...Pogorelich does not have a harpsichord-baroque tone at all (unlike for example Glenn Gould)...yet his Scarlatti, who is after all a Baroque composer, does sound very effective...he is much more of a strategic-deliberate pianist than would at first appear...
Hearing Pogorelich play Scarlatti opens with me channels of musical truth and honesty, it is as if it widens your musical consiousness. Every note is on it's place, and it makes you aware: every note has a meaning, there is not a single note without meaning. The rythm is electrifying, mesmerizing in it;s straightness, and also allowing freedom (e.g. 1.09). He does not compromize; there is a convincing spirit above this playing urging you to listen for the sake of the music.
I can't choose between Horowitz and Pogorelich; both are among the greatest pianists who ever lived, and both have valid and enjoyable approaches to Scarlatti.
I think they both are wonderfull too. I think Horowitz generally plays Scarlatti very delicately and elegantly, with a beautiful, unique dolce sound. Pogorelich is more dance-like and in a way more fiery, and energetic, with a more percussionistic approach in generel. Both wonderful Scarlattians!:-D
I don't think Stacy is right on this one. I don't see why one can not try to mimic a harpsichord technique on the piano, nor why such an interpretation is automatically invalid, nor yet why including non-Baroque elements such as rubato and pedal is automatically valid.
Rubato is not a non-Baroque element. That's just incorrect.
I was reading what she wrote on the Horowitz performance, and she's making the argument that a piano lacks the type of overtone-laden resonance that a harpsichord has. I would say that she's right on that. Whether or not the pedal on a modern can replace that sound seems not to be the point to her, but rather that it can be used as a means of restoring the "expressiveness" that is lost with the piano.
Artie6666, expressiveness is not lost with the piano, but gained. The harpsichord compared to the pianoforte is similar to comparing 2-Dimensions against 3-Dimensions.
It's a compelling point and a lot more interesting, I think, than just labelling things non-Baroque and Baroque. Don't you think so? I would say that the idea that there is a "Baroque" way to play is kind of a fatuous statement anyway. What is it, a quantifiable "average" performance practice that existed from 1650 to 1750 or something?
It does not, my dear petie. This are two different instruments with different sound and possibilities. And the harpsichord is not a "handicapped piano". Where on earth have you read it? This idea is absurd since you cannot compare that different instruments, in the same way as you cannot say that a salad is a "handicapped hamburger" because it does not have meat! :P
In this case, we should agree that "mad stacy" is right, even though she could have been a little more polite. ;)
A piano, played correctly, mimics a harpsichord with none of the handicapps. As long as you don't try to overdo the ff or the pedal. Bach on a piano is superb but it also can be dreadful if you try to bump into the 19th century.
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The idea that a piano can mimic a harpsichord, or even that such a thing should be attempted, is so ridiculous it isn't even stupid. A harpsichord piece needs to be adapted to the piano. Read my posts on Horowitz's L33 to understand just how ridiculous what you've written is.
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It's a sad thing that we have become so conditioned to performances that only offer the silly modern un-baroque notion that notes accurately played with lovely tone in metronomic time can speak for themselves.Not only is it absurd from a historical point of view,it just renders this music completely
smithsherman Sad, too, that music in it's own purist form has been codified and reserved safe from the hungry adoring masses who are the real reason most such work was put to paper. When addressing the audience of this "everybodies" website be more down to eath with your verbage-eschew obfuscation put it in FUKKING SIMPLE TERMS!
I understand smithsherman's view without subscribing to it. I think that Scarlatti sounds best on harpsichord, second-best on fortepiano (a wide range, I know), and third-best on grand piano. Having said that, I think that this was an extremely fine performance, better than that actually because he managed to reach these heights with the least optimal of the three instruments.
There is an excellent example of Scarlatti on harpsichord - Scarlatti, Sonata, K. 455 uploaded by Smalin. It runs 2:09. This instrument, being the one for which Scarlatti composed, does sound better (to me). I did a search on "Scarlatti Harpsichord" to find it.
lol. Recording technology wasn't invented until the 1870s. I'm not saying everything should be played in even tempo, certainly not buxtehude's toccatas or opera, but many of scarlatti's sonatas are modeled off dances. slowing down at cadences is one thing, but horowitz's approach is, well, quite odd.
He was here! pogorelich was in my city, giving a recital! I have been hoping for years to hear him live, and what happened?! I missed it! I #¤%¤# missed it! I could shoot myself!
I heard that he got pretty wealthy from his recordings/concerts and was basically like, I don't want to practice 6 hours a day anymore, let's chill for a while
My favorite player of Scarlatti, eclipsing even Horowitz and Meyer!
billyguns2 4 months ago
...Pogorelich does not have a harpsichord-baroque tone at all (unlike for example Glenn Gould)...yet his Scarlatti, who is after all a Baroque composer, does sound very effective...he is much more of a strategic-deliberate pianist than would at first appear...
fredericfranc 8 months ago
great dynamic control, and articulation!
davidbaker03 9 months ago
me too JVSuperwoman :)
GentilGigante 11 months ago
when was that?
chipncharge94 1 year ago
Beautiful performance!
TheChippica 1 year ago
Very interesting performance.
jakaroo94 1 year ago
Hearing Pogorelich play Scarlatti opens with me channels of musical truth and honesty, it is as if it widens your musical consiousness. Every note is on it's place, and it makes you aware: every note has a meaning, there is not a single note without meaning. The rythm is electrifying, mesmerizing in it;s straightness, and also allowing freedom (e.g. 1.09). He does not compromize; there is a convincing spirit above this playing urging you to listen for the sake of the music.
hcjpiano 1 year ago 4
I think this is exactly what Scarlatti had in mind with this piece. The old Domenico must be smiling from his grave thanks to Ivo Pogorelich.
Zoloft61 1 year ago
1:08 freacky!
kempff95 1 year ago
its so perfect I cant bare it
Salocin27 1 year ago 3
I could be so easily in love with this man.
billyguns2 2 years ago
His piano teacher thought so, too.
ruanpingshan 2 years ago 2
Pour moi( en 45 ans d'écoute),c'est le Scarlatti le plus incroyable jamais entendu.
antoinezygfryd 2 years ago
I can't choose between Horowitz and Pogorelich; both are among the greatest pianists who ever lived, and both have valid and enjoyable approaches to Scarlatti.
billyguns2 2 years ago 6
I think they both are wonderfull too. I think Horowitz generally plays Scarlatti very delicately and elegantly, with a beautiful, unique dolce sound. Pogorelich is more dance-like and in a way more fiery, and energetic, with a more percussionistic approach in generel. Both wonderful Scarlattians!:-D
JJKjaer 2 years ago
@JJKjaer thanks for that. I agree. Pogorelich almost makes the piano sound like a harpsichord, which was anyway Scarlatti's instrument of the time.
flowforms 1 year ago
sentimientos como engranajes
elmalyuyu 2 years ago
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this is very superbly played, perfectly executed... but nothing like the soul of horowitz
mikejr41387 2 years ago
lab234nt
Bravissimo
scarlatti1000 2 years ago
Bravo.
PianistDoGuSS 3 years ago 3
Horowitz plays Scarlatti like one of the romantic composers. I prefer Pogorelich!
JVSuperwoman 3 years ago 15
I agree
violatione 2 years ago
I prefer Horowitz because his line in these sonatas is more solid and continous, this interpretation is more fragmentary... Very good job nonetheless
katkula 3 years ago 3
Horowitz is so cold.......
antoinezygfryd 2 years ago
super - 10/10!
Askold1900 3 years ago 11
What a fantastic range of sounds from his touch. Wonderful!
k0rfuffler 3 years ago 5
FOLKS
I do not believe thee is any Law of Nature which precludes someone from liking Scarlatti played by Pogorelich, Michelangeli and Horowitz.
63Attila 4 years ago 7
You can add Pletnev to the list... He has this utmost refinement in playing Scarlatti's sonatas.
asorescu 3 years ago 4
Unbelievably excluded from this glorious list of Scarlatti players is Dinu Lipatti!
voolare 3 years ago 4
Landowska showed Scarlatti in 1940fabulously,not like here.
smithsherman 4 years ago
Mimic a Harpsichord then... including flexible phrasing.
smithsherman 4 years ago
I don't think Stacy is right on this one. I don't see why one can not try to mimic a harpsichord technique on the piano, nor why such an interpretation is automatically invalid, nor yet why including non-Baroque elements such as rubato and pedal is automatically valid.
Ghost2499 4 years ago
Rubato is not a non-Baroque element. That's just incorrect.
I was reading what she wrote on the Horowitz performance, and she's making the argument that a piano lacks the type of overtone-laden resonance that a harpsichord has. I would say that she's right on that. Whether or not the pedal on a modern can replace that sound seems not to be the point to her, but rather that it can be used as a means of restoring the "expressiveness" that is lost with the piano.
artie6666 4 years ago 3
Artie6666, expressiveness is not lost with the piano, but gained. The harpsichord compared to the pianoforte is similar to comparing 2-Dimensions against 3-Dimensions.
Revolutionidea 3 years ago 2
flutter pedaling can
offwo200 3 years ago
It's a compelling point and a lot more interesting, I think, than just labelling things non-Baroque and Baroque. Don't you think so? I would say that the idea that there is a "Baroque" way to play is kind of a fatuous statement anyway. What is it, a quantifiable "average" performance practice that existed from 1650 to 1750 or something?
artie6666 4 years ago 3
Or maybe 1603-1759? Or what? What is Baroque playing?
artie6666 4 years ago 4
Artie6666 is infatuated with stacysucksviacom.
nrlsky 4 years ago
It does not, my dear petie. This are two different instruments with different sound and possibilities. And the harpsichord is not a "handicapped piano". Where on earth have you read it? This idea is absurd since you cannot compare that different instruments, in the same way as you cannot say that a salad is a "handicapped hamburger" because it does not have meat! :P
In this case, we should agree that "mad stacy" is right, even though she could have been a little more polite. ;)
Roldau 4 years ago 2
A piano, played correctly, mimics a harpsichord with none of the handicapps. As long as you don't try to overdo the ff or the pedal. Bach on a piano is superb but it also can be dreadful if you try to bump into the 19th century.
petie32 4 years ago 2
Wonderfully said, friend. +1
Ghost2499 4 years ago
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The idea that a piano can mimic a harpsichord, or even that such a thing should be attempted, is so ridiculous it isn't even stupid. A harpsichord piece needs to be adapted to the piano. Read my posts on Horowitz's L33 to understand just how ridiculous what you've written is.
stacysucksviacom 4 years ago
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vobiscum2007 4 years ago
It's great!!! Really fresh and sharmed. I love young Pogorelich.
moescyslack 4 years ago
not too young today!
flllutiste 4 years ago
Love the hair.
Markohoppis 4 years ago 3
I really enjoyed this, thanks for the post.
ZicoMon 4 years ago
It's a sad thing that we have become so conditioned to performances that only offer the silly modern un-baroque notion that notes accurately played with lovely tone in metronomic time can speak for themselves.Not only is it absurd from a historical point of view,it just renders this music completely
dead from the human point of view.
smithsherman 4 years ago
smithsherman Sad, too, that music in it's own purist form has been codified and reserved safe from the hungry adoring masses who are the real reason most such work was put to paper. When addressing the audience of this "everybodies" website be more down to eath with your verbage-eschew obfuscation put it in FUKKING SIMPLE TERMS!
ARoundOfApplause 4 years ago
I understand smithsherman's view without subscribing to it. I think that Scarlatti sounds best on harpsichord, second-best on fortepiano (a wide range, I know), and third-best on grand piano. Having said that, I think that this was an extremely fine performance, better than that actually because he managed to reach these heights with the least optimal of the three instruments.
Quite a bit of skill there!
Gerry
gerryrains 4 years ago
(Continued)
There is an excellent example of Scarlatti on harpsichord - Scarlatti, Sonata, K. 455 uploaded by Smalin. It runs 2:09. This instrument, being the one for which Scarlatti composed, does sound better (to me). I did a search on "Scarlatti Harpsichord" to find it.
gerryrains 4 years ago
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pianoparadise 4 years ago
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Excellent piece, I found free sheet music for it on SheetMusicFox DOT com and absolutely love it!
thelmaandlouse 4 years ago
The sources ARE every surviving roll,cylinder or
Edison made of musicians born from the early
18th to the mid 19th century.Or if you prefer
every musician I've ever heard who was born before
1860 and who recorded.
smithsherman 4 years ago
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This young fellow has a lot to learn about music.
Playing all these klip-klap notes didn't mean a thing
in my day and it sure doesn't now.
DGaultier1670 4 years ago
Dear Guy,That U think Horowitz's approach is "Odd",
means that Ur not familiar with the recordings
made by musicians born between 1745 & 1860.
No expert from that period ever played any solo
music in even tempo.Regards,Me
smithsherman 4 years ago
could you cite your source on that please?
MJGriftz 4 years ago
lol. Recording technology wasn't invented until the 1870s. I'm not saying everything should be played in even tempo, certainly not buxtehude's toccatas or opera, but many of scarlatti's sonatas are modeled off dances. slowing down at cadences is one thing, but horowitz's approach is, well, quite odd.
guyoftheplace 4 years ago
I waited 2 minutes for a musical phrase to occur,but gave up when I realized he was synced to midi.
smithsherman 4 years ago
apparently you don't understand sonata form. go ahead and flame me if you want.
guyoftheplace 4 years ago
Dear Guy,The notion that the "Sonata form" should
be pilloried by inexpressive,non-gestural psychologically vapid-toe-tappin' play is not born
out either by A.The surviving recordings and
cylinders going back to the late 18th century.
B.The composers writings.What U R regurgitating
is modern conservatory anti-expressive propaganda
without historical basis.But of course,if you
want to be inexpressive 4 any reason,have at it.
regards,Me
smithsherman 4 years ago
He was here! pogorelich was in my city, giving a recital! I have been hoping for years to hear him live, and what happened?! I missed it! I #¤%¤# missed it! I could shoot myself!
Gidselgrisen 4 years ago
Such a lovely piece of music!
LassieLois 5 years ago
i was, like, and he was, like...
like, like, like
But it's quite entertaining
nehan455 5 years ago
his wife (and piano teacher) of many years died 10 years ago and took a long break (soul searching, etc he said in an interview)
08ndl 5 years ago
just beautiful
camilocuesta 5 years ago
I heard that he got pretty wealthy from his recordings/concerts and was basically like, I don't want to practice 6 hours a day anymore, let's chill for a while
tuskmo 5 years ago
His hands are sexy!
maamo7700 5 years ago
sucked in on him
pian000 5 years ago
Just fantastic...
brittenmx 5 years ago
This is really good, his voicing is wonderful.
pajanada 5 years ago
As far as I know, he had a bit of a mental breakdown and took a hiatus from touring and recording.
Last I heard, he did a concert in New York and is still doing charity concerts, as well.
Previati 5 years ago
wonderful pianist--whatever happened to him?
richtermaniac 5 years ago