Barenboim has been a great "guide" for Lang Lang. It seems he is recognizing the nuances that a listener can perceive in his interpretations, and he is performing better overall.
Not a big fan overall of the piece but I really like the passage from 1:33-1:50. IMO it sounds like it belongs in one of Chopin's polonaises. I like the lyrical aspect of it.
I don't see what all the fuss is about. He seems to be pretty good. I mean, his interpretations and touch aren't my favorite, but just because you dislike the way he plays does NOT mean you can say he's playing it wrong.
I don't think it can be any better stated than mrpolaroid123's comment did.
OMFG!Just shut up and listen to the fucking music!Why you all have to ''understand'' the composer, the interpreter, the classical music?It's a normal music, just like jazz or pop, and no one has to study to hear and understand Brubeck or Shakira.Why someone would have to to understand Beethoven, to analyze an interpretation?I'm so tired of that classical music deification! When you hear a Beatles' cover, you dont care about what Lennon would think, you just like or dislike it!
Classical music usually goes must deeper on an artistic level than pop music and therefore correct artistic interpretation is necessary in order to adequately and accurately convey the intent and meaning of a piece as it was written by its composer.
I would love to read how this piece "should" be played and "what is the idea" and "what Beethoven meant" from these amazingly professional piano criticals here on youtube, writing stuff like "I did not fell anything" is just trying to play "cool artist guy" with no fundaments at all, the difference between play and perform is to be able to think about what do I want to transmit and what is stetically good according to the literature of the piece itself.
@TheBigGeorgy And you, my friend, clearly don't understand a damned thing about music. It's fine to disagree with an interpretation, but saying that one does not "understand" a sonata would be akin to spitting in the face of Beethoven. You don't seem to understand that the one thing about this... About Apassionata, or any of Beethoven's sonatas for that matter, is that they are UNIVERSALLY understandable, yet capable of yielding an infinite amount of interpretations. That's what true music is.
If I don't look at him but just listen to Lang Lang play, then it's ok, but for sure, watching his grotesque and over the top emotions and expressions puts me off this piece=)
When you see Lang Lang perform live, you are truly entertained. That's what it's about isn't it? To be thrilled and have the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. This was after all the entertainment of the day. Stop grovelling and just enjoy it.
It is very clear even for me as a 16 year old with no Experience that Lang Lang has little Experience with Beethoven's Sonata's because they where made during Beethoven's dark period of life which is where the speed is ignorantly mistaken and the man who is helping with the notes know's its not right to play this in this fashion But is astounded but at the same time Lang Lang is showing how Masterful he is by improvising this great Movement to a extent that still sounds brilliantly astounding
His facial expressions are a joke. Because he does not understand the music at all, he must pretend he does by creating those awful grimaces which are a most utterly disgraceful slight against high art music and what it is.
@NoahSV seriously, you arent a musician i can see that immediatly. You dont get the point of music. stop being jealous on him cause u will never hevae the skills he has.
He is reading from the music? As if it's some kind of game. Lang Lang is completely overrated. I will admit, he has very fine pianistic skills, but I would not say he is a good pianist in any respects.
@NoahSV yea he sucks, thats why he's got barenboim turning his pages, Barenboim usually does that for all the shitty pianists in town. You should make a video and show Lang Lang and the world how this piece should be played correctly. can you? I seriously doubt it
Hahahaha...the world has too many haters. They are just jealous. That's why they would never become a great musician. FYI, I love classic music but not a musician. I do understand that when you can't appreciate other people's talents because you are blinded by your own short coming, you are doomed to fail. I repeat. You are doomed to fail...
@TheDardanius Well, do you know something about this sonata? This sonata is one of the darkest, painful and agonic pieces that Beethoven ever wrote... and in this performance you can't hear or feel none of that... To be a good pianist is not enough an amazing technique, you need also a good understanding and the knowledge of how to express it. And this is one of the "weaker" Appassionatas that I ever heard...
@TheDardanius Don't misunderstand me, I got a big respect for Lang Lang, he is an amazing pianist, and I really enjoy with some of his Liszt's performances, but his understanding at this piece is zero.
@TheBigGeorgy ok maybe true a bit... this appastionata sonata is written during the dark times of his life , as well as the most chaotic and pianoful times. youres right, but i think he did well on the 3rd movements.
@TheBigGeorgy it´s clearly enough that wr993r9w and cc to br3e3e otherwise, miau haha drei! i´m sure the fat guy in 1:28 does. i´m sure you do! ahahahahahaha
@mrpolaroid123 Oh, and should I do it?? I'm listening a Beethoven work here... His role is to transmit what the composer wrote in this piece, and he doesn't.
@TheBigGeorgy His 'role' is to play the piece and to his interpret in his own way. Beethoven has given him the nots, Lang Lang now reworks it with his own touch and style. It would appear you have heard Beethoven himself play the piece and are aware of exactly how it should sound? I'm now beginning to think you don't understand classical music...At the end of the day, you either like an 'interpretation' or you don't. To say Lang Lang doesn't understand comes across as rather ignorant
@mrpolaroid123 The fact that you call me ignorant for expressing my disagreement with this perform shows what you are. In my opinion, this perform ("interpreted on the own way of Lang Lang") is missing a lot of details and nuances to be close of being considered good. I'm sure you've never studied this work.That's my opinion and if you can not stand it, go to cut your veins fucking fanboy. I repeat what a said before... I got big respect for Lang Lang, but this perform sucks
@mrpolaroid123 But Beethoven was different than most composers. He was extremely strict and demanding and wanted his music to be played exactly the way he wanted it to play hence all the dynamic markings on the music.
@Vesivian on the other hand, it would have been a totally different performance. A big, powerful man would have shown a completely different side to this piece. This surely is what keeps classical music fresh and alive? No? Who wants to hear the same piece played by different artists in the same way?
@Vesivian I agree he was strict as was Chopin, however you can listen to as many different performers playing this as you want and each one will be different. Several weeks ago I heard this live, played by the Korean pianist Young Choon Park and she played it, I feel, as her stature allowed. She was probably around 4.5 inc and very petite. She played it how i had never heard it before, yet I wouldn't have said it was wrong, or disrespectful toward the composer. If it had been John Ogden
@mrpolaroid123 I won't say that this guy is not talented,since everyone has their own perspective on what talent is.However people that do recognize him as talented must understand that part of the interpreter's role is the understanding of the writer's song.If you ask me Lang focuses his interpretation more in his way of playing the song than the song is in itself.
By the way Beethoven isnt a classical, musician he belongs to the romanticist movement,think twice before calling someone ignorant.
@IIIAVoiceIII who's music really does belong to the 'Romantic' period. There seems to be this stigma against Lang Lang, which is a shame, because he is a fabulous pianist and I believe I have the credentials and training to have seen, heard and studied around enough fabulous pianists to have that, educated, opinion. As for your final paragraph about Beethoven belonging to the 'Romanticist movement' and me using the word ignorant to loosely, I fear I may have to put you in that category too.
@IIIAVoiceIII Oh dear oh dear oh dear. While a lot of musical performances can indeed be put down to opinions, educated or not. Certain parts of music remain fact. Beethoven (1770 - 1827) was born into what we class as the 'Classical' period, (1750 -1830) So his music is well within the realms of this and not the 'Romantic' as you seemed to propose. His music nevertheless is romantic, he broke ground in this area especially in his later works. Not in the same way as Chopin or Liszt
@mrpolaroid123 Excuse me for this observation but i think i never question whether he was born into or not to the Classical period. By saying he belonged to the romanticist movement i referred to where is his music categorized into ,which is finally what we are talking about , since I remarked in your previous comment (which apparently you have deleted) "I'm starting to doubt of your comprehension of classical music".
I never said that Beethoven wasn't born into the classical period indeed he
@IIIAVoiceIII I have not deleted any comments. You need to work on your English. Communication is key to expressing what your thoughts are. Good luck.
@mrpolaroid123 even was tutored by the great Mozart himself , however (excuse me if this sounds too ignorant for your Wiki research) Beethoven is the grand opener of the Romanticist movement not only in Germany , in the whole musical world (if you ask me in the literary and visual arts aspect too). This only makes obvious the fact that he is considered into the romanticist movement being the majority of his works (including this one).
@IIIAVoiceIII I clearly state below the impact Beethoven had on the romantic period, that does not change the fact he was born into the Classical period.
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
@mrpolaroid123 Don't get me wrong i never meant to questions the pianist's talent in my first comment, as i believe i said in the beginning, its his interpretations that bother me, this kind of people should dedicate themselves to music composition rather than interpretation it is then wen they can show off all they want. There are indeed some exceptions in with music interpretation becomes more free like in the case of trans genera interpretations but it is only natural that the interpret then
@mrpolaroid123 Shows us his understanding of the work. This is ,however , not Lang Lang's case , and his intent to show off his abilities does get out the music's track oftenly
@IIIAVoiceIII You do need help with your (E)nglish, yes! You are confusing regards sentence structure, spelling and generally communicating your feelings! I can't begin to comprehend how you can start analysing music. Go away, look at what you have achieved musically, critique yourself in a constructive manner, compare yourself with others and constructively critique them. That way, after years of practice and experimenting, you will be in a better place to judge.
@mrpolaroid123 You are right because calling ignorant anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion, even though you have never seen them in your life, is constructive critique.
Excuse me , but constructive criticism requires arguments, which apparently you have run out of, leaving disqualification as your last resort. Pardon me for the observation but you don't know me at all, however you talk bout my music as if you did(Which we were not talking about in the first place) -
@mrpolaroid123 By doing so you can only lead me to think that you are angry and use verbal aggressions to shield yourself, which leaves yourself exposed since you said I was (Quote)"communicating my feelings_!_". Sorry but if anyone has maintained neutral in this discussion it has been me , since calling someone ignorant for having a discrepancy in his opinion is disqualification , telling that person nicely why he shouldn't do so is constructive criticism.
@IIIAVoiceIII in the direct sense of being 'Ignorant' rather that it may appear that way if you put across a view with very little grounding. I don't need to know you personally, as I can grasp a pretty basic outline of you, from what you have written. You're more than capable of showing me through text that you are impatient, intolerant and relentless in your never ending quest to prove a point.
Being critical has nothing to do with arguing. You really need a crash course in debating. Bye.
@mrpolaroid123 Let me make several observations in your comment. You mention in your comment that I write "time wasting comments".Am i the one that finds this time wasting? indeed i don't I do find entertainment in discussion. However you do say you find this time wasting. Excuse me but i don't force you to reply every comment I write. There is a psychological analysis intent in your comment by saying I try to hide some insecurity,but you do spend time in something you -
@mrpolaroid123 find time wasting while nobody is forcing you to do so. I hope it is clear the insecurity is shown in someone else here. Another observation in your comment is that you say that through my text you are capable of showing my intolerance, impatience and relentlessness.Would you mind showing me on which of my posts this i show any of this? In any case the intolerant person would be you calling ignorance those opinions that differ from yours. You do show relentlessness when changing-
@mrpolaroid123 subjects whenever you were out of arguments always changing to a more personal subject.As my last observation i would like to quote your penultimate sentence:"Being critical has nothing to do with arguing" i never mentioned the word arguing so i will have to suppose you meant "being critical has nothing to do with argumentation".If you say criticism requires no arguments you must then think that criticism is saying :"This is good because i think its good if you think differently -
@mrpolaroid123 you are wrong". There is something called professional criticism ,for which argumentation is not only valid ; it is essential to it. All this response to your comments was my failed intent to squeeze out any fact supported opinion you could aport,however the closest I got was the "Beethoven is a Classical musician because he was born into the period, not for the characteristics of his works."
If you have anything intelligent to discuss ill feel glad to have a non disqualifying -
@IIIAVoiceIII You seem a little strung up on the whole 'Ignorant' thing. Which on one hand is slightly amusing to me and on the other, a sign that you are covering up for some sort of insecurity. I'm not sure, but it has obviously troubled you to the point that you have taken it upon yourself to write me yet another pointless, time wasting message. If you refer back to 'Above' which quoted 'Ignorant' you will note I did not refer to you as being
@TheBigGeorgy I have to agree. Though Lang Lang plays technically very well, there is a sense for me at least listening to this interpretation that here lang lang doesn't really get what the hell Beethoven is trying to say. His interpretation is great on a piece by piece of this piece, but as a whole, I personally feel he didn't get it.
@TheBigGeorgy the classical music is not only for the pride or joy of majiority for western people ! I think the Beethoven himself is more good for him.
I saw him and i spoke to him about 4 years ago(I was 9-10 years old), and he said i could play on his piano right on the stage (i played piano for 6 years, since 3 months ago i switched to guitar
this is just disgusting, his playing is more overstated and garish than anything I have ever seen seen. If Beethoven was turning any more in his grave he'd be drilling a hole in it.
@Shanefee1770 Ummm... lets see your interpretation please. I am sure Beethoven doesn't give a shit anyways. You'd think he care more about his music bringing joy to people so long after his death...
@MarlaAnnee "I am sure Beethoven doesn't give a shit anyways", how flippantly you assume the casualness of one of western music's greatest geniuses. I am quite sure that Beethoven would indeed "give a shit" about such sloppy pedalling and poor finger-work, (the lack of fluidity is simply appalling) not to mention an abrasive and insensitive approach to the instrument. Brendel interprets this magnificently, however stick with Bang Bang if shallow showmanship is more your thing.
Althought I am not crazy about Lang Lang's facial expressions but I must say that he played amazingly good. I was totally emotionally involved by his playing. I did all these by not looking at him and just listen to the sound of this play.
You've got to hand it to Lang Lang--he's poetic and then vulgar, razor sharp and then sloppy, but all the while a mezmerizing musician who brought fun back to the classics. Beethoven would have slapped him for his arrogance and then kissed him for bringing adventure and excitement into his music.
Lang Lang is wearing jeans and looking at the score. Barenboim is turning pages for him and even fixed the pages. I was amazed at the atmonphere created here. Enjoyabled.
@tejaachebrole Of course he was not! Jesus Christ! Do you believe the stupid theory that he was descendent of some niggers or some Jewish people (kikes, i think they say in Amerika?!) Please....
His playing is nonpareil. And I feel like I'm seeing the real Lang Lang, devoting all his attention to his playing rather toward cheesy showmanship. I play the Appassionata, which makes me appreciate his taste, the maturity of an elder like me. Alas, he plays far better than I do.
@thoushallbepwnd I see here a case of dyslexia... Thoushallbepwnd clearly typed god instead of dog and thus I sincerely advise a trip to your doctor. Lang Lang/Bang Bang is no member of a musical pantheon. He is a dog of the piano, barking and growling upon it as he is wont to do, all the while wagging his tale as those with no understanding of musical artistry pat him on the head and scratch behind his ear. I suggest a scratching with a trepanning knife in the hope that some taste may seep in.
Wheres Jack Nicholson!? Can't find him!
TheLOonis 12 hours ago
Barenboim has been a great "guide" for Lang Lang. It seems he is recognizing the nuances that a listener can perceive in his interpretations, and he is performing better overall.
CoolCat123450 2 days ago
If this was a master class, I don't know what Barenboim could have corrected him about his playing
pianolizo 3 days ago
Why is Daniel Barenboim standing right next to Lang?
caskett7lu 5 days ago
@caskett7lu He is turning pages.
MrGeJimo 2 days ago
@MrGeJimo Seems a bit overdone. Couldn't they have picked up somebody else for that?
caskett7lu 2 days ago
62 person can´t play as well as Lang lang, but they want to xD
dochlast 1 week ago 2
Not a big fan overall of the piece but I really like the passage from 1:33-1:50. IMO it sounds like it belongs in one of Chopin's polonaises. I like the lyrical aspect of it.
Heyo1984 1 week ago
ㅋㅋㅋ옆에 바렌보임 왜이렇게 웃기지....
ffgg125 1 week ago
lol, the guy at 1:28 has clearly been dragged there by his wife
MusicDopy1234 1 week ago
damn i can't concentrate on the music while watching because this guy makes so much of a show around his playing :/
DeinVorbild95 1 week ago
@DeinVorbild95 Do like I do. Read comments while listening)))
sofik964 1 week ago
oh look...urtext...
jarosemann1228 1 week ago
his eyes....
jarosemann1228 1 week ago
Beautiful!
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Is that Barenboim?
SongsofInnocence 1 week ago
@SongsofInnocence Yes!
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@SongsofInnocence no it's your momma! i kids it is.
ChrisWatch 1 week ago
I don't see what all the fuss is about. He seems to be pretty good. I mean, his interpretations and touch aren't my favorite, but just because you dislike the way he plays does NOT mean you can say he's playing it wrong.
I don't think it can be any better stated than mrpolaroid123's comment did.
Ragtime44Films 2 weeks ago
OMFG!Just shut up and listen to the fucking music!Why you all have to ''understand'' the composer, the interpreter, the classical music?It's a normal music, just like jazz or pop, and no one has to study to hear and understand Brubeck or Shakira.Why someone would have to to understand Beethoven, to analyze an interpretation?I'm so tired of that classical music deification! When you hear a Beatles' cover, you dont care about what Lennon would think, you just like or dislike it!
MrCarolinaMachado 2 weeks ago
@MrCarolinaMachado
Classical music usually goes must deeper on an artistic level than pop music and therefore correct artistic interpretation is necessary in order to adequately and accurately convey the intent and meaning of a piece as it was written by its composer.
ratzlp0li 1 week ago
@ratzlp0li Chopin Etude Op.10 No.5 in G flat Major "Black Keys", Horowitz
Ne me quitte pas, Jacques Brel
Which one "goes deeper on an artistic level"? I know it's just one example, but you can't generalize an entire musical style like this.
MrCarolinaMachado 3 days ago
@MrCarolinaMachado
There's a distinction between 'serious' and 'light' music. For the serious, interpretation matters.
ratzlp0li 2 days ago
@ratzlp0li But interpretation and technique matters in classical music as much as in popular music.
MrCarolinaMachado 59 minutes ago
personalmente non amo molto questa interpretazione, preferisco lang in altro
diabolik2280 2 weeks ago
why is Jack Nicholson standing there?
fajmr0 2 weeks ago 7
@fajmr0 Where is Jack N?
TheLOonis 12 hours ago
@TheLOonis I mean Barenboim looks like Jack N
fajmr0 11 hours ago
you are all really up ones own ass,to me this man is class
trysomethingnew23 2 weeks ago
I would love to read how this piece "should" be played and "what is the idea" and "what Beethoven meant" from these amazingly professional piano criticals here on youtube, writing stuff like "I did not fell anything" is just trying to play "cool artist guy" with no fundaments at all, the difference between play and perform is to be able to think about what do I want to transmit and what is stetically good according to the literature of the piece itself.
regards.
FelipeTrujilloBilbao 2 weeks ago
Just great!!!!!! Thank you for sharing.
prince2000ful 2 weeks ago
mrpolaroid123 & lllAVoicelll need to be on talk radio where bantering is what it's all about and get off you tube.
tennotes 3 weeks ago
epic face expressions
MadcapBlazer290 3 weeks ago
any clue why daniel barenboim is page turning for him? was this a clinic of some kind?
jscgreer 3 weeks ago
@jscgreer
Yes, it was.
MrFernandoCarvajal 2 weeks ago
what a miserable looking crowd, i would be awed to be there
unixrebel 4 weeks ago
une superbe interprétation, pleine de passion.
napoko1 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy And you, my friend, clearly don't understand a damned thing about music. It's fine to disagree with an interpretation, but saying that one does not "understand" a sonata would be akin to spitting in the face of Beethoven. You don't seem to understand that the one thing about this... About Apassionata, or any of Beethoven's sonatas for that matter, is that they are UNIVERSALLY understandable, yet capable of yielding an infinite amount of interpretations. That's what true music is.
iamajumdar 1 month ago
This is from Barenboim's master class. See Barenboim's corrections and Lang Lang's changes later.
No idea to bicker here, see the whole picture instead
pushkin24 1 month ago
6:36 2girls1cup on his Ipad
HermanHeineken 1 month ago
If I don't look at him but just listen to Lang Lang play, then it's ok, but for sure, watching his grotesque and over the top emotions and expressions puts me off this piece=)
BACasey81 1 month ago
look at the red glasses around 09:46
masterlup 1 month ago
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TheBigGeorgy 1 month ago
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When you see Lang Lang perform live, you are truly entertained. That's what it's about isn't it? To be thrilled and have the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. This was after all the entertainment of the day. Stop grovelling and just enjoy it.
mrpolaroid123 1 month ago
He may not play with the best feel for the peace. But he is sight reading very well. And besides you people should at least respect his playing.
bluesboy18 1 month ago
Now THAT'S what I call sight-reading!
tjtheplay 1 month ago
What i like from Lang Lang, he learnt from his own perfomanc, soon he will play this piece again and will wow the audience, trust me , i know him.
KevinR3i 1 month ago
this is bloody awful. no musicality. pure gush, no true emotion.
oitotheworld23 1 month ago
i've yet to hear lang lang create music
oitotheworld23 1 month ago
It is very clear even for me as a 16 year old with no Experience that Lang Lang has little Experience with Beethoven's Sonata's because they where made during Beethoven's dark period of life which is where the speed is ignorantly mistaken and the man who is helping with the notes know's its not right to play this in this fashion But is astounded but at the same time Lang Lang is showing how Masterful he is by improvising this great Movement to a extent that still sounds brilliantly astounding
a231995andrewa 1 month ago
@a231995andrewa What is mistaken about the speed of this sonata? Should it be faster or slower?
Haaggus 1 month ago
Look at em chins :D))
TheBMXlove 1 month ago
Does this man know notes??? Beethoven write it in another way. Oh, shit...
Daaaalibor 1 month ago
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.... and some people play with their eyes.
shabs124 1 month ago
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shabs124 1 month ago
Perhaps it would be better if he wore his converse shoes on his hands.
NoahSV 2 months ago
His facial expressions are a joke. Because he does not understand the music at all, he must pretend he does by creating those awful grimaces which are a most utterly disgraceful slight against high art music and what it is.
NoahSV 2 months ago
@NoahSV Listen with your eyes closed.
atyy73 2 months ago
@NoahSV seriously, you arent a musician i can see that immediatly. You dont get the point of music. stop being jealous on him cause u will never hevae the skills he has.
TheDardanius 1 month ago
He is reading from the music? As if it's some kind of game. Lang Lang is completely overrated. I will admit, he has very fine pianistic skills, but I would not say he is a good pianist in any respects.
NoahSV 2 months ago
@NoahSV yea he sucks, thats why he's got barenboim turning his pages, Barenboim usually does that for all the shitty pianists in town. You should make a video and show Lang Lang and the world how this piece should be played correctly. can you? I seriously doubt it
jjjenkins1000 2 months ago
dam, some professionals have to be n crack to be barely as good as him
Snakefang284 2 months ago
I love how close the camera is and you can observe the hands and where his eyes look..
IoannisGPetrakis 2 months ago
i cant sightread so i just memorize the whole thing
KleinZaffre 2 months ago
pure sightreading?
brackpersian 2 months ago
Hahahaha...the world has too many haters. They are just jealous. That's why they would never become a great musician. FYI, I love classic music but not a musician. I do understand that when you can't appreciate other people's talents because you are blinded by your own short coming, you are doomed to fail. I repeat. You are doomed to fail...
vracing1000 2 months ago 2
It's clearly enough that Lang Lang does not understand this sonata...
TheBigGeorgy 2 months ago 4
Bravo !!!
Marli3733 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy how can u know?
TheDardanius 1 month ago
@TheDardanius Well, do you know something about this sonata? This sonata is one of the darkest, painful and agonic pieces that Beethoven ever wrote... and in this performance you can't hear or feel none of that... To be a good pianist is not enough an amazing technique, you need also a good understanding and the knowledge of how to express it. And this is one of the "weaker" Appassionatas that I ever heard...
TheBigGeorgy 1 month ago
@TheDardanius Don't misunderstand me, I got a big respect for Lang Lang, he is an amazing pianist, and I really enjoy with some of his Liszt's performances, but his understanding at this piece is zero.
TheBigGeorgy 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy ok maybe true a bit... this appastionata sonata is written during the dark times of his life , as well as the most chaotic and pianoful times. youres right, but i think he did well on the 3rd movements.
TheDardanius 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy I disagree actually.
Haaggus 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy it´s clearly enough that wr993r9w and cc to br3e3e otherwise, miau haha drei! i´m sure the fat guy in 1:28 does. i´m sure you do! ahahahahahaha
AeneasMeier 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy I think it's more you don't understand Lang Lang
mrpolaroid123 1 month ago
@mrpolaroid123 Oh, and should I do it?? I'm listening a Beethoven work here... His role is to transmit what the composer wrote in this piece, and he doesn't.
TheBigGeorgy 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy His 'role' is to play the piece and to his interpret in his own way. Beethoven has given him the nots, Lang Lang now reworks it with his own touch and style. It would appear you have heard Beethoven himself play the piece and are aware of exactly how it should sound? I'm now beginning to think you don't understand classical music...At the end of the day, you either like an 'interpretation' or you don't. To say Lang Lang doesn't understand comes across as rather ignorant
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@mrpolaroid123 The fact that you call me ignorant for expressing my disagreement with this perform shows what you are. In my opinion, this perform ("interpreted on the own way of Lang Lang") is missing a lot of details and nuances to be close of being considered good. I'm sure you've never studied this work.That's my opinion and if you can not stand it, go to cut your veins fucking fanboy. I repeat what a said before... I got big respect for Lang Lang, but this perform sucks
TheBigGeorgy 1 month ago
@mrpolaroid123 But Beethoven was different than most composers. He was extremely strict and demanding and wanted his music to be played exactly the way he wanted it to play hence all the dynamic markings on the music.
Vesivian 1 month ago
@Vesivian on the other hand, it would have been a totally different performance. A big, powerful man would have shown a completely different side to this piece. This surely is what keeps classical music fresh and alive? No? Who wants to hear the same piece played by different artists in the same way?
mrpolaroid123 1 month ago
@Vesivian I agree he was strict as was Chopin, however you can listen to as many different performers playing this as you want and each one will be different. Several weeks ago I heard this live, played by the Korean pianist Young Choon Park and she played it, I feel, as her stature allowed. She was probably around 4.5 inc and very petite. She played it how i had never heard it before, yet I wouldn't have said it was wrong, or disrespectful toward the composer. If it had been John Ogden
mrpolaroid123 1 month ago
@mrpolaroid123 I won't say that this guy is not talented,since everyone has their own perspective on what talent is.However people that do recognize him as talented must understand that part of the interpreter's role is the understanding of the writer's song.If you ask me Lang focuses his interpretation more in his way of playing the song than the song is in itself.
By the way Beethoven isnt a classical, musician he belongs to the romanticist movement,think twice before calling someone ignorant.
IIIAVoiceIII 1 month ago
@IIIAVoiceIII who's music really does belong to the 'Romantic' period. There seems to be this stigma against Lang Lang, which is a shame, because he is a fabulous pianist and I believe I have the credentials and training to have seen, heard and studied around enough fabulous pianists to have that, educated, opinion. As for your final paragraph about Beethoven belonging to the 'Romanticist movement' and me using the word ignorant to loosely, I fear I may have to put you in that category too.
mrpolaroid123 1 month ago
@IIIAVoiceIII Oh dear oh dear oh dear. While a lot of musical performances can indeed be put down to opinions, educated or not. Certain parts of music remain fact. Beethoven (1770 - 1827) was born into what we class as the 'Classical' period, (1750 -1830) So his music is well within the realms of this and not the 'Romantic' as you seemed to propose. His music nevertheless is romantic, he broke ground in this area especially in his later works. Not in the same way as Chopin or Liszt
mrpolaroid123 1 month ago
@mrpolaroid123 Excuse me for this observation but i think i never question whether he was born into or not to the Classical period. By saying he belonged to the romanticist movement i referred to where is his music categorized into ,which is finally what we are talking about , since I remarked in your previous comment (which apparently you have deleted) "I'm starting to doubt of your comprehension of classical music".
I never said that Beethoven wasn't born into the classical period indeed he
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII I have not deleted any comments. You need to work on your English. Communication is key to expressing what your thoughts are. Good luck.
mrpolaroid123 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 Yes because Beethoven gave the nots to Lang Lang.
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 even was tutored by the great Mozart himself , however (excuse me if this sounds too ignorant for your Wiki research) Beethoven is the grand opener of the Romanticist movement not only in Germany , in the whole musical world (if you ask me in the literary and visual arts aspect too). This only makes obvious the fact that he is considered into the romanticist movement being the majority of his works (including this one).
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII I clearly state below the impact Beethoven had on the romantic period, that does not change the fact he was born into the Classical period.
mrpolaroid123 4 weeks ago
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IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
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@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
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@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
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@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
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@IIIAVoiceIII If you are telling me that you consider Beethoven to be a Classicist for the date of his birth rather than the characteristics of his works then Suddenly Frederich Nietzsche became a romantic writer ,and Anthony Salieri becomes a baroque musician. I can't believe I am actually discussing this.
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 By the way I just saw your Comment on top, excuse me for my blindness rather that my ignorance. :)
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 Don't get me wrong i never meant to questions the pianist's talent in my first comment, as i believe i said in the beginning, its his interpretations that bother me, this kind of people should dedicate themselves to music composition rather than interpretation it is then wen they can show off all they want. There are indeed some exceptions in with music interpretation becomes more free like in the case of trans genera interpretations but it is only natural that the interpret then
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 Shows us his understanding of the work. This is ,however , not Lang Lang's case , and his intent to show off his abilities does get out the music's track oftenly
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII If you are not watching Lang Lang and just listen, how do you find it then?
mrpolaroid123 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 And i need help with my english? I would appreciate if you re-post this, it is incomprehensible.
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII You do need help with your (E)nglish, yes! You are confusing regards sentence structure, spelling and generally communicating your feelings! I can't begin to comprehend how you can start analysing music. Go away, look at what you have achieved musically, critique yourself in a constructive manner, compare yourself with others and constructively critique them. That way, after years of practice and experimenting, you will be in a better place to judge.
Best of luck
mrpolaroid123 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 You are right because calling ignorant anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion, even though you have never seen them in your life, is constructive critique.
Excuse me , but constructive criticism requires arguments, which apparently you have run out of, leaving disqualification as your last resort. Pardon me for the observation but you don't know me at all, however you talk bout my music as if you did(Which we were not talking about in the first place) -
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 By doing so you can only lead me to think that you are angry and use verbal aggressions to shield yourself, which leaves yourself exposed since you said I was (Quote)"communicating my feelings_!_". Sorry but if anyone has maintained neutral in this discussion it has been me , since calling someone ignorant for having a discrepancy in his opinion is disqualification , telling that person nicely why he shouldn't do so is constructive criticism.
IIIAVoiceIII 4 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII in the direct sense of being 'Ignorant' rather that it may appear that way if you put across a view with very little grounding. I don't need to know you personally, as I can grasp a pretty basic outline of you, from what you have written. You're more than capable of showing me through text that you are impatient, intolerant and relentless in your never ending quest to prove a point.
Being critical has nothing to do with arguing. You really need a crash course in debating. Bye.
mrpolaroid123 3 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 Let me make several observations in your comment. You mention in your comment that I write "time wasting comments".Am i the one that finds this time wasting? indeed i don't I do find entertainment in discussion. However you do say you find this time wasting. Excuse me but i don't force you to reply every comment I write. There is a psychological analysis intent in your comment by saying I try to hide some insecurity,but you do spend time in something you -
IIIAVoiceIII 3 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 find time wasting while nobody is forcing you to do so. I hope it is clear the insecurity is shown in someone else here. Another observation in your comment is that you say that through my text you are capable of showing my intolerance, impatience and relentlessness.Would you mind showing me on which of my posts this i show any of this? In any case the intolerant person would be you calling ignorance those opinions that differ from yours. You do show relentlessness when changing-
IIIAVoiceIII 3 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 subjects whenever you were out of arguments always changing to a more personal subject.As my last observation i would like to quote your penultimate sentence:"Being critical has nothing to do with arguing" i never mentioned the word arguing so i will have to suppose you meant "being critical has nothing to do with argumentation".If you say criticism requires no arguments you must then think that criticism is saying :"This is good because i think its good if you think differently -
IIIAVoiceIII 3 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 you are wrong". There is something called professional criticism ,for which argumentation is not only valid ; it is essential to it. All this response to your comments was my failed intent to squeeze out any fact supported opinion you could aport,however the closest I got was the "Beethoven is a Classical musician because he was born into the period, not for the characteristics of his works."
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IIIAVoiceIII 3 weeks ago
@mrpolaroid123 discussion, otherwise this is my last comment, disqualification truly is as waste of time.
IIIAVoiceIII 3 weeks ago
@IIIAVoiceIII You seem a little strung up on the whole 'Ignorant' thing. Which on one hand is slightly amusing to me and on the other, a sign that you are covering up for some sort of insecurity. I'm not sure, but it has obviously troubled you to the point that you have taken it upon yourself to write me yet another pointless, time wasting message. If you refer back to 'Above' which quoted 'Ignorant' you will note I did not refer to you as being
mrpolaroid123 3 weeks ago
@TheBigGeorgy I have to agree. Though Lang Lang plays technically very well, there is a sense for me at least listening to this interpretation that here lang lang doesn't really get what the hell Beethoven is trying to say. His interpretation is great on a piece by piece of this piece, but as a whole, I personally feel he didn't get it.
TheInnerOrchestra 1 month ago
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MrCarolinaMachado 2 weeks ago
@TheBigGeorgy the classical music is not only for the pride or joy of majiority for western people ! I think the Beethoven himself is more good for him.
717violin 1 month ago
@TheBigGeorgy I agree. Sure he hits all keys. But I don't feel anything, any idea is missing, what this music means. It's all in the score.
christophleipzig 3 weeks ago
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I saw him and i spoke to him about 4 years ago(I was 9-10 years old), and he said i could play on his piano right on the stage (i played piano for 6 years, since 3 months ago i switched to guitar
iplayourminecraft 2 months ago
Everyone hating on Lang Lang upload your own interpretation and show us all how awesome you are!
MarlaAnnee 2 months ago
@MarlaAnnee There is no need to be an artist to appreciate the art.
anhhuyalex123 2 months ago
lang lang don't have a interpretation
pianistinblues 2 months ago
this is just disgusting, his playing is more overstated and garish than anything I have ever seen seen. If Beethoven was turning any more in his grave he'd be drilling a hole in it.
Shanefee1770 3 months ago
@Shanefee1770 Ummm... lets see your interpretation please. I am sure Beethoven doesn't give a shit anyways. You'd think he care more about his music bringing joy to people so long after his death...
MarlaAnnee 2 months ago
@MarlaAnnee "I am sure Beethoven doesn't give a shit anyways", how flippantly you assume the casualness of one of western music's greatest geniuses. I am quite sure that Beethoven would indeed "give a shit" about such sloppy pedalling and poor finger-work, (the lack of fluidity is simply appalling) not to mention an abrasive and insensitive approach to the instrument. Brendel interprets this magnificently, however stick with Bang Bang if shallow showmanship is more your thing.
Shanefee1770 2 months ago
While Lang Lang is playing here, his face is more expressive than his playing itself.
Hobott 3 months ago
hahaha...
imsohornynwet 3 months ago
Lang Lang is good, but I don't think he is able to play Beethoven's sonatas now. Maybe 20 years later. I can hear nothing from the performance.
o0o0oo00oo00 3 months ago
I wondered how he would have played if Barenboim wasn't sittin' there watching his ass
Terrantuladic 3 months ago
Nobody has played this or any of Beethoven's piano sonatas better than Emil Gilels.
Terrantuladic 3 months ago
@Terrantuladic Sorry, the best Appassionata is Sv. Richter's
Hobott 3 months ago 2
Althought I am not crazy about Lang Lang's facial expressions but I must say that he played amazingly good. I was totally emotionally involved by his playing. I did all these by not looking at him and just listen to the sound of this play.
wikct2 3 months ago
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xHuntedGunzPCGx 3 months ago
You've got to hand it to Lang Lang--he's poetic and then vulgar, razor sharp and then sloppy, but all the while a mezmerizing musician who brought fun back to the classics. Beethoven would have slapped him for his arrogance and then kissed him for bringing adventure and excitement into his music.
drewqq 3 months ago
A beautiful copy off Myra Hess why play nobody piano according to him I think sometimes everyone can compose to feel how to interpret Music.
There are none a perfect interpretation also composer play often one way or the other to copy is fatal.
Best regards!
Piotr.
PiotrKwiatkowski22 3 months ago
even beehoven was god
TheDirkplas 3 months ago
People will never know the true meaning meaning of muse...
xlrprettygirl88 3 months ago
pretentious pricks... all you care about is Lang Langs facial expressions!
ofakar 3 months ago
he makes unnecessary faces
dozie85 3 months ago
Lovely face expressions !
AIiceB 3 months ago
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AIiceB 3 months ago
Baronboim is a master. Do what he says!
30inventionman 3 months ago
mullet is not bad lang lang, not bad at all
liurodger 4 months ago
It's like a machine wanting to show us that it has feelings.
Sorry, Kempff, Barenboim, Kissin and a long list of musicians will be before this over valuated guy.
donostiarra1 4 months ago
It really looks like Beethoven is confusing Lang Lang.
normaleruser4 4 months ago
Lang Lang is wearing jeans and looking at the score. Barenboim is turning pages for him and even fixed the pages. I was amazed at the atmonphere created here. Enjoyabled.
camomile988 4 months ago 3
Definitely this guy is god
GemelCarlos 4 months ago
He is so cute! And I love his eyes... his violence at the keyboard, maybe not...
viktoruschka 4 months ago
@viktoruschka FYI Beethoven is not Jewish.
tejaachebrole 4 months ago
@tejaachebrole Of course he was not! Jesus Christ! Do you believe the stupid theory that he was descendent of some niggers or some Jewish people (kikes, i think they say in Amerika?!) Please....
viktoruschka 4 months ago
I LIKE HIS EYES!!! 1:10
michael10894 4 months ago
Facial expressions is not the key to show your emotions in playing a piece..
michael10894 4 months ago
Making monkey faces doesn't mean you are giving an interpretation of the piece....especially one like this Appassionata Sonata......
flouz2 4 months ago
The more I watch him, the more I see he's sitting far too close to the piano, and he's way too tense.
Synecdoche09 4 months ago
Lang Lang is overrated
fuckingloser1337 4 months ago
Bunch of jealous muthafuckas at 1:26-1:31
Kingkamehahaole 4 months ago
If he plays it prima vista, its quite good.
hotuser2 4 months ago
00:17 to 00:18 someone says "Shite" :L
MGordge 4 months ago
09:55 i can play better than him
zacksixty9 5 months ago
That's actually not very well played. Spectacularly maybe. But definitely forgettable.
TommyHaegin 5 months ago
@TommyHaegin couldn't agree more
troyarmstrong434 5 months ago in playlist Brody
@TommyHaegin can you play it any better?
MrTomt1990 5 months ago
@TommyHaegin Barenboim doesnt think so :(
kopk888 5 months ago
@TommyHaegin so he played spectacularly, but at the same time not very well? hmmm...
AvidHobbyist 3 months ago
i hate how they smash the piano!! NEWS FLASH, it sounds crap!.........out.
PIECE2YOURMOTHA 5 months ago
His playing is nonpareil. And I feel like I'm seeing the real Lang Lang, devoting all his attention to his playing rather toward cheesy showmanship. I play the Appassionata, which makes me appreciate his taste, the maturity of an elder like me. Alas, he plays far better than I do.
mnemko 5 months ago
Lang Lang is so virtuoso he uses two fingers(4,5) on black keys.
smirnov452 5 months ago
Lang Lang is a piano god. But even the piano god has a god, Barenboim
thoushallbepwnd 5 months ago in playlist Beethoven Appassionata Sonata 29
@thoushallbepwnd barenboim missed less notes. doesnt that say it all?
kinkokonko 3 months ago
@thoushallbepwnd I see here a case of dyslexia... Thoushallbepwnd clearly typed god instead of dog and thus I sincerely advise a trip to your doctor. Lang Lang/Bang Bang is no member of a musical pantheon. He is a dog of the piano, barking and growling upon it as he is wont to do, all the while wagging his tale as those with no understanding of musical artistry pat him on the head and scratch behind his ear. I suggest a scratching with a trepanning knife in the hope that some taste may seep in.
Quirkulous 2 months ago
@thoushallbepwnd But even the god or the piano's god, Barenboim has a god, Argerich.
Vesivian 2 months ago
@babysbk They really thinks that thing named Lang Lang is a concert pianist... ahahahahaah
eusoudobabado 5 months ago
@babysbk Can you believe this??? People here don´t know what "irony" means!
eusoudobabado 5 months ago