF! You sound retarded!

  • Bisexual, actually.

    ...handsome.

  • @SlashFirestorm Whatever!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    Funny, Slash actually sounds calm and coldly disdainful while you sound like a five-year old who found out his favorite toy isn't the only of its kind on the play ground. Time for a time-out, junior.

  • @TheZooCrew You're a moron! Is that the best you can do? Don't you have something to stick up your ass? Fuck off! Your people await you!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    Gotta grow up before you can play with the big kids. Sayonara.

  • @TheZooCrew You know what, It occurs to me that you have some childish need to have the last word! So, do me a favor. Say what you think will make you feel better and fuck off!

  • lolol your one failure of a troll mr/ms mackenziemichael.

    Lets hear you baww some more, your quite entertaining when you moan on 'teh intranets'. ;)

  • Wow! You sure told me! Now go lurn 2 spel! Keep it coming! I'll work you over too, prick!

  • OOH GLORIOUS! Moar moar! Tell us more about teh gayz agenda! Did the gay mafia try to convert you?? You right, I should but I cant "spel" cuz Im a gay, and us gays have mental disorders as youz says. ;)

  • @plazmaattack Thats right sperm belcher! Homosexuality is a mental disorder! The only agenda gays have is to drink ball juice and get plugged in the ass! Oh yeah and they want us all to accept it as normal or we're bigoted assholes! Keep dreaming Twinkle-toes! Better to be a straight douche-bag, than gay on any level. Stick that one up your butt you sperm gargling root rider!

  • @plazmaattack What are you sitting on here waiting for a reply? Gay is gay! It does not matter whether you eat fudge or fish! It's all the same. Granted, lesbians are good for the porn industry! How big am I? Here's an idea! Forget about how big I am! It hardly matters to you anyway. Go to an adult novelty store and you can get yourself a butt plug about 4 feet in diameter! That ought to satisfy you! You tell me what causes it! You're the turd burglar here, remember?

  • @plazmaattack HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

  • @MackenzieMichael ahh ignorance..

  • @ipimees Excellent! You've pinpointed the problem. The next step is to figure out where you went wrong. If I might offer up a suggestion, re-sparking an argument thats been dead for 2 months is a pretty ignorant thing to do. I would start there. Not to mention the fact that the person you're about to spent the next few days arguing with is a relentless asshole who will not quit! Care to try your luck? I can handle anything you've got my friend! Bring it! Because I simply just do not care!

  • good lord what the hell. i think every one in this fucking video are sick

  • God! They made this video to be serious? I do not believe!!!

  • All licensed healthcare providers take an oath to their respective organization that they will provide care regardless of personal beliefs. Physicians choose profession over belief the moment they take that oath. This actors testimony is a LIE! (Straight dude who is a REAL doctor and not a PAID ACTOR!)

  • "My freedom to take away others freedom is being taken away!"

  • lol rainbow coalition

  • ivor i want to cum in your ass

  • @Ivor7777777 Don't sweat it man! Just sit back and watch it happen! It's going to be funny as hell when pedophiles use the same arguments that gays have for the past several decades! What then? Gays preaching to others about being normal? No doubt this comment will get several negative marks! It just shows where society's heads have migrated to!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    Well, Mackenzie, seeing as pedophiles are guilty of violating heavily enforced laws and end up on sex offender lists while homosexuality has never been a federal crime in this country, pedophiles don't have a leg to stand on. You're comparing the consensual loving relationship of two adults to the abusive predator-prey relationship of an adult and a child based on dominance and one-way gratification, which is incredibly pigheaded.

  • @TheZooCrew I'm not comparing anything to anything! I believe both are sick, mental illnesses! Gays believe that there is nothing wrong with them. The same cannot be said for a lot of pedophiles. You don't have to be a child molester to be a pedophile. You're either one or both. A lot of pedos know what they are and are sickened by it. 20 years ago, I decided that society had become a heathen. I knew then it. would eventually accept gays and shun those against them, and I was right! Just wait!

  • @TheZooCrew You believe what you believe now! But society always needs a new pervert to love. When gays succeed in their ridiculous crusade, (AND THEY WILL) Pedophiles will be the new homo. They will make sickening advances in society, and because children can be taught to think it's normal, ultimately, people like yourself will come to accept them and be outraged by their not having their "rights". And you will continue to think I'm a jackass because I don't accept them!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    Believe what you want. You couldn't be more wrong, but you have a right to be as wrong as you want as long as you're not a member of Congress.

    "20 years ago I decided society had become a heathen."

    Whoopty-friggin'-do. Welcome to the First Amendment. This country can not and should not operate according to any religion. You're getting fired up because not everyone is like you, and I guess you're just going to have to deal with it. If you can't handle it, get lost.

  • @MackenzieMichael

    "children can be taught to think it's normal"

    Not today. Pedophilia is still illegal and that's not changing anytime soon. You just think homosexuality and pedophilia are one and the same due to your prejudice. it's literally comparing apples to oranges, but it looks like you just like talking out of your ass with tunnel vision.

  • @TheZooCrew Who the fuck said anything about religion? Oh thats right, you did! Laws can be changed, you dumbass! And they will be changed to suit society's wishes! "Pedophilia is still illegal and that's not changing anytime soon." For now. But I have confidence that people like yourself will find a justification for legalizing it later on. Because you're a follower! Nothing more than a worker ant who wants whatever everyone else wants. ...

  • @TheZooCrew I am not prejudice against homosexuals! I am actually quite fond of a few people who just happen to be. But even they know where I stand! My so-called prejudice is against homosexuality in general. What people like you call prejudice, I call moral standards! My values to not change to suit the populous. Yours obviously do! My values change when I decide they no longer suit me. So say whatever you want about me! I don't fucking care! I'm not going anywhere and neither are gays!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    Unfortunately, the worker ants outnumber the elitist pricks who think their "moral standards" outweigh the rights of millions of people.

    Using the word "heathen" implies religion, dumbass.

    Why am I a follower? Because I fight for the rights of other people? Because there are millions of others who think like I do? No, you're the follower here. Your "moral standards" weren't invented by you.

    We also have a Constitution that prevents angry mobs from deciding law. You're done.

  • @TheZooCrew I'm done? Please! Someone certainly is full of themselves! I can rebut you all night, asshole! No, heathen does not imply religion, moron! You just think it does because it's in the bible! If that's the case, then piss also implies religion! It's a word! You are 21 years old! This tells me that you grew up being taught that homosexuality is normal! Well, I've been around a little longer! Just because you're taught something is right, and everyone believes so, does not make it so!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    Actually, I grew up being taught that homosexuality is a sin. When I was about 16 and knew a bunch of gay folks, I started calling out the bullshit I was fed. I honestly can't see how something that isn't controllable and decided pre-birth is "wrong." That's like saying being black is "wrong." And no, pedophilia is a mental disorder that IS caused by childhood abuse (ask the APA and AMA).

    And how did you invent these "moral standards" that have existed for millennia? A book.

  • @TheZooCrew Slavery was once legal and by "LAW" allowed! How right was that injustice? I don't believe my moral standards outweigh anything. I simply know they are better than society's! Mine have existed for millennia! Yours were sculpted to suit popular opinion! That my friend, is how you are a follower! You never gave any thought to the fact that it is not natural for people of the same gender to have committed sexual relationships with each other, You accepted it because you were taught to!

  • @MackenzieMichael

    "You never gave any thought to the fact that it is not natural for people of the same gender to have committed sexual relationships with each other"

    Well, apparently YOU haven't given any thought to the fact that it IS natural, especially since over 450 species of animal (many mammals) have been well documented having homosexual relationships, even mating for life, and raising orphaned offspring. Chew on some science, you narcissistic freak.

  • In a survey of heterosexuals, 75% admitted to raping a person of the opposite sex at least once, and 20% admit to raping someone under the age of 14. Additionally, 41% of women admitted to having sexual contact with a dog, as did 35% of men.

    LOL SEE I CAN MAKE UP STATISTICS TOO. I don't even need to go to Stormfront or anything to do it!

    Also, spoiler alert: Gay people didn't invent anal sex, lol.

  • Wow, Ivor, I wasn't even remotely talking about homosexuality. Thank you for your meaningless tangent.

    Abstinence-only education doesn't teach kids about safe sex. It sets a trap by sending the message "if you have sex, THIS will happen," with THIS being STDs, pregnancies, trauma, etc. Of course, teens are sharp enough to call bullshit on that and are prone to experiment anyway (hormones), but without a proper education in safe sex, they're probably suffer the consequences. Stupid.

  • In 1964 a 15yr-old girl was raped, became pregnant, & decided to carry her unborn child to term. 5 months after the baby girl was born, in an act of courage & love the young mother provided her child a better environment by giving her to an adoptive family. That child was Pam Stenzel.

    After her graduation from Liberty University with a degree in Psychology, Pam moved to Minneapolis, MN where she began to work with New Life Family Services. She thanks God that her mother never murdered her.

  • Unless you went through such an experience, you know nothing of what it's like to carry a reminder of a horrific experience inside you, let alone being forced (as you'd prefer) to carry it to term. I do not propose always aborting in such a situation; only the woman who underwent such a tragic experience can properly decide whether or not they can deal with the life-long repercussions (and if they want a child to be raised knowing of it), not radicals who carelessly toss about words like murder.

  • Great. One story of one woman who got lucky. Cut and pasted from a website about her work, no less. 1964 was no 2010, especially for minorities.

    I wonder what happened to Stenzel's mother. I can't find a single story that documents what happened to her after the baby was born.

    Pam is currently causing widespread harm across the country, delivering abstinence-only messages which have been shown to cause a lot more harm than good.

  • An egg in the first trimester can hardly be called a baby, oh come on, what is it then.

    So a woman who misses her period & then gets a "pregnancy" test, what exactly is she pregnant with. I'm sure you know the term with child.

    How can we humans be so disingenuos and sick to play with words and feel no shame or guilt about murdering thier own children.

    And some of these same people are running around trying to save whales and Polar Bears.

  • Wow, masonwealth, don't we have a human superiority complex. Nature is far more powerful than we'll ever be. If the human race were to die out, within a few thousand years it would be as if we were never here. Nearly everything we've done here on Earth will have vanished. We serve no niche in the global ecosystem. "Playing with words?" Hardly. If destroying a rapidly dividing cell (that's all an embryo is) is murder, then I guess we should all get the death sentence for getting scrapes.

  • So the mother is allowed to force her philosophy on a poor defenceless baby.

    Even in a case of rape I would never muder the poor baby. You'll have a much better case in doing away with the rapist but never the baby.

    If she dosen't want the babby their are a lot of adoption agencies around.

  • Yeah, masonwealth, our adoption system is truly a fine institution. *scoffs* Are you joking? Having a baby does far more to a woman than merely inflate her for the better part of a year. A woman never returns to who she was physically or emotionally after having a kid. And what if she's like 14 or dies in childbirth? "Sorry, we can't save you because we care more about the tiny blob inside of you with no functioning organs and no distinct shape more than we care about you."

  • You seem to assume the default position is that everything from in-labor infant to pre-implant zygote should be considered sentient life. Unless you have scientific backing for such an extreme claim---and you do not, as the matter is philosophical---the default position should be "nobody knows", and everyone minds their own business.

    Incidentally, if you had the faintest clue what it's like to raise a child born of rape---through pregnancy and life---I think you'd shut your mouth pretty quick.

  • SlashFirestorm

    Do you think a woman has the right to slaughter her own unborn baby?

  • masonwealth,

    I would like to answer your question to Slash as well. The state is allowed to restrict abortions from the second trimester on. An egg in the first trimester can hardly be called a "baby." A woman has this right simply because the government does not and should not decide what the woman does with her own body when a human life is not currently formed or at risk, otherwise the state could criminalize having kids when the woman is HIV positive and so forth.

  • Seeing as there is no scientific way to define when sentience begins, only philosophical, I don't think anyone has the right to push their philosophy on others.

    As mentioned, the early stages of fetal development clearly aren't sentient by any scientific assessment, and clearly the latest stages are capable of survival. If I were to submit my own compromise, I would suggest limiting non-rape/danger abortion to before the time of the earliest surviving premature birth, currently 152 days.

  • TheZooCrew

    Do u believe in heaven & hell?