Actually it pre-dates Abrahamic religions. The Ancient Egyptians practiced and most likely they weren't the first either. Also yes I agree these days many do it for religious reasons. However the caller wasn't raising it as a religious matter.
My stance on circumcision, I'm not pro, or against. There are cases in which it's might have merit.
My point was it was kind of outside of what I usually expect to find on the show.
Where have you been lately? It's the theme from "Dr. Who," a series that has been around since 1963. Trivia: One of the characters in the 1979 series was played by Lalla Ward, the wife of Richard Dawkins.
I fully agree that it's become very status quo.... "uncircumcised looks icky!!!"
Well, I guess you won't want to go to bed with me then -- because my parents respected my rights as a child... I keep my penis clean, and I have greater sensitivity as a result of that PROTECTIVE skin, so there :P
It's a LOT to do with... "I am circumcised, you should be too"
The origins of it though, yes, religious.
They ridicule just because you are different... with undertones of superstition.
Those African studies have now been thoroughly debunked. Recently, studies have been done that showed that the foreskin has what is essentially a virus-killer cell called a Langerhans cell that traps and kills viruses like HIV.
There's definitely a pro-circumcision agenda. The fact is, a lot of these doctors who did these studies and who are pushing these studies are either circumfetishists or Jews who are afraid that America is the last secular support for the practice of Brit Milah.
If you knew anything about anything, you'd know that it's only the rarest form of FGM that amounts to "destruction" of the female genitalia. The most common forms are actually less severe then male circumcision.
And yes, male circumcision DOES destroy part of the male genitalia, and a very important part at that.
If you knew ANYTHING about this issue, you'd know these things.
my mom told me that the foreskin of african babies (more than other races) had medical benefits like for cancer patients. idk where she heard it or if its true but thats wierd right? whats wrong with white foreskin lol
I'm so damned glad I didn't allow my son to be circumcised. THANK YOU to my baby's pediatrician (who was from India, which may have helped him develop a different perspective of "normal"). And a great big middle finger to my ex-husband who wanted his son to "look like him".
An uncircumcised penis was against the Jewish religion. although the Greeks saw it as a natural part of the body, the Jews saw it as revolting. A statue of a man with a circumcised penis looks so unatural and bazaar that Greeks couldnt even fathom of sculpting such a statue. Unless ofcourse it was depicting a sexual act.
TRUST ME ON THIS...For those of you who have traveled abroad, and have wondered why Greek and Roman statues are missing their penises. Here is the answer. When the jews came and preached christianity to the Greeks and Romans..One of the things that they tried to convince people of was the godliness of circumcision. So EVERYWHERE they went, be it in Greek Egypt or Athens or Ephesos or Rome. one of the things they made sure they did was to snap off ALL the uncircumcised penises on the statues.
@ZeusTelemaxos Do you have evidence of this claim? I have some serious doubts. For example Michelangelo made anatomically incorrect statures of David. His David"s were all uncircumcised, since David was a Jew he would have been cut.
"cut" ? you mean MUTILATED ! say it its ok, You say "cut" to lessen the impact of what it actually is which is mutilation. and yes its impossible to sculpt a human male body in the right context with a circumcised penis. It looks retarted and wrong. Michaelangelo wasnt stupid. Ofcourse he made a statue of David. Except that it was a copy of a million classical hellenistic statues. Down to the Greek toe and the uncircumcised penis
@ZeusTelemaxos You dodged the question. You are as bad as Christians who mindlessly circumcise their sons. You have an extreme and unwarranted bias against circumcision. And you are also wrong about Michelangelo. In much of Europe circumcision was the exception rather than the rule. In fact that is one way that Jewish men were identified in Germany. In Michelangelo's time all of the Italian men would have been intact. That is why he made the mistake, that was all he was used to seeing.
Ok now i know youre missing a few marbles.so in your warped view, Michaelangelo made the statue as a direct copy of dozens of Hellenistic statues but left the penis intact because he didnt know what a circumcised penis looked like? Is that the moronic statement that youre making? Michaelangelo made a mistake? is that what they taught you in your Mosque or Synnogogue? Why would Michaelangelo make a mutilated statue?
@ZeusTelemaxos You poor fanatic fool. They do not circumcise in the Muslim religion. Nor do most Christians. That is a process that is done mostly in the U.S.. Once again, David was a Jew. An uncircumcised David was a mistake, period. I am not an advocate of circumcision in any way. But then I am not a fanatic either. Since David was a Jew he should have been portrayed with a circumcised penis to be historically correct. That is not saying that circumcision is a good thing or bad.
@subductionzone I don't want to come off like a know-it-all, but the truth is circumcision is practically universal in Islamic countries. In fact, (and I'm not making this up)countries like Turkey and Indonesia literally throw parties during which legions of pre-teen boys line up to be circumcised. It's pretty grotesque, to say the least, but Americans sending their sons off to be cut behind closed doors in a hospital are no better, honestly.
@ZeusTelemaxos And just to set your mind at ease. If I have a son I will probably not have him circumcised. I see no logical reason to do so. But your fanatical view will turn away possible allies. And yes, I was born in the U.S. and was circumcised. I don't think my son should have to "look like me". I do have a Seventh Day Adventist brother who did have his son circumcised for that reason and I thought it was a bit sick. I never checked on what my atheist brother did with his sons.
@subductionzone Keep in mind, though, that the original circumcision rite was different than it is today- they only removed the part of the foreskin that went past the head of the penis and everything behind that was left alone, so while Michelangelo's David is not entirely accurate, it's not too far off from the truth either. The most likely reason for Michelangelo's David being the way it is, though, is that Michelangelo used a live model for the sculpture, and Italians did not and do not cut.
@ComprimisedXInsanity Disease is not caused by natural healthy functioning body-parts. Disease is caused by our lifestyle and behaviour. The idea that an intact male is more prone to disease than one with bits cut off is as strange as the idea that a circumcised woman is healthier than an uncircumcised one.
@ComprimisedXInsanity How is it hygienic to cut off a perfectly natural and healthy body-part? Would the eyes be more "hygienic" if we cut off our eyelids? Would the vagina be more hygienic if women were circumcised? The eyes and vagina are self-cleansing, as is the penis. If you desire or require cleansing of the penis the solution is very simple - washing. You spend a few moments in the shower, as you would with any other body-part.
So why aren't women circumcised for the same reason? The amputation of the clitoral hood and possibly the labia minora would have the same hygienic improvement. Perhaps circumcised men would grow a taste for such cut genitals and demand that their female partners undergo a similar circumcision.
As a circumcised male, I will NOT be doing this to any son that I might have. If he wants his foreskin removed, he can do that when he's old enough to make such a decision.
Cutting is just barbaric. There is no real need for it except if the foreskin cause discomfort. Even then, all it takes is a bit of exercise softening the foreskin--a perfect excuse for masturbation and lots of fun sex!
Circumcision..., somewhere along the way some study showed it might SLIGHTLY reduce chances of CONTRACTING HIV. It, however, does not reduce the chance of SPREADING HIV, AT ALL. So, selling cirumcision to Afrika, or to anyone else, as a cure, or remedy is utter and complete BS.
On the contrary: it is EXTREMELY dangerous: circumcised people migth actually believe they are safe (?!) encouraging unsafe sexual contacts, thus increasing the spread of HIV!!
end of scene. YIKES. I am sitting here discussing the head of my class with, a gay guy? Does that make me, like, bi or something? unsure... I need to get my head around this. OOps. I mean, uh - oh. this all can;t be good.. No wonder you are intellectual. Where is that lucky lucy? I think I'll talk this out with her.
@MrStupidHead You will find that a lot of intactivists happen to be gay. We seem to have an interest in penises and good sex. We also tend to be interested in human rights and sexuality. And the more intelligent among us tend to have an intimate appreciation for what a real penis is and how it works.
end of scene. and lucky lucy for that matter. I feel a great attachment to my penis. I know it like the back of my hand. It - and I - have a great fondness for each other. And I speak for both of us, and say - we love our little cut job. I am pretty sure that neither of us was permanently injured in the process. And yet, we are so damned proud of our look. And we are quite happy together. We recommend it highly, and take great offense that female lopping it off, is anything like our doo.
end of scene. You are obviously a LITTLE TOO INVOLVED with dicks. Now, myself, having one, I think it is a lot cuter just the way it is. Ask any guy, you want one of those ugly weird looking uncut jobs? NO way. I mean really, what do you want to show a woman? One of those uncut jobs with smegma dripping from them? ICK. or one like mine! Betcha chicks dig mine better.
So keep your rant for someone who cares. I didn't need that extra skin for nothing. Just gets in the way. Looks good now!
@MrStupidHead Hello. If you want to communicate with me then I suggest using the reply button to one of my comments. How am I "a little too involved with dicks"? What does that mean? I against genital mutilation. If you think intact genitals look "ugly" and "weird" that is your opinion. In cultures that practice FGM the same is said about intact vulvas. In ancient china a woman was not beautiful unless her feet were deformed and dwarfed.
@MrStupidHead We are conditioned during our upbringing by our environment to find certain things attractive or unattractive. Doubtless there would be many people who prefer the appearance of intact penises, although disdain for circumcised penises by the intact is usually much less viscious and twisted because the intact have lost nothing and so usually do not feel a need to lash out. At the very most an intact person may wish to become circumcised to fit in with their surrounding society.
@MrStupidHead Most penises in the world are intact and most women consider them normal or even wonderful. Now, a lot of women in the USA have a irrational bias against intact penises. American men don't have this bias against intact vulvas. And those women who are revulsed by an intact penis are also revulsed by the thought of being circumcised themselves. Go figure. There is nothing disgusting about normal natural healthy genitalia on both sexes. It is antisexual and prudish to think so.
@endofscene See what I mean? You admit it. Most women are REVULSED by your Mr. Natural. Hey, when I move to Saudi Arabia, maybe I'll get it put back on. Till then, wish they ALL could be California (world's most beautiful) Girls. They get a look see on a Mr. Natural and they either run from the room, or puke in the nearest garbage can. But I'm sure your winning ways and veggie habits make up for it. Your chick o' desire probably has hairy - uh, - stuff all over! Good for you! Take 'em!
@MrStupidHead Most females in this world are not American. If an American woman or man (or any other man or woman) is revulsed by my penis then I consider that their problem. I am not revulsed by their genitalia, whether they be intact or circumcised, male or female. Some genitals look better than others just as some faces and bodies do, but that has little to do with circumcision, although personally I do prefer the appearance of intact genitals.
@MrStupidHead I'm not actually sure if I should be responding to you because you are obviously very twisted and immature and have serious issues. But for the sake of the thread, you cannot "get it put back on" and they circumcise in Saudi Arabia because they are Muslim.
@endofscene good point about Saudis. I stand corrected. As for putting it back on, if they can build a whole one from scratch, they can put that cap back on.
See? I'm not so immature. After all, I am not on a one man crusade to convince the preponderance of hot American chicks, that that floppy thing is SUPPOSED to look like that. Notwithstanding what they were expecting to see after all that internet porn they have been watching.
But I hope you and yours find your hairy mates! Naturally!
@MrStupidHead As far as I know no one can "build a whole [foreskin/penis] from scratch". Are you referring to a sex change operation? They don't build genitals from scratch. They try to approximate genitals with pre-existing tissue in a very makeshift way, far from the real thing.
I'm not trying to convince American women of anything. I know there are many American women who don't care either way or even prefer intact. And I happen to be gay and Australian.
@MrStupidHead There is no "supposed to". That's just the way it looks. Get used to it. I happen to like it. If you want to alter it then go ahead. If you want to shave or wax then go ahead. Do whatever you want to your own body.
@MrStupidHead If a woman is so shallow and ignorant that she can't get over an actual complete penis then she is not worth the trouble. It would not be wise to get sexually or romantically involved with such a person, as they ignorance and immaturity will not be limited to the issue of penises, I can assure you.
@endofscene women in the states are for a lack of a better word "trained" to dislike a complete penis, its just how society works, thats one important reason of why parents circumcise their babies, so they can fit in when they grow up, I honestly think that the fact that girls prefer mutilated penises is gross, but there is no one to blame, I dont like circumsised penises cause I grew up in a place where that just doesent happen. so please dont just blame it on the girls
@MrStupidHead Smegma doesn't drip. Pre-cum and semen and urine can all drip. Smegma is a solid waxy substance. Both men and women can develop it. It is not toxic and is easily washed away if desired. All it takes is a few seconds in the shower every now and then; hardly a big deal.
As to whether chicks like your penis better than... well that would be up to the chick, I guess. I personally don't base my self-esteem around which people endorse my penis.
@MrStupidHead The benefits of foreskin are mostly sexual and to do with sensation not smegma, just as the benefits of having ears are mostly sensual and to do with hearing, not ear wax :)
@endofscene 10 points for Griffindor! Very clever and witty. A truly worthy opponent.
I will rejoinder here with the observation that additional sensitivity would not make my life any easier. Last thing I need is for Mr. Happy to be any happier! He would NEVER shut up!
@MrStupidHead This is a common mistake that circumcised men make when they hear that an intact penis is more sensitive. They think it means that they would have so much sensitivity that they would blow in their pants all the time, or at least have no staying power. This is not what increased sensitivity means. That would be over-sensitivity or hyper-sensitivity, and the body is not naturally wired that way. The intact penis is capable of a greater range of sensation than a circumcised one.
@MrStupidHead Using the sensation of vision as an analogy, you could say circumcised is vision in black and white, while intact is full colour. The light is not necessarily any brighter in full colour, it is just that the experience has another dimension and is more rich. Similarly, you could say that circumcised is like listening to an orchestra play Mozart without the strings section. The music isn't getting louder, but without the strings the symphony is not complete.
@MrStupidHead It has also been said that a circumcised penis is like an on-off switch, whereas intact is like an accelerator pedal, capable of different degrees of sensation and control. Yes, the glans is more sensitive and the foreskin is sensitive, but this is in a good way, and the brain can handle it. The brain is receiving more sensory input but it also able to use and integrate that input for control. It is a very well-balanced system, like all the other bodily sensory systems.
@MrStupidHead You raise another issue which some Jews, such as Maimonides, like to stress. That being that if intact sex is so good then a man would think of nothing else. Intact sex is very good, but it doesn't make a man sex-crazy. Natural sex is naturally satisfying, whereas it has been argued that a circumcised men is never truly able to completely satisfy himself (because of the lost sensation and function) and hence he can never quite get sex out of his mind.
@MrStupidHead It would be like a person who could not experience an orgasm but who had sexual lust and desire. He would never reach a point of total satisfaction and so could becomes obsessed. Now, I am not sure how true these last ponderings are, but they serve to support the idea that the body and mind and quite capable of dealing with natural sex and natural sex organs. It has been designed that way by God or Nature and it works perfectly.
@MrStupidHead My comments here are for anyone who wants to read them. You are free to disagree, which you obviously have done, but I believe you are reacting from deep insecurity about your penis and I pity that. I'm sure you're a nice person and I understand how hard it can be to accept the reality of what was done to you.
@MrStupidHead Foreskin is not "extra skin". It is standard biological equipment and natural genital anatomy. It has functions and exists as part of the penis for a reason. If you as a teenager were not aware of that then you were not alone-most teenagers are not aware of the functions of most of their organs. Most people are unaware of many things because of lack of education and experience. My foreskin does not get in the way of anything for me but rather is an essential part of my penis.
@MrStupidHead If you chose to get circumcised as a adolescent or adult in order to fit in with the society around you then I can understand that. It must be very hard growing up feeling so insecure about your penis. And if you prefer the way it looks now then good for you. Fortunately I think circumcision is becoming less common in the USA and intact penises are becoming more accepted so what you went through will hopefully become less common with time. I wish you well, bro.
@MrStupidHead Men have also evolved over billions of years to have a foreskin. All men are born with one and it is universal in a all races, this would suggest that the foreskin serves a purpose. The purpose is to protect the head of the penis and also serves to preserve sensitivity of the penis. for someone who actually HAS a penis, you seem to know very little about how it functions.
I've often heard that the health benefits of circumcision have been falsified over the years. In fact decades ago when boys would get circumsized as common practice about the only boys that wouldn't get circumsized were sons of doctors because most doctors knew that circumcision doesn't help health in anyway and that it's a painful and unnecessary procedure. I know here in Canada we can't use health care to pay for circumcision as health Canada views it only as cosmetic now and unnecessary.
Even though I disagree with circ and think the UN study was flawed, they should remember to question everything the guy said. Which they did a little bit at the end. but imagine if a guy called in and said what was said except about the prayer studies.
A guy (unknown) calls up and relates all kinds of hearsay, about "studies" (unnamed) and hints at a vast right wing conspiracy to cut the heads off diks all over the world. I believe our hosts and ourselves need a whole lot more information to keep us from descending into the darkness shared by the "I know it in my heart crowd".
Science is always the grandest and best seeker and discoverer of truth. This however is far, far, from science.
@russmckinley Precisely my point. Not that arguing on youtube is the height of intellectual discourse. But the "in my heart crowd", uses factual information like this: "from what I have read". and "european medical sources". You couldn't get any less credible Russ, unless you started throwing around dick related barbs like you were back in junior high. Oh, you are.
@MrStupidHead go to emanet.org (european medical association)
bma.org (british medical association)
ama-assn.org (american medical assoc.) and read what they say about the "UN study" before calling me "less credible" junior high?...this coming from "Mr Stupid Head"
You couldn't get any more desperate if you tried. Go to those websites, read what they say about it, and then tell me it's not credible. You (on the other hand) have NO sources besides the UN
@MrStupidHead But even if you don't check out the studies that contradict the "UN study" (like the Bormann study of 2010) you can look at simple statistics...such as..
The U.S. HIV infection rate is 4 times higher than the rate in Europe (whey very few are circumcised)....or the fact that at least 11 African countries have higher HIV rates among the circumcised population.
But I don't think you even care. That's the real problem...."Mr Stupid Head"
@MrStupidHead You are right to be skeptical of what this man says, but if you do the research you will find that the studies he is referring to are highly contested. Circumcision is genital mutilation and it can be very hard for circumcised males to accept what was done to them. They have to believe there must be some positive to it. But there is no positive to having part of your penis cut off as a baby. If you want to do this as an adult, fine. But most boys have no say in the matter.
@MrStupidHead We all know what the studies are. They have been in the press for months now. His point, and the point of many who have responded to those studies in much more express and precise ways than this man, is that the studies were not scientific, from their motivation to their method to their conclusions.
Even if circumcision was a guarantee for not contracting AIDS, not to circumcise babies wouldn't be a problem because CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE SEX. When they are old enough to have sex they are old enough to make the decision of whether or not to have their foreskin removed.
Circumcision mutilates children and has for thousands of years. AIDS was only identified 30 years ago. Circumcision is done, as it always has been, for ill-informed religious reasons.
July 18 Lancet --Circumcision doesn't reduce transmission of HIV from infected men to women, says a study that included 922 HIV-infected men in Uganda.
Dr. Maria Wawer of Johns Hopkins "Circumcision of HIV-infected men DID NOT REDUCE HIV TRANSMISSION to female partners over 24 months; longer-term effects could not be assessed. Condom use after male circumcision is essential for HIV prevention," The study was stopped early due to "futility".
Actually, the study you are talking about found a 50% INCREASED risk for women with circumcised partners ; but this result was not yet statistically significant (the total number of infections was too low to draw a valid conclusion), so Wawer (big proponent of circumcsion) stopped the trial early, before the result would become significant. The official exucse being "obviously there is no protection, so no need to continue the trial"... Blatantly dishonest.
@SergeDevinge I suspected that the study was stoppped becuase it did not give the answers that Wawer wanted. If she were truly looking for the truth, she and her associates would have just finished the study and then let the data speak for itself. Once again, this Wawer study proves that "scientists" who have social policy and social engineerring as their core goals, do not produce real legitimate science with integrity. There needs to be a complete separation of politics from science.
Im assuming that all these people who seem against it, and have been circumcised, have taken this up with their parents and shown their outrage and im sure you all hate the idea of bobbing a dogs tail, or declawing a cat, or cutting the teeth off of a baby pig-which is what almost all hog farmers do.
So at what age do you think your child can make the decision to pierce their ears?
@MrKevMan "Circumcisions" Why circumcision and not tatoo/piercing? Give me a good reason. "infections" Curing infections is cosmetic? o_O "deformities" Deformity = anomaly, birth defect (and often has consequences beyond mere aesthetic). Foreskin is neither. "which is what almost all hog farmers do." So kids have the same rights as farm animals? holy cr*p.... "So at what age do you think your child can make the decision to pierce their ears?" It's a perfectly legitimate and debatable question.
I brought up points that i felt were aligned enough to use.
You dont agree, but then again, your reasons are just as subjective to me as mine are to you.
You also added a lot more to my comment than i added and make assertions that exaggerated my statements to the point of no longer part of my conversation.
Twist my words around all you want, its pretty plain to see that you are making blanks and filling them in as if you were me.
"your reasons are just as subjective to me as mine are to you"
There is nothing subjective in saying circumcision is removal of a normal body part, and permanent alteration of the body of a non-consenting minor. And you didn't answer, why would "cosmetic" circumcision be allowed and not tatoo/piercing? Recently in USA a man was sent to PRISON for tatooing his kid. What is the big difference between that and circumcision?
Then why do you dress your sons in pants and your daughters in dresses?
What about braces?
As parents we do our best to make decisions for our children that are in their best interests and inform them why.
I think the difference between tattooing and circumcision is ink, amputation, and societal tradtions.
What about that tribes that invert the penis, stretch ears and lips, chip teeth, stretch necks, stump fingers, scarify, and have the whole family live and sleep naked?
When they remove teeth, it's often for reasons beyond mere aesthetic. Problems when wisdom teeth grow, and more simply certain surfaces inaccessible to toothbrush.
My parents didn't have my foreskin removed. Most europeans don't even remotely think of doing some kind of plastic amputation to welcome their newborn son.
The tooth removal im talking about is for braces to allow the contraption to fit into the mouth to reshape the teeth for astethic reasons. If you are so mad at your parents for you penis, take it up with them. Im willing to bet that there are more people who either dont think about it or like their cirumcision than there are that dont.
How many politicians use banning circumcision as a campaign platform? How do you think that would go over with the voters?
@MrKevMan I never had that and neither did anyone I know. If my parents had taken me to some quack who pulled my teeth out for some sort of apparatus then I'd probably be pretty pissed.
He's not mad at his parents, he is intact.
Right, because if something doesn't go over with voters then it must be false or bad. Politicians don't use anti-circumcision in their campaign because they don't want to offend, they want to get elected.
@MrKevMan I believe that alot of medicine and dentistry is unnecessary and an attempt to make money. But we are not going to remove healthy teeth from all children and we are not going to routinely break kids' jaws. Similarly we should not be routinely cutting the penises of babies.
@MrKevMan Children need clothes. They don't need circumcision. And if you believe that boys do require circumcision then (a) how come there are so many healthy and happy intact boys and men, and (b) why don't girls require it too?
Braces don't remove any bodyparts from the child. They attempt to correct a cosmetic issue. Dr Weston Price showed that we wouldn't even need braces et al if we had a more natural healthy diet and lifestyle.
@MrKevMan Primitive tribes that perform bodily mutilations on their members are just that-primitive tribes. If you want to live at the level of a primitive African tribe or a Bronze Age Palestinian farmer, then go ahead. But the majority of modern society has moved on from that level.
You do raise an excellent point, though. If you circumcise your son/s then you are no different to primitive tribesmen who perform bodily mutilation because they think it looks better.
@MrKevMan Anything claimed as a legitimate reason to circumcise a baby boy should also be applied to girls. I am against cutting off healthy parts of little babies. But if you are going to be for it then you at least need to be consistent and include both sexes. You won't do this because your reasons are not rational. You want to cut parts of boys but not off girls. One is good, the other is bad. This is incongruent, and it shows.
@SergeDevinge We cannot tattoo babies. In fact a man was recently jailed in the USA for doing so. At what age should people be allowed to get tattoos? Well, that is debatable and should be discussed in forums and courts. Tattoos are more permanent than piercings. They cannot be undone. But whether we decide to allow the age of consent for tattoos to be 16, 18, or 21, the point is that it is already illegal to do to babies, as should circumcision be also.
@MrKevMan It would depend on the society. Perhaps during the teenage years. Perhaps as an adult. However, ear-piercing, although risky, is not irreversible. Nothing is being permanently removed, much less normal healthy valuable genital tissue. You are putting a hole in a girls ear lobes. This can lead to infection and death, but if done properly the hole will seal back up again if not used.
And what right do you have to make that decision for your son? What right did your father to do it to you? Why force it on someone when they can't say "No", rather than wait until they've grown up and let them choose for themselves?
By the right that the choices i make are not harmful to my child for whom i make the majority of decisions for. Millions of people have been circumcised, and im pretty sure a vast majority dont give a crap either way because it does not negativly impact them.
I guess for a true determination of the truth of that statement would be to get a bunch of uncircumcised men, have them have sex, rate it, then get clipped, then have them have sex again and rate it.
Or realize that logically you can't clip off a sensitive area without loosing some of the sensitivity in the area. Or the fact that without the foreskin covering the head the head is exposed and therefore going to loose feeling. This isn't a matter of "Well, you can't really know unless..." You don't have to blind someone in one eye to realize that your sight will suffer if you only have one eye.
@MrKevMan There are testimonies from many men circumcised as adults, and many of them attest to worse sex. Many women also say that sex is worse circumcised. Now these are just personal testimonies and there will be many in opposition. However, the majority of circumcised as adult that are happy with it are those who grew up in circumcising cultures and were teased and rejected and were only too happy to become cut and fit in.
@MrKevMan Also, the foreskin has many functions, known in part of whole to most intelligent intact adults. It has been shown to contain thousands of nerve-endings. Logically it has a purpose and is there for a reason. Most intact men never decide to be circumcised. At the very least, this should be a choice left up to the man himself.
How many women choose to get circumcised as adults? Why would they? We wouldn't dare circumcise baby girls. Boys should be afforded the same rights.
Complications from surgery and, in some cases (albeit just a few in 1st world countries), emergency removal of the entire penis would be a negative factor, dontcha think?
@MrKevMan Just because people say they don't care doesn't mean they haven't been negatively impacted. It's called ignorance and denial. Most circumcised men are not aware of what they have lost, and if they hear about it then they go into denial. It takes courage to face up to pain and loss. And for a man to have had a valuable part of his penis cut off as a baby, well that is very hard to accept.
So stay in denial and keep defending and justifying the practice.
@MrKevMan Parents must make hundreds of important choices for their children, but they don't always make the right choices. They can and do make decisions that end up harming their children. This is because most people are not perfect, don't know everything, and were never taught to be parents. In this way the sins of the father are passed onto the son unless and until one single generation has the awareness and the courage to break the cycle.
@MrKevMan They don't clip it. You clip grass or toenails, both of which grow back. They cut it. To be precise they stretch and clamp and tear and rip and slice part of the baby's penis off, usually without anaesthetic. It's barbaric. The foreskin is natural tissue and standard anatomy. It is there for a reason.
"The questions, “Who proved that HIV attacks cells and causes AIDS? How? Where was this published?”, are routinely evaded by defenders of the orthodoxy; but they could not evade them in court. How could even the most expert witness respond? — “the most rigorous peer review . . . comes from cross-examination . . . in the courtroom” Could Fauci or Gallo be reduced to pleading the Fifth, not answering for fear of self-incrimination?"
Unfortunately ALL "hiv" research is crap. The "discoverer" AND test kit patent holder "L Ron" Gallo never found any such virus of mass destruction. He jst called a press conference and patented a test. ALL research revolvound th results of Gallo's fradulent test.
Google.....Circumcision and condom idiocies
"THINK about it, please. Circumcision supposedly protects against “HIV” whether or not the male is wearing a condom?! How could that possibly be?"
all these unethical studies have been put forward to try to find benefits. they would never to that for fgm. they did studies to try to prove fmg increases aids then found that it reduces hiv transmission by a similar amount to mgm. women have much more chance of getting genital infections than men, if there was the same drive to find to fgc youd certainly find them. u dnt cut off someones breasts without their consent (would be more practical). you dont cut of a human baby's foreskin
I'm tired of arguing with the amateur intellectuals, the mental midgets, child-atheists that litter these forums. Circumcision reduces your chances of getting AIDS. End of discussion.
Then I would say go have unprotected sex with 100 prostitutes in South Africa and we'll see if you don't die in 10 years. If you don't, I guess you were right afterall. If you do, good riddance.
Seriously? You think I'm going to have an argument about HIV being a real disease on youtube? lmao. Seriously? Hahahahahahah!!! I wish I had that much free time....
Obviously, you have beliefs and attitudes about certain things, like circumcision. Maybe everything you're been taught is a lie. Ever think about that?
Looking through your channel, it seems I might have been wrong about you being religious. A lot of religious people are close-minded, so I might have jumped the gun a bit. I just get so tired of seeing the whole 'End of discussion' thing in all it's forms. I guess I got tired from all the difficult theists. :/
@lye54 Circumcised or uncircumcised penises stink if you don't clean it. Fact: Uncircumcised penises are more sensitive, therefor blowjobs would be more pleasurable for those that are not cut. :D Sucks for you!
@jx14aby Hello! I did not refer to labia removal, which is genital mutilation by some sick culture. In fact, female circumcision is totally unnecessary.
You said uncircumcised penises stink. I don't know if that's true, cuz I've never smelled one. However, I have gone down on several females and their genitalia iare not noted for their fragrant aroma. In fact, just the opposite.
And all the women I've known were kind enough to make sure my destination was a clean one.
I get the feeling you like the idea of circumcision. That's fine, but for babies, its his penis. And his decision.
"I did not refer to labia removal, which is genital mutilation by some sick culture"
Sure, it has NOTHING to do with male circumcision!
Someone in my family was in a catholic school. A teacher said, in Africa they are so primitive, they venerate totems and statues. She said, but we venerate a statue of Jesus on a cross. Of course the teacher was outraged, coz it had NOTHING to do with that!
Labias are unnecessary, ugly, smelly and trap dirt. Yuck!!! So much cleaner without them!
@SergeDevinge It is possible to keep labias clean and odour free without mutilation. Heard of soap and water? Douche after every pee and for that matter after every poop. It is the practice of some cultures and a fine practice for men too.
You show up saying uncircumcised penises stink, but as soon as we talk about removing a piece of female genitals, you say it's possible to keep them clean without mutilation. Interesting double standard, pretty common il proponents of circumcision.
By the way, nobody makes fun of uncircumcised penises because they feel uncomfortable about seeing somebody with an ungainly hunk of extra skin down there. It's because it looks fucking retarded. Three cheers for the hooded knight!
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, who cares who's had a circumcision? It's a matter of opinion whether or not it's "moral" and for some people it's about how it looks. I've been with several women who laughed at the idea of being with an uncircumcised man, and I've been with several othe
How's this a religious/atheist argument?
1TheLoneWolf1 4 days ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
- "How's this a religious/atheist argument?"
Circumcision is a religious practice that come straight out of the Bronze Age.
TheAtheistExperience 4 days ago
@TheAtheistExperience
Actually it pre-dates Abrahamic religions. The Ancient Egyptians practiced and most likely they weren't the first either. Also yes I agree these days many do it for religious reasons. However the caller wasn't raising it as a religious matter.
My stance on circumcision, I'm not pro, or against. There are cases in which it's might have merit.
My point was it was kind of outside of what I usually expect to find on the show.
1TheLoneWolf1 3 days ago
What song is playing at the intro?
JoltZero 2 weeks ago
@JoltZero "What song is playing at the intro?"
Where have you been lately? It's the theme from "Dr. Who," a series that has been around since 1963. Trivia: One of the characters in the 1979 series was played by Lalla Ward, the wife of Richard Dawkins.
TheAtheistExperience 2 weeks ago
Meissner's corpuscles... 20000 of them... lost to ignorance. FUCK YOU HUMANITY!!
EliteDoomer 2 weeks ago
i have full uncircumcised penis
hellcielo 1 month ago
I fully agree that it's become very status quo.... "uncircumcised looks icky!!!"
Well, I guess you won't want to go to bed with me then -- because my parents respected my rights as a child... I keep my penis clean, and I have greater sensitivity as a result of that PROTECTIVE skin, so there :P
It's a LOT to do with... "I am circumcised, you should be too"
The origins of it though, yes, religious.
They ridicule just because you are different... with undertones of superstition.
inputverifier 1 month ago
Those African studies have now been thoroughly debunked. Recently, studies have been done that showed that the foreskin has what is essentially a virus-killer cell called a Langerhans cell that traps and kills viruses like HIV.
There's definitely a pro-circumcision agenda. The fact is, a lot of these doctors who did these studies and who are pushing these studies are either circumfetishists or Jews who are afraid that America is the last secular support for the practice of Brit Milah.
BeeryUSA 2 months ago
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Human body is a perfect design.
No research ever will debunk the usefulness of foreskin.
LethalDozePL 3 months ago in playlist Male Circumcision
Why Yahweh is so obsessed with all things sexual? I started to think he is insecure in that area.
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@Mrmoc7
If you knew anything about anything, you'd know that it's only the rarest form of FGM that amounts to "destruction" of the female genitalia. The most common forms are actually less severe then male circumcision.
And yes, male circumcision DOES destroy part of the male genitalia, and a very important part at that.
If you knew ANYTHING about this issue, you'd know these things.
brajamtho757 3 months ago
This video is EXCELLENT! This woman NAILED it!
brajamtho757 3 months ago
my mom told me that the foreskin of african babies (more than other races) had medical benefits like for cancer patients. idk where she heard it or if its true but thats wierd right? whats wrong with white foreskin lol
jsamari 5 months ago
I'm so damned glad I didn't allow my son to be circumcised. THANK YOU to my baby's pediatrician (who was from India, which may have helped him develop a different perspective of "normal"). And a great big middle finger to my ex-husband who wanted his son to "look like him".
Crunchy68 6 months ago
Reclaim your anteater!!!!
donadthegonad 6 months ago
An uncircumcised penis was against the Jewish religion. although the Greeks saw it as a natural part of the body, the Jews saw it as revolting. A statue of a man with a circumcised penis looks so unatural and bazaar that Greeks couldnt even fathom of sculpting such a statue. Unless ofcourse it was depicting a sexual act.
ZeusTelemaxos 7 months ago
TRUST ME ON THIS...For those of you who have traveled abroad, and have wondered why Greek and Roman statues are missing their penises. Here is the answer. When the jews came and preached christianity to the Greeks and Romans..One of the things that they tried to convince people of was the godliness of circumcision. So EVERYWHERE they went, be it in Greek Egypt or Athens or Ephesos or Rome. one of the things they made sure they did was to snap off ALL the uncircumcised penises on the statues.
ZeusTelemaxos 7 months ago
@ZeusTelemaxos Do you have evidence of this claim? I have some serious doubts. For example Michelangelo made anatomically incorrect statures of David. His David"s were all uncircumcised, since David was a Jew he would have been cut.
subductionzone 5 months ago
@subductionzone
"cut" ? you mean MUTILATED ! say it its ok, You say "cut" to lessen the impact of what it actually is which is mutilation. and yes its impossible to sculpt a human male body in the right context with a circumcised penis. It looks retarted and wrong. Michaelangelo wasnt stupid. Ofcourse he made a statue of David. Except that it was a copy of a million classical hellenistic statues. Down to the Greek toe and the uncircumcised penis
ZeusTelemaxos 5 months ago
@ZeusTelemaxos You dodged the question. You are as bad as Christians who mindlessly circumcise their sons. You have an extreme and unwarranted bias against circumcision. And you are also wrong about Michelangelo. In much of Europe circumcision was the exception rather than the rule. In fact that is one way that Jewish men were identified in Germany. In Michelangelo's time all of the Italian men would have been intact. That is why he made the mistake, that was all he was used to seeing.
subductionzone 5 months ago
@subductionzone
Ok now i know youre missing a few marbles.so in your warped view, Michaelangelo made the statue as a direct copy of dozens of Hellenistic statues but left the penis intact because he didnt know what a circumcised penis looked like? Is that the moronic statement that youre making? Michaelangelo made a mistake? is that what they taught you in your Mosque or Synnogogue? Why would Michaelangelo make a mutilated statue?
ZeusTelemaxos 5 months ago
@ZeusTelemaxos You poor fanatic fool. They do not circumcise in the Muslim religion. Nor do most Christians. That is a process that is done mostly in the U.S.. Once again, David was a Jew. An uncircumcised David was a mistake, period. I am not an advocate of circumcision in any way. But then I am not a fanatic either. Since David was a Jew he should have been portrayed with a circumcised penis to be historically correct. That is not saying that circumcision is a good thing or bad.
subductionzone 5 months ago
@subductionzone I don't want to come off like a know-it-all, but the truth is circumcision is practically universal in Islamic countries. In fact, (and I'm not making this up)countries like Turkey and Indonesia literally throw parties during which legions of pre-teen boys line up to be circumcised. It's pretty grotesque, to say the least, but Americans sending their sons off to be cut behind closed doors in a hospital are no better, honestly.
DetestableCrabmeat 4 months ago
@ZeusTelemaxos And just to set your mind at ease. If I have a son I will probably not have him circumcised. I see no logical reason to do so. But your fanatical view will turn away possible allies. And yes, I was born in the U.S. and was circumcised. I don't think my son should have to "look like me". I do have a Seventh Day Adventist brother who did have his son circumcised for that reason and I thought it was a bit sick. I never checked on what my atheist brother did with his sons.
subductionzone 5 months ago
@subductionzone
allright lets end this silly debate. good for you for giving your son a choice rather than making it for him.
ZeusTelemaxos 5 months ago
@subductionzone Keep in mind, though, that the original circumcision rite was different than it is today- they only removed the part of the foreskin that went past the head of the penis and everything behind that was left alone, so while Michelangelo's David is not entirely accurate, it's not too far off from the truth either. The most likely reason for Michelangelo's David being the way it is, though, is that Michelangelo used a live model for the sculpture, and Italians did not and do not cut.
DetestableCrabmeat 4 months ago
@ComprimisedXInsanity Well if you're not intelligent enough to wash your penis properly, then it's probably good for you to be circumcised.
hanspeterpitsch 7 months ago
just cause some guy called in and claims to have a doctor friend doesn't mean its fact.
roda2007 7 months ago 3
@roda2007 yeah, but who claimed that to be the case..?
hanspeterpitsch 7 months ago
Hmmm i'm not circumsized and everyone woman that's ever seen my penis didn't seem to mind and in a few cases, notice.
InKa4484 7 months ago
@ComprimisedXInsanity Disease is not caused by natural healthy functioning body-parts. Disease is caused by our lifestyle and behaviour. The idea that an intact male is more prone to disease than one with bits cut off is as strange as the idea that a circumcised woman is healthier than an uncircumcised one.
endofscene 7 months ago
@ComprimisedXInsanity How is it hygienic to cut off a perfectly natural and healthy body-part? Would the eyes be more "hygienic" if we cut off our eyelids? Would the vagina be more hygienic if women were circumcised? The eyes and vagina are self-cleansing, as is the penis. If you desire or require cleansing of the penis the solution is very simple - washing. You spend a few moments in the shower, as you would with any other body-part.
endofscene 7 months ago
@ComprimisedXInsanity wrote "Nobody likes a smelly penis. NOBODY."
So why aren't women circumcised for the same reason? The amputation of the clitoral hood and possibly the labia minora would have the same hygienic improvement. Perhaps circumcised men would grow a taste for such cut genitals and demand that their female partners undergo a similar circumcision.
feministsAreCorrupt 7 months ago
best intro EVER!!!
thelateoscar 7 months ago
Wait, so the majority of american men are circumsised? Non american here, will somebody explain?
foxmcloud555 7 months ago
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@foxmcloud555 The majority of American men are circumcised. You can look it up on the net.
endofscene 7 months ago
@foxmcloud555
America is retarded. Though until your country bans it you're not much better.
brajamtho757 3 months ago
great video
BolnoyBratchny 8 months ago
It's just smegma dogma.
Brenda2OOO 8 months ago
As a circumcised male, I will NOT be doing this to any son that I might have. If he wants his foreskin removed, he can do that when he's old enough to make such a decision.
WVJimbo 8 months ago
@WVJimbo wrote "As a circumcised male, I will NOT be doing this to any son that I might have"
I'm also a circumcised American father that spared his son of circumcision.
feministsAreCorrupt 7 months ago
Not only is the UN's support for prophylactic circumcision unfounded, it's sexist as hell.
TiniNormi 8 months ago
Cutting is just barbaric. There is no real need for it except if the foreskin cause discomfort. Even then, all it takes is a bit of exercise softening the foreskin--a perfect excuse for masturbation and lots of fun sex!
bartonim 8 months ago
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Circumcision: because mutilating your child's genitals is easier than education
06mustangCE 8 months ago
Circumcision..., somewhere along the way some study showed it might SLIGHTLY reduce chances of CONTRACTING HIV. It, however, does not reduce the chance of SPREADING HIV, AT ALL. So, selling cirumcision to Afrika, or to anyone else, as a cure, or remedy is utter and complete BS.
On the contrary: it is EXTREMELY dangerous: circumcised people migth actually believe they are safe (?!) encouraging unsafe sexual contacts, thus increasing the spread of HIV!!
Lamstraler 8 months ago 3
end of scene. YIKES. I am sitting here discussing the head of my class with, a gay guy? Does that make me, like, bi or something? unsure... I need to get my head around this. OOps. I mean, uh - oh. this all can;t be good.. No wonder you are intellectual. Where is that lucky lucy? I think I'll talk this out with her.
MrStupidHead 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead You will find that a lot of intactivists happen to be gay. We seem to have an interest in penises and good sex. We also tend to be interested in human rights and sexuality. And the more intelligent among us tend to have an intimate appreciation for what a real penis is and how it works.
endofscene 8 months ago 2
@endofscene The majority of those against circumcision are parents, and of course, they are in a position to be choosing against that surgery.
feministsAreCorrupt 7 months ago
end of scene. and lucky lucy for that matter. I feel a great attachment to my penis. I know it like the back of my hand. It - and I - have a great fondness for each other. And I speak for both of us, and say - we love our little cut job. I am pretty sure that neither of us was permanently injured in the process. And yet, we are so damned proud of our look. And we are quite happy together. We recommend it highly, and take great offense that female lopping it off, is anything like our doo.
MrStupidHead 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead Of course you do.
endofscene 8 months ago
LOL! Matt: "The UN doesn't want to take on the UN!" :D
TimothyStuartRiches 9 months ago
end of scene. You are obviously a LITTLE TOO INVOLVED with dicks. Now, myself, having one, I think it is a lot cuter just the way it is. Ask any guy, you want one of those ugly weird looking uncut jobs? NO way. I mean really, what do you want to show a woman? One of those uncut jobs with smegma dripping from them? ICK. or one like mine! Betcha chicks dig mine better.
So keep your rant for someone who cares. I didn't need that extra skin for nothing. Just gets in the way. Looks good now!
MrStupidHead 9 months ago
@MrStupidHead Hello. If you want to communicate with me then I suggest using the reply button to one of my comments. How am I "a little too involved with dicks"? What does that mean? I against genital mutilation. If you think intact genitals look "ugly" and "weird" that is your opinion. In cultures that practice FGM the same is said about intact vulvas. In ancient china a woman was not beautiful unless her feet were deformed and dwarfed.
endofscene 9 months ago 3
@MrStupidHead We are conditioned during our upbringing by our environment to find certain things attractive or unattractive. Doubtless there would be many people who prefer the appearance of intact penises, although disdain for circumcised penises by the intact is usually much less viscious and twisted because the intact have lost nothing and so usually do not feel a need to lash out. At the very most an intact person may wish to become circumcised to fit in with their surrounding society.
endofscene 9 months ago 2
@MrStupidHead Most penises in the world are intact and most women consider them normal or even wonderful. Now, a lot of women in the USA have a irrational bias against intact penises. American men don't have this bias against intact vulvas. And those women who are revulsed by an intact penis are also revulsed by the thought of being circumcised themselves. Go figure. There is nothing disgusting about normal natural healthy genitalia on both sexes. It is antisexual and prudish to think so.
endofscene 9 months ago 29
@endofscene See what I mean? You admit it. Most women are REVULSED by your Mr. Natural. Hey, when I move to Saudi Arabia, maybe I'll get it put back on. Till then, wish they ALL could be California (world's most beautiful) Girls. They get a look see on a Mr. Natural and they either run from the room, or puke in the nearest garbage can. But I'm sure your winning ways and veggie habits make up for it. Your chick o' desire probably has hairy - uh, - stuff all over! Good for you! Take 'em!
MrStupidHead 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead Most females in this world are not American. If an American woman or man (or any other man or woman) is revulsed by my penis then I consider that their problem. I am not revulsed by their genitalia, whether they be intact or circumcised, male or female. Some genitals look better than others just as some faces and bodies do, but that has little to do with circumcision, although personally I do prefer the appearance of intact genitals.
endofscene 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead I'm not actually sure if I should be responding to you because you are obviously very twisted and immature and have serious issues. But for the sake of the thread, you cannot "get it put back on" and they circumcise in Saudi Arabia because they are Muslim.
endofscene 8 months ago
@endofscene good point about Saudis. I stand corrected. As for putting it back on, if they can build a whole one from scratch, they can put that cap back on.
See? I'm not so immature. After all, I am not on a one man crusade to convince the preponderance of hot American chicks, that that floppy thing is SUPPOSED to look like that. Notwithstanding what they were expecting to see after all that internet porn they have been watching.
But I hope you and yours find your hairy mates! Naturally!
MrStupidHead 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead As far as I know no one can "build a whole [foreskin/penis] from scratch". Are you referring to a sex change operation? They don't build genitals from scratch. They try to approximate genitals with pre-existing tissue in a very makeshift way, far from the real thing.
I'm not trying to convince American women of anything. I know there are many American women who don't care either way or even prefer intact. And I happen to be gay and Australian.
endofscene 8 months ago 2
@MrStupidHead There is no "supposed to". That's just the way it looks. Get used to it. I happen to like it. If you want to alter it then go ahead. If you want to shave or wax then go ahead. Do whatever you want to your own body.
endofscene 8 months ago
@endofscene Most queers, myself included, aren't repulsed by intact penises either, as long as they have something worth while attached to them......
richwfd2002 7 months ago
@MrStupidHead If a woman is so shallow and ignorant that she can't get over an actual complete penis then she is not worth the trouble. It would not be wise to get sexually or romantically involved with such a person, as they ignorance and immaturity will not be limited to the issue of penises, I can assure you.
endofscene 9 months ago 38
@endofscene women in the states are for a lack of a better word "trained" to dislike a complete penis, its just how society works, thats one important reason of why parents circumcise their babies, so they can fit in when they grow up, I honestly think that the fact that girls prefer mutilated penises is gross, but there is no one to blame, I dont like circumsised penises cause I grew up in a place where that just doesent happen. so please dont just blame it on the girls
good day =]
smiletheproblemsaway 8 months ago 3
@smiletheproblemsaway I agree with you. I wasn't blaming anything on girls or women, though.
endofscene 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead Smegma doesn't drip. Pre-cum and semen and urine can all drip. Smegma is a solid waxy substance. Both men and women can develop it. It is not toxic and is easily washed away if desired. All it takes is a few seconds in the shower every now and then; hardly a big deal.
As to whether chicks like your penis better than... well that would be up to the chick, I guess. I personally don't base my self-esteem around which people endorse my penis.
endofscene 9 months ago 2
@endofscene - a solid waxy substance. I need that little extra in my life.
MrStupidHead 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead The benefits of foreskin are mostly sexual and to do with sensation not smegma, just as the benefits of having ears are mostly sensual and to do with hearing, not ear wax :)
endofscene 8 months ago
@endofscene 10 points for Griffindor! Very clever and witty. A truly worthy opponent.
I will rejoinder here with the observation that additional sensitivity would not make my life any easier. Last thing I need is for Mr. Happy to be any happier! He would NEVER shut up!
MrStupidHead 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead This is a common mistake that circumcised men make when they hear that an intact penis is more sensitive. They think it means that they would have so much sensitivity that they would blow in their pants all the time, or at least have no staying power. This is not what increased sensitivity means. That would be over-sensitivity or hyper-sensitivity, and the body is not naturally wired that way. The intact penis is capable of a greater range of sensation than a circumcised one.
endofscene 8 months ago 2
@MrStupidHead Using the sensation of vision as an analogy, you could say circumcised is vision in black and white, while intact is full colour. The light is not necessarily any brighter in full colour, it is just that the experience has another dimension and is more rich. Similarly, you could say that circumcised is like listening to an orchestra play Mozart without the strings section. The music isn't getting louder, but without the strings the symphony is not complete.
endofscene 8 months ago 2
@MrStupidHead It has also been said that a circumcised penis is like an on-off switch, whereas intact is like an accelerator pedal, capable of different degrees of sensation and control. Yes, the glans is more sensitive and the foreskin is sensitive, but this is in a good way, and the brain can handle it. The brain is receiving more sensory input but it also able to use and integrate that input for control. It is a very well-balanced system, like all the other bodily sensory systems.
endofscene 8 months ago 2
@MrStupidHead You raise another issue which some Jews, such as Maimonides, like to stress. That being that if intact sex is so good then a man would think of nothing else. Intact sex is very good, but it doesn't make a man sex-crazy. Natural sex is naturally satisfying, whereas it has been argued that a circumcised men is never truly able to completely satisfy himself (because of the lost sensation and function) and hence he can never quite get sex out of his mind.
endofscene 8 months ago 3
@MrStupidHead It would be like a person who could not experience an orgasm but who had sexual lust and desire. He would never reach a point of total satisfaction and so could becomes obsessed. Now, I am not sure how true these last ponderings are, but they serve to support the idea that the body and mind and quite capable of dealing with natural sex and natural sex organs. It has been designed that way by God or Nature and it works perfectly.
endofscene 8 months ago
@MrStupidHead My comments here are for anyone who wants to read them. You are free to disagree, which you obviously have done, but I believe you are reacting from deep insecurity about your penis and I pity that. I'm sure you're a nice person and I understand how hard it can be to accept the reality of what was done to you.
endofscene 9 months ago 3
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@MrStupidHead Foreskin is not "extra skin". It is standard biological equipment and natural genital anatomy. It has functions and exists as part of the penis for a reason. If you as a teenager were not aware of that then you were not alone-most teenagers are not aware of the functions of most of their organs. Most people are unaware of many things because of lack of education and experience. My foreskin does not get in the way of anything for me but rather is an essential part of my penis.
endofscene 9 months ago
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@MrStupidHead If you chose to get circumcised as a adolescent or adult in order to fit in with the society around you then I can understand that. It must be very hard growing up feeling so insecure about your penis. And if you prefer the way it looks now then good for you. Fortunately I think circumcision is becoming less common in the USA and intact penises are becoming more accepted so what you went through will hopefully become less common with time. I wish you well, bro.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrStupidHead Men have also evolved over billions of years to have a foreskin. All men are born with one and it is universal in a all races, this would suggest that the foreskin serves a purpose. The purpose is to protect the head of the penis and also serves to preserve sensitivity of the penis. for someone who actually HAS a penis, you seem to know very little about how it functions.
LucyInk121 8 months ago
I fucking knew it.
Circumcision is irreversible mutilation.
When you do it to an infant, you are doing substantial harm to a baby.
When you circumcise a baby, you should be imprisoned.
pkemrin 9 months ago
I've often heard that the health benefits of circumcision have been falsified over the years. In fact decades ago when boys would get circumsized as common practice about the only boys that wouldn't get circumsized were sons of doctors because most doctors knew that circumcision doesn't help health in anyway and that it's a painful and unnecessary procedure. I know here in Canada we can't use health care to pay for circumcision as health Canada views it only as cosmetic now and unnecessary.
shohmyoh 10 months ago 2
Even though I disagree with circ and think the UN study was flawed, they should remember to question everything the guy said. Which they did a little bit at the end. but imagine if a guy called in and said what was said except about the prayer studies.
nospacesallowed 10 months ago
I'll never trust the UN again.
dutchbb1979 10 months ago
circumcision is done as a rite of passage not for medical or health reasons in most African cultures
uoxleonard 10 months ago
@uoxleonard Why?
endofscene 9 months ago
A guy (unknown) calls up and relates all kinds of hearsay, about "studies" (unnamed) and hints at a vast right wing conspiracy to cut the heads off diks all over the world. I believe our hosts and ourselves need a whole lot more information to keep us from descending into the darkness shared by the "I know it in my heart crowd".
Science is always the grandest and best seeker and discoverer of truth. This however is far, far, from science.
MrStupidHead 11 months ago
@MrStupidHead sounds like "mr stupid head" is missing half of his dick LMFAO
pathetic
from what i have read, the caller's claims have been proven to be true through most
european medical sources
sorry you're missing half of your dick, kiddo
russmckinley 11 months ago
@russmckinley Precisely my point. Not that arguing on youtube is the height of intellectual discourse. But the "in my heart crowd", uses factual information like this: "from what I have read". and "european medical sources". You couldn't get any less credible Russ, unless you started throwing around dick related barbs like you were back in junior high. Oh, you are.
MrStupidHead 11 months ago
@MrStupidHead go to emanet.org (european medical association)
bma.org (british medical association)
ama-assn.org (american medical assoc.) and read what they say about the "UN study" before calling me "less credible" junior high?...this coming from "Mr Stupid Head"
You couldn't get any more desperate if you tried. Go to those websites, read what they say about it, and then tell me it's not credible. You (on the other hand) have NO sources besides the UN
I bet you're just circumcised, thats why
russmckinley 11 months ago
@MrStupidHead But even if you don't check out the studies that contradict the "UN study" (like the Bormann study of 2010) you can look at simple statistics...such as..
The U.S. HIV infection rate is 4 times higher than the rate in Europe (whey very few are circumcised)....or the fact that at least 11 African countries have higher HIV rates among the circumcised population.
But I don't think you even care. That's the real problem...."Mr Stupid Head"
I think you picked a good name for yourself
russmckinley 11 months ago
@MrStupidHead You are right to be skeptical of what this man says, but if you do the research you will find that the studies he is referring to are highly contested. Circumcision is genital mutilation and it can be very hard for circumcised males to accept what was done to them. They have to believe there must be some positive to it. But there is no positive to having part of your penis cut off as a baby. If you want to do this as an adult, fine. But most boys have no say in the matter.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrStupidHead We all know what the studies are. They have been in the press for months now. His point, and the point of many who have responded to those studies in much more express and precise ways than this man, is that the studies were not scientific, from their motivation to their method to their conclusions.
endofscene 9 months ago
Opening makes me laugh every time.
echalko 11 months ago 2
Even if circumcision was a guarantee for not contracting AIDS, not to circumcise babies wouldn't be a problem because CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE SEX. When they are old enough to have sex they are old enough to make the decision of whether or not to have their foreskin removed.
zastderg 1 year ago 4
UNCUT COCKS FTW!
P0weredByPie 1 year ago 16
LOVE the Doctor Who opening.
progrockcoffee 1 year ago
Circumcision mutilates children and has for thousands of years. AIDS was only identified 30 years ago. Circumcision is done, as it always has been, for ill-informed religious reasons.
sketto 1 year ago 10
July 18 Lancet --Circumcision doesn't reduce transmission of HIV from infected men to women, says a study that included 922 HIV-infected men in Uganda.
Dr. Maria Wawer of Johns Hopkins "Circumcision of HIV-infected men DID NOT REDUCE HIV TRANSMISSION to female partners over 24 months; longer-term effects could not be assessed. Condom use after male circumcision is essential for HIV prevention," The study was stopped early due to "futility".
neechee5150 1 year ago
@neechee5150
Actually, the study you are talking about found a 50% INCREASED risk for women with circumcised partners ; but this result was not yet statistically significant (the total number of infections was too low to draw a valid conclusion), so Wawer (big proponent of circumcsion) stopped the trial early, before the result would become significant. The official exucse being "obviously there is no protection, so no need to continue the trial"... Blatantly dishonest.
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@SergeDevinge I suspected that the study was stoppped becuase it did not give the answers that Wawer wanted. If she were truly looking for the truth, she and her associates would have just finished the study and then let the data speak for itself. Once again, this Wawer study proves that "scientists" who have social policy and social engineerring as their core goals, do not produce real legitimate science with integrity. There needs to be a complete separation of politics from science.
neechee5150 1 year ago
Brain removal at birth reduces the chances of brain cancer later in life, as well as immunising against all known psychoses.
TheShadowOfMars 1 year ago
Prostate removal at birth reduces the chances of prostate cancer later in life.
LiQuiDPeZ 1 year ago
Im clipped. I like it. Im used to it. My son is clipped. No medical reason. My dad wasnt. Its only for cosmetic reasons.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
Do you think cosmetic surgery on babies is OK?
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@SergeDevinge
In a certain capacity, yes.
Circumcisions, deformities, infections.
Im assuming that all these people who seem against it, and have been circumcised, have taken this up with their parents and shown their outrage and im sure you all hate the idea of bobbing a dogs tail, or declawing a cat, or cutting the teeth off of a baby pig-which is what almost all hog farmers do.
So at what age do you think your child can make the decision to pierce their ears?
MrKevMan 1 year ago
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@SergeDevinge
I gave you what are good reasons to me.
I brought up points that i felt were aligned enough to use.
You dont agree, but then again, your reasons are just as subjective to me as mine are to you.
You also added a lot more to my comment than i added and make assertions that exaggerated my statements to the point of no longer part of my conversation.
Twist my words around all you want, its pretty plain to see that you are making blanks and filling them in as if you were me.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
"your reasons are just as subjective to me as mine are to you"
There is nothing subjective in saying circumcision is removal of a normal body part, and permanent alteration of the body of a non-consenting minor. And you didn't answer, why would "cosmetic" circumcision be allowed and not tatoo/piercing? Recently in USA a man was sent to PRISON for tatooing his kid. What is the big difference between that and circumcision?
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@SergeDevinge
Then why do you dress your sons in pants and your daughters in dresses?
What about braces?
As parents we do our best to make decisions for our children that are in their best interests and inform them why.
I think the difference between tattooing and circumcision is ink, amputation, and societal tradtions.
What about that tribes that invert the penis, stretch ears and lips, chip teeth, stretch necks, stump fingers, scarify, and have the whole family live and sleep naked?
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
I can't believe you have the nerve to compare circumcision with clothing... It's not a lifetime decision to put a dress on your 3yo daughter!
Just because something is a tradition doesn't make it right.
Braces correct teeth -anomalies-. And they do not remove anything.
I love that argument, "it's OK because other people do worse".
SergeDevinge 1 year ago 2
@SergeDevinge
I have lots of nerve to not agree with you.
And yes, they do remove teeth when they put braces on you, sometimes they break the jaw.
Go hate your parents for your forskin removal. When you get yours back, get back to me.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
When they remove teeth, it's often for reasons beyond mere aesthetic. Problems when wisdom teeth grow, and more simply certain surfaces inaccessible to toothbrush.
My parents didn't have my foreskin removed. Most europeans don't even remotely think of doing some kind of plastic amputation to welcome their newborn son.
SergeDevinge 1 year ago 3
@SergeDevinge
The tooth removal im talking about is for braces to allow the contraption to fit into the mouth to reshape the teeth for astethic reasons. If you are so mad at your parents for you penis, take it up with them. Im willing to bet that there are more people who either dont think about it or like their cirumcision than there are that dont.
How many politicians use banning circumcision as a campaign platform? How do you think that would go over with the voters?
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan I never had that and neither did anyone I know. If my parents had taken me to some quack who pulled my teeth out for some sort of apparatus then I'd probably be pretty pissed.
He's not mad at his parents, he is intact.
Right, because if something doesn't go over with voters then it must be false or bad. Politicians don't use anti-circumcision in their campaign because they don't want to offend, they want to get elected.
Circumcision is genital mutilation.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan I believe that alot of medicine and dentistry is unnecessary and an attempt to make money. But we are not going to remove healthy teeth from all children and we are not going to routinely break kids' jaws. Similarly we should not be routinely cutting the penises of babies.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan Children need clothes. They don't need circumcision. And if you believe that boys do require circumcision then (a) how come there are so many healthy and happy intact boys and men, and (b) why don't girls require it too?
Braces don't remove any bodyparts from the child. They attempt to correct a cosmetic issue. Dr Weston Price showed that we wouldn't even need braces et al if we had a more natural healthy diet and lifestyle.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan Primitive tribes that perform bodily mutilations on their members are just that-primitive tribes. If you want to live at the level of a primitive African tribe or a Bronze Age Palestinian farmer, then go ahead. But the majority of modern society has moved on from that level.
You do raise an excellent point, though. If you circumcise your son/s then you are no different to primitive tribesmen who perform bodily mutilation because they think it looks better.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan Anything claimed as a legitimate reason to circumcise a baby boy should also be applied to girls. I am against cutting off healthy parts of little babies. But if you are going to be for it then you at least need to be consistent and include both sexes. You won't do this because your reasons are not rational. You want to cut parts of boys but not off girls. One is good, the other is bad. This is incongruent, and it shows.
endofscene 9 months ago
@SergeDevinge We cannot tattoo babies. In fact a man was recently jailed in the USA for doing so. At what age should people be allowed to get tattoos? Well, that is debatable and should be discussed in forums and courts. Tattoos are more permanent than piercings. They cannot be undone. But whether we decide to allow the age of consent for tattoos to be 16, 18, or 21, the point is that it is already illegal to do to babies, as should circumcision be also.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan It would depend on the society. Perhaps during the teenage years. Perhaps as an adult. However, ear-piercing, although risky, is not irreversible. Nothing is being permanently removed, much less normal healthy valuable genital tissue. You are putting a hole in a girls ear lobes. This can lead to infection and death, but if done properly the hole will seal back up again if not used.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan
And what right do you have to make that decision for your son? What right did your father to do it to you? Why force it on someone when they can't say "No", rather than wait until they've grown up and let them choose for themselves?
jwbartle 1 year ago
@jwbartle
By the right that the choices i make are not harmful to my child for whom i make the majority of decisions for. Millions of people have been circumcised, and im pretty sure a vast majority dont give a crap either way because it does not negativly impact them.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
Do you think parents should be allowed to tatoo, pierce, or scare their kids in a way that seem "aesthetic" to them?
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
"because it does not negativly impact them."
I'd argue that sex being less enjoyable is a negative impact.
Yanma 1 year ago
@Yanma
I guess for a true determination of the truth of that statement would be to get a bunch of uncircumcised men, have them have sex, rate it, then get clipped, then have them have sex again and rate it.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
Or realize that logically you can't clip off a sensitive area without loosing some of the sensitivity in the area. Or the fact that without the foreskin covering the head the head is exposed and therefore going to loose feeling. This isn't a matter of "Well, you can't really know unless..." You don't have to blind someone in one eye to realize that your sight will suffer if you only have one eye.
Yanma 1 year ago
@MrKevMan There are testimonies from many men circumcised as adults, and many of them attest to worse sex. Many women also say that sex is worse circumcised. Now these are just personal testimonies and there will be many in opposition. However, the majority of circumcised as adult that are happy with it are those who grew up in circumcising cultures and were teased and rejected and were only too happy to become cut and fit in.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan Also, the foreskin has many functions, known in part of whole to most intelligent intact adults. It has been shown to contain thousands of nerve-endings. Logically it has a purpose and is there for a reason. Most intact men never decide to be circumcised. At the very least, this should be a choice left up to the man himself.
How many women choose to get circumcised as adults? Why would they? We wouldn't dare circumcise baby girls. Boys should be afforded the same rights.
endofscene 9 months ago
@Yanma
Complications from surgery and, in some cases (albeit just a few in 1st world countries), emergency removal of the entire penis would be a negative factor, dontcha think?
LiQuiDPeZ 1 year ago
@LiQuiDPeZ
I'm...not disagreeing with you?
Yanma 1 year ago
@MrKevMan Just because people say they don't care doesn't mean they haven't been negatively impacted. It's called ignorance and denial. Most circumcised men are not aware of what they have lost, and if they hear about it then they go into denial. It takes courage to face up to pain and loss. And for a man to have had a valuable part of his penis cut off as a baby, well that is very hard to accept.
So stay in denial and keep defending and justifying the practice.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan Parents must make hundreds of important choices for their children, but they don't always make the right choices. They can and do make decisions that end up harming their children. This is because most people are not perfect, don't know everything, and were never taught to be parents. In this way the sins of the father are passed onto the son unless and until one single generation has the awareness and the courage to break the cycle.
endofscene 9 months ago
Im clipped. I like it. Im used to it. My son is clipped. It looks nice.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan Cultures that circumcise women think it looks nicer too.
endofscene 9 months ago
@MrKevMan They don't clip it. You clip grass or toenails, both of which grow back. They cut it. To be precise they stretch and clamp and tear and rip and slice part of the baby's penis off, usually without anaesthetic. It's barbaric. The foreskin is natural tissue and standard anatomy. It is there for a reason.
endofscene 9 months ago
Google....Defeating HIV = AIDS
"The questions, “Who proved that HIV attacks cells and causes AIDS? How? Where was this published?”, are routinely evaded by defenders of the orthodoxy; but they could not evade them in court. How could even the most expert witness respond? — “the most rigorous peer review . . . comes from cross-examination . . . in the courtroom” Could Fauci or Gallo be reduced to pleading the Fifth, not answering for fear of self-incrimination?"
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
Unfortunately ALL "hiv" research is crap. The "discoverer" AND test kit patent holder "L Ron" Gallo never found any such virus of mass destruction. He jst called a press conference and patented a test. ALL research revolvound th results of Gallo's fradulent test.
Google.....Circumcision and condom idiocies
"THINK about it, please. Circumcision supposedly protects against “HIV” whether or not the male is wearing a condom?! How could that possibly be?"
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
I am uncut, but I AM critical of uncut guys that don't wash properly or have phimosis (can't retract the foreskin over the glans).
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
*if there was the same drive to find benefits to fgc*
queenanalsex 1 year ago
all these unethical studies have been put forward to try to find benefits. they would never to that for fgm. they did studies to try to prove fmg increases aids then found that it reduces hiv transmission by a similar amount to mgm. women have much more chance of getting genital infections than men, if there was the same drive to find to fgc youd certainly find them. u dnt cut off someones breasts without their consent (would be more practical). you dont cut of a human baby's foreskin
queenanalsex 1 year ago
I'm tired of arguing with the amateur intellectuals, the mental midgets, child-atheists that litter these forums. Circumcision reduces your chances of getting AIDS. End of discussion.
Mrmoc7 1 year ago
@Mrmoc7
Bullshit.
And what would you say if I told you HIV is nothing but a big scam?
jx14aby 1 year ago
@jx14aby
Then I would say go have unprotected sex with 100 prostitutes in South Africa and we'll see if you don't die in 10 years. If you don't, I guess you were right afterall. If you do, good riddance.
Mrmoc7 1 year ago
@Mrmoc7
Watch the videos right here on youtube. They're very interesting.
jx14aby 1 year ago
@Mrmoc7
I just watched it again:
"HIV/AIDs a scam?" If you know anything about HIV, it's fascinating.
jx14aby 1 year ago
@jx14aby
Seriously? You think I'm going to have an argument about HIV being a real disease on youtube? lmao. Seriously? Hahahahahahah!!! I wish I had that much free time....
Mrmoc7 1 year ago
@Mrmoc7
Obviously, you have beliefs and attitudes about certain things, like circumcision. Maybe everything you're been taught is a lie. Ever think about that?
jx14aby 1 year ago
@Mrmoc7
"*conclusion of a faithful person goes here*. End of discussion. "
CzarAdam2009 1 year ago
@CzarAdam2009
hmmm...
Looking through your channel, it seems I might have been wrong about you being religious. A lot of religious people are close-minded, so I might have jumped the gun a bit. I just get so tired of seeing the whole 'End of discussion' thing in all it's forms. I guess I got tired from all the difficult theists. :/
CzarAdam2009 1 year ago
circumcision should be a choice a man can make for himself when he is an adult. it should not be forced on an innocent child.
jimka2001 1 year ago 3
It is done to reduce population growth in africa.
VitreousCut 1 year ago
Hello, circumcised dicks do not stink and good for blowjobs
lye54 1 year ago
@lye54 Circumcised or uncircumcised penises stink if you don't clean it. Fact: Uncircumcised penises are more sensitive, therefor blowjobs would be more pleasurable for those that are not cut. :D Sucks for you!
kubush 1 year ago 3
@lye54
And you want your women's labia to be sliced off because it makes her vagina smell better. Good for you!
jx14aby 1 year ago
@jx14aby Hello! I did not refer to labia removal, which is genital mutilation by some sick culture. In fact, female circumcision is totally unnecessary.
lye54 1 year ago
@lye54
So is male circumcision.
jx14aby 1 year ago
@lye54
You said uncircumcised penises stink. I don't know if that's true, cuz I've never smelled one. However, I have gone down on several females and their genitalia iare not noted for their fragrant aroma. In fact, just the opposite.
And all the women I've known were kind enough to make sure my destination was a clean one.
I get the feeling you like the idea of circumcision. That's fine, but for babies, its his penis. And his decision.
jx14aby 1 year ago
@lye54
"I did not refer to labia removal, which is genital mutilation by some sick culture"
Sure, it has NOTHING to do with male circumcision!
Someone in my family was in a catholic school. A teacher said, in Africa they are so primitive, they venerate totems and statues. She said, but we venerate a statue of Jesus on a cross. Of course the teacher was outraged, coz it had NOTHING to do with that!
Labias are unnecessary, ugly, smelly and trap dirt. Yuck!!! So much cleaner without them!
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@SergeDevinge It is possible to keep labias clean and odour free without mutilation. Heard of soap and water? Douche after every pee and for that matter after every poop. It is the practice of some cultures and a fine practice for men too.
lye54 1 year ago
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@lye54 "Hello, circumcised dicks do not stink and good for blowjobs"
...later...
"It is possible to keep labias clean and odour free without mutilation. Heard of soap and water?"
Double standard at its best...
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
@lye54
You show up saying uncircumcised penises stink, but as soon as we talk about removing a piece of female genitals, you say it's possible to keep them clean without mutilation. Interesting double standard, pretty common il proponents of circumcision.
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
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@lye54
"Hello, circumcised dicks do not stink"
Have you ever gone down to an uncircumcised penis?
Smells less than a vagina, I can tell you.
SergeDevinge 1 year ago
BURNT MEN TALKIN.... LMFAO
42lynchmob 1 year ago
Hindus have uncircumcized penises !
Just couldn't resist it.
MrSigma 1 year ago
By the way, nobody makes fun of uncircumcised penises because they feel uncomfortable about seeing somebody with an ungainly hunk of extra skin down there. It's because it looks fucking retarded. Three cheers for the hooded knight!
chug20 1 year ago
@chug20
See, that's EXACTLY what the guy said : show an uncircumcised penis to a circumcised guy, and he HAS to make fun of it and make in look like inferior.
Insecure much?
SergeDevinge 1 year ago 2
@chug20
Research apotemnophilia.
jx14aby 1 year ago
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, who cares who's had a circumcision? It's a matter of opinion whether or not it's "moral" and for some people it's about how it looks. I've been with several women who laughed at the idea of being with an uncircumcised man, and I've been with several othe