For all the people who say that it's the women's right and that he shouldn't have an opinion, well apparently the person who may have been raped wanted his opinion. Shouldn't the victim's desire to seek counsel come before your desire to censor this pastor's opinion? Does the person desiring help not have the right to speak to whom they want because of your belief that women have rights?
For me, as a guy, this is where a woman's right could come into play. I don't like abortion. But I can understand a woman's dilemma when rape is the result of that pregnancy. However, I would say, if the woman does not want the child but will opt to deliver and give the child to a family who will accept it, then that would be a much better alternative than abortion. But if a woman runs around and gets pregnant, she should face the concequences of her actions! I allow ZERO excuse for that.
Until you are raped and get pregnant as a result of said rape, please shut up and sit down. NO ONE except the person carrying that pregnancy has the right to decide what to do with it.
Fuck him, and his typical, white, cisgendered male opinion. Let’s not forget how traumatizing the rape was. Yea, you’re such a saint for helping us poor weak, virginal womenfolk. Clearly, though, you’re fine with reminding the pregnant person by convincing her to carry out that pregnancy, and then give birth to a child she didn’t ask for, wasn’t prepared for, and may not even be able to take care of. People like the guy in this video make me want to blow chunks all over my keyboard. Fuck you.
@GamerShifty You should calm down. If a woman is raped, then in my opinion she has the right to choose. Now an alternative would be for her to carry the pregnancy and give the child to a foster home that would take that child in. But, as I said,I do understand that when it comes to rape, a woman did not ask for it, and I would allow her right for her to choose, on this alone. However, I feel that there could be alternatives.
@Mirewood That's nice. I don't know the bible really at all well. I think you missed my original point. It was a reply to turtlelackie who claimed that Driscoll is what real Christians are like ie: not homophobic, when Driscoll himself has stated that there can be no marriage between gays, therefore making resulting relationship aspects (such as sex) a sin. So, sorry, but I still don't see the relevance to my argument which was simply stating that Driscoll was a bad example for their point.
Of course abortion is not wrong, for whatever reason let alone being pregnant from a rape attack. Put the word Pastor or Reverend in front of a person's name and in the free west that person can get away with any crime. Priests of religion make their living from telling lies to people. Do not be led blindly from those who cannot give evidence for their beliefs, do not wish to be a slave to some non existent sky god.
@SoldierOfChrist110 w2ell, with you being an atheist you have the morality of a animal, therefore you have no problem with murdering babies." You have just proven my point when I say that religion makes people say and do stupid things as well as doing bad things.
@SoldierOfChrist110 There is not one moral act that a Christian can do, that an atheist cannot do. However if you want a normally good & kind person to commit murder, then give that person religion. Man kills most joyfully in the belief of his god.
@roac7777 "There is not one moral act that a Christian can do, that an atheist cannot do."
Ah ha, but just because atheists know right from wrong doesn't mean they will choose to do what is right. Once an atheist deludes himself into thinking he is just a highly developed baboon, he can justify anything he wants. This is why it's usually the atheists who support abortions, sexual perversion, unforgiveness etc.
@SoldierOfChrist110 You have avoided my previous statement: There is not one moral act that a Christian does, that an atheist does not do. Many religious people are in favour of abortion, many religious people are sexually perverse, think of the Catholic priests who molested children. Also atheists are individuals just like everyone else, we all have different thoughts on various subjects.
We atheists are like cats, we cannot be herded, we are too intelligent for that.
@roac7777 I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about Biblical Christianity. The crusades might have killed in the name of God, but they acted like atheists. An atheist is someone who believes he is just a highly developed animal--the survival of the fittest, therefore he has no absolute moral code. The reality of neglecting the teachings of Jesus has resulted in an increase in evil in the world. Atheism is worse than the black death.
@SoldierOfChrist110 You are talking absolute nonsense. The Crusades were started by Pope Urban 2nd. The crusaders were devout Christians and they murdered, raped and fought to the death in the belief of their god. There are good & bad atheists, there are good and bad believers of their god, however if you want normally good & kind people to commit atrocities then give them religion and belief in a god.
@roac7777 I know with you being an atheist you can't help but spout ignorant lies, so let me refute you. Time and time again atheists lie by claiming the crusades were Christians, but they never prove from the New Testament that the crusades were following the commandments of Jesus. The crusades acted like barbaric animals, and if atheists believe that humans are really animals, then what right do atheists have to condemn what the crusades did?
@SoldierOfChrist110 Additional: You are an immoral crusader. Crusaders are psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
@SoldierOfChrist110 The Bible has been around along time, that does not mean it is good for humanity. The flu virus, smallpox and leprosy has also been around for a long time.
Abortion is wrong in Jehovah God's eyes. The baby can be raised by his or her mother and or family, or be adopted by another family. That would not be wrong.
Refer to Psalm 139:16 Job 3:3 No, it does not say in the Bible "Abortion is wrong", but it does say that we should not murder. In fact, that is one of the ten commandment. And no matter how you justify abortion, it is murder. I can directly relate to this. I did not murder my daughter, who is now one of the loves of my life.
This man is highly intelligent. He knows what he is doing well enough to avoid traps, as demonstrated by these Q&A sessions.
If you don't like what he is preaching, then don't attack him. Challenge what he says. Maybe you're right. Maybe he's right. You don't prove your point acting like the average YouTube troll.
You know, I wasn't very big on MD or MHC when I first saw him. I'm not a Christian by belief, so naturally I disagreed with his assertion that young women should have to carry a fetus resulting from rape to term.
I will say, he is intelligent, and has some very bright ideas. He also calls out false Christians when he sees them, which I find to be admirable. There are an awful lot of false Christians in America.
wtf yes i reackon nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rape resulted in pregnacy she wouldnt want a baby from the father who raped her i got raped and got an abortion and i reackon you shouldnt have to keep a baby as a result of that horrible rape seriously wtf!!!!!!!!!
What makes rape illegal, body autonomy (a person's right to control what happens to their own body) what makes abortion legal, body autonomy. You take away a woman's right to an abortion, you take away her body autonomy thus you condone and effectively legalize rape. Punish the rapist, don't punish the victim.
@bubbsyg Your argument is faulty, because when we speak of body autonomy the child has the same right. The child has body autonomy just as the mother does and to take that away is illegal. So the very argument you presented about why abortion should be legal actually is an argument for why it should be illegal. I understand that there are good arguments to both sides, but this is not one of them, it is faulty logic that goes back against itself.
Yes a child has body autonomy, but a zygote does not. The right to body autonomy begins once the child has left the mother and no longer relies on her for it's survival. I am not pro abortion, if there was never another abortion again I would be as happy as anyone but it does need to stay legal because women need to be able to decided what they wish to do with their bodies as they are fully self reliant human beings. A zygote cannot over-rule a woman's right to body autonomy.
I am a survivor of rape more than once. After consulting with numerous professionals, they have always told me that pregnancies as a result of rape are much lower than in a marriage relationship. That is not to say that it cannot happen, because it does - just not as common as pro-choice advocates claim.
Personally speaking, life is a life - and that's my opinion. If you can't handle it, that's tough!! To punish an unborn child because of rape is not the answer. There's always adoption.
@MyFreedomChannel If a life is a life, I assume you are a vegan, and don't take anti-bacterial medication or use anti-bacterial soap, bug spray, or fly swatter, to name a few?
@bttrflykiss7701 The comment about anti-bacterial soap, bug spray, etc ... those have nothing to do with the topic of the video! You compare human life to anti-bacterial hand soap, medication and a fly swatter?? THAT'S STUPID!!! You're just playing mind/word games with me to make yourself feel superior over anyone who doesn't agree with your "elitist" opinions! If you don't like my point of view, that's too bad! Cry me a river!
@MyFreedomChannel Wasn't replying to the video, I was replying to your statement "a life is a life"... and it's not playing word games, it's actually the crux of the issue. Now I wasn't immature and rude with you, so tone it down a little?
@MyFreedomChannel amen. do not kill the child due to the father's ill will. even if you don't want the child, there is someone out there who will love them generously. adoption, not abortion.
@MyFreedomChannel Nobody told me of adoption when I was young & a rape resulted in pregnancy- the doctor couldn't wait to abort, as I was homeless in a hostel, as my previous landlord was the rapist & I'd no family back up
In this "pro-choice womens lib" brainwashed death-cult world where abortion is seen as 'normal'; if Id had any clue about the deep effects on all concerned of abortion & known more to demand life regardless, & let baby be adopted- I would have. All i knew was fear.
@IdaSputum Why are you taking what I said nearly a year ago so personally? My comment wasn't directed at you. I'm so sorry you had to go through that; but the reason why you did was because of the abortion "industry." Of course you were afraid, and I can only imagine how much. These people don't care about anyone but killing babies, especially those who are a result of rape. And the fear you speak of - they depend on young peoples' fears (continued).
@IdaSputum (continued) You mentioned that "all you knew was fear." These people depend on young girls who are in similar situations like yours, and they play on those fears to convince them that abortion is the only way out. They deny a woman's right to choose adoption because they refuse to talk about it as another alternative. That's why they're abortionists. Again, I'm very sorry for your loss; but please don't take my comment as a personal attack. It wasn't meant to be.
@MyFreedomChannel Thank you. As it's a public forum & comments remain without time constraints, I responded to a statement, (which happened to be yours), not through seeing it as a personal attack but simply to voice a point of view that hasn't been represented; as there must be 1000s like me who feel sorrowful at being press-ganged by a Satanic system into committing a terrible act
So I felt the need to speak out for any youngsters reading, or anyone like me, so they'd know they were not alone.
@IdaSputum You're welcome! Just remember one thing ... God loves you, as He loves all his children. That's why we have forgiveness, mercy and grace through Jesus Christ and his atonement for our sins. We just have to call on his name as the Savior and ask for it (forgiveness).
@hunter7754 It most certainly is my business; that's my taxes paying for abortions! You are right on one point, & I'll say it this way: God gave all of us all free will to decide our path. But - if a woman/young girl is raped & ends up pregnant (it is very rare that this happens), we should give that person all the love & support & information she needs to make an informed choice. I hope she would choose life & adoption rather than the unborn child be another victim.
If you were the victims friend, i can see you meaning well and wanting to help but its the victims choice and hers alone,
so in no way should you give any1 crap about getting an abortion
also what about the situation where that young 13 year old girl got raped and she tried to commit suicide and ended getting injured and the only way they could treat her serious injury was if she got an abortion?
@hunter7754 You're speaking of extreme cases here - not just some 13 yr old girl going to (un)Planned Parenthood off the street begging for an abortion. One has nothing to do with the other. I do believe that there are some cases where an abortion is needed, but very few ... i.e. tubal pregnancy, placenta previa/abruptia where in cases like these, the mother would surely bleed to death. (continued)
@hunter7754 (Pt 2) Again, pregnancies that happen as a result of rape are very rare, & nearly all of them are physically healthy babies. If a 13 yr old girl attempted to hurt herself & her unborn child on purpose, the responsibility falls on the parents to intervene. Period! Stop with the "What-If" mind game here. Back up your claim with some facts, not b.s. like this.
there was a 13 year old peruvian girl that got raped and wanted an abortion to treat her injuries because that was the only way she could get treated or else the injuries would be fatal..
unless you actually have given birth to a child resulting from rape then dont even talk
@hunter7754 This actually happened? Prove it!! Show me the title I should look for online, and then I'll look for it. Otherwise, do NOT tell me to stop talking about my opinions!!
i define homopob as someone that hates homos. not someone that just doesnt support it
He not homophobic if you saying he is. Because it true homosexuality is a sin because its fornication no matter what. Because you can’t get married as 2 homosexuals in God eyes. Its not homophobic. Homophobia is do you stop homos from walking in your house, no does he talk to homo Yes, does he welcome homos to Christ yes, does he hate homos no. does he say what they doing is wrong yes.
@turtlelackie Mark Driscoll states that sex outside of marriage is a sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman, therefore making homosexuality a sin.
Amen to that. I go to Oregon State and today a man with a Bible in hand was standing in front of the library and yelling about how everyone there was going to Hell. It tore my up inside because some of those people will never hear the true message of Christianity. I wish I could have explained the truth to those people. Jesus sacrificed for all people. No one man is more worthy than the next.
Not only is the pregnancy unwanted, but forced. Of course it is solely and completely up to her. If it was one of your friends she'd be right to show you the door if you tried to moralise. You honestly want to prolong the impact of a rape to last 20 years for someone who maybe didn't even want children to begin with?
@AngryActivist45 I feel sorry for you.Sadly you don't want to admit that what you did hurt YOU!That's why you are so angry looking for places to vent.I know 4 women who aborted a rape child & have been suicidal.It's our business when people like me are on the death list of people like you.My mother was smart enough to know I was NOT her body! Your abortion didn't unrape you.Now there are 2 victims but you're still living. I hope you have help when you realize one day what you really did.
@H0tkebab Yes, but men are a part of this too. Boys are being aborted and men lose their children to abortion. Don't make the mistake of thinking that abortion is exclusively a woman's issue.
Oh, for sure! I totally agree with you, fathers are just as important as mothers and are just as affected. However, this isn't about a wife or girlfriend going off and having an abortion behind her partners back, this is about abortion from the result of rape.
Wow - and they call it Mars Hill church? That made up story where Paul gives a very unphilosophical argument and they all just believe! just like that. silliness. Sillier even to believe such a concocted story. And, with this pretension, as I show below, he omits all the difficulties with such a topic - what, he didn't think of them? that's worse than omitting them. Not very philosophical Mr. Mars! Definitely not spiritual or ethical.
Then he tells any woman out there dealing with this horrible thing to "come talk to ME tonight, let ME love you, let ME see what you need..." Is this guy related to Jim Jones? Basically he's saying, "Hey, your in a vulnerable emotional state - let me manipulate you!"
This guy is the antithesis of love. I wouldn't take a corn dog from him.
He gives one rare story of some guy being a pastor "as a result of that rape" while simply omitting all the terrible struggles that would *normally* occur in such a thing. It's deceptive at best, particularly coming from an authority figure. This guy should be in politics.
@yogurtking What struggles would justify killing another human for convenience. People who haven't been there love to talk for people who are there. I know a pastor who was conceived in rape. I know a dr and a lawyer and a worship leader and a med student and an author-need more,go to judamyers(dot) com
Lots of people and mothers and adoptive mother tell you the truth from experience.
If you don't know anyone or haven't done research on people of rape conception please don't talk for us!
The rapist is behind bars. The woman is glibly told by Christians "you can give the baby away!" as if that's the most awesome thing in the world (see above). She keeps it - no support from the father, the stigma of having a rapist father, etc. Amazing how such a loving pastor in this video addresses none of these difficulties! Guess the Holy Spirit wasn't with him that day.
He's definitely full of himself and how "compassionate" and "edgy" he is. Not.
We are often told of the emotional trauma of an abortion but never (never!) is the emotional trauma mentioned, it seems to me, of giving up for adoption, which can be just (if not more so, I would say) damaging.
First, if he has to take 10 minutes to tell us how cool you are, he's probably not.
It's simply amazing to me how myopic Christians tend to be in ethical judgments.
What if the rapist wants custody rights of the child (as not all rapes are reported as such)?
He says that woman in this scenario are in a "terrible ethical dilemma." But he doesn't believe it to be a "dilemma" at all. Which is it? Either he doesn't know English very well or he's deeply manipulative of his flock.
Thank you for knowing that all life is valuable not for the process it was implanted but that it is a life created by God.I was conceived when 8 men raped my mother. She forgave those men after 5 yrs and God healed her. But she never had regrets of giving birth. That is where she found healing. If someone isn't liked because of the evil their father does is it right to kill them. NO one is hunting for the rapists to kill him. Abortion does not unrape a woman. judamyers(dot)com
@AngryActivist45 Your name says it all. Why are you still angry if you killed your child and are happy about it? Yes YOUR child. An innocent child that didn't do anything but end up in a mother that didn't understand that her baby needed her mother. I am sooo sorry that you were violated twice and don't even know it. If we are to mind our own business then why are YOU posting here. I think you protest too much that you don't regret it.
Fantastic. This is a true example for all church leaders on how to present the message of Life from the pulpit...along with love, compassion, and Christ-like stewardship. Well done Pastor Driscoll.
@marcohorowitz8 tell me, is it fair to to child (mother raped or not) to be killed? I understand that a rape is a devastating thing, and I'm terribly sorry that you had to experience it, but i do see it a little bit selfish to put your kids life before your own. I think its wrong. Sorry.
@charlesgomesbr will people stop saying this. A baby resulting from rape is NEVER a victim from rape. Infact he/she is the only being aside from the rapist who benefits rom rape as without he/she wouldnt even exist.
@amyb86uk sorry, I ain't a abortionist, I guess you and @juda4praise misinterpreted me, it's my fault.. I believe he didn't ask to be born, he will suffer from this unplanned birth, but instead of pro-death conclusion that the baby should be killed so he won't suffer (like suicide is the solution for sadness), I say we should love him and God will give him the purpose to move on...
@charlesgomesbr being pro-choice is not “pro-death” or being an “abortionist” Is about the right for the women to choose. Calling these people pro-death or baby killers, is about as effective as me calling you a religious idiot who believes in fairy tails to justify his(or her) anti-womems rights standpoints.
Now Obviously I would never call you this (and this was an example, not intended as my actual thoughts about you)
Insulting another person and twisting their standpoint is not effective
@NightHawkBomber001 I'm not even trying to be effective, you parachute in this conversation... and you know what I mean. Giving the woman to choose if a living being dies or not is giving her power over life. Is not me who twists, is you guys who gives death a cool name: choice.
@charlesgomesbr Thats right, your not trying to be effective, or constructive, your just calling names and casting insults to try and de-moralize the other side of the argument. this is called an Ad hominem attack.
Pro-choice is about letting a pregnant women decide if she wants to carry a child to term or not. As a fetus it is dependant on the mother, there are lots of health risks in pregnancy, there can be social issues, economic factors, etc
@NightHawkBomber001 I'm not even arguing at first place, how can I argue with people who I think are pro-life lol... I was never expecting your comeback..
And yeah, you can justify wharever you want, every child is dependent of his parents, I guess they have the right to choose them to die outside home... parent responsability why If they have social issues, economic factors etc..? The only fair case is when the woman have the risk to die.. but most of the cases is not about this..
@charlesgomesbr You cannot compare two separate issues here. That is dishonest and a flawed emotional ploy.
A living breathing child that a parent has chosen to bring into the world, and raise, has a responsibility. A women who is pregnant against her wishes, who does not have the capability to care for the future child, should not be forced to have them.
@NightHawkBomber001the example fits perfectly. Is breathing that separates who is a living being and who isn't? Finally someone have the solution for the most important question in this issue!
If she really doesn't want the baby, give him for adoption... no need to kill and she can have a healthy pregnancy..
@charlesgomesbr “they have... human rights like the right of life?” --> then your not pro life are you? Your not actually getting around the hypocrisy in the term “pro-life” your Pro-human life.. but then again, your not because your not really valuing the mother.. So your pro human rights? but then again your not giving the rights to the mother. The best you could call yourself (without hypocrisy) is anti-abortion
@NightHawkBomber001 "just so you can take the child away from her and put up for abortion even though there are thousands of kids in that system who need parents? " - Unfortunately its best than kill it.. why we don't kill every homeless man so their social suffering stops?
@charlesgomesbr again your arguing based on your personal beliefs and assumptions. Your not pro life your anti abortion. We’ve established that. What your getting into is what your personal beliefs about “What constitutes a human” are. This is a philosophical issue one that you do not have an answer too.
@NightHawkBomber001 I will stop the spammage, seek for William Craig and Peter Kreeft on this issue... and believe, is not because religious people are involved that the issue is religious, for example fucknoliberals . tumblr isn't a theist, but he is the hardest pro-life I ever see, sorry for calling you numnuts, but I was testing how you guys reacts being at the other side being bullied (I myself was called by atheists dumbass a lot of times...). We can stay healthy divided but respectful...
@charlesgomesbr "I was testing how you guys reacts being at the other side being bullied (I myself was called by atheists dumbass a lot of times...).” --> Arguing and insults from either side is not constructive.
Calling insults and misrepresenting the other side of the issue is childish. You will not accomplish anything this way and it is in no way respectful.
@charlesgomesbr I’ve been arguing for being respectful even with division. How? By looking for commonalities, looking for ways that you can help the situation.
EX. If a girl gets pregnant Don’t call her a baby killer if she wants to have an abortion. Don’t even argue against her decision. Rather, say “If you want to carry the child to term, here is how we can help” Via, church childcare, family building, budgeting, nutrition, workshops.
If you want to make any difference and show that you are respectful of others and want to improve the situation beyond insults and divisions, allow people to make their own choice, but offer help if they want to keep the child.
@charlesgomesbr Do you think that pro’lifers are going to be effective by calling emotionally distraught girls baby killers? or by letting them know that you have programs and resources at their disposal if they want to keep the child.
@charlesgomesbr "human rights” and who decides these? Humans do. Your taking a position based on your bases. What gives you the right to take away the land and resources elephants need to live? Why do humans get the privilege?
@NightHawkBomber001 rights isn't a human construct, you just advocating that government can give rights how they want it, how totalitarian of you... is no wonder why nazis where pro-choice too...
Your animal argument can work both ways.. if a animal kills another, would you sue him? If a animal kills a man, would you sue him too?
But as I said yesterday, figure out for yourself.. be smart and research it..
@charlesgomesbr How nice you insult me by comparing me to nazis? Your an ass
If an animal attacks a human, there will be consequences. If a human attacks a human there will be consequences, not because of some god-given rights, but because we are fortunate enough to live in a society where that behaviour is not ok. If we lived in a different country we may not be so luck
@NightHawkBomber001 yeah, but how you can judge other countries if rights are arbitrary chosen and not born within humans? (I'm not bringing God into this yet)
and you mad? lol nazis we're the pro-choice dream...
@charlesgomesbr The Nazis were anti-chouce. Any current “pro-choice” advocate would say that they are despicable.
"but how you can judge other countries if rights are arbitrary chosen and not born within humans?” - Because as a social species we cannot adequately function in this day and age without the rights we have invented. This may change in time, but not right now
@NightHawkBomber001 nope, nazis give permission to every mother to abortion, some are forced, but not all of them.. Hitler give permission to abort in nearly every circunstance... even if the mother feels stressed!
Totalitarian is giving government the power to do these things as they please... give up your dicionary and look for one of politics... don't make me call you numnuts again... first I was just kidding, now you're almost deserving..
totalitarian - of or relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience (prepared to obey others unquestioningly) to the state.
dictatorial - having or showing a tendency to tell people what to do in an autocratic (not taking into account a persons wishes or opinions) way
@NightHawkBomber001 so let me go man, stop insisting arguing with me... I said it yesterday: research yourself... or go to cuba to help Fidel promote freedom of speech to journalists like Pacheco..
The nazis believed in Eugenics (Eugenics – the study of the hereditary improvement of the human race via selective breeding) Hence their cull on what they considered undesirable peoples. This included forced abortions and forced sterilizations. No choice involved.
The Nazi’s were disgusting people. and You have the Gaul to try and compare them to me. “Ass” is not an adequate description of you, your a despicable child
@charlesgomesbr "rights isn't a human construct” --> prove it? why aren’t all rights shared? I’m not advocating the government taking away rights. In fact I think human rights are a great idea. But it is still something mankind invented.
@NightHawkBomber001 is in your constitution, they're self evident and discovered in nature like the need to life and the means to survive (property). They are born with us... not created by your minds. They exists even if governments say they don't because they are a reality.
@charlesgomesbr It is evidence that as a social species, the best means of survival are to create certain rights the protect individuals so that we can function effectilvy as a collective. It is not the only option, but it is currently the best. It is something we created
@NightHawkBomber001 no it isn't created, a lot of societies can "function" very well without certain rights like cuba and his absence of free speech or china and his slaves... you cannot say these abuses of governments are wrong because they have they own way to "function effectively". Rights are not mean to function, they're just there so we have to accept and recognize it...
@charlesgomesbr Cuba actually functions quite nicely. People do speak out against the government, constructive criticism has been encouraged. people who claim that Cuba has no freedom of speech are also unclear on the facts.
Cina, though it is able to function on the global scale, is often criticized for its treatment of workers. This can lead to a withdrawal of consent on part of the workers in form of a revolution. 20$ says you still buy products from china and support it though.
@NightHawkBomber001 lol, didn't work for Pablo Pacheco numnuts! Maybe worked nice for you...
Do you think China cannot handle a bunch of peasants revolting? See what Gadaffi is doing at Lybia... and yes, but I have to say, if they didn't openned their markets, they can go famine, as in URSS and in Mao's rule...who worked very well too...
Maybe one day you open your eyes and see which side your are...
@NightHawkBomber001 if they consent, how you can say it's wrong if it's working? China is getting bigger and stronger. I, by the other side, seeing their rights are taken, can say the government is wrong at doing so, and I can call it...
and if wasn't by international help, Lybia and Egypt would share the same destiny... do not forget too that some people supported mubarak and gadaffi.. so consent can work both ways...
@NightHawkBomber001 yeah, like in sparta, when they throw babies because they are born too weak.. good look creating a happy society without the poor, the weak, the deficient, the old and the sad...
And historically, when societal revolutions happens they got handled (spartacus for example)... you can always make a society happy and still abuse people, see nazism and jews ;)
@charlesgomesbr Yes, I will stand with my statement of you being a child and employing inappropriate insulting tactics to demoralize your opponents and put them in a negative emotional light while being a hypocrite yourself.
IE. Your comparisons of me and Nazis, your implication that my solution would be to kill the week, old, deficient, etc.
Even though I said I “value the quality of life”. ya your kinda an ass. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Your God would be ashamed of you
@NightHawkBomber001 You aren't my opponent numnuts, this isn't a debate... and you can keep your opinion of me to yourself...I'm not even trying to please you, the world isn't atheocentric and atheists aren't the intelectual elite.. there are few honest ones, but you aren't one of them... all these dumb excuses for abortion just to not answer if the fetus is a living being or not show a lot.
I'm even not trying to demoralize you numnuts.. you do a pretty good job yourself..
@NightHawkBomber001 so great you call God into the debate, you love to debate those soft christians do you? They so easy to bully and to impose your worldview.. you can them asses and they apologize because they want to convert you.. I'm not trying to convert you.. this sissy posture is not what God teaches.. look here numnuts: youtu . be / NUwO1i4ImPA
When I call you dumb, I'm trying to wake you up, but you don't..
@NightHawkBomber001 your politness is just a cover up of the diabolical things like destroying a human life. Is like a bandit asking to enter my home and say: "sir, I'm sorry, but you don't have the right to live, please let me kill you" don't ask me to answer politely back or respect pro-choice psychopaths.. there isn't a debate if I have the right to exist or not.. this works for all humans beings..
Mostly atheists think mankind isn't wicked, that they are good persons..devilish ideas...
@charlesgomesbr Pro-choice psychopaths? If the baby cannot survive without the mother you can consider it life support. How can you force anyone to give life support to any human being feeding on them for 9 whole months then force them to undergo torture for that being? If I were to attach a random dying person to you and said "now if you can't cut the chord that is murder" how would you react? It doesn't matter how innocent the being is, I don't think you can force someone to be life support.
@littlemonkey613 there is something called parental responsability you moron, any baby cannot survive without their parents, so you are stupid enough to say that feed that baby and give him home is illegaly forcing them? Your head is a mess, you make the label psychopath a complment..
@littlemonkey613 it shouldn't be forced, right. but at the same time, i don't think it's right. yes it's a terrible situation that you bring up, and i sympathize to whoever has had to do this, but at the same time, to take a life is wrong, because all of God's creation is loved by Him, so therefore has value according to Him, which then means to kill it would be to kill God's beloved.....which means all bad news.
@charlesgomesbr "If she really doesn't want the baby, give him for adoption... no need to kill and she can have a healthy pregnancy.” --> So force a girl to carry the child, have to take the time off of school and or work, bear the economic cost of it, go through the pain, go through the potential social issues, just so you can take the child away from her and put up for abortion even though there are thousands of kids in that system who need parents?
@charlesgomesbr "important question in this issue” --> your not trying to argue what constitutes a life, or else you would not be called pro-life. In fact Your arguing what constitutes a person/human
@charlesgomesbr So many times I see people acting like children as you do on both sides. An effective approach would be to let the church provide child care, family building workshops,etc rather than this “damned if you do and Damed if you don’t approach”
Forcing a women (or girl) to be pregnant and have a child, is imposing your values over hers, and its taking away a large part of her life, putting her health at risk, and she may not be able to support the child.
@NightHawkBomber001 is not about religious values forced upon others numnuts, Is about life, is like saying people can't kill others because you can dissobey a God's commandment.. I would like to see someone converted because they give birth instead...
as every parent in this world don't suffer to bear their children..
@charlesgomesbr No this is about your personal values being forced on others. and your justifying it by trying to demoralize the other side and misrepresent them so they seem like cold hearted evil people. Your approach is dishonest. Your approach only causes divisions.
@NightHawkBomber001 of course we have a division, I'm not a materialist... and is not personal values, Is about recognized values like life.. this isn't about even religion...
1- about animal rights: these rights does't exist. Men aren't animals, men have intrinsic moral value. When a gorilla kills another, he doesn't murder it, when a man kills another... you know...
2- "The right is to choose to have children or not" No, you already have a child inside you, nothing can change that.
and the rest I leave for yourself to find... boobye!
1) actually animal rights and human rights both exist as concepts that humans have invented. Your views of human rights are a societal construct based on where you live and what religion you follow. they are no universally respected. Humans are part of the natural world and are part of the animal kingdom.
2) so you don’t believe a women should have the right to choose if she has a baby or not? and actually something can change it, its called abortion. and frankly miscarriages can happen too.
@NightHawkBomber001 but let give you this just for the lulz, so... a fetus isn't a living being but every primitive form of animal life is? Where this discussion is going?
If a man uses poison to kill someone, the plant would be prosecuted as a accomplice?
@charlesgomesbr No, I’m saying that Technically nearly everything (including things that you kill and harm) are living. Not to argue that its right because pro-life is hypocritical, but to point out that this is not about being Pro-life, but you are arguing about what constitutes a person and what Rights they should have. That is philosophical.
@NightHawkBomber001 lol, you still don't get it! They're called pro-life because the right of human life is in danger numnuts, not because they defend every form of life... these other forms aren't in danger in any way...
You still mad about pro-death don't you? Forget it man, it won't change the debate in any form... the groups already have their names...
@charlesgomesbr Note: if you make it illegal, it will still happen. But it will be less safe, worse conditions and the lives of the mothers will likely be put at huge risk, or even lost.
Wow...Awesome!
k2tal38 4 hours ago
For all the people who say that it's the women's right and that he shouldn't have an opinion, well apparently the person who may have been raped wanted his opinion. Shouldn't the victim's desire to seek counsel come before your desire to censor this pastor's opinion? Does the person desiring help not have the right to speak to whom they want because of your belief that women have rights?
irunyourun 1 month ago
For me, as a guy, this is where a woman's right could come into play. I don't like abortion. But I can understand a woman's dilemma when rape is the result of that pregnancy. However, I would say, if the woman does not want the child but will opt to deliver and give the child to a family who will accept it, then that would be a much better alternative than abortion. But if a woman runs around and gets pregnant, she should face the concequences of her actions! I allow ZERO excuse for that.
AmericanCryer 1 month ago
Tough issue.
Coilingtechcom 1 month ago
Will you ever get pregnant? No? Then you don't get to talk about abortion. Not your body, not your problem.
lilamedusa 2 months ago
Until you are raped and get pregnant as a result of said rape, please shut up and sit down. NO ONE except the person carrying that pregnancy has the right to decide what to do with it.
Namarie88 2 months ago 2
Fuck him, and his typical, white, cisgendered male opinion. Let’s not forget how traumatizing the rape was. Yea, you’re such a saint for helping us poor weak, virginal womenfolk. Clearly, though, you’re fine with reminding the pregnant person by convincing her to carry out that pregnancy, and then give birth to a child she didn’t ask for, wasn’t prepared for, and may not even be able to take care of. People like the guy in this video make me want to blow chunks all over my keyboard. Fuck you.
GamerShifty 2 months ago
@GamerShifty You should calm down. If a woman is raped, then in my opinion she has the right to choose. Now an alternative would be for her to carry the pregnancy and give the child to a foster home that would take that child in. But, as I said,I do understand that when it comes to rape, a woman did not ask for it, and I would allow her right for her to choose, on this alone. However, I feel that there could be alternatives.
AmericanCryer 1 month ago
Very well stated, Pastor Mark
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@Mirewood That's nice. I don't know the bible really at all well. I think you missed my original point. It was a reply to turtlelackie who claimed that Driscoll is what real Christians are like ie: not homophobic, when Driscoll himself has stated that there can be no marriage between gays, therefore making resulting relationship aspects (such as sex) a sin. So, sorry, but I still don't see the relevance to my argument which was simply stating that Driscoll was a bad example for their point.
DayITL 3 months ago
@Mirewood I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.
DayITL 3 months ago
Of course abortion is not wrong, for whatever reason let alone being pregnant from a rape attack. Put the word Pastor or Reverend in front of a person's name and in the free west that person can get away with any crime. Priests of religion make their living from telling lies to people. Do not be led blindly from those who cannot give evidence for their beliefs, do not wish to be a slave to some non existent sky god.
roac7777 3 months ago
@roac7777 Well, with you being an atheist you have the morality of a animal, therefore you have no problem with murdering babies.
SoldierOfChrist110 5 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 w2ell, with you being an atheist you have the morality of a animal, therefore you have no problem with murdering babies." You have just proven my point when I say that religion makes people say and do stupid things as well as doing bad things.
roac7777 4 days ago
@roac7777 But my beliefs compel me to forgive and to love everyone. Atheism doesn't teach any morality.
SoldierOfChrist110 4 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 There is not one moral act that a Christian can do, that an atheist cannot do. However if you want a normally good & kind person to commit murder, then give that person religion. Man kills most joyfully in the belief of his god.
roac7777 4 days ago
@roac7777 "There is not one moral act that a Christian can do, that an atheist cannot do."
Ah ha, but just because atheists know right from wrong doesn't mean they will choose to do what is right. Once an atheist deludes himself into thinking he is just a highly developed baboon, he can justify anything he wants. This is why it's usually the atheists who support abortions, sexual perversion, unforgiveness etc.
SoldierOfChrist110 4 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 You have avoided my previous statement: There is not one moral act that a Christian does, that an atheist does not do. Many religious people are in favour of abortion, many religious people are sexually perverse, think of the Catholic priests who molested children. Also atheists are individuals just like everyone else, we all have different thoughts on various subjects.
We atheists are like cats, we cannot be herded, we are too intelligent for that.
roac7777 4 days ago
@roac7777 I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about Biblical Christianity. The crusades might have killed in the name of God, but they acted like atheists. An atheist is someone who believes he is just a highly developed animal--the survival of the fittest, therefore he has no absolute moral code. The reality of neglecting the teachings of Jesus has resulted in an increase in evil in the world. Atheism is worse than the black death.
SoldierOfChrist110 4 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 You are talking absolute nonsense. The Crusades were started by Pope Urban 2nd. The crusaders were devout Christians and they murdered, raped and fought to the death in the belief of their god. There are good & bad atheists, there are good and bad believers of their god, however if you want normally good & kind people to commit atrocities then give them religion and belief in a god.
roac7777 3 days ago
@roac7777 I know with you being an atheist you can't help but spout ignorant lies, so let me refute you. Time and time again atheists lie by claiming the crusades were Christians, but they never prove from the New Testament that the crusades were following the commandments of Jesus. The crusades acted like barbaric animals, and if atheists believe that humans are really animals, then what right do atheists have to condemn what the crusades did?
SoldierOfChrist110 3 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 You strike me as someone whose parents were also his siblings.
roac7777 3 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 Additional: You are an immoral crusader. Crusaders are psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
roac7777 4 days ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 The Bible has been around along time, that does not mean it is good for humanity. The flu virus, smallpox and leprosy has also been around for a long time.
roac7777 4 days ago
watch?v=5kAgCYbcMYk
LOL!
TheMrgoku1985 3 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454 It's a blastocyst. You kill more potential life by eating microwave meals.
Burningmace 4 months ago
and no, God did not cause the rape. So many people probably think this.
jessebelle27 4 months ago
Abortion is wrong in Jehovah God's eyes. The baby can be raised by his or her mother and or family, or be adopted by another family. That would not be wrong.
Refer to Psalm 139:16 Job 3:3 No, it does not say in the Bible "Abortion is wrong", but it does say that we should not murder. In fact, that is one of the ten commandment. And no matter how you justify abortion, it is murder. I can directly relate to this. I did not murder my daughter, who is now one of the loves of my life.
jessebelle27 4 months ago
"Is aborting a pregnancy resulting from rape wrong?"
Lol, no.
MoonLitBirdie 4 months ago
Psalms 137:9... I say it's case to case folks!
stevebuck77 5 months ago
This man is highly intelligent. He knows what he is doing well enough to avoid traps, as demonstrated by these Q&A sessions.
If you don't like what he is preaching, then don't attack him. Challenge what he says. Maybe you're right. Maybe he's right. You don't prove your point acting like the average YouTube troll.
lewanuva567 6 months ago
You know, I wasn't very big on MD or MHC when I first saw him. I'm not a Christian by belief, so naturally I disagreed with his assertion that young women should have to carry a fetus resulting from rape to term.
I will say, he is intelligent, and has some very bright ideas. He also calls out false Christians when he sees them, which I find to be admirable. There are an awful lot of false Christians in America.
ZackisDead 6 months ago
wtf yes i reackon nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rape resulted in pregnacy she wouldnt want a baby from the father who raped her i got raped and got an abortion and i reackon you shouldnt have to keep a baby as a result of that horrible rape seriously wtf!!!!!!!!!
flashdanceluver 7 months ago
One of my favorite preachers, James Robison, was the child of a rape
eleanorkerby 7 months ago
Mark's mother should have aborted him, then we wouldn't have his insane preachings.
marcohorowitz8 7 months ago
1/3 of women in the church are rape victims? I never knew that the number was so high. This truly is disgusting.
This is the one video were I actually like what Mark had to say.
PurpleShades1 7 months ago
What makes rape illegal, body autonomy (a person's right to control what happens to their own body) what makes abortion legal, body autonomy. You take away a woman's right to an abortion, you take away her body autonomy thus you condone and effectively legalize rape. Punish the rapist, don't punish the victim.
bubbsyg 8 months ago
@bubbsyg Your argument is faulty, because when we speak of body autonomy the child has the same right. The child has body autonomy just as the mother does and to take that away is illegal. So the very argument you presented about why abortion should be legal actually is an argument for why it should be illegal. I understand that there are good arguments to both sides, but this is not one of them, it is faulty logic that goes back against itself.
jdadamsify 8 months ago
@jdadamsify
Yes a child has body autonomy, but a zygote does not. The right to body autonomy begins once the child has left the mother and no longer relies on her for it's survival. I am not pro abortion, if there was never another abortion again I would be as happy as anyone but it does need to stay legal because women need to be able to decided what they wish to do with their bodies as they are fully self reliant human beings. A zygote cannot over-rule a woman's right to body autonomy.
bubbsyg 8 months ago
maybe Hitler's mom was raped to! And if she aborted him we wouldn't have to deal with his evil!
dorjevajra 9 months ago
I am a survivor of rape more than once. After consulting with numerous professionals, they have always told me that pregnancies as a result of rape are much lower than in a marriage relationship. That is not to say that it cannot happen, because it does - just not as common as pro-choice advocates claim.
Personally speaking, life is a life - and that's my opinion. If you can't handle it, that's tough!! To punish an unborn child because of rape is not the answer. There's always adoption.
MyFreedomChannel 9 months ago 50
@MyFreedomChannel If a life is a life, I assume you are a vegan, and don't take anti-bacterial medication or use anti-bacterial soap, bug spray, or fly swatter, to name a few?
bttrflykiss7701 7 months ago
@bttrflykiss7701 You know what they say about those who assume???
Think about that before you make another stupid comment. Like I said, if you can't handle my opinion, that's tough!!
For the record ... whether or not I'm a vegan is none of your business, so buzz off!!
MyFreedomChannel 7 months ago
@MyFreedomChannel Why was my comment stupid?
bttrflykiss7701 7 months ago
@bttrflykiss7701 The comment about anti-bacterial soap, bug spray, etc ... those have nothing to do with the topic of the video! You compare human life to anti-bacterial hand soap, medication and a fly swatter?? THAT'S STUPID!!! You're just playing mind/word games with me to make yourself feel superior over anyone who doesn't agree with your "elitist" opinions! If you don't like my point of view, that's too bad! Cry me a river!
MyFreedomChannel 7 months ago
@MyFreedomChannel Wasn't replying to the video, I was replying to your statement "a life is a life"... and it's not playing word games, it's actually the crux of the issue. Now I wasn't immature and rude with you, so tone it down a little?
bttrflykiss7701 7 months ago
@MyFreedomChannel amen. do not kill the child due to the father's ill will. even if you don't want the child, there is someone out there who will love them generously. adoption, not abortion.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@MyFreedomChannel Nobody told me of adoption when I was young & a rape resulted in pregnancy- the doctor couldn't wait to abort, as I was homeless in a hostel, as my previous landlord was the rapist & I'd no family back up
In this "pro-choice womens lib" brainwashed death-cult world where abortion is seen as 'normal'; if Id had any clue about the deep effects on all concerned of abortion & known more to demand life regardless, & let baby be adopted- I would have. All i knew was fear.
Judge not
IdaSputum 2 weeks ago
@IdaSputum Why are you taking what I said nearly a year ago so personally? My comment wasn't directed at you. I'm so sorry you had to go through that; but the reason why you did was because of the abortion "industry." Of course you were afraid, and I can only imagine how much. These people don't care about anyone but killing babies, especially those who are a result of rape. And the fear you speak of - they depend on young peoples' fears (continued).
MyFreedomChannel 2 weeks ago
@IdaSputum (continued) You mentioned that "all you knew was fear." These people depend on young girls who are in similar situations like yours, and they play on those fears to convince them that abortion is the only way out. They deny a woman's right to choose adoption because they refuse to talk about it as another alternative. That's why they're abortionists. Again, I'm very sorry for your loss; but please don't take my comment as a personal attack. It wasn't meant to be.
MyFreedomChannel 2 weeks ago
@MyFreedomChannel Thank you. As it's a public forum & comments remain without time constraints, I responded to a statement, (which happened to be yours), not through seeing it as a personal attack but simply to voice a point of view that hasn't been represented; as there must be 1000s like me who feel sorrowful at being press-ganged by a Satanic system into committing a terrible act
So I felt the need to speak out for any youngsters reading, or anyone like me, so they'd know they were not alone.
IdaSputum 2 weeks ago
@IdaSputum You're welcome! Just remember one thing ... God loves you, as He loves all his children. That's why we have forgiveness, mercy and grace through Jesus Christ and his atonement for our sins. We just have to call on his name as the Savior and ask for it (forgiveness).
MyFreedomChannel 2 weeks ago
@MyFreedomChannel
i respect your opinion.
however i disagree with you a little.
I personally think it is the rape victims choice on whether or not she wants to abort the baby or not.
Im not saying its right but im saying its her choice.
and what i mean by that is that its NOBOBY elses business but her own.
meaning that nobody should give her crap about the final decision she makes
hunter7754 1 week ago
@hunter7754 It most certainly is my business; that's my taxes paying for abortions! You are right on one point, & I'll say it this way: God gave all of us all free will to decide our path. But - if a woman/young girl is raped & ends up pregnant (it is very rare that this happens), we should give that person all the love & support & information she needs to make an informed choice. I hope she would choose life & adoption rather than the unborn child be another victim.
MyFreedomChannel 1 week ago
@MyFreedomChannel
it most certainly is not your business.
If you were the victims friend, i can see you meaning well and wanting to help but its the victims choice and hers alone,
so in no way should you give any1 crap about getting an abortion
also what about the situation where that young 13 year old girl got raped and she tried to commit suicide and ended getting injured and the only way they could treat her serious injury was if she got an abortion?
tell me
hunter7754 1 week ago
@hunter7754 You're speaking of extreme cases here - not just some 13 yr old girl going to (un)Planned Parenthood off the street begging for an abortion. One has nothing to do with the other. I do believe that there are some cases where an abortion is needed, but very few ... i.e. tubal pregnancy, placenta previa/abruptia where in cases like these, the mother would surely bleed to death. (continued)
MyFreedomChannel 1 week ago
@hunter7754 (Pt 2) Again, pregnancies that happen as a result of rape are very rare, & nearly all of them are physically healthy babies. If a 13 yr old girl attempted to hurt herself & her unborn child on purpose, the responsibility falls on the parents to intervene. Period! Stop with the "What-If" mind game here. Back up your claim with some facts, not b.s. like this.
MyFreedomChannel 1 week ago
@MyFreedomChannel
dude its not a what if game...
that actually happened
there was a 13 year old peruvian girl that got raped and wanted an abortion to treat her injuries because that was the only way she could get treated or else the injuries would be fatal..
unless you actually have given birth to a child resulting from rape then dont even talk
hunter7754 1 week ago
@hunter7754 This actually happened? Prove it!! Show me the title I should look for online, and then I'll look for it. Otherwise, do NOT tell me to stop talking about my opinions!!
MyFreedomChannel 1 week ago
this is what real Christians are like, not a bunch of homophobic people who dress up and play church
turtlelackie 9 months ago 39
@turtlelackie ....but he is a homophobe who dressed up and plays church..
littlemonkey613 9 months ago
@littlemonkey613 I don't think he is, I haven't met him in person, but I like his message
turtlelackie 9 months ago
@turtlelackie He's a homophobe...
littlemonkey613 9 months ago
@littlemonkey613 I dont think he is, and if he is, I still agree with him on this particular issue
turtlelackie 9 months ago
@turtlelackie how do you define homophobic, because Pastor mark would be the first to tell you that homosexuality is a sin?
BigG99 4 months ago
@BigG99
i define homopob as someone that hates homos. not someone that just doesnt support it
He not homophobic if you saying he is. Because it true homosexuality is a sin because its fornication no matter what. Because you can’t get married as 2 homosexuals in God eyes. Its not homophobic. Homophobia is do you stop homos from walking in your house, no does he talk to homo Yes, does he welcome homos to Christ yes, does he hate homos no. does he say what they doing is wrong yes.
soMeRandoM670 3 months ago
@turtlelackie Mark Driscoll states that sex outside of marriage is a sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman, therefore making homosexuality a sin.
Check your facts.
DayITL 3 months ago
@turtlelackie
Amen to that. I go to Oregon State and today a man with a Bible in hand was standing in front of the library and yelling about how everyone there was going to Hell. It tore my up inside because some of those people will never hear the true message of Christianity. I wish I could have explained the truth to those people. Jesus sacrificed for all people. No one man is more worthy than the next.
puboxer 3 months ago
This is the bigger no-brainer there is.
Not only is the pregnancy unwanted, but forced. Of course it is solely and completely up to her. If it was one of your friends she'd be right to show you the door if you tried to moralise. You honestly want to prolong the impact of a rape to last 20 years for someone who maybe didn't even want children to begin with?
RagnarFrunck 10 months ago
@AngryActivist45 Wow I think you protest too much for me to believe you and your words show the depth of your hurt!
juda4praise 11 months ago
@AngryActivist45 I feel sorry for you.Sadly you don't want to admit that what you did hurt YOU!That's why you are so angry looking for places to vent.I know 4 women who aborted a rape child & have been suicidal.It's our business when people like me are on the death list of people like you.My mother was smart enough to know I was NOT her body! Your abortion didn't unrape you.Now there are 2 victims but you're still living. I hope you have help when you realize one day what you really did.
juda4praise 11 months ago
@juda4praise
rofl
Syvarris34 11 months ago
I personally thought that this question should of been answered by a female, preferably a mother. This isn't really a man's question...
Otherwise besides that, I agree with Mark and I probably would of said something similar.
H0tkebab 1 year ago
@H0tkebab Yes, but men are a part of this too. Boys are being aborted and men lose their children to abortion. Don't make the mistake of thinking that abortion is exclusively a woman's issue.
0amelia0 1 year ago
@0amelia0
Oh, for sure! I totally agree with you, fathers are just as important as mothers and are just as affected. However, this isn't about a wife or girlfriend going off and having an abortion behind her partners back, this is about abortion from the result of rape.
H0tkebab 1 year ago
@H0tkebab Then it should have been asked to one!
Insaneplanetman 11 months ago
Wow - and they call it Mars Hill church? That made up story where Paul gives a very unphilosophical argument and they all just believe! just like that. silliness. Sillier even to believe such a concocted story. And, with this pretension, as I show below, he omits all the difficulties with such a topic - what, he didn't think of them? that's worse than omitting them. Not very philosophical Mr. Mars! Definitely not spiritual or ethical.
yogurtking 1 year ago
Then he tells any woman out there dealing with this horrible thing to "come talk to ME tonight, let ME love you, let ME see what you need..." Is this guy related to Jim Jones? Basically he's saying, "Hey, your in a vulnerable emotional state - let me manipulate you!"
This guy is the antithesis of love. I wouldn't take a corn dog from him.
yogurtking 1 year ago
He gives one rare story of some guy being a pastor "as a result of that rape" while simply omitting all the terrible struggles that would *normally* occur in such a thing. It's deceptive at best, particularly coming from an authority figure. This guy should be in politics.
yogurtking 1 year ago
@yogurtking What struggles would justify killing another human for convenience. People who haven't been there love to talk for people who are there. I know a pastor who was conceived in rape. I know a dr and a lawyer and a worship leader and a med student and an author-need more,go to judamyers(dot) com
Lots of people and mothers and adoptive mother tell you the truth from experience.
If you don't know anyone or haven't done research on people of rape conception please don't talk for us!
juda4praise 11 months ago
@yogurtking It is far from rare but people like you make it hard for those who have children conceived in rape to speak out.
juda4praise 11 months ago
The rapist is behind bars. The woman is glibly told by Christians "you can give the baby away!" as if that's the most awesome thing in the world (see above). She keeps it - no support from the father, the stigma of having a rapist father, etc. Amazing how such a loving pastor in this video addresses none of these difficulties! Guess the Holy Spirit wasn't with him that day.
yogurtking 1 year ago
@yogurtking Why don't YOU do something about that STIGMA instead of perpetuating it
juda4praise 11 months ago
He's definitely full of himself and how "compassionate" and "edgy" he is. Not.
We are often told of the emotional trauma of an abortion but never (never!) is the emotional trauma mentioned, it seems to me, of giving up for adoption, which can be just (if not more so, I would say) damaging.
yogurtking 1 year ago
First, if he has to take 10 minutes to tell us how cool you are, he's probably not.
It's simply amazing to me how myopic Christians tend to be in ethical judgments.
What if the rapist wants custody rights of the child (as not all rapes are reported as such)?
He says that woman in this scenario are in a "terrible ethical dilemma." But he doesn't believe it to be a "dilemma" at all. Which is it? Either he doesn't know English very well or he's deeply manipulative of his flock.
yogurtking 1 year ago
Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes murder is wrong in case of rape.
dustysusan 1 year ago
Thank you for knowing that all life is valuable not for the process it was implanted but that it is a life created by God.I was conceived when 8 men raped my mother. She forgave those men after 5 yrs and God healed her. But she never had regrets of giving birth. That is where she found healing. If someone isn't liked because of the evil their father does is it right to kill them. NO one is hunting for the rapists to kill him. Abortion does not unrape a woman. judamyers(dot)com
juda4praise 1 year ago 11
@juda4praise
Lmfao
Syvarris34 11 months ago
@Syvarris34 Seems like that's the part of you running your life!
juda4praise 11 months ago
@AngryActivist45 Your name says it all. Why are you still angry if you killed your child and are happy about it? Yes YOUR child. An innocent child that didn't do anything but end up in a mother that didn't understand that her baby needed her mother. I am sooo sorry that you were violated twice and don't even know it. If we are to mind our own business then why are YOU posting here. I think you protest too much that you don't regret it.
juda4praise 1 year ago
Fantastic. This is a true example for all church leaders on how to present the message of Life from the pulpit...along with love, compassion, and Christ-like stewardship. Well done Pastor Driscoll.
livinghopeforlife 1 year ago
I wish his mum had aborted him!!
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
bullshit! he can talk shit all day, he knows nothing of the whole process of having your life destroyed by a rapist, he's not a woman!
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 tell me, is it fair to to child (mother raped or not) to be killed? I understand that a rape is a devastating thing, and I'm terribly sorry that you had to experience it, but i do see it a little bit selfish to put your kids life before your own. I think its wrong. Sorry.
magictruitt 1 year ago
They forget the baby is also a victim of the rape...
charlesgomesbr 1 year ago
@charlesgomesbr yes and in some cases a victim of murder.
juda4praise 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr will people stop saying this. A baby resulting from rape is NEVER a victim from rape. Infact he/she is the only being aside from the rapist who benefits rom rape as without he/she wouldnt even exist.
amyb86uk 11 months ago
@amyb86uk sorry, I ain't a abortionist, I guess you and @juda4praise misinterpreted me, it's my fault.. I believe he didn't ask to be born, he will suffer from this unplanned birth, but instead of pro-death conclusion that the baby should be killed so he won't suffer (like suicide is the solution for sadness), I say we should love him and God will give him the purpose to move on...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr being pro-choice is not “pro-death” or being an “abortionist” Is about the right for the women to choose. Calling these people pro-death or baby killers, is about as effective as me calling you a religious idiot who believes in fairy tails to justify his(or her) anti-womems rights standpoints.
Now Obviously I would never call you this (and this was an example, not intended as my actual thoughts about you)
Insulting another person and twisting their standpoint is not effective
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 I'm not even trying to be effective, you parachute in this conversation... and you know what I mean. Giving the woman to choose if a living being dies or not is giving her power over life. Is not me who twists, is you guys who gives death a cool name: choice.
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Thats right, your not trying to be effective, or constructive, your just calling names and casting insults to try and de-moralize the other side of the argument. this is called an Ad hominem attack.
Pro-choice is about letting a pregnant women decide if she wants to carry a child to term or not. As a fetus it is dependant on the mother, there are lots of health risks in pregnancy, there can be social issues, economic factors, etc
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 I'm not even arguing at first place, how can I argue with people who I think are pro-life lol... I was never expecting your comeback..
And yeah, you can justify wharever you want, every child is dependent of his parents, I guess they have the right to choose them to die outside home... parent responsability why If they have social issues, economic factors etc..? The only fair case is when the woman have the risk to die.. but most of the cases is not about this..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr You cannot compare two separate issues here. That is dishonest and a flawed emotional ploy.
A living breathing child that a parent has chosen to bring into the world, and raise, has a responsibility. A women who is pregnant against her wishes, who does not have the capability to care for the future child, should not be forced to have them.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001the example fits perfectly. Is breathing that separates who is a living being and who isn't? Finally someone have the solution for the most important question in this issue!
If she really doesn't want the baby, give him for adoption... no need to kill and she can have a healthy pregnancy..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr " Is breathing that separates who is a living being” - no.
If you truly pro life, then you shouldn’t be eating plants or animals. They are living too. (see, this can be used against you too)
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 yeah! But they have... human rights like the right of life?
See.. this can be use against you too!
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr “they have... human rights like the right of life?” --> then your not pro life are you? Your not actually getting around the hypocrisy in the term “pro-life” your Pro-human life.. but then again, your not because your not really valuing the mother.. So your pro human rights? but then again your not giving the rights to the mother. The best you could call yourself (without hypocrisy) is anti-abortion
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 the so called rights of the mother doesn't exist.. sorry, but there isn't a right to kill..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr The right is to choose to have children or not, are you arguing against the rights to make that choice?
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 "just so you can take the child away from her and put up for abortion even though there are thousands of kids in that system who need parents? " - Unfortunately its best than kill it.. why we don't kill every homeless man so their social suffering stops?
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr again your arguing based on your personal beliefs and assumptions. Your not pro life your anti abortion. We’ve established that. What your getting into is what your personal beliefs about “What constitutes a human” are. This is a philosophical issue one that you do not have an answer too.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 I will stop the spammage, seek for William Craig and Peter Kreeft on this issue... and believe, is not because religious people are involved that the issue is religious, for example fucknoliberals . tumblr isn't a theist, but he is the hardest pro-life I ever see, sorry for calling you numnuts, but I was testing how you guys reacts being at the other side being bullied (I myself was called by atheists dumbass a lot of times...). We can stay healthy divided but respectful...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr "I was testing how you guys reacts being at the other side being bullied (I myself was called by atheists dumbass a lot of times...).” --> Arguing and insults from either side is not constructive.
Calling insults and misrepresenting the other side of the issue is childish. You will not accomplish anything this way and it is in no way respectful.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr I’ve been arguing for being respectful even with division. How? By looking for commonalities, looking for ways that you can help the situation.
EX. If a girl gets pregnant Don’t call her a baby killer if she wants to have an abortion. Don’t even argue against her decision. Rather, say “If you want to carry the child to term, here is how we can help” Via, church childcare, family building, budgeting, nutrition, workshops.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr
If you want to make any difference and show that you are respectful of others and want to improve the situation beyond insults and divisions, allow people to make their own choice, but offer help if they want to keep the child.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Do you think that pro’lifers are going to be effective by calling emotionally distraught girls baby killers? or by letting them know that you have programs and resources at their disposal if they want to keep the child.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr "human rights” and who decides these? Humans do. Your taking a position based on your bases. What gives you the right to take away the land and resources elephants need to live? Why do humans get the privilege?
so no you can’t use that argument against me.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 rights isn't a human construct, you just advocating that government can give rights how they want it, how totalitarian of you... is no wonder why nazis where pro-choice too...
Your animal argument can work both ways.. if a animal kills another, would you sue him? If a animal kills a man, would you sue him too?
But as I said yesterday, figure out for yourself.. be smart and research it..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr How nice you insult me by comparing me to nazis? Your an ass
If an animal attacks a human, there will be consequences. If a human attacks a human there will be consequences, not because of some god-given rights, but because we are fortunate enough to live in a society where that behaviour is not ok. If we lived in a different country we may not be so luck
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 yeah, but how you can judge other countries if rights are arbitrary chosen and not born within humans? (I'm not bringing God into this yet)
and you mad? lol nazis we're the pro-choice dream...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
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@charlesgomesbr The Nazis were anti-chouce. Any current “pro-choice” advocate would say that they are despicable.
"but how you can judge other countries if rights are arbitrary chosen and not born within humans?” - Because as a social species we cannot adequately function in this day and age without the rights we have invented. This may change in time, but not right now
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr FYI
Totalitarian - Something that is dictating and forces itself on others. It is undemocratic.
Pro choice lets people make the choice for themselves, rather than forcing people into one action (not totalitarianism)
Your stance forces an opinion on them. That it closer to totalitarianism.
Understand the words before you use them
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 nope, nazis give permission to every mother to abortion, some are forced, but not all of them.. Hitler give permission to abort in nearly every circunstance... even if the mother feels stressed!
Totalitarian is giving government the power to do these things as they please... give up your dicionary and look for one of politics... don't make me call you numnuts again... first I was just kidding, now you're almost deserving..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Dictionary:
totalitarian - of or relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience (prepared to obey others unquestioningly) to the state.
dictatorial - having or showing a tendency to tell people what to do in an autocratic (not taking into account a persons wishes or opinions) way
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 lol, the father of fools told ya, numnuts... what's next? wikipedia?
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Father? no. But you are the king of dishonest personal attacks. Your an ass.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 so let me go man, stop insisting arguing with me... I said it yesterday: research yourself... or go to cuba to help Fidel promote freedom of speech to journalists like Pacheco..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr FYI - Nazi’s were not Pro-choice.
The nazis believed in Eugenics (Eugenics – the study of the hereditary improvement of the human race via selective breeding) Hence their cull on what they considered undesirable peoples. This included forced abortions and forced sterilizations. No choice involved.
The Nazi’s were disgusting people. and You have the Gaul to try and compare them to me. “Ass” is not an adequate description of you, your a despicable child
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr "rights isn't a human construct” --> prove it? why aren’t all rights shared? I’m not advocating the government taking away rights. In fact I think human rights are a great idea. But it is still something mankind invented.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 is in your constitution, they're self evident and discovered in nature like the need to life and the means to survive (property). They are born with us... not created by your minds. They exists even if governments say they don't because they are a reality.
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr It is evidence that as a social species, the best means of survival are to create certain rights the protect individuals so that we can function effectilvy as a collective. It is not the only option, but it is currently the best. It is something we created
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 no it isn't created, a lot of societies can "function" very well without certain rights like cuba and his absence of free speech or china and his slaves... you cannot say these abuses of governments are wrong because they have they own way to "function effectively". Rights are not mean to function, they're just there so we have to accept and recognize it...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Cuba actually functions quite nicely. People do speak out against the government, constructive criticism has been encouraged. people who claim that Cuba has no freedom of speech are also unclear on the facts.
Cina, though it is able to function on the global scale, is often criticized for its treatment of workers. This can lead to a withdrawal of consent on part of the workers in form of a revolution. 20$ says you still buy products from china and support it though.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 lol, didn't work for Pablo Pacheco numnuts! Maybe worked nice for you...
Do you think China cannot handle a bunch of peasants revolting? See what Gadaffi is doing at Lybia... and yes, but I have to say, if they didn't openned their markets, they can go famine, as in URSS and in Mao's rule...who worked very well too...
Maybe one day you open your eyes and see which side your are...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Institutions only function because people (subconsciously) give their consent. A revelation in china is possible over time.
If the government is all that there is, and the citizens and army do not support them, citizens win. Look at egypt.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 if they consent, how you can say it's wrong if it's working? China is getting bigger and stronger. I, by the other side, seeing their rights are taken, can say the government is wrong at doing so, and I can call it...
and if wasn't by international help, Lybia and Egypt would share the same destiny... do not forget too that some people supported mubarak and gadaffi.. so consent can work both ways...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Because I value the quality of life.
And historically, when this is not respected societal revolutions happen
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 yeah, like in sparta, when they throw babies because they are born too weak.. good look creating a happy society without the poor, the weak, the deficient, the old and the sad...
And historically, when societal revolutions happens they got handled (spartacus for example)... you can always make a society happy and still abuse people, see nazism and jews ;)
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Yes, I will stand with my statement of you being a child and employing inappropriate insulting tactics to demoralize your opponents and put them in a negative emotional light while being a hypocrite yourself.
IE. Your comparisons of me and Nazis, your implication that my solution would be to kill the week, old, deficient, etc.
Even though I said I “value the quality of life”. ya your kinda an ass. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Your God would be ashamed of you
NightHawkBomber001 10 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 You aren't my opponent numnuts, this isn't a debate... and you can keep your opinion of me to yourself...I'm not even trying to please you, the world isn't atheocentric and atheists aren't the intelectual elite.. there are few honest ones, but you aren't one of them... all these dumb excuses for abortion just to not answer if the fetus is a living being or not show a lot.
I'm even not trying to demoralize you numnuts.. you do a pretty good job yourself..
charlesgomesbr 10 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 so great you call God into the debate, you love to debate those soft christians do you? They so easy to bully and to impose your worldview.. you can them asses and they apologize because they want to convert you.. I'm not trying to convert you.. this sissy posture is not what God teaches.. look here numnuts: youtu . be / NUwO1i4ImPA
When I call you dumb, I'm trying to wake you up, but you don't..
charlesgomesbr 10 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 your politness is just a cover up of the diabolical things like destroying a human life. Is like a bandit asking to enter my home and say: "sir, I'm sorry, but you don't have the right to live, please let me kill you" don't ask me to answer politely back or respect pro-choice psychopaths.. there isn't a debate if I have the right to exist or not.. this works for all humans beings..
Mostly atheists think mankind isn't wicked, that they are good persons..devilish ideas...
charlesgomesbr 10 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Pro-choice psychopaths? If the baby cannot survive without the mother you can consider it life support. How can you force anyone to give life support to any human being feeding on them for 9 whole months then force them to undergo torture for that being? If I were to attach a random dying person to you and said "now if you can't cut the chord that is murder" how would you react? It doesn't matter how innocent the being is, I don't think you can force someone to be life support.
littlemonkey613 9 months ago
@littlemonkey613 *if you cut the chord"
littlemonkey613 9 months ago
@littlemonkey613 there is something called parental responsability you moron, any baby cannot survive without their parents, so you are stupid enough to say that feed that baby and give him home is illegaly forcing them? Your head is a mess, you make the label psychopath a complment..
charlesgomesbr 9 months ago
@littlemonkey613 it shouldn't be forced, right. but at the same time, i don't think it's right. yes it's a terrible situation that you bring up, and i sympathize to whoever has had to do this, but at the same time, to take a life is wrong, because all of God's creation is loved by Him, so therefore has value according to Him, which then means to kill it would be to kill God's beloved.....which means all bad news.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@charlesgomesbr "If she really doesn't want the baby, give him for adoption... no need to kill and she can have a healthy pregnancy.” --> So force a girl to carry the child, have to take the time off of school and or work, bear the economic cost of it, go through the pain, go through the potential social issues, just so you can take the child away from her and put up for abortion even though there are thousands of kids in that system who need parents?
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr "important question in this issue” --> your not trying to argue what constitutes a life, or else you would not be called pro-life. In fact Your arguing what constitutes a person/human
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr So many times I see people acting like children as you do on both sides. An effective approach would be to let the church provide child care, family building workshops,etc rather than this “damned if you do and Damed if you don’t approach”
Forcing a women (or girl) to be pregnant and have a child, is imposing your values over hers, and its taking away a large part of her life, putting her health at risk, and she may not be able to support the child.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 is not about religious values forced upon others numnuts, Is about life, is like saying people can't kill others because you can dissobey a God's commandment.. I would like to see someone converted because they give birth instead...
as every parent in this world don't suffer to bear their children..
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr No this is about your personal values being forced on others. and your justifying it by trying to demoralize the other side and misrepresent them so they seem like cold hearted evil people. Your approach is dishonest. Your approach only causes divisions.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 of course we have a division, I'm not a materialist... and is not personal values, Is about recognized values like life.. this isn't about even religion...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr "not personal values, Is about recognized values like life” -- ok then why are you pro-death in other areas like plants and animals?
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr but I'll finish with your last comments:
1- about animal rights: these rights does't exist. Men aren't animals, men have intrinsic moral value. When a gorilla kills another, he doesn't murder it, when a man kills another... you know...
2- "The right is to choose to have children or not" No, you already have a child inside you, nothing can change that.
and the rest I leave for yourself to find... boobye!
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr
1) actually animal rights and human rights both exist as concepts that humans have invented. Your views of human rights are a societal construct based on where you live and what religion you follow. they are no universally respected. Humans are part of the natural world and are part of the animal kingdom.
We are mammals and our species is homo sapiens
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr
2) so you don’t believe a women should have the right to choose if she has a baby or not? and actually something can change it, its called abortion. and frankly miscarriages can happen too.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 but let give you this just for the lulz, so... a fetus isn't a living being but every primitive form of animal life is? Where this discussion is going?
If a man uses poison to kill someone, the plant would be prosecuted as a accomplice?
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr No, I’m saying that Technically nearly everything (including things that you kill and harm) are living. Not to argue that its right because pro-life is hypocritical, but to point out that this is not about being Pro-life, but you are arguing about what constitutes a person and what Rights they should have. That is philosophical.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 lol, you still don't get it! They're called pro-life because the right of human life is in danger numnuts, not because they defend every form of life... these other forms aren't in danger in any way...
You still mad about pro-death don't you? Forget it man, it won't change the debate in any form... the groups already have their names...
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Then the title is dishonest.
And I’m appalled at your childishness and your insults that use only
Emotional tactics that are dishonest
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 like I care... and after your social melodrama I'm am the one who used emotional tactics lol
charlesgomesbr 11 months ago
@charlesgomesbr Note: if you make it illegal, it will still happen. But it will be less safe, worse conditions and the lives of the mothers will likely be put at huge risk, or even lost.