Gurdjieff Sacred Dances Demo in Taiwan 2006

[mietinmiksin22]

@spotchtispice: Fine, but dont depict it as SACRED dances!!! If i study piano

for 3 years, i cant call myself a professional pianist.  Thank you for answering.

[mietinmiksin22]

SACRED DANCES THESE? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! i have watched real Gurdjieff

sacred dances, and this is Nothing like them. Listen to that low quality music.

Amazing how some Self-Appointed Gurus prostitute the sacred, CHEATING

AND MISLEADING THE PUBLIC. Real BS!

[spochtispice]

@mietinmiksin22 Originally we learned this in 1975 in Sherborne with a single piano !

[greenrate]

I'm glad . . . that when I was learning movements, I was given the courtesy of not being filmed.

Too bad the same courtesy was not extended here . . .

[Obataladance]

U dont talk U bark...so bye bye !!

[costocasso]

you are able to understand only cultural differences, and are not able to understand universal level of art. is mozart's music only cultural or is it even universal?? in the performing arts there are objective and universal elements, like in every art, but you are so ignoranto in this camp. ..in the Nature, in Cosmo, in the Art there are laws larger than your limited and cultural vision of life, sorry, this is your problem

[Obataladance]

i am a professional dancer of traditional and sacred dances of the world and Gurdjief as Madam Blavasky are the founder of New age esoterism...very in vogue now..sacdre geometry is founded in all dances as in everything...Gurdjieff hid from the public most his knowledge..quite sad...

[costocasso]

excuse me....Gurdjieff is not NEW AGE esoterism....he was a traditional master in a western mission...it's very different!...

the sacred dances wants a lot of maestry not simple new age feeling...

[Obataladance]

Sorry but i suggest u to read about antropology of dances and gestures..yes he was a new founder who came across with the nonsense of cosmic within dance..Dances from around te world are more related to cultural patterns, geography and history...The esoterism have been added by westeners who want to impose holism..This movements are more for robots..humans have a social and cultural side whatever new agers like it or not. Holism is just a scape goat to deny our pluralities...

[spapkis]

First we find out who Gurdjieff was , what his teachings were all about (Uspensky is a good source) , and then eachperson draws his own conclusions. The "inner self" is the target. Not the "known", the "ego".

Then the known and the unknown blend and one becomes "Zorba the Budha" as Osho says .

Look also for : "Osho teachings" , "Sufism" , "Zen".

Peace/Shalom/Salam

[delisaster]

@cheapcheap18

man, you are so blind, and narow. be cool, drink a cola and look for some britney video.

[qigong1001]

Sorry folks, there is no hidden mystical magical sacred thing. If someone claims knowledge of such things, then hide your wallet as fast as possible.

[cheapcheap18]

This is propaganda. The real teaching is not a teaching at all. It is a way to attract people into their evil sinister and nasty world. Stay as far away from any of the Gurdjieff groups in existance today they are cults that will lead you astray. They are evil sociopaths. They are after your money and they are just interested in ruining your life. They are putting these movies out there as a way to hide their true and evil intentions. It is a shortcut to hell.

[OpenMind00]

what would make u say such things?

[Obataladance]

I agree with u cheapcheap18, ts movement is kind of scientology but applied to movements..Dances rooted in CULTURE and HISTORY not in the cosmos !!!! New age holism is nonsense..we arent not one, we are different coz we have different cultures and even different DNA, Gurdieff is part of the NWO agenda to strip people off their believe into kind of robotic machines.

[costocasso]

aahahhahaah...this is not holism!..this is TRADITION, but you don't know NOTHING , but really nothing about esoteric traditions....dances are only culture and history????? ...ahahahahah..you don't know realy nothing !!!! we have two hands and two legs, and this fact is really more complex than cultural questions...go to study. come on!

[costocasso]

you are so confused...scientology and gurdjieff's teaching have nothing in common. they are like night and day...but you mix all in a patchwork!!!! you show your opinion - not based on really experience on these dances -like truth...you are the real superficial new ager!!!!

[Obataladance]

They are all thesame people taking care of the different tasks but with the same goal..NWO Gurdieff teachings highjack the real cultural history embbed in people's gestures. It reduce centuries of culture and history to a bunch of emotionless movements. U c

[costocasso]

you don't know really nothing about art and perception!!!...cultural level is only a superficial level of differences in the human experience, but you ar not able to understando this!...

the sacred dances, like ancient chants, mantras, asanas, or form of matial arts are based on logic and objective function of the energies, at the same the medical knowledge is objective in all the world. . these dances- that you don't know!!!- have an objective impact on the perception...

go to study!

[Obataladance]

I am not going to unsult ucoz i dont know and but u can google " Obataladance dance tech net " and see my profile as profesional dancer and choreographer..sorry to dissapoint u but i am a critic of New Age..the Gurdijeff movement is meant to stripp off the real culture and history of the world inscribbed in gestures with the fake use of the enneagram of Davinci. I have been dancing an performing around the world for years and have met many Gurdieff followers totally mind controlled.

[costocasso]

do you know what Objective Art means?? example: yoga is a method for the body (and not only for the body)..but it's not only a cultural method!! it's a objective method. it has the same impact in the body of a western man than an oriental one! there is an other and deeper vision about the body's forces..it's not only cultural body! but you don't know what it means...

[Obataladance]

You are a new ager...sorry but i cant have a discussion with u..u just repeat new age speech so there is no dialogue also u just insult so no point to go further with u.

[costocasso]

no, baby...You are not able to answer !

...you repeat like a broken disco your paranoic, superficial and intolerant vision of art!...adios

[Obataladance]

I wont do u home work for u..To answer what if u just insult ! So u stay in you monologue...No time to waste with u new ager intellectual lazy bone.

[Obataladance]

Not this is not tradition..THIS IS REINVENTED TRADITION ! PSEUDO TRADITION !!! by a theosophist called Gurdjieff. Read about Antropology of gestures first please

Rome highjecked all the world myths and believes and Gurdjieff is the highjacker of the world meanigs in gestures and dances.

Scientology get the loners in he street, Zeitgeist get the hippies, all of them work separately but with the same goal : establishing New Age, the ideology of the NWO.Destroying our cultures to be grouped

[costocasso]

you mix in the same soup different things!..NWO is not the Great answer for All!!..it's so limited!!...gurdjieff's dances come from the same tradition of dervishes dances....a very ancient tradition. New Age is a superficial mix of different tradition... the real tradition needs several years of training, not superficial and holistic approach...so, do you have REAL experiences about these dances or not?? if you don' t have, your speaking is only subjective and empty!

[Obataladance]

Dervishes dances got nothing to do with what is portrayed about them by the main media..Dervishes dance have been infiltrated and distorted..for many muslims what is presented by westerns as dervishes is an insult to their culture.I am a critic of new age and holism but also critic of any ethnic bussiness in dance or in anything..

Tango, salsa, dervishes dances....many dances from around the world have been transformed, distorted and edulcorated to fit the aesthetics of the dominant culture

[costocasso]

ahahahahahahahaaha you are paranoic!!!!! tango and salsa????? ahahahahahahahah....ok. the real art is only YOUR dance. the Obatala dance!!!! ahahahahah all the rest is reptilian art!!!!!.....yeahhhhh....adios­ssssssss

[servirsidellaluna]

I don't see the sacre in this performance. I see the sacre in the old videos made when J. De Salzmann was alive.

[costocasso]

yes, there isn't energy, there are only moviments of the body without presence..

[redfred666]

I see the dance but I dont see th sacred....

[ebutela]

and how could you?

[camiloquai74]

Exactly. How

could us.

[luvhafiz]

i would guess you would have to be a dancer in the perfomance to experience the "sacred"

americans believe life is like mcdonalds you pay at one window then almost instantly you are given the product. Sad for the westerners

[kevinkmny]

Sadly you are correct.

[spapkis]

not everyone can see

[LarsYenin]

can you explain?